The Syndicate

he is literally just describing NAA’s behavior (which seems more NAA indicative than AI) and then going “uhh idk it’s towny” lol

what does that read even mean

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 3:41 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 2:20 pm i wanna kill NAA over mac and alison

to me NAA’s play just reads like open wolfing while daring anyone to do anything about it and then snickering to himself when he skates by

also the difficulty i’ve had getting traction on my push on him while other targets have gotten votes very easily indicates he’s a wolf

i see he’s since gotten a vote from marmot but idc about that because i v read marmot, and jay seems to be the only other person willing to push NAA with me and i v read him too, whereas it feels like every other wagon has been joined by people i don’t v read

NAA just feels like the play here
Big meh on VCA in a game with 2 wolves

I think the things Axe's snickering about are more based on what he's saying about everyone else than what everyone else is saying about him
I can't ride or die a read like this but I think it's towny

NAA looks like such a teammate from c4’s iso that it’s almost making me wonder if they would be that obvious as w/w lol

like, look at this:

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:16 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:12 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:02 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:00 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 7:58 pm c4’s entrance feels kinda underwhelming, i agree
Same
who are the wolves?
Nook is wolfy and I haven't felt a need to persuade anyone

"Mac needs to step it up" has been hammered into all of us enough
Gut says he's been playing in a generally unaligned way but I don't normally need my gut with Mac

I have reasons to like all of Axe/Dizzy/Radish/Wilgy and just need some of them to be stronger ffs
what are those reasons?
Axe has a towny self-absorption
Dizzy is being significantly more effective and less agenda'd than GoC
Radish's takes have felt like they came without obligation
Wilgy made catches I didn't expect him to when I didn't expect him to

the NAA v read sticks out like a sore thumb here

we know the other three v reads are all correct now and they seem believable enough… and then there’s the axe read that looks like BS to me

i think i even had a read at one point that c4’s read on NAA was villagery unless they were w/w lol

wow, c4 soft defends NAA like… a lot

not gonna quote it all but ctrl+F axe in c4’s iso

really feels like he’s grasping for reasons to keep his teammate out of his PoE

jay, as i chug through this let me know if my thoughts don’t match your analysis

also apologies, usually i would multiquote the posts that lead me to these conclusions but multiquoting is harder on ts on my phone

there’s really not much to say about NAA/nook

they seem technically compatible but i almost think they would feel more pressure to give definitive reads on each other if w/w? feel like they’ve mostly kept each other at arms length, and generally when people who know each other wolf together they tend to feel pressured to have more substantive interactions i think

i dunno, kinda shrug about it

NAA/jay seems unlikely from NAA’s side

the way he interacts with jay feels more w/v i think? and jay was the only one willing to push NAA with me D1, so i think i’m just gonna rule that team out

the main source of my jay tinfoil is how much he was defending NAA D2 for weak reasons (imo) but i don’t think it really holds up

NAA/mac also seems very possible from NAA’s side

NAA talks about the possibility of mac being a wolf and puts him in a dichotomy with nook but never really pushed mac until today

he seemed more interested in voting in his MR/dizzy dichotomy than his mac/nook dichotomy

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:39 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:38 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:30 pm I think Nanook's EOD2 frustration was real, which would suggest he was really frustrated about the state of game mechanics (which would be town-indicative given the mechanics were town-aligned). I am tempted to call him town and just move on from that, which is what leads me to my three suspects. I don't want to completely shut the door though, so if anyone has a protest for this logic or generally town reading Nanook I will listen to you.
agreed
I'd very much appreciate your take on the c4/Mac relationship. If that team can be eliminated, then today's choice becomes a bit simpler for me. But right now I can't do that.

yea i’m gonna go through everyone’s isos

started with NAA since he’s my top wolf

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:52 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:51 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:50 am Who are the wolves Mac?
Radishes and Wilgy most likely. C4 can be mafia.
C4 was my top mafia read early on... I think I would actually need to check this read in order to seriously hold onto it though.

so when are you gonna check it? it’s lylo now

i’m skimming NAA’s iso and don’t see anything that unaligns him from c4

he throws out c4 as an unexplained wolf read early D1, says he needs to check to see if the read holds, doesn’t check it, then completely drops it and never really talks about c4 again the rest of the game

seems like it could easily be in w/w range

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:30 pm I think Nanook's EOD2 frustration was real, which would suggest he was really frustrated about the state of game mechanics (which would be town-indicative given the mechanics were town-aligned). I am tempted to call him town and just move on from that, which is what leads me to my three suspects. I don't want to completely shut the door though, so if anyone has a protest for this logic or generally town reading Nanook I will listen to you.

agreed

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:17 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:12 pm i should say i have a not insignificant tinfoil on you, jay

question is if i will ever be able to pull the trigger on it
That's fine. It comes with the mimlo territory.

I'm town. There's no single thing I can say to annihilate your tinfoil, but I will give one suggestion/assertion that you can take however you will: you've always had a pretty strong grasp of what I am about in my town body. In our limited games together I don't think you've ever misread me when I have been town (at least not long enough to matter). You found me again this time, and I don't think there'd be much room for doubt if we weren't currently playing in a hot mess.

I have something resembling tinfoil on you too. Chances are it's the same phenomenon. Sort as you must.

yeah i mean, usually when we’ve played together you’ve dunked on a wolf before tinfoiling you would be a concern

but anyway, i’m gonna iso everyone soon and if i have specific concerns i want addressed i’ll let you know

i should say i have a not insignificant tinfoil on you, jay

question is if i will ever be able to pull the trigger on it

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:04 pm Concern about Mac: if he's town I'd expect him to want my head on a pike right now

i think mac’s respond to being voted just now was pretty villagery

would expect w!mac to be more focused on getting the votes off him in that moment instead of solving through it

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:54 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:46 pm i’m skimming c4’s iso in the mentor game and he seems like a better wolf than i was giving him credit for
Smfh. Okay, now that you already have it open, note that literally the towniest, hardest-to-make observation I make in that entire game is the one where I call Poggie >rand v at SoD1.

i agree your depth of thought this game is definitely better

your posts there seem pretty good tonally though and the competition this game is much better so i assume you would up your game here since you wouldn’t be playing against a town of mostly potatos

i’m skimming c4’s iso in the mentor game and he seems like a better wolf than i was giving him credit for

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:56 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:41 pm nook don’t vote mac

i’m really not sure he’s a wolf here and i still think you’re a villager
I'm gonna vote who I think is most likely mafia before I go to bed lol

yes i’m aware you won’t listen to me but i still feel obligated to try lol

c4’s posts so far today have not been good

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:49 pm I think that C4 is very strongly likely to be mafia. I think that the other one is one of Axe or Nanook.

c4/nook is never the team imo

if c4 is a wolf it’s always with NAA i think

really this entire game has been me being like “axe is a wolf” and being ignored

so lol everyone if he’s a wolf

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:49 pm A collection of AI things to consider:

Today we had Nook/Axe put me at L-2 and sew some chaos.

The (relevant) wagons on D2 were:
Mac (3) - Nanook
Dizzy (3) - Jay, NotAnAxehole
NAA (2) - Hally/C4

Marmot was killed n1, but the mafia knew there was a tracker and watcher present so it was probably at least somewhat a dodge. Marmot's POE was Alison/Mac/Axe.

On day 1 Alison was hammered at 6. The only live players from that wagon are Hally and Nanook. Jay was voting Axe. Axe was voting Nanook and Mac was voting C4. All single voters. C4 did not vote, and in fact voted for the no vote option.

i only hammered because alison asked and nobody objected (including jay)

i clearly wanted NAA though and even asked alison to vote him with me

i really think axe is always a wolf here

i think mac’s reaction here was good

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:41 pm @Hally may you please read C4's ISO and give me a vibe check on it?

yea in a bit

i’m at work now so i keep having to look away

nook don’t vote mac

i’m really not sure he’s a wolf here and i still think you’re a villager

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:39 pm [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

thank you

but from your pov, yes

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:37 pm Well if they can unvote, and Jay is not at his computer, what is the point of C4 voting me here?

If it's C4/Jay he has to wait for Jay to be responsive. If it's C4 + either of Axe/Nook then... C4 voting me here is really not going to look great for him anyway.

The only team pairing truly ruled out right now is C4/Hally..

well this doesn’t help me

i assume c4 would ping him

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:35 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:31 pm I think there is a pretty decent chance that this is making Axe town. Axe picking a tunnel and spam pushing it this way is townie, and so is thinking he has some bs tell read on me.
then nook has to be mafia fypov? or else jay/c4 hammer
Is Jay even at his computer?

idfk

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:34 pm What, are votes locked?

no, they can unvote

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:31 pm I think there is a pretty decent chance that this is making Axe town. Axe picking a tunnel and spam pushing it this way is townie, and so is thinking he has some bs tell read on me.

then nook has to be mafia fypov? or else jay/c4 hammer

jay/c4 is cleared of being the team right? because no hammer

i really hope axe is a wolf because i’m not sure mac or nook are

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:28 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:27 pmnot hammering
It takes two to hammer so this doesn't really mean anything

oh right, it’s mylo not lylo

unvote now

please unvote

not hammering

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:24 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:20 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:18 pm If i were mafia he would've been dead n1 lol
who? axe?
Wilgy lol

oh lol, i was gonna say

where do think wilgy softed BP/why did you think he was BP?

well now is a great time to explain it

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:21 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:19 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:17 pm My scum read pre-dates that but also Nanook cc of wilgy was scummy and didn't seem like a cover.
what was scummy about it?
Hmm, actually it isn't, just Mac is mafia.

???

i think c4/axe is very possible fwiw

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:19 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:18 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:17 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:13 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:10 pm @Hally it's mac n Nanook
please explain how you arrived at this conclusion
Nanook straight up lying about my thoughts in Wilgy
he posted about you/wilgy after you said it was mac/nook

what made you say it was mac/nook before that?
Mac mechanically doesn't point to him being town.

why

how

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:18 pm If i were mafia he would've been dead n1 lol

who? axe?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:17 pm My scum read pre-dates that but also Nanook cc of wilgy was scummy and didn't seem like a cover.

what was scummy about it?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:17 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:13 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:10 pm @Hally it's mac n Nanook
please explain how you arrived at this conclusion
Nanook straight up lying about my thoughts in Wilgy

he posted about you/wilgy after you said it was mac/nook

what made you say it was mac/nook before that?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:10 pm @Hally it's mac n Nanook

please explain how you arrived at this conclusion

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