The Syndicate

yeah maybe this is trivial or petty or whatever

but i'm sick of people keep saying that my suspicion of kza didn't matter because it fucking DID matter. I never said a single positive thing about him, I was the first to vote him, I said kill him, I shaded him, Vulgard made a wallpost shading me while I was the only person voting KZA, I doubled down on my suspicion when dizzy attacked me over it, and KZA was a wolf and I was right. I'm sick of everyone other than c4 and visor refusing to give even the slightest credit for it, damn I never asked to be cleared for it but you're not the first to handwave it as meaningless when it wasn't.

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:11 amgavial, kza, and to a lesser extent c4's posts made very little impact on me. I find the amount of townreads on c4 odd for what he has posted.

spf brought ^this post up sometime d2 and iirc said it was me "being neutral" or whatever which I found odd, I thought it was clear I was shading all three people here.

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:41 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:34 pm what do your reads generally look like rn, zack?
bronana
bronana

prob town, wouldn't touch today
nutella
vulgard

slight town i guess
amy
outed wolf
spf - considered putting you in the tier beneath this one tho
sunbae

i'm not super thrilled with them, but grouping them in the tier below felt intensely wrong
dyslexicon
tangrowth

nullish / meh
alison
c4
hally
marl

nullish / meh with feeling
arete
kza

wolfy
dya
gavial

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:35 am [VOTE: KZA] aubergine

do stuff

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:45 pm Reading bronana's ISO.

His early posts look like he's trying to be townread. He's relaxed, charismatic, offers takes that look like he's smiling behind the screen. I can't tell how much he believes in any of them. Timing would indicate "not a lot" (RVS stage) but the fact he's still making them...

I don't know.

This ISO just makes me paranoid. There's nothing outright WRONG or super wolfy I see in it, but Zack gives me the impression of competence. I don't take issue with anything in particular he's said, but I can't bring myself to trust him and call him town. Especially since he shows signs of huge self-awareness.

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:08 pm goofy thought alert

sunbae immediately reading spf's self-meta wall from offsite but not reading tangy's whole reads wall is because sunbae/tangy are wolves and spf is town

this read is stupid and i debated whether or not to post it, then decided i'd go for it on the off chance someone calls me villagy for it

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:31 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:23 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:21 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:15 pm wolves are in gavial/dya/hally/arete/alison/kza??? with a side helping of "i haven't done due diligence on visor yet"

marl could also be a wolf but i lean v for now

nobody else activates my fight or flight when i call them town so
possibly

seems a bit too straightforward "yes the wolves are the underwhelming people not posting much" though, I'd wager the actual team is more complex than that

fine as a place to start for day 1/2 though
i mean yes you're right that the names i listed are underwhelming and the names i didn't list aren't, and that does have shades of "too easy"

but i'd rather start in the easy world and run off on a snipe hunt later than do it the other way around, yknow?

gun to head if i were to pick people outside that pool who i haven't quite done diligence on and thus could be fooling me it's probably like. c4 mp7 you

a fine three names for you to bring up, i am somewhat surprised i've gotten such little heat
There's not a TON of that but it does give me pause.

Does anyone have a wolfgame of his I could read and verify? I want to figure out if his approach is different or mostly the same.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:53 pm I'm explaining this really badly.

He just comes across as the type of player who's a very competent wolf. The type of player I never trust even if they do rand V.

The worst thing in his ISO is the early string of posts where he tries hard to build a towncore and put himself in it. I can't multi-quote and ISO at the same time, so I'll just point at it: exactly the first 10 posts. Ending with the vote on nutella. It looks like a wolf gunning for a strong entrance and good thread position. I know "four pillars of the village" is a meme but it matches his proclaimed townreads from RVS/early game. The progression feels a tad mechanical. "Throw out a few townreads and then push people with those townreads, I'm in a good spot, let's get it."

I don't take much issue with his later posts other than being a bit paranoid while reading them. Him sitting back and watching things unfold for the 2nd half of his ISO should be NAI. He does ask a lot more questions at this point but he's already given reads on most players so I don't find that part wolfy.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:55 pm I'm not planning to touch him today, but he seems like a likely candidate for a deepwolf given his d1 play so far. If we need to search for one later and I'm not alive for it, keep it in mind. His treatment of Gavial is also within the range of a bus, though he's currently vanity voting KZA.

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:27 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:22 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:15 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:56 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:55 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:47 pm it's super frustrating to finally rand town in a game with visor and zack and have them not even explain their shitty reads on me
this is the post, I could have read into the wording wrong but it sounds kinda like implying they are town
I finally randed town in a game with them in it

it's not implying they're town
but the part about their reads on you kinda is
I don't know why you're so hung up about this, and I'm still not sure how I feel about dya myself. The perspective in that post is perfectly normal from either alignment.
okay I'll drop it

what's your read on dya atm

I'd kill gavial or kza. I acknowledge they are the most low hanging fruits, but I find their contributions extremely lacking regardless and don't feel remotely confident about killing off anyone else.

bronana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 2:53 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:33 pm I have meta on like 5 people in this list and one of them is Gavial so it won't even help me

KZA wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:45 pm SPF saying "this is a wolf" at this stage feels pretty good and similar to how she did it in Fargo as town

Personally I have 0 confidence in reading Gavial tho

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:24 pm hot(?) take is that Gavial received way too much heat from too many directions for his 4 post entrance and is probably just town

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:05 pm [VOTE: kza] aubergine

As far as I can tell, until spf's vote there I was the only person in the game to vote kza (and I stayed there during all these quoted posts). So to say it means nothing because kza was always going to die is pretty unfair. I didn't even include my posts after this doubling down on my kza suspicion when it had become clear he was likely going down - an inevitably that I suppose we're measuring by the strength of a wagon that I literally started way before everyone else?

lol vulgard literally makes his big post shading me shortly after I vote kza

shrug, search 'kza' in the thread and look at the highlights in order if your want

people are almost all either neutral or positive on him while i initially shaded then voted him, and I later followed up by being harder on him and clearly stating he should die

neither vulgard nor dya was hard on him at all afaict

seems cromulent

minor quibble that if you check the timing, I think I was the first person to bring up kza in a negative way and the first person to vote him (where I stayed until eod iirc), so I think "it doesn't matter because kza was always going down" is a little uncharitable

ankheg fields

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:03 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:00 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:57 pm i dont get how you think my push on dyachei could ever be a bus, in general
the last game i played was mountain climbing mafia, surely that was a wilder bus than any possible bus in this game lol.

btw, isn't this around the time you said you'd be able to lock in my alignment ... ?
yeah i mean, crazy busses happen, but context is important lol, there were probably clues that hinted at schizo/alexa hardbussing each other even if they were very difficult to find

also yeah, i think that youre town

see you in f3 ofc

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:01 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:56 pm why am i a wolf syn
by the way you are

I can tell by the pixels

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:57 pm i dont get how you think my push on dyachei could ever be a bus, in general

the last game i played was mountain climbing mafia, surely that was a wilder bus than any possible bus in this game lol.

btw, isn't this around the time you said you'd be able to lock in my alignment ... ?

Arete wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:23 am
outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:19 am so what do you think arete?

do you think syn is the wolf? if not syn where next?
yes I think Syn's the wolf

I feel like I've been pretty clear on that point??

I'm in the process of writing up a longer point explaining my locks + PoE, right now I have Marl/Dizzy/c4/Nut as locks and SPF/Syn as PoE, I'm trying to figure out which of you and Bronana I should stake the game on being town (I think you're both villagers but I have room in my PoE for one more person, so)

i am confused, you list spf in your immediate POE but you don't talk about it at all in your iso afaict. that's a pretty spicy read so ? where's your head at

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:36 pm i mean, i don't disagree that i've been "low impact" - i have a lot going on IRL. but i've contributed what i can in the limited time that i have to really put my head into a mafia game, and i've pushed on a wolf for two-three days straight, so shrug

shrug, i'm sure it's reasonable fypov as a villa

i'm just a bit paranoid of the possibility of the bussing wolf who then doesnt know what to post after their teammates are dead

this is the part of the game where i can flap my gums endlessly with all kinds of exploring edge cases and possiblities etc as a villager, and as a wolf where my reads stagnate and i'm more like can you clowns hurry up and mislunch already

speak of the devil lol

spf has been oddly low-impact since like, d2?

I know 10 dead villagers and 10 live villagers will pounce on me for saying that, but shrug

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:11 pm i mean syn has been pushing me for two days and i still cant even tell you the slightest reason why he thinks im a wolf

he just went off and voted me

i mean:
i dont think nutella is a wolf at all
i dont really think youre a wolf even though i should omgus to tilt you :P
i guess i dont think the marl/vulgard stuff is a gambit
i guess i dont think c4 treats dya the way he did as a wolf
i liked spf at the start of the game?
i am perhaps giving too much credit to dizzys vulgard post/crankiness

-----
syn has done basically zero solving?
arete has stopped solving now vulgard is dead?

ye kinda where i'm at

there are two people in the poe and they are giving very little to work with

did you read those arete wolfgames?

i mean i guess

vul/dya/syn has been my team for almost a week irl now and there's no rational reason not to continue with it when it's 2/2 so far

whenever i try to discuss anything else it's either ignored or shot down immediately anyway

feels like a lot of players haven't seriously talked or tried to do much of anything since d3 (or even d2)

this is excruciatingly boring, i don't want another week or whatever of this shit if we're wrong, this mix of boredom and stress is awful

you still at syn/arete glgl?

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:50 pmassuming you're a villa, 7 other players from your pov are villgers so most of the baffling behaviour is from villagers

thats what makes it frustrating

this site does load much faster on mobile than mu does for me at least

honestly i am sick of trying to sift through whose baffling behavior is from a villager and whose is from a wolf

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:47 pm writing posts here is kinda frustrating but i actually like the regular mobile theme for posting on here compared to the desktop mode and id never thought id say that for a phone

mus sucks

when i use the full editor on mobile 90% of the time it will start deleting random shit when i try to backspace at the end of a post. drives me crazy.

'visor is trying to get people to clear him for dumb reasons'

that is a misrepresentation anyway

he asked if I thought he would ever do that as w/w, I said sure. nowhere did I say visor is trying to get people to clear him for dumb reasons, that is a grossly editorialized summary

holy fuck this site is so frustrating to try to write posts on mobile

Arete wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:31 pm like even if you think that's NAI the conclusion that makes sense to have is 'arete is making reads for dumb reasons' not 'visor is trying to get people to clear him for dumb reasons'

???

it was a direct response to 4220

"Do you honestly think I push dya from the start of the game and fake mock vulgard for the gavial stuff?

Honestly."

I am just saying you mocking vulgard isn't clearing like you suggested it should be

you never voted dya when it mattered and sure you could fake mock vulgard? you still townread him and it was just playful ribbing

I don't know wtf you were doing yesterday, it was wack and out of character, felt like wolfy trolling

[VOTE: outed wolf] aubergine

"et tu, bronana?"

what is the game plan as a villager?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:26 am arete the wolfiest thing about you today is the fact that i'm even in your POE lol

and like if arete is a wolf, I don't know how else they could have reacted

if the team was vulgard dya arete and Sunbae claims like... wtf else are they gonna do to have any shot at winning?

I quickly glanced at aretes d3 again and it's so weird and nonsensical and arrogant and dismissive

I just fail to comprehend it

dya seemed not interested in going after arete, or in talking about them at all really - for whatever that's worth

[VOTE: arete] aubergine

:sparta:

dya made a few posts yesterday about supposedly believing syn is ~always a wolf but always found a way to push c4 over him

i'll be honest it's hard for me to give a shit about solving in this gamestate

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:32 pm you got an ordered list of villagers?

basically everyones villa list should have 5 players including themselves, we have 3 mislynches and lose on the 4th

bronana

==== very unlikely to touch before f3, in which case bronana gets misyeeted anyway ====

marl
nutella
spf

==== seems unlikely, but perhaps; will have to put on big boy pants if game is still ongoing here ====

c4
dizzy
outed wolf

==== immediate poe ====

arete

syn

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:49 pm man he was really hedgy on you zack. he clearly wanted you as a mis-elim

like cmon, this was such an obvious pocket attempt, who talks to their wolfbro like this

where you at on c4, visor

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:24 pm so you think syn basically zack?

where to after that?

ye, vulgard/dya/syn has been my main since since earlyish(?) d3, and later it was also sunbae's main solve in his flow chart

probably arete and then go from there. wolves need 4 misyeets to win right? we should win barring something crazy/terrible

bronana wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 2:03 pm I'm sick of killing villagers because they aren't doing or posting enough

c4 feels like a miss and resolves nothing

few hours before EOD and wagons were getting v close at the time

I would have voted dya at eod if it was necessary but there's no way for me to prove that, obviously. as it stood I didn't need to do anything for dya to die, so I mostly focused on other contingencies. I don't really care about getting the personal glory, I just want to win and make sure the bases are covered.

please, if I was a wolf I would have either bussed hard yesterday or joined the c4 counter wagon

instead I stayed off wagon and clearly tried to veto the c4 wagon when it got close to dya's, check my posts

a thrilling day of ww awaits

8v1 mountainous, puts hair on your chest

shallow and pedantic

I didn't want the town cred

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:53 pm i have a certain Thought but i think that i will wait to see dya's flip before i say it, because i dont wanna be a clown

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:41 pm @bronana why would Syn specifically be Visor's partner and not dya
It's the same treatment

difference of degree and I think syn is wolfier than dya, and in this world I get more of the sense of keeping dya around as a bankable easy yeet

but sure, it's possible

really my issue was more that visor doesn't seem to care that much about his reads

I don't know how visor strongly wolfreads dya ALL GAME, never commits to actually killing them, and now decides to randomly clear them

he has vaguely shaded Chloe/syn a few times but never seemed remotely interested in actually killing them, and now decides to randomly clear syn

eat pant, sir

outed wolf + syn
lock it in
for the win
put them in the bin
wolfing like sin
you think that's a schwinn

I'm sick of killing villagers because they aren't doing or posting enough

c4 feels like a miss and resolves nothing

[VOTE: syn] aubergine

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