The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:55 am Haven't read yet, who are we killing?

is your opinion on self-vote and AtE the same as it used to be?

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:50 amNo.

so u have chosen death.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:47 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:41 am i dont buy neon's suggested emotion that she's postcapping herself out of frustration

i heavily scumread her unvoting lucy

she just said how she doesnt want to let lucy bully her out of scumreading her. again

lucy responds with "fuck you"

neon responds with "unvote"

they're both mafia imo

My friendships mean more than a fucking mafia game to me

But like who knows

if you are afraid of losing a friend over scumreading them in a mafia game

i heavily suggest that you rethink whether or not they're a true friend and/or if they're a good friend for you

also lucy is just mafia she's doing the same shit as hedgehog

vote her

i dont buy neon's suggested emotion that she's postcapping herself out of frustration

i heavily scumread her unvoting lucy

she just said how she doesnt want to let lucy bully her out of scumreading her. again

lucy responds with "fuck you"

neon responds with "unvote"

they're both mafia imo

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:35 am Mmmm [VOTE: Sleep] aubergine

105

wolf get back to bussing

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:31 am Yeah, but I would reaaally like an explanation, even if brief/weak [VOTE: lucy] aub

so basically lucy seems to be playing similarly to how she just played a scum game - start off as a town leader giving orders, receive some votes and pressure, resort to ateing and flaming people and stopping to play normally

so im suggesting to put some more votes to her to not let her get away with it easily - last game she was successful in using that method to get rid of the pressure on her

a possible wolf motivation is that since she saw this strategy worked once, she could be trying it again

she could be town, but if she is she should know better. its not helpful to just insult people for scumreading u. its her choice and her fault if she's choosing to lie about being frustrated or whatever, she is a calm person irl. so this is all on her and her choices

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:30 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:25 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:23 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:23 am i’m no longer particularly interested in this game

Yeah me either

last time this happened you do know i pushed 2 wolves and you suspected me and hard pushed wolves

up to you wrt how to play this, you’ve proven you wanted to do everything yourself

No lucy.

Last time this happened you were wolf.

Last time you reacted like I wasn't allowed to have a thought in my fucking head you were a wolf.

In that game you didn't treat me like this.

You don't want me to have independent thought. You want control over me. You have tried to control me multiple games straight. But the way you go about it differs when you are scum v when you are town.

I am allowed to think independent of you. I'm allowed to push you. I should be free to do this without being called shit. Without being treated poorly. Without being AtEd into submission.

facts

im listening to rap rn, it felt so real while reading this

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:27 am I remember thinking tutuu looked towny so I'm choosing to trust them for the time being

could i ask you to put your vote on lucy for now?

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:23 am You should kill me though I'm a woof Bork Bork

on d2 its your turn yeah

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:23 am i’m no longer particularly interested in this game

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine
[VOTE: neon] aubergine[VOTE: lucy] aubergine
[VOTE: neon] aubergine[VOTE: lucy] aubergine
[VOTE: neon] aubergine[VOTE: lucy] aubergine
[VOTE: neon] aubergine[VOTE: lucy] aubergine
[VOTE: neon] aubergine[VOTE: lucy] aubergine
[VOTE: neon] aubergine

im deathtunneled

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:17 am You will kill me weather I'm right or wrong on lucy frankly.

thats just your guilty conscience speaking, i was townreading u earlier

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:15 am See Lucy. When you are pushed as town you shouldn't respond by calling everyone shit and disparaging their play.

Town push town. They don't know each other's alignment. They often push for wrong reasons.

So how does town escape that. They prove that the push is wrong. They don't call other townies shit "be cause I'm town so you suck"

I have zero reason to believe that. You have to prove that. You've refused to do that.

That's wolfy. Which means if you are town you are playing poorly and if you are wolf... well than who cares

you are right and also [VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:11 am That's not even remotely how that reads

i find it suspicious that you're so convinced lucy is mafia that you're already prepared to be frustrated to be accused of bussing her for voting her considering it's so early in the game and she might not even get chopped and she might not even flip mafia (from my pov who doesnt know alignments)

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:09 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:08 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:04 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:03 am ill help u bus neon i gotchu baby girl

Constantly being accused of bussing is frustrating

also i dont believe this

i havent even done this that much

ur mafia with lucy

Yeah but doesn't this happen to Neon in other games too

does it? i dunno

but lucy hasn't flipped yet so wtf?

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:08 am I didn't take things personal.

It is frustrating that as town I am incapable of escaping my wolf meta so even when I get reads right as town it doesn't matter

It's a game state frustration not personal

H-H-H-H-HHOLD UP

u know i havent seen u wolf

wym "get reads right"

i dont know lucy's alignment. she hasnt flipped yet

noone has accused u of bussing too much, i just suggested it a few times

TMI that lucy is mafia?????

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:04 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:03 am ill help u bus neon i gotchu baby girl

Constantly being accused of bussing is frustrating

also i dont believe this

i havent even done this that much

ur mafia with lucy

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:04 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:03 am ill help u bus neon i gotchu baby girl

Constantly being accused of bussing is frustrating

mafia players resist the urge to take something personally for 1 second:

ill help u bus neon i gotchu baby girl

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:59 am omg

yeah i’m gonna sleep but holy crap this is bad faith incarnate

its not

feel free to prove (everyone) wrong by making reads and playing normally tomorrow instead of using emotion and frustration as a crutch

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:55 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:51 am like cmon we both know your logic

i am in my wolf range

question is, how hard is it gonna be to escape my wolf range now?

and shouldn’t you as a player adjust for that considering that it’s gonna be much harder for me to be towny from your perspective

The problem is

I've single handedly won games as wolf since the same things and won again.

People do the same things as wolf all the time. It's subconscious.

Which is why I'm asking you questions. Because I'm seeking to solve for weather you are truthfully frustrated. Or using emotion to manipulate me again.

yes - lucy went from "im the boss" to lowkey "selfvote and ate" in response to getting pressured. again

not that strongly, but she stopped making reads on her own accord, she's just defending herself

that's not townleader stuff. townleaders can handle a few scumreads and continue pushing on (at least the reliable ones). pat pat lucy

so lucy, im interested in hearing about your reads on:

seanzie, sabi, neon

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:43 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:41 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:39 am I want to say seanzie is town because I like their posts, and I also want to say tutuu is towny because I agree with some of her takes and can follow the logic, but then I think that's too many townreads and I wonder where I'm wrong.

fair and sensible. ok u can go back to null u paid for your sins. maybe even slight town lean but i dont wanna stretch myself too thin

porscha
seanzie

lily
dennis

kate

neon
lucy

marinating

What merited moving Kate up a notch whereas I just plain disappeared off the list? Like, I get that I'm posting now but why did Kate change tiers suddenly? You're just more focused on Neon and Lucy?

it was just a gut scumread on kate's opener, she made like 2-3 "hi" posts, it didnt feel right to put her in the same tier w lucy and neon where im trying to do something more, yeah

i felt more strongly about her being wolf than u so thats why u disappeared but i wanted to keep her a bit in a warm color

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:42 am i was actually frustrated

but why?

you acknowledged that people would be having "the fear" about you

why are neon and sabi and crew's treatment of you this game unreasonable? didn't you anticipate them?

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:39 am I want to say seanzie is town because I like their posts, and I also want to say tutuu is towny because I agree with some of her takes and can follow the logic, but then I think that's too many townreads and I wonder where I'm wrong.

fair and sensible. ok u can go back to null u paid for your sins. maybe even slight town lean but i dont wanna stretch myself too thin

porscha
seanzie

lily
dennis

kate

neon
lucy

marinating

in hedgehog lucy flamed neon a lot to pocket her (lucy wolf neon town)

coming into this game, i see similar flame again

i dont see an emotional reaction/explosion from neon's part

if i just towned vs a wolf who bullied me into townreading them, and i see it happening again, id be flipping tables. id be like "how dare you bitch"

i think neon's reaction to lucy's flame this game is pretty tame. i expected something a lot more

i also dont understand why lucy is doing it again considering lucy is a very calm person, and she just did it as a wolf to fool town neon

ergo, im concluding LUCY and NEON both MAFIA

let me think on that for a while

no actually sean is blatantly town imo. his takes are pretty logical

paranoia about me
he was sussed by kate
sensible take on lucy

should be towncore (for me)

if i go by logic, i think neon is town. she'd hidding her town buttons. if i go with gut, she's a wolf who's great at replicating town game. i dunno where to go. ill wait on reading her

i thought lucy is towny but i also think she's lying about being frustrated again. so im holding off until i hear a response as to why

sabi im holding off on explained earlier (damn sorry that im such a pussy)

leaves me with

porscha

lily
dennis
seanzie

windward
kate

those gut scumreads are probably not very good so whatever on them

i thought windward's latests posts are better

hmmm

I meant this one

"In fact... you continue attacking my ability to play mafia and you win again because it's already working. Doubt is already setting in. Mac's recent opinions of my town game are already ringing in my ears. Fuck."

All of neons posts have various degrees of neon specific towntells imo or generally towny

But this reads as fake to me

I dont believe that town neon admits that the doubt/attack "is working"

I dont believe town neon admits "defeat" in any way or context. My impression was that shed do the opposite, i e "keep trying to make me doubt myself but its not gonna work" is something i think shed say

The last two sentences are just feel a bit robotic to me, the tone

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 10:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:41 am

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 7:05 am Well I read the last two pages and have some initial reads I guess
Gonna take a break and read the remaining 3 later

What are your initial reads?

Lily and Porscha both town.
Yeah, I know, not at all novel or interesting reads.
I'm undecided on Lucy because I only read the pages where she mostly fluffposted, which is unfortunate, other than rebutting Porscha's scumread on her. That post looked kinda decent, though, but I'm withholding my judgement until I read more of the thread to see what actually led to Porscha scumreading Lucy.

I gut scumread you but Ive never played with you before

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:24 am holy fuck this is frustrating

Would you lie as town in order to achieve something? For instance Alison utilizes lying about being frustrated as town

I was wondering if you do, since I dont believe you feel frustrated

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:20 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:07 am holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

Possibly because it feels like your more concerned with ripping people down and creating divides rather than solving, which is your wolf modus operandi.

I dont disagree with this and u can have a townread

My honest feelings are that I want to townread Sabi but they pocket me way too easily. Theyre my natural arch-rival. I need to resist and be stern and avoid making a read

I meant the last paragraph

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:20 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:14 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:13 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:07 am holy fuck why is everyone scumreading me

You are a shell of your town self and are replicating things I associate with your scum game.

this read is wrong and based off nothing and i know this because i am town

am i not similar to goc????

You are a copy of Hedgehog... am exact clone.

A game where you used my feelings of self to push me away from a scum read and into a town read because I feared being wrong.

Lucy you simply don't treat me this way when you are town. At least never have you before but maybe you do this now as both alignments. But as I've only experienced you disparaging me whilst trying to direct the thread flow as a wolf why would I not feel that way here?

In fact... you continue attacking my ability to play mafia and you win again because it's already working. Doubt is already setting in. Mac's recent opinions of my town game are already ringing in my ears. Fuck.

I dont trust the emotion in the second paragraph

I townread some neon posts earlier. This one feels scummy. I need to think on it

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:55 am To policy or to vote my biggest scum read...

Hm hm hmmmmmmm.

Why do u wanna policy me for jokingly self-voting?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:58 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 9:57 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:41 am Anyways, re:Tutuu, a game or two ago they weren't being uhh... let's say "bouncy Tutuu" on D1 and got some heat for it, but then later in the game they were bouncy Tutuu and that helped them get townread. As such, mafia!Tutuu would likely try to emulate Bouncy!Tutuu, and so far all the bounciness seems to be just rehashed things they've done in the past few games (like start townreading themselves), and hasn't struck me as the authentic bounciness they can give off.

Note, this isn't really a scumread, just that Tutuu's behavior I think is compatible with Wolf!Tutuu doing meta-replication, so I don't think they should be cleared off it.

Thats fair. I just thought it would be really funny to write everything i wrote earlier. I was laughing uncontrollably while posting

I also found it hilarious. AI? no. Funny? yes.

Awww ily smol baby seanzie-wanzie

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:52 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:41 am Anyways, re:Tutuu, a game or two ago they weren't being uhh... let's say "bouncy Tutuu" on D1 and got some heat for it, but then later in the game they were bouncy Tutuu and that helped them get townread. As such, mafia!Tutuu would likely try to emulate Bouncy!Tutuu, and so far all the bounciness seems to be just rehashed things they've done in the past few games (like start townreading themselves), and hasn't struck me as the authentic bounciness they can give off.

Note, this isn't really a scumread, just that Tutuu's behavior I think is compatible with Wolf!Tutuu doing meta-replication, so I don't think they should be cleared off it.

The thing is tutuu joined the thread after lily and lucy had started their let's ML sabi because they wolfed against them recently and could have easily joined in because after all tutuu has been wrong on me if she was a wolf. Like her neutral stance on me feels towny because it doesn't feel like pocketing behavior

Oh wow thanks ily bae

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:41 am Anyways, re:Tutuu, a game or two ago they weren't being uhh... let's say "bouncy Tutuu" on D1 and got some heat for it, but then later in the game they were bouncy Tutuu and that helped them get townread. As such, mafia!Tutuu would likely try to emulate Bouncy!Tutuu, and so far all the bounciness seems to be just rehashed things they've done in the past few games (like start townreading themselves), and hasn't struck me as the authentic bounciness they can give off.

Note, this isn't really a scumread, just that Tutuu's behavior I think is compatible with Wolf!Tutuu doing meta-replication, so I don't think they should be cleared off it.

Thats fair. I just thought it would be really funny to write everything i wrote earlier. I was laughing uncontrollably while posting

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:32 am

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:21 am @lucy @Lilypetal

Yall said I sounded dead in welcome back invitational

It's almost like my tone is based off my irl feelings and not my alignment.

Shocking I know but I haven't been hype about any mafia game. Look at holes where I randed town. My only town rand in 2023.

I hope North Korea conquers South Korea. No more K pop.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 8:29 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 6:18 am

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:42 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:05 pm Day 1 has begun. You have ~48 hours.

The answer to the poll is obvious Lumi but I can't answer that one. Unacceptable.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:43 am [VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:44 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:07 pm Can you tell I'm popular at school

No I can't lie to you


Zing!

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:48 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Mar 19, 2023 10:12 pm Why image hate me on mobile man. Why

Here idc





Click it

Or dont

I dont care

((I care ))

Ftfy but also stop stealing my gimmick

Neon surely can't keep randing town

I don't think she's Neoning enough

She might be mafia

Explain plox

It was a gut feeling but Im beginning to change my mind now after seeing your other posts. Its marinating right now in my brain fridge

Ok i got it out of my system im back to normal now. That was so towny though holy hell. I should have saved it for a scum rand. Im anticipating becoming LLLLLLOCK TOWN innocent child by everyone soon. It will stroke my ego so much to be on the top of everyones readslists.

Rondo: "woah wtf tutuu obv town"
Wilgy: "holy crap spinning anime girl town"
Seanzie: "wow, ive played mafia for 15 years and ive never seen someone as towny as tutuu"

It will make me feel so good. Get on with it.

looks like tutuu could endure being calm and collected only for so long before unleashing her inner village idiot

the chaos reads as pretty pure and genuine to me

so this further cements my townread on her

hello darkness my old friend

im tired of having my feelings hurt by being called mafia. im not mafia. nobody understands me.

you guys can't possibly understand my problems.

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

I SWEAR IM NOT MAFIA. I WILL LITERALLY SELF-VOTE. GOOD LUCK SOLVING THE GAME WITHOUT ME LOOOOOOL!

U ALL SUCK LMAOOOO!

U BETTER WIN THIS GAME COZ IM NOT HELPING LOOOL

@lucy UR TRASH AT MAFIA LMAOOOOO!!!!

IM NOT PLAYING LOOOOL

wow, now you're pushing it tutuu. it was cute earlier but this gimmick is getting annoying. im seriously considering scumreading you now

its like - u told a funny joke and we laughed. cute. but u keep repeating the joke when its no longer funny. its starting to get stale. can't you read the room temperature? are you actually mafia?

wow tutuu stop being so towny, you're way too loud