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discuss angleshooting and everything involved here

Suggestion for sitewide standard definition of what's angleshooting, OGI, punishment, compensation, etc

Open-ended community discussion. I propose a sitewide standard set of rules that should be applied to all games by default. These rules ought to be linked by every host in their game, both in the sign-up thread and in the OP of the thread. Hosts should have the right to remove/add/change any of these rules, but they need to be explicit and specific.

Please, give your thoughts, suggestions, concerns, etc:

Here are my suggestions:

"Angleshooting" is the act of doing something unsportsmanlike. An angleshot/dirty/OGI read or speculation is something that you have acquired outside from the in-game mafia thread from all the players, in the way the game is supposed to be played, but in another way, outside from the game thread and/or from the host.

-You should not mention that you have angleshooty/OGI reads. You should never mention the word "angleshoot" in a post period. If you attain one, make up another reason to justify the read or speculation, something that's tied to in-game stuff that other people can engage with. If you claim that "I have a dirty read on X and I can't say why" - nobody can engage with this, and I don't believe it's fair. Or rather, it's inconvenient for scum players to have to start saying they have dirty reads from time to time in their repertoaire in order to balance things out. It takes away from the Mafia experience imo if a balanced metagame would be when both factions end up saying they have inexplainable dirty reads from tiem to time. And the mafia can't naturally attain dirty angleshoot reads since they already have TMI. So I think the better variant of balanced metagame is if nobody can talk about it.

-Do not respond to other people mentioning anything regarding angleshooting, because things can have a domino effect. Just alert the mod and pretend the post doesn't exist

-Hosts should not respond to people's posts in the thread. Some hosts can be unintentionally biased to respond to setup related questions to members of the town who genuinely dont understand the setup, but if a member of the mafia tries to fake a derp clear or something, or feign ignorance about setup related thing, the host might be biased because they know that person is feigning the ignorance and forget to respond to it. The host, if they wish to interact with the players in their game, needs to constantly remind themselves that they shouldn't have TMI. I think slip-ups can happen as a result of this, so I don't believe hosts should ever directly respond to posts. If they wish to answer or say anything they should publicly say, without quoting any posts:

"Question: bla bla bla"
"Answer: bla bla bla"

And remind people not to interact with the post.

-The players should not interact with the host ITT in any way. They should not ping them with questions, they should ask privately. The reasoning is that discord is widely used for mafia chats, and a lot of people, i think, find it more convenient to type out a quick question there in wolf chat where they might be spending a lot of time regardless, than to get on the forum and ping the host there. From the way host and player talk ITT it is also possible to generate angleshooty reads. So I believe player/host public communication should be banned.

-Do not refer to mod communication. That's obvious, but:

-When having to refer to mod communication because you have no other choice (for instance, you need to ask the host on clarification on your role): Do not say "I asked tutuu and she told me this and this and that". If you repeatedly casually mention the host and the way you talked to them and what you asked them your tone/your sentence structure can generate OGI reads. Do not say that you asked the host anything. But the biggest part is the timing of you saying this itt. Let's say a scum player dies, and their role PM flips something unexpected. If a player were to say "I just asked tutuu and she told me this and this and that about this scum flip" - then that player is angleshooting themselves as town imo, because mafia are likely to already know the information about this scum flip, and they wouldn't ask the host right now. So that player is town who is angleshooting themselves town, or if they're mafia, they're consciously trying to get themselves townread based off of people thinking that - oh hey, this person asked the host, it means they are town. This whole thing devolves from the Mafia experience, this isn't Mafia.
So instead, you should say "I was told that blah blah blah" - hosts giving clarifications themselves, regardless of whether or not prompted by a question seem more safe to me / I think there is less danger of dirty reads being generated.

-Do not mention ongoing games, do not interact with them in any way shape or form. Even if you're dead in one, if that game is not completed, pretend that it does not exist.

- i got tired of writing, i have more to say about compensation, modkills, etc. just this for now

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:45 am Happy birthday @tutuu!!! I'm sorry we couldn't get a win for your birthday, I hope a screaming marmot will do.

we won marmot <3 <3 <3 <3 <3

i mean for visibility sake everyone needs to see it, not just ppl from this game, so it makes more sense to me to post it on the global channel and also make a thread somewhere on the forum, if i can find a feedback section

i mean for visibility sake everyone needs to see it, not just ppl from this game, so it makes more sense to me to post it on the global channel and also make a thread somewhere on the forum, if i can find a feedback section

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:37 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:36 am i think we should work on some site-wide standard of rules, i will post about it in the mafia channel on the syndicate discord, hop on there and give input

If you want people to see it posting here might be better

i dont mind pinging literally everyone, on discord, on the forum, whatever, before i present my suggestions for a extensive sitewide standard of rules, with specifc posts that are and are not allowed, i want to know if people are cool with having a sitewide standard set of rules in the first place

i think we should work on some site-wide standard of rules, i will post about it in the mafia channel on the syndicate discord, hop on there and give input

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:32 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:30 am

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:29 am ah sick

so pushed 2 wolves and the third one outed at EoD1

outed but was about to win

don't think so

but gj anyway and feel honoured that I was the first push that you tripped over lolz

i very very definitely think so

u were strong!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:31 am Gj tutu you weren’t lying when you said your scum game is terrifying

gg <3

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:29 am *gives tutuu lots of headpats*

You were great as mafia!!! You had me pocketed totally. <3 You deserve lots of commendations for that!

ty!!! <3 <3 <3

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:29 am ah sick

so pushed 2 wolves and the third one outed at EoD1

outed but was about to win

thanx

no im town ur making a huge mistake ted

im town i swear

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:19 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:17 am forgot you're too young to know oblivion

nah I once saw a video about the NPCs being utterly useless and making bad conversation or something dunno

forgot you're too young to know oblivion

ur this smol puppy with birty blonde hair

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:12 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:23 am esooa town means ted and sig are also lock town

wat

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 11:03 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 10:49 am The really sad part is that this isn't even the first doctor getting themselves modkilled out of tilt at being suspected by town after a mafia member successfully faked being doctor and counterclaimed them in endgame I've heard of this year. Thank god I wasn't a part of that second one, but I heard about it.

I had a vanilla townie fake claim doctor in a game I was playing, then getting the real doctor to counter-claim, because he was convinced he was so good at scumhunting that his life was more valuable than the doctor's.

sentence doesn't really make sense to me

yea imma wait to see what the response is

peace

esooa town means ted and sig are also lock town

so wilgy + marmot or wilgy + alison

change of plans?

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

oh boy

your post soft cap is at 213 alison, and even then you can make up to 75 more posts today

and ok cool.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

at least we're all in this cahoot together and u cant all be scum. if this goes wrong it wont be my fault and thats honestly what i care about most

fmpov its best to yeet wilgy and eso since i know im town and i kinda believe im the towniest player itg and the numbers are better (1/3 and then if wrong 1/2) is a better chance than 1/4 and then 1/3 if wrong (ignoring sig and ted's townyness, if any, and just pure number wise) but if the rest of u arent seeing it (my obvious townyness) then i should consider compromising

let me iso ted and sigurd first

i have alison telling me to vote eso
i have ted telling me to vote eso
i have wilgy who's indirectly telling me to vote eso since he's voting her in this trio thunderdome

and yet im not voting eso, i think she's town, im also obvious town myself, you guys figure out this mess

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:57 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:55 am

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:28 am lynch me if you want but guess what, tutuu Alison makes way more sense

wilgy alison does not make sense how?

it does make sense too but I'm kinda leaning towards it being you. Regardless this is why I'm on Alison over a doctor claim rn

but you're also voting me gurl and im starting to feel a bit worried that i have 2 votes on me when in my personal and subjective opinion im the towniest player itg

i guess i could be wrong on alison and she could be scum but why do i have to get dragged with her as her teammate?

this is at @tedxtr too. i have locked town esooa and white knighted her since day 1

i have multiple ppl telling me that i should be voting esooa right now and yet im voting wilgy

i am clearly not pushing the same agenda as alison

idk about alison, maybe shes town, maybe shes scum, but dont yeet my ass because of her wtf

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Dec 04, 2020 6:28 am lynch me if you want but guess what, tutuu Alison makes way more sense

wilgy alison does not make sense how?

@sig @Marmot

whats ur current stance

wilgy voting esooa, esooa voting me, me voting wilgy

marmot the prophet

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 1:11 pm

Spoiler: show

i am literally the only person with a town role PM in this game.

the rest of you, every single one of you, is mafia.

@Alison whenever you have some free time to pop in, if you're town, please make sure to defend yourself and not just say "yeet esooa lol bye"

we have 1 misyeet left before MyLo/LyLo

even if you're town and even if you're right that eso is scum, we aren't gonna win the game if you simply say "i saw eso vent. kill me and then kill her next"

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 7:01 pm I'm not voting for wilgy, I do not care about what ever stupid claim this is

do u think im maf then?

love how alison is still top wagon after almost everyone checked in to the third doc claim

we have 25 hours left i believe

lets start putting those votes on the doc claimants, please

wilgy's goals are beyond our understanding

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm You providing cover? Took that as a possibility. LC's flip makes me now think otherwise. You are either real deal or wolf and there's no in between.

I didn't know Esooa was claimed. Like I said. I saw your pretty gifs and my brain shut down.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:26 pm I didn't know Esooa was claimed

1) entertain the world where ted is town and he's townreading wilgy the most

2) brace myself for the esooa and alison (both members of the town) thunderdome

pick your poison, tutuu. which bottle of cyanide are you drinking first

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:20 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 4:16 pm @DrWilgy why did you not claim yesterday? why are you claiming now?

I figured I'd drop the hint and see what happens with LC. Also didn't want to fall for a tricksy bait and get shot for it. Only realized that I should reveal now due to the number of remaining players.

I'll be first to admit that I'm not smart when it comes to claims or mechanically solving a game.

LC wasn't the only liar from your pov

did you think i was VT providing cover? did you think either me or esooa was scum yesterday?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:29 am I think I'm too smooth brain to understand but I think the spinning anime girl is town so have my vote friendo.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 1:35 am I'm not sure what to think of this. My first thought was "that's a cool gif, wtf am I reading?"

Does this make sense?

...Or am I just dumb? Could be Im just dumb... Yeah I'm too dumb to understand, let's hope Tutuu is correct.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 7:14 pm I have no clue about the unholyfuckery that is occuring.

I'm voting Alison and LC. After sleeping on the Alison kerfunkle, I think it's best we resolve one of the 50-50s.

Voting LC because I trust papa Joeseph.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 02, 2020 1:57 am I still have no clue what happened re claims.

is there a world where ted is town and he's unironically considering wilgy to be the towniest doc claim

from your pov, if you're town, 3 other people were claiming doc yesterday and only 1 was telling the truth

why did you not speak up?

why were you complacent with letting LC get yeeted?

@DrWilgy why did you not claim yesterday? why are you claiming now?

for protocol's sake, if i was a diligent and proper and well-mannered member of the town, it is correct for me to entertain the thought of wilgy town and eso scum

however, i'd rather be realistic

mafia used up their strongman shot n1 as ive said

clapping either me or esooa last night would have been risky because both of us have had at least 1 shot remaining and we could have cross-protected

wilgy was next in the poe. his ass was grass

if ted is town, im very confused about his stance that wilgy is the towniest from this trio. is it that unreasonable to think that he felt cornered and had no option but to claim?

how can you not find me as town? how can you not find eso as town?

@tedxtr, why are you not asking wilgy the question "why didn't you claim yesterday" ?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 2:54 pm i think wilgy is favoured in this claim battle because

>mafia didn't kill any of the docs

which makes it so that it's more likely a fake doc claim occurred early on. once a doc goes, people will question why the second doctor is still alive.

and dunno if wolf team would risk leaving true doc IC claims alive until late game when a lot of us are cleared and one mafia is down.

lol

Marmot who do u think is mafia?

sig wrote: ↑Thu Dec 03, 2020 11:01 am Alison, Marmot, or wilgy is really the pov at this point.

Ted still has some good will from his d1 vote. He could be deep wolfing. But, I'd rather not risk another wasted day on that.

agree with everything

i dont think ted can be with marmot, it would have been suicidal for wolf!ted

don't think its alison + ted either

i kinda dont feel like alison + marmot can be a thing even tho its a bit of a stretch. i just feel like the way she wanted to suicide - why do that when marmot was next on the chopping block for literally everyone?

i could see maybe alison + sigurd in some weird weird world

i really do think wilgy fits with absolutely everyone and is the correct yeet

marmot is also probably scum, but he is most likely with wilgy imo

Still cant believe LC was town and did that shit

I think alison was towny in her assertiveness when interacting with eso and ted, my reasons to lock her as town died together with LC though

Wont comment on the nk