The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:25 pm I know I'm just the asshole but seriously, multiball assumption tells us that we can't clear players as easily based on scumhunting. I thought everyone agreed on that.

I love Bo's charts, send him to the Championship by all means, but can someone who is clearing Bo in this game for them explain it to me please?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:31 pm Reminder to KC Mafia that you need to shoot Gerhardt Mafia, or you're going to get well over half the hunting focus for the foreseeable future. Good luck.

I'm quite sure they're not that worried.

KZA wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:32 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:21 pm I don't know if I can believe that BoKnows opens a role PM with red lettering and proceeds to do something like this.

That's all it takes? Even if he's on the non-Marmot team?

I feel like this is scum that doesnt want a somewhat choppable player like BK collecting town points

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:16 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:10 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:39 pm I'm going to make some data. Stay tuned might take a while.

It better actually make sense, cuz there's a fine line between playing loose carefree town & playing IDGAF wolf.

Pie charts are coming falcon. This is the best way to make myself useful IMO

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:19 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:15 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:12 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:09 pm In GoC 2019, Ted purposefully went out of his way to hard defend one of our teammates purely for the sake of wifom. ftr

Do you see any similarities in Ted from GoC 2020 though?

I haven't actually looked at Ted in this game.

If you're town it'd be helpful if you did as you recently wolfed with him.

To be honest, we didn’t try at all in this year’s GoC. It was obvious pretty early on that we had no chance. I didn’t pay attention to what ted was doing and I hardly cared about what I was doing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:12 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:09 pm In GoC 2019, Ted purposefully went out of his way to hard defend one of our teammates purely for the sake of wifom. ftr

Do you see any similarities in Ted from GoC 2020 though?

I haven't actually looked at Ted in this game.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 2:09 pm In GoC 2019, Ted purposefully went out of his way to hard defend one of our teammates purely for the sake of wifom. ftr

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:34 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:33 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:29 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:27 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:26 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:21 am Also probably TMI slip.

?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:07 amAll the townies in the thread were excited by the flip and subsequent revelations, and immediately set to work solving...

You think it's TMI to call Mac, Hally, and Jay townies? The people I've been saying are my ride or die townies for the past 50 pages?

This is not a read you believe in? At no point did the thought "Alison is mafia and TMI'd Mac/Hally/Jay as town" cross your mind. You are mafia and you need to be taken out back and shot.

You first, mafia. Either you're mafia going after low-hanging fruit, or you're town who is creating a delightful narrative that pretty much throws out anything you know about me... and I think you're a better town player than that.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:30 am LC pulling up from DEEP

What does that mean? I'm a deep wolf?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:27 am

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:26 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:21 am Also probably TMI slip.

?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 11:07 amAll the townies in the thread were excited by the flip and subsequent revelations, and immediately set to work solving...

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:16 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:15 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:02 am marmot is scummy as town and scummy as maf

Wrong. Marmot was very scummy in GoC and townie in Simple Arsonist/MtG

ok fine marmot maf

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:30 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 5:27 am I keep forgetting nanook is in this game at times tbh

Sounds like a personal problem

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:54 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:48 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:48 pm I think tutuu and spf are both scummy, but I'm having trouble with a world where they're teammates.

why is tutuu scummy? why am i scummy? can you break down both of those reads for me?

Some of your posts I've read I've felt good about the explanations. But there are other posts like this one where you used the word "particularly" more times than necessary, which I didn't like.

There was another thing I saw in your ISO yesterday that I'm forgetting atm.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:10 pm JPIC I hope you know that if ted flips red you are next on the chopping block due to that attempt to clear ted.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:04 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:02 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:00 pm well judging off of that post he's probably mafia

Does a teammate!ted w/ marmot make this post when his teammate is about to die? I remain unconvinced

What would his teammate say in that position?

Marmot was outed, it's not like he can defend him. The truth is too obvious to ignore. He has to admit it.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:00 pm well judging off of that post he's probably mafia

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:47 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

Since he has ZERO votes right now, I'm sure this makes him a lot less nervous

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:45 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:43 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:40 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

Out of all the names marmot could choose he picked Long Con.

w/w possibility

i actually think the opposite

Marmot wasn’t in danger at that point and i always found it weird that he picked LC’s name out of a hat.

LC was supposedly a wagon at some point but i have no recollection of that

LC wasn't a wagon, I just sussed for #reasons and he omgus'd me

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:40 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:37 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

Out of all the names marmot could choose he picked Long Con.

w/w possibility

i actually think the opposite

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:30 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:21 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

LC was irritated as mafia in Bike. But he was also irritated as town in Fallout.

So it's NAI then

Yes, do you suspect him for other things?

I'll iso him soon

Not really other than a weird reaction to Mac's post. I suspect him less than BK and my other scum reads.

The one thing I did like about LC was his clapback to odd with the whole "Im voting for 6/8PM" thing

Can you explain your BK scumread? I don't really get that one.

Spoiler: show

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:58 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:57 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:55 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:53 pm can scum pls tell me they're scum to help me solve the game?

What if you're scum tho

then I'm a fool

what do you mean?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 4:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:59 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:58 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:57 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:55 pm

What if you're scum tho

then I'm a fool

what do you mean?

i agree i think bo scumslipped

[VOTE: boknows] aubergine

die wolf

I find people making posts ‘if the wolves can out themselves to make game easier’ is slightly wolfy.

However, i think it’s hasty to call it a scum slip rn. I just don’t really see the point in his last two posts

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:12 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:38 am Skimmed through Al's ISO and was not impressed. Towards the end he made a giant read list and falcon said something like "it looks like you don't want to lynch anybody", and Al responded by saying he's not confident in his read list. If you're not confident enough in your reads why even bother making a readlist??? It seems like he made a readlist to just make a readlist.

die

- This whole interaction to start with. I didn't think much of it to start with but it just feels like random filler which seems to be a frequency of BK.
- The iso of Al felt random and forced
- his reaction to mac's cop claim was scummy and felt fake

- I don't think point one is necessarily AI. Many players fill the game with fluff and will do it as town.
- I didn't see the Al iso, but I'll look at it.
- I do agree about the Mac cop post thingy. Well sorta. I think that reaction looks more nervous than fake.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:17 pm My list of 9 goes as such, and I will only expand on a player when asked/prompted.


Alison, Al Sam, nanook, tutuu, LC, Marmot, Ted, Michelle TSP

My new list of 9 goes as such, and I will only expand on a player when asked/prompted


Al Sam, nanook, LC, ted, Michelle, TSP, Dom, Odd, Alison

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:43 pm Their obvious self-preservation wagon was Marmot. They were tied.

They voted ted.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:37 pm alison's obviously town for thinking the cc is real which is unfortunate but it's very funny

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 6:27 pm I’ll do larger-scale interaction later. Immediate overconfident assumption is that AL self-preserved to ted instead of his teammate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:39 pm 1) Do we believe that AL_sama is indeed caught up?

2) Do we believe that AL_sama has been catching up?

3) Do we believe that tedxtr is a believable vote?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:25 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:24 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:22 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:21 pm who town reads odd and why? i think his iso is kind of atrocious but i dunno if it’s like... twtbaw or something

Alison has shielded him hard. He's gotten less strong support from Mac, Nanook, Sloonei, and I think a couple others.

@Alison @MacDougall @Sloonei @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME why?

His early Day 0/1 reads were silly and outrageous to the point that I think a wolf would be more conscious about trying to fit in than he was being.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:15 pm oddmerta is the only one in the game who knows al_sama and yet his iso contains no read of al_sama despite them being a consensus suspect

kind of curious

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:00 pm [VOTE: Al] aubergine

This is the best of the current wagons.

Do you genuinely believe Al is the scummiest active wagon or is this self pres?

Also this wording implies there is someone who you'd rather see exed over Al but who isn't an active wagon. Who is it?

If this game happens to be multi-ball, Nanook and spf should be given another look. They were both suspicions I had earlier on before they claimed mason.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:37 pm Anyone want to take a stab at giving a read on this fellow right here?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:26 pm what if i hold my breath? can i have a town read then?

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 4:12 pm it might unironically be a town tell for BK to respond to suspicion with an emoji since he did the same thing in Fallout 2

silly read but potentially valid

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:29 pm [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I wonder what happens if I move here

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:16 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:09 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 3:03 pm Tbh I never quite figured out how to read tutuu. Sometimes she said scummy things, sometimes she said town things. Combining this with how towny Hally looks right now is leaving me feeling pretty assured.

i’m surprised you think i look that villagery. i don’t think i’ve been very obvious so far. why do you think i have?

It's mostly how you jumped right into asking questions and making reads almost immediately. I feel like someone replacing an anti-town role would more likely hang back and gauge the situation before diving right in. Specifically with the kind of thing you did in responding to me: Asking players their reasoning to their reads.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:55 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:50 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:18 pm Does anyone want to hear the most cracked tinfoul theory in the world? It doesn't get more cracked than this unless your name is Justin

Go on then

hehehe

it's an easy one. super wolf team of jjj, mac, sloonei, alison, and ??? running the game. I know that this idea is too crazy to even consider entertaining

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:56 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:56 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:53 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:49 pm @Sloonei i have it on good authority that your tutuu read is wrong

What was tutuu's read on me?

What's your read on me?

Town

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:26 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:14 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:10 pm Based on all these points I don't think Syndicate D1s are lazy or clout based.

i've just quoted 3 of your reasons for wolves and 2 of them contain slanking

It isn't lazy to chop "slankers" when a wealth of rationale has been provided to support the choice by various different people.

It is lazy to decline to chop "slankers" merely because they are "slankers".

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:18 pm Does anyone want to hear the most cracked tinfoul theory in the world? It doesn't get more cracked than this unless your name is Justin

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:06 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 2:01 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 pm There were a couple players I wanted to ISO last night and LC was one of them.

why

I believe he had votes at the time even though he doesn't now.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:49 pm There were a couple players I wanted to ISO last night and LC was one of them.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:45 pm I'm not voting for Long Con today, his efforts look normal and believable.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 am In my experience, Long Con has displayed irritation when suspected either way, but the form of the irritation may be distinct. When he's mafia, the irritation is a more overt kind of rage, like someone railing against an offensive that truly threatens him. When's he's town, the irritation is a more sarcastic dismissal of everyone else, like they and the entire game of Mafia itself are all nonsense that should be treated like nonsense.

I don't know that I see much irritation at this point though.

I don't remember LC being that irritated when he was mafia in MtG

LC was irritated as mafia in Bike. But he was also irritated as town in Fallout.

So it's NAI then

Yes, do you suspect him for other things?

I'll iso him soon

Not really other than a weird reaction to Mac's post. I suspect him less than BK and my other scum reads.

The one thing I did like about LC was his clapback to odd with the whole "Im voting for 6/8PM" thing

Can you explain your BK scumread? I don't really get that one.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:54 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:26 am In my experience, Long Con has displayed irritation when suspected either way, but the form of the irritation may be distinct. When he's mafia, the irritation is a more overt kind of rage, like someone railing against an offensive that truly threatens him. When's he's town, the irritation is a more sarcastic dismissal of everyone else, like they and the entire game of Mafia itself are all nonsense that should be treated like nonsense.

I don't know that I see much irritation at this point though.

I don't remember LC being that irritated when he was mafia in MtG

LC was irritated as mafia in Bike. But he was also irritated as town in Fallout.

So it's NAI then

Yes, do you suspect him for other things?

I'll iso him soon

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:06 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:49 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:08 am Im a cop lol

Ahhh say less

scummy reaction

How lol

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:57 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:40 am LC's and Mac's interaction came across as town-town to me.

Elaborate

When talking it seemed like they were working together and one wasn't trying to undermine the other.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:09 pm come town read me hally

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm wait mac is voting ted and therefore it’s my civic duty to also vote ted

[VOTE: ted] aubergine

what did you do this time?