The Syndicate

I'm VT

im not really comfortable here @Cape90 I'm busy, particularly when people seem to be on. I've also got not shot of surviving today I think

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:05 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 9:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:58 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:03 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 1:47 pm I wanna look at wilgy and falcon most because i think they are coasting the most
This is bad post
I think the wolves are comfortable right now. They aren't vying for elims or anything and they're gonna win the game when everyone sleepwalks into a miskill
Wilgy and Falcon have been coasting all game, even when we elim'd two wolves back-to-back. Your thought process only applies to today. Why?
it doesn't only apply to today. I think wolves have thread control, too
So you think wolves have thread control while putting forward the two people who probably have the least thread control?

Can I get your thoughts on Marmot and Shending?

I'm think that shending is v based on previous meta with him. part of the issue for me is that it's old meta. Wisdom was reading him v, too so I think i'm gonna stick with it

Marmot I think has been towny but I honestly turned a bit of a blind eye to him after the claim

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:58 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:03 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 1:47 pm I wanna look at wilgy and falcon most because i think they are coasting the most
This is bad post
I think the wolves are comfortable right now. They aren't vying for elims or anything and they're gonna win the game when everyone sleepwalks into a miskill
Wilgy and Falcon have been coasting all game, even when we elim'd two wolves back-to-back. Your thought process only applies to today. Why?

it doesn't only apply to today. I think wolves have thread control, too

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 8:03 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Jul 21, 2022 1:47 pm I wanna look at wilgy and falcon most because i think they are coasting the most
This is bad post

I think the wolves are comfortable right now. They aren't vying for elims or anything and they're gonna win the game when everyone sleepwalks into a miskill

I wanna look at wilgy and falcon most because i think they are coasting the most

@Dolby curious about your read on dunya because i dont think she'd posted up to that point

Wisdom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:54 pm TOWN
Marmot
Cape
SS
Sean
------
------
Spacedaisy
Wilgy
Falcon
-------
Dya
Dunya
Sabi
WOLF

why is dunya so low? why is falcon higher?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:46 pm I really don't like how Sabi is in a good spot to snipe

I'll move my vote to them

@dunya did you see my previous question?

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:38 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:03 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:57 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:53 pm I'm fine with dying because yall keep focusing on me and not scum hunting. I don't have the energy to keep defending myself.

When I die, please look into dya and seanize becuase I will flip V.
Did you read my Sean towncase. Comments on why you disagree?
I'm going to reread it
I'm sure sabi is in the middle of making a wall on why my reasons for V reading Sean are wrong

they have 21 minutes to produce ANYTHING today

Wisdom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:35 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 6:34 pm I will never get used to EODs on TS
How slow they are? Yeah it's kinda weird. Not that I have many posts left but I expected more *fire*!

well people just dont care about them the same way they do on MU. people sometimes just dont show at all even if they have posts

I will never get used to EODs on TS

well the second part anyway

so earlier @dunya you wanted to vote me. what changed for you?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:35 pm shending/wilgy never w/w

he calls wilgy ------wigly lol.

i feel like wilgy being cleared off of his push on HK is underestimating w!wilgy, but it's a worry for another day. i like wilgy beyond the usual tinfoil of possible bussing

yes this

them* sorry

Wisdom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:10 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:53 pm I'm fine with dying because yall keep focusing on me and not scum hunting. I don't have the energy to keep defending myself.

When I die, please look into dya and seanize becuase I will flip V.
I don't get it.
No one has mentioned you for like 6 hours.
We've spent a lot of time talking about Dunya/Dya/Falcon/Wilgy.
I'd say a lot of scum hunting has been done.
But as soon as someone sneeze in your direction, you fall flat and go full on AtE?
Why?

(Also why seanize?)

pretty sure because he cased her

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:53 pm I'm fine with dying because yall keep focusing on me and not scum hunting. I don't have the energy to keep defending myself.

When I die, please look into dya and seanize becuase I will flip V.

lmao im not even voting you rn

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:45 pm TOWN:
Seanzie
Shending
Marmot
Wisdom

LIGHT TOWN:
SpaceDaisy
(jack might have occupied here upon looking back especially at later posts like b4 died)

NULL:
DrWigly
falcon

MAFIA I THINK:
dyachei
Sabiplz
dunya

why is falcon null for you? and why is space daisy light town?

Wisdom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:23 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:16 pm
Wisdom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:10 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:03 pm
Wisdom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:00 pm Dya I'd like you to chime in as well, what's your thoughts on Sabi right now?
I also don't remember if you've drawn any conclusion on Dunya yet?
I have dunya in my null pile. I still have her there. I think she's been sort of villagery but she isnt blowing me away with it, which she has in previous games we were both village. And I know she's a good player

sabi i think could be w. But I really think falcon is for his inactivity and i'm not sure that 2 wolves would fake claim PRs on the same team?
I'm a bit perplexed as for why you're so tunneled on falcon being w for his inactivity? Do you know him since beforehand? Is there something indicating he'd only 3 post and peace out as wolf and not as town, that I'm not aware of?
he's been more active in basically every other game I've been in with him

He soft claimed a PR and peaced out

he's done nothing since

I think he's coasting on his claim and I don't really find that villagery at all
I think he's literally unable to play or has forgotten about the game. I strongly doubt he's intentionally coasting on his claim.
Not saying he's town necessarily, just that I don't think his disappearance is alignment indicative.

but in his villager games that i've seen, he's been low posting but still posted.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:33 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:51 pm
Meta case on hk
OK I isoed HK and I have first hand knowledge of mafia HK, wolfsided town HK, and town HK. The whole spectrum of HK. I will compare with his mu games so bear with me.

P#77 (I think I'm formating this correct) has no explanation of his reads. Doesn't expand or go into detail. Town HK and wolfsided town HK (Albert like V briefly) goes into somewhat detail of his reads. He usually just doesn't do townreads but includes other types of reads.

P#78 feels pockety. HK tends to do this in his town meta

P#87 HK when town tries to not ruffle feathers. The fact he keeps butting head with someone he supposedly tr and trying to pocket (which is conflicting from earlier) is not what he does as town.

Him constantly antagonizing her p#100. He does this thing where he twists what someone says to go under their skin. He has done this to me when maf. He loves blaming others for when he incorrectly sr them.

Last part p#124 is HK has their weird expectation where he needs people to do stuff that his brain decided is the only way to do things. That's NAI for him but just want to point that out.

Summery: he's more in his mafia range than not.
[VOTE: sabi] aubergine

You've literally got everything backwards, but ok

I think I've come to the conclusion that this is w/w or w/v. I thought I might be able to narrow it down more but it doesnt feel like it cant be aligned

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:51 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:33 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:10 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:38 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:17 pm wisdom, shending, marmot, and wigly can be town
what's *your* reason for wigly?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:24 am Pleasure to meet you new friends.

Allow me to introduce myself. My name is DrWilgy and I am most definitely a doctor.

I used to claim doctor d1 every game, but have become old and grumpy in my recent age. Have been playing since 2013. Exclusively on the Syndicate since about 2015?

I may be wrong on this assumption, but out of this player cast, Alison and Marmot may have the best capacity and track record for reading me. Though, that may be them getting lucky tossing darts, as many others seem to have inconsistency on determining both my scum and town range.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 11:25 am [VOTE: HK] aubergine is a wolf this game and is to be yeeted at last light.

This is an imperial decree and shall not be revoked.
I like both of these posts. I don't find Wigly being quite this confident in a read this early in a game when he's a wolf
My reason for very lightly V leaning him is that 2nd post too. Why did you like the 1st one?
If Wigly is a wolf and not paired with Alison and/or Marmot that post says "hey, maybe we (alison and/or marmot) should dig deeper into wigly" and I don't think he's the kind of player who wants to draw that kind of attention.

i kind of don't like this from hk? Feels really light for a v read? and I really don't get the last point at all

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 5:17 pm wisdom, shending, marmot, and wigly can be town

and then puts him further up

kind of concerned his read on wilgy is trying to clear another wolf

@Wisdom thoughts?

fwiw, I do think he spewed you v

Wisdom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:10 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:03 pm
Wisdom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:00 pm Dya I'd like you to chime in as well, what's your thoughts on Sabi right now?
I also don't remember if you've drawn any conclusion on Dunya yet?
I have dunya in my null pile. I still have her there. I think she's been sort of villagery but she isnt blowing me away with it, which she has in previous games we were both village. And I know she's a good player

sabi i think could be w. But I really think falcon is for his inactivity and i'm not sure that 2 wolves would fake claim PRs on the same team?
I'm a bit perplexed as for why you're so tunneled on falcon being w for his inactivity? Do you know him since beforehand? Is there something indicating he'd only 3 post and peace out as wolf and not as town, that I'm not aware of?

he's been more active in basically every other game I've been in with him

He soft claimed a PR and peaced out

he's done nothing since

I think he's coasting on his claim and I don't really find that villagery at all

Wisdom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:00 pm Dya I'd like you to chime in as well, what's your thoughts on Sabi right now?
I also don't remember if you've drawn any conclusion on Dunya yet?

I have dunya in my null pile. I still have her there. I think she's been sort of villagery but she isnt blowing me away with it, which she has in previous games we were both village. And I know she's a good player

sabi i think could be w. But I really think falcon is for his inactivity and i'm not sure that 2 wolves would fake claim PRs on the same team?

Wisdom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 3:41 pm Dunya, sorry if I've forgotten but what's been your thoughts on Sabi so far? (I have no idea how close I am to cap but I think we're both closing in sadly!)

16 posts away per nanook's post earlier

be wary, I think that's a mash not a small game that wisdom linked. mash play can be different

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:54 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:36 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:20 pm @Shending_Help can u link me to the direct ISO of your last wolf game pls
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=15229238

As I told Cape earlier tho, I put very very limited time into this mash. 190 ppl and laggy website so not the best game to tryhard and keep one's sanity in.

But that's my only wolf game since coming back (minus turbos)

So you'll prolly have to look back to 2018 if you want another example.

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You can't do search URLs because it won't show up for anyone else. you just need the game thread and to ISO yourself

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:43 pm reading through Shending's iso, he's done a lot of busywork tbh

tbh that's just how he plays

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:38 pm @dyachei why do you lean town on seanzie?

he feels similar to me as he did in the last game I played with him and I kind of agree with his read on sabi

tfw you join a game to play with someone and they're tunneling you as a wolf

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 2:35 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:09 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:14 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:54 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm Yup. Oh well. Anybody get shot? I’m watching JP1 with kids. Arguably irresponsible.
no one died this time
Dya, what are your reads atm?
v
jack
SS/Shending
wilgy

lean v
wisdom
seanzie

null
dunya

Lean w
sabi
falcon

mechanical claims:
falcon maybe
sabi
marmot

How about Cape?
I've liked a couple things from them but not enough to lock them in as anything
doesnt that make them null like me?

yes, but he didnt come to mind when i was making my list

why is your wim down? we have 2 dead wolves on d2 and an elimination to go

FWIW I'm only using meta a bit for SS since mine is a bit outdated. Mostly basing it on how he's approaching this specific game.

but I can say at least in previous games with him, he stuck around and pushed aggressively for his reads as a villager and I think he's doing that this game

I know my opinion means exactly 0 to you wisdom but idont think SS is wolfing here. I think his process has come through pretty fairly in his posts. I also think he's sticking to his reads like he did that one WC game a long time ago

I still think falcon is a wolf. He's trying to coast off his "claim"

I don't really get the dunya wolf reads. Like I think she's null because she hasnt really done a lot yet but wolf reading her seems extreme

Wisdom wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:17 pm Wolves could have had knowledge of NAX being PR though!

you think there's a wolf RC or something?

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 10:14 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:58 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:54 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm Yup. Oh well. Anybody get shot? I’m watching JP1 with kids. Arguably irresponsible.
no one died this time
Dya, what are your reads atm?
v
jack
SS/Shending
wilgy

lean v
wisdom
seanzie

null
dunya

Lean w
sabi
falcon

mechanical claims:
falcon maybe
sabi
marmot

How about Cape?

I've liked a couple things from them but not enough to lock them in as anything

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:54 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm Yup. Oh well. Anybody get shot? I’m watching JP1 with kids. Arguably irresponsible.
no one died this time
Dya, what are your reads atm?

v
jack
SS/Shending
wilgy

lean v
wisdom
seanzie

null
dunya

Lean w
sabi
falcon

mechanical claims:
falcon maybe
sabi
marmot

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 pm Yup. Oh well. Anybody get shot? I’m watching JP1 with kids. Arguably irresponsible.

no one died this time

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:47 pm [VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

can i change my answer?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:45 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:36 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:24 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:19 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 am
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:33 am

Why didn't you add HK to the people you didn't wanna vote, if he's in the same bucket as Alison as a person you think you're better at reading as the game goes on?

What differentiated those 2 people in your mind when you made this list of "i dont wanna vote"?
was HK a lead wagon at that time? I don't recall. But I probably just forgot to include HK because I literally pointed out I get better at reading him as time goes on.

Seanzie and dunya are very strong players so I wanted to give them the benefit of doubt. You and NAA I was villa reading
I'm fairly certain we've only played together once, and in that game I was misyeeted on D1. Where does this perspective on me come from?
pretty sure I was a wolf that game that was worried about you. I have a high estimation of your game from it
I don't think we interacted much at all that game. I didn't scumread you, and players new to me that don't ping me, I usually ignore because I find it easier to hunt when there are less players on my mind.
I didnt need to interact with you that game to think you were a threat?
Do you think I'm a threat now (in particular a threat to you, not just to mafia in general)?

no,i think you're a stronger player

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:24 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:19 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 am
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:33 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:35 am
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:34 am So Axe V lean, me V lean, wisdom W lean

Is that all you have so far dya?

No thoughts at all bout Sabi / HK / Sean / Alison?
I'm not the best reader of sabi so holding off there for now. HK i usually get better at reading as time goes on. Same with alison

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:17 pm i dont want to vote seanzie, dunya, alison, SS or NAA today. who does that leave?
Why didn't you add HK to the people you didn't wanna vote, if he's in the same bucket as Alison as a person you think you're better at reading as the game goes on?

What differentiated those 2 people in your mind when you made this list of "i dont wanna vote"?
was HK a lead wagon at that time? I don't recall. But I probably just forgot to include HK because I literally pointed out I get better at reading him as time goes on.

Seanzie and dunya are very strong players so I wanted to give them the benefit of doubt. You and NAA I was villa reading
I'm fairly certain we've only played together once, and in that game I was misyeeted on D1. Where does this perspective on me come from?
pretty sure I was a wolf that game that was worried about you. I have a high estimation of your game from it
I don't think we interacted much at all that game. I didn't scumread you, and players new to me that don't ping me, I usually ignore because I find it easier to hunt when there are less players on my mind.

I didnt need to interact with you that game to think you were a threat?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:19 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:34 am
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:33 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:35 am
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:34 am So Axe V lean, me V lean, wisdom W lean

Is that all you have so far dya?

No thoughts at all bout Sabi / HK / Sean / Alison?
I'm not the best reader of sabi so holding off there for now. HK i usually get better at reading as time goes on. Same with alison

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:17 pm i dont want to vote seanzie, dunya, alison, SS or NAA today. who does that leave?
Why didn't you add HK to the people you didn't wanna vote, if he's in the same bucket as Alison as a person you think you're better at reading as the game goes on?

What differentiated those 2 people in your mind when you made this list of "i dont wanna vote"?
was HK a lead wagon at that time? I don't recall. But I probably just forgot to include HK because I literally pointed out I get better at reading him as time goes on.

Seanzie and dunya are very strong players so I wanted to give them the benefit of doubt. You and NAA I was villa reading
I'm fairly certain we've only played together once, and in that game I was misyeeted on D1. Where does this perspective on me come from?

pretty sure I was a wolf that game that was worried about you. I have a high estimation of your game from it

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:55 pm [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

this vote confuses me dunia. wanna talk about it?

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:43 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:39 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:34 pm also dunya, why is your vote still on Alison?
i'm still isoing people

dya has three votes and i do not plan to pile on till i feel comfy to be there

falcon hasn't come in and talked, but i feel comfy to be there

somehow i loved it when seanzie took a shot at jack so i need to iso jack, but it felt like, ooooh i like this shot more than i like a shot at dya after i concluded jack may be pocketing them >.>
Jack is still in my PoE, but I kinda like how he seemingly naturally got to basically my exact PoE. He's clearing me/marmot/wisdom/wigly/Cape and has Sean/Sabi as his next towntier. That's basically my exact reads apart from swapping Sean/Wigly places.

But yeah, Dya i haven't felt any kind of process from

I think killing falcon before Dya is acceptable though

---------

@Jackofhearts2005
@falcon45ca
@Spacedaisy

there's like 15 min left if you wanna shoot your ITA shot

i havent had time to solve

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:37 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:57 pm
Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:56 pm
Wisdom wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:53 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:55 pm
This is obviously a motivator soft yes but it's way too obvious and I don't see why he'd do that.
What's a motivator, even?
Clarification: I don't trust the soft because it's too weird. Not sure what that makes of Falcon but I at least don't think he's a motivator.
then we should blast him
also this

feels opportunistic tbh

how is it opportunistic? i've been calling falcon a wolf since d1

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:36 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:06 pm this lack of shots is concerning
think i will just stay on u though for this comment

ITAs are town aligned. it's good for us to be weeding out the POE if nothing else

anyone want 1 (one) screaming baby? i'd like to go through some posts

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:13 pm ive never heard of motivator as a PR fwiw

i've only really seen it on EIMM

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