The Syndicate

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:15 pm If you guys want to articulate concerns about me into something I can respond to, by all means go for it.

Otherwise shush.

If you are town, I don't recall you ever put so much work in overnight, as I think this comes from your scum game more often than not. Maybe that's an inaccurate view though from me?

tbh wilgy thinking radishes is wolfy makes me feel better about radishes ironically

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:16 pmi like this list for the most part

i'm at leaning town on creature and lp at this point, would swap in porscha and.... idk guillo?
I don't think Porscha. Maybe I'm missing something with Guillo and I just think I can read him while I actually can't. I probably haven't payed too much attention to his posts after I decided he was town tbh

Can someone explain why Creature is town?

In his scum game, I seem to recall him pushing a much harder agenda and was a lot stiffer in how he interacted. In the town game I have seen, he just seems detached from everything and that reminds me a little bit of that. It's mainly meta which isn't strong.

Only scummy thing I remember was the marmot interaction I had with him

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:15 pm If you guys want to articulate concerns about me into something I can respond to, by all means go for it.

Otherwise shush.
If you are town, I don't recall you ever put so much work in overnight, as I think this comes from your scum game more often than not. Maybe that's an inaccurate view though from me?
Explained in passing already: I am consciously putting in more effort since it is GoC and it was a big game with cool people and all that. Also because I knew it'd be a mad posting game and I'd fall way behind if I didn't force myself to keep up somewhat.

I didn't actually do much 'work' anyway - just read the NAA thing and pre-typed a single post.

Yeah, just seemed like you had a lot pre-typed posts ready. guess it was just that one and I'm being silly

I will shield creature today if I have to

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:35 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:19 pm tbh wilgy thinking radishes is wolfy makes me feel better about radishes ironically
you suspect wilgy?

he had a wolfy EoD and SoD, though his more recent posts are better

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:41 pm
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:39 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:16 pmi like this list for the most part

i'm at leaning town on creature and lp at this point, would swap in porscha and.... idk guillo?
I don't think Porscha. Maybe I'm missing something with Guillo and I just think I can read him while I actually can't. I probably haven't payed too much attention to his posts after I decided he was town tbh

Can someone explain why Creature is town?
In his scum game, I seem to recall him pushing a much harder agenda and was a lot stiffer in how he interacted. In the town game I have seen, he just seems detached from everything and that reminds me a little bit of that. It's mainly meta which isn't strong.

Only scummy thing I remember was the marmot interaction I had with him
It frustrates me that he doesn't explain why he has the reads he has. This is not something I think is normal for him?
I just tried to explain why Marmot felt wolfy at the time. I'm not very good at translating my feelings into academical words though.

mood

not opposed to killing TSP

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:19 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:16 pm OK but like 112, radish, ilario, JPIC, and Dizzy aren't even like prominently susy people.
I think Ilario / 112 are good players and have been subdued, JPIC and Radish need motivation, Dizzy was a wagon most of yesterday and game state read

I am motivated

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:31 am New subject:
C4 is mafia. Agree or disagree?

Disagree

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:39 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:37 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:31 am New subject:
C4 is mafia. Agree or disagree?
Disagree
Why?

None of his posts felt like it came from agenda or it didn’t feel that way when i was with him in live interaction. Plus meta.

Why do you think he is mafia

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:08 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:06 pm Radishes are you wolfin

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:07 pm wilgy and MR might be wolfing

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:10 pm 112
Creature
DrWilgy
hollowkatt
LinearPoint
sabie12
sig
TonyStarkPrime

Boom. If there's not wolf in here I quit mafia forever. Probably.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:12 pm Radish, are you actually a wolf?
Tell me that's not opportunistic from Dizzy.

I didn't say this last night because I knew people would just go 'omgus' or whatever, but I felt pinged by this sequence last night and felt convinced at least one scummy was helping nudge it. I feel I have been in no way scummy enough to merit a sudden rush of shade like that at SoD, especially not from JPIC/Dizzy who have both towncored with me in the past and should be able to sense town!me.

This may be a good look for JPIC, although equally it's not like his statement came out of nowhere in the context of D1 (Dya mainly, but also a few other comments, had put me into the outer PoE at least already).

Not sure what to say, how you played coming out of today wasn't what I'd expect from a town!radish which is why I was getting weird vibes from you

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:00 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:03 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:01 pm SilverKeith (15)
I understood that reference
Is this a wolf/wolf interaction?

Yes

I might be stubborn on my c4 read though, I just assumed he was town

belzy is still town

Radish sanity check on c4 pls

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:38 am On my morning walk from his to work I was feeling increasingly convinced that TSP is scumming. I don't really remember why now because my short term memory is Swiss cheese, but someone remind me to circle back to this.

Yes

tbh I don't remember any of HK's posts

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:48 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:45 am tbh I don't remember any of HK's posts
This is why I tossed out his name late in D1 tbh.

Then again, based on very limited meta maybe this is towny for him? Maybe.

idk, I'm just casting my mind back to GoC where he was a lot more in your face with his pushes, but here he seems limp and on the sides. Maybe people with more recent experience can confirm if he's just toned it down in general.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:49 am Low key think creature maybe has had the best finger on the pulse of the game in D2 so far, caveat being I haven't fully caught up.

Too bad they think I'm a wolf when I've defended him this phase lol

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:51 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:48 am Unvoting TSP and Sloonei, so for a first time not voting 8 people but 6. I will probably slowly downsize to just a few
Sloonei I agree with, tsp I’m 50/50 on

I think wilgy and hk are town so it would be cool if they won’t get voted out today lol

why do you think hk is town?

Before I went to sleep, Wilgy was improving after a slightly suspicious start. For some reason, my gut is telling me he is a misyeet

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:22 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:47 am i think i agree with the dizzy town reads
hmmmmmmm

It was an admittedly bad read in hindsight

All I remember from sig was his alison derp

Elaborate

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:42 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:39 am Elaborate
You talk about dizzy like…an insane amount lol

A lot of the people you have pushed end up being villagers

You come into the game claiming that radishes is someone you know well and can read well but despite that you don’t really interact with him all that much and he finds you pingy too and between both of you I think he’s more likely to be town

You haven’t had any obvious town moments whereas the last time we played you were a walking towntell

A lot of your takes and posts are just very surface level one liners and it’s missing that nuance which again I saw from you last time

Dizzy and I happened to be in the game thread at a similar time so of course, I'll talk about him more because he is someone I have interacted with the most.

I probably overestimated my ability to read radishes. He gave me pingy vibes from how he started this phase but with how the flips went im comfortoble having him in my town pile.

Who are the people that I have pushed which turned out to be villagers?

It's a big game and haven't really read the majority of the thread compared to the last game which was a bit more chill because of post restrictions. im also terrible at putting down thoughts into words.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:50 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:47 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:42 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:39 am Elaborate
You talk about dizzy like…an insane amount lol

A lot of the people you have pushed end up being villagers

You come into the game claiming that radishes is someone you know well and can read well but despite that you don’t really interact with him all that much and he finds you pingy too and between both of you I think he’s more likely to be town

You haven’t had any obvious town moments whereas the last time we played you were a walking towntell

A lot of your takes and posts are just very surface level one liners and it’s missing that nuance which again I saw from you last time
Dizzy and I happened to be in the game thread at a similar time so of course, I'll talk about him more because he is someone I have interacted with the most.

I probably overestimated my ability to read radishes. He gave me pingy vibes from how he started this phase but with how the flips went im comfortoble having him in my town pile.

Who are the people that I have pushed which turned out to be villagers?

It's a big game and haven't really read the majority of the thread compared to the last game which was a bit more chill because of post restrictions. im also terrible at putting down thoughts into words.
Boknows ender

You pushed creature d1 but changed

You have been shading mr

You pushed wilgy and now I think he’s likely town

I'll give you Bo

Ender i incorrectly placed trust in Dizzy because I had them as a townread.

I have changed on Wilgy, MR and creature (but we don't know their alignment so hardly fair to use them as an example)

I feel my approach to Creature's slot was the towniest thing I have done this game

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:54 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:53 am I feel my approach to Creature's slot was the towniest thing I have done this game
How so?

I initially scumread him for his intereaction with marmot, but there was some point in day 1 when I changed my mind on him when he was getting shade. Day 2 he was getting even more shade and I went out of my way to townshield him. It's level 0 but I could have easily left him to the wolves

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:53 am True, it does involve me doing some preflipping but I also felt like you didn’t really believe in any of those pushes as you were doing them, maybe I’m just confbiased rn

Which trs and srs do you feel strongest about rn?

I feel strongly about Creature and belzy from the non-confirms.

Feel mildly decent about c4, nutella and MR and others that i can't remember from the top of my head.

I don't have any super strong scum reads so far over than im casting my eye at TSP who knows how to read me well and hasn't really made an attempt to solve me as far as I can tell.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:01 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:58 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:53 am True, it does involve me doing some preflipping but I also felt like you didn’t really believe in any of those pushes as you were doing them, maybe I’m just confbiased rn

Which trs and srs do you feel strongest about rn?
I feel strongly about Creature and belzy from the non-confirms.

Feel mildly decent about c4, nutella and MR and others that i can't remember from the top of my head.

I don't have any super strong scum reads so far over than im casting my eye at TSP who knows how to read me well and hasn't really made an attempt to solve me as far as I can tell.

Aighttt Ty for this

Can you elaborate on why u tr those people?

Creature - his detatched doom crying was towny as I recall he did that in the past in his town game. His scum game feels very different here compared to the one I played him on. I think Dizzy sorta shaded him heavily as well iirc, I think I had an interaction with dizzy on that which you can check in my iso

Belzy - I think they were the first one to call dizzy scum? Doubt a partner would bus dizzy that early when they had potential to go very deep imo. There was a derp they had iirc and i remember a post from them on day 1 whcih made me snap townread them.

C4 reminds me of his town game in Yolo's invitational. Do you feel the same way there?

Can someone let me know the confirms so far? It’s just dya and ilario right?

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:10 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:06 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:01 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:58 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:53 am True, it does involve me doing some preflipping but I also felt like you didn’t really believe in any of those pushes as you were doing them, maybe I’m just confbiased rn

Which trs and srs do you feel strongest about rn?
I feel strongly about Creature and belzy from the non-confirms.

Feel mildly decent about c4, nutella and MR and others that i can't remember from the top of my head.

I don't have any super strong scum reads so far over than im casting my eye at TSP who knows how to read me well and hasn't really made an attempt to solve me as far as I can tell.

Aighttt Ty for this

Can you elaborate on why u tr those people?
Creature - his detatched doom crying was towny as I recall he did that in the past in his town game. His scum game feels very different here compared to the one I played him on. I think Dizzy sorta shaded him heavily as well iirc, I think I had an interaction with dizzy on that which you can check in my iso

Belzy - I think they were the first one to call dizzy scum? Doubt a partner would bus dizzy that early when they had potential to go very deep imo. There was a derp they had iirc and i remember a post from them on day 1 whcih made me snap townread them.

C4 reminds me of his town game in Yolo's invitational. Do you feel the same way there?
What do you make of c4 calling you and HK just town, without no further investigation?

C4 can read me very well. Don’t have an issue there.

Not sure what’s going on with his hk read tho

Yeah that’s why i don’t feel as strongly about c4 anymore because a lot of people are voicing concerns about him

Forgot about alexa. Yes she's probably town because she seemed genuinely salty at the people criticising her for shooting alison

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:18 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:55 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:49 pm Dear wolves,

Let’s make this clear so you don’t waste your time: I will not be one of your miselims this game.

You will soon think I could be, of course. Even with the postcap I will likely not be able to keep up with the tryhards on this roster, and I will inevitably be perceived as low-hanging fruit. ‘Marmot will be an easy chop’ you’ll think. ‘Probably a flash wagon candidate.’

But you will be mistaken. You simply won’t be able to mis-elim me. Not this time. I will pull out the WIM when I need to. I have tricks up my sleeves. In fact, save me the energy and just treat this post as an inno child claim. I am for all your intents and purposes untouchable. If you decide you want me out of this game, you will need to spend a kill on me.

It is not your fault you randed wolf, and I am nothing if not sympathetic to an unfortunate rand, so I give you this warning now to help you plan around it. Everyone deserves a fair shot.

In the words of Descartes, ‘I post therefore I am town’. Or, in the words of a more modern philosopher, ‘U Kant touch this’.

Good luck, wolves. Just don’t say I didn’t warn you.
Town
Nanda kore wa

Dizzy can you explain because that post is stunningly NAI

i think unlikely to be w/w/w intereaction

nah, i don't get the c4 scumreads. I read his ISO and it just screamed: THIS GUY IS TOWN.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:40 am
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:49 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:18 pm I need to leave for a few hours but it might be for the rest of the day maybe.

If you are gonna chop me or shoot me, do it today, today is the best day because im not invested, i haven had the time to play here and read all of it. Please don't wait until i get invested in the game to kill me, don't waste my time.

If im not chopped i promise i will keep a watchful eye during the night and try to out some thoughts we can work with tomorrow.
Guillo what happened to this?
I havent had time

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:50 am Reading guillos iso I’m less sure of him being a hit now

He does have some decent moments in it
Reading your ISO it gives me vibes of a wolf who shot another wolf for cred to be honest.

Although it could also be you fearing that im fooling you again like in our last game, so what is it, is your shade thrown at me agenda or guillo fear? Hmm?

Incredibly unlikely

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:58 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:12 am On page 16 or something

Town:
Alexa
Guillo
Sean
Marmot
Belzy
Ilario

This list could probably be longer, but these are the people I care more about.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:20 am We should not chop Marmot D1. He's probably town and in any case his alignment will show, and I'd rather have him around if he's town.
I know marmot is dead, but this shows some heavy team defense going on I could see that being a agreed mafia strategy and definitely think who dizzy pushed to save should be eyed

From the list Dizzy posted, I think only guillo would be under the maybe scum category.

Ilario is incredibly unlikely because he shot dizzy
Alexa is towny and I townread their reaction for the alison shot.
sean is confirmed.
and belzy was heavily scumreading dizzy

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:00 am The list is pretty towny in general, so there weren't a lot of options. I think nutella is gaining scum equity but really probably can't have leveled up her game this much, Mac has standard townie energy, Dya shot a wolf, Belzy has mech. I'm not sure if I agree with your read that wolves are definitely on your wagon but to the extent that there might be wolves there they're almost certainly in these two names

remember that one hydra game

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:04 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:04 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:00 am The list is pretty towny in general, so there weren't a lot of options. I think nutella is gaining scum equity but really probably can't have leveled up her game this much, Mac has standard townie energy, Dya shot a wolf, Belzy has mech. I'm not sure if I agree with your read that wolves are definitely on your wagon but to the extent that there might be wolves there they're almost certainly in these two names
remember that one hydra game
do you think it's the opposite of this

I seem to recall us having a convo in the hydra game when we were debating nutella's slot being scum because of level up, and then we lost. Maybe it's the same here but idk gut still says town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:08 am jpic who are you shielding again

Creature

and maybe c4. possibly belzy too. I'll forgive their vote on me

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:10 am Also just wondering have we discussed or discounted the idea of Miller roles?

Like do we really have this many dead townies or could some be mafia

Doubt the flips are fake

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:10 am Also I'm still lunch candidate Numero uno I see. Why is that?

because you're probs town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:11 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:10 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:08 am jpic who are you shielding again
Creature

and maybe c4. possibly belzy too. I'll forgive their vote on me
ok got it i will believe you and make fun of you when they all flip wolves

Wouldn’t be the first time i make a fool of myself in a mafia game

i just doubt it's as simple as the captain picking the strongest scum players

ok im not completely stupid moving on

do we reckon wolf captain has to decide between choosing players or roles, and if they opt for roles that's when the partial role list is revealed?

I don't think I have heard a single reason for c4 scum. why is c4 scum

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