The Syndicate

anyway, thank you for the game gman. sorry for the trouble i caused. and to be clear, im not saying i didn’t enjoy the game because of the no claim thing or that i was right to do what i did or blaming you or anything. nothing like that. more just talking about for the future its probably better to get rid of the headache and just allow them. but it’s up to the hosts here what they want to do and i’ll have to be more disciplined in adhering to what you decide

ah i should have asked that

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:33 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:13 pm i also honestly don’t get the point of no claim rules in a closed setup where there’s absolutely no gamebreaking potential whatsoever

like, everyone knew i was softing doc. i still got eliminated. it did absolutely nothing. anyone can soft anything as any alignment in a closed setup and it should be on town to figure out if it’s legit. it doesn’t make sense to me to ban claiming or hinting outright

but like, it’s not my game so
Claiming the last power role when the other doctor isn't there to protect you would hand the baddies the keys to victory. They didn't kill you only because they hoped you might die from the virus. I didn't want the doctors outing themselves especially in this game because losing one of them right out of the gate would set the civvies back. It turned out that way anyway by natural course (night kill), but it could have been worse and the civvies could have been screwed from the very beginning.

idk imo as long as the game cannot be broken mechanically by a claim it should be up to the players to decide if they wanna screw themselves and risk claiming or not

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:30 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:20 pm also like, what would have happened if i stayed silent and self protected? it would have been the same thing. everyone knew i was supposed to die and when i didn’t it would raise questions about me that i couldn’t answer and cause everyone to think i had some bad role that made me immune. regardless of if i hinted or not self protecting was basically self incriminating with a town doc already flipped but i had no choice. claiming or not claiming wouldn’t have made any difference and i honestly don’t get why it wasn’t allowed
I just didn't understand why you didn't self-protect on Night 3 and healed yourself then. You could have guessed at which Long Con voter to try to save Night 4 that way. It felt like an unforced error to me.

I was also surprised that you had no reaction whatsoever to finding out that there was another doctor role in the game. I was anticipating a questioning PM from you, but I got nothing of the sort.

i didn’t think i could self-heal a day before the poison took effect. thought it had to be the night i was going to die

also idk, why would i ask you? i knew what my role was. tutuu flipping just told me there was another

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:26 pm HOST NOTES:

-I think after 3p's and baddies winning the first three games of this series I intentionally set out to tilt the game a little to the civvies.

-I broke the pattern of having a 3p in the game, but still had my chaos role in the secret asymptomatic carrier. That was a role in my Chicka Chicka 1, 2,3 game that didn't get as much time to shine as I wanted. It's also slightly based off the Venomous Imp role from a Long Con/Black Rock game from days long ago. Amusing that he wound up with the role.

-Including the asymptomatic carrier led me to incorporate a second doctor role. I thought it provided some balance, as the civvies had to contend with the mafia and a virus threat that was statistically more likely to hit a civvie than a baddie.

-There were a total of 50 votes cast in the day polls during this game. Only 7 of them were cast for baddies.

-I really didn't know what to do with Hally when she all but outed herself as a power role and second doctor. There is subtlety and then there is what Hally did. Maybe I could have been more clear. When it was too late, I didn't feel as though I could rightfully modkill her. That would have eliminated the last power role, and the only role of significance left that could stand in the baddies way from steamrolling the game. In fact, had I modkilled her, it would have defaulted straight to a baddie victory. Had the civvies somehow come back to win, I'd have given the mafia a share of the victory, because they would have won without any mass hinting from Hally.

-I come from a culture long ago that embraced claiming at first and then turned against it when it started wrecking artfully constructed games. I am a dinosaur and a relic and I need to find a way forward with allowing claiming somehow.

-The civvies had two doctors and even received a gift in the accidental death of a baddie, and they still managed to lose the game.

-I actually pored over Google Maps for weeks plotting the literal escape route of Sidney Blumenthal and Chelsea Clinton from the end of Escape From Trump Tower through the end of this game.
The fake penthouse was in a warehouse in Perm, Russia. Sidney and Chelsea escaped on a westbound train to Kirov. From there, rail lines and highways exist between all the towns mentioned in this game. All cities and locations therein are real places, even the pizzeria across from the Golden Gate in Kiev.

i apologize for hinting so much and putting you in a difficult position. im really going to need to be more disciplined about no claim rules in the future. personally though, i think claiming should just be allowed in all games because it removes this issue entirely. and then setups can just be designed with that in mind so that it isn’t game breaking to allow them. or they can just be closed like this game. especially now with this site getting a lot of new off site people who come from places where claiming is the norm i feel like this could continue to be an issue, idk

im not saying i was right to soft claim and am sorry if it ruined the game. im simply saying that ultimately i think it changed nothing and didn’t make sense to have as a rule from a game design perspective

also like, what would have happened if i stayed silent and self protected? it would have been the same thing. everyone knew i was supposed to die and when i didn’t it would raise questions about me that i couldn’t answer and cause everyone to think i had some bad role that made me immune. regardless of if i hinted or not self protecting was basically self incriminating with a town doc already flipped but i had no choice. claiming or not claiming wouldn’t have made any difference and i honestly don’t get why it wasn’t allowed

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:12 pm but also it was totally unnecessary bc you shouldnt have even ever considered letting yourself die bc that is literally gamethrowing and you shouldve just stayed silent and self protected but whatever im not gonna harp on it

well i did self protect in the end

i also honestly don’t get the point of no claim rules in a closed setup where there’s absolutely no gamebreaking potential whatsoever

like, everyone knew i was softing doc. i still got eliminated. it did absolutely nothing. anyone can soft anything as any alignment in a closed setup and it should be on town to figure out if it’s legit. it doesn’t make sense to me to ban claiming or hinting outright

but like, it’s not my game so

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:07 pm uh on a more sombering note

please don't soft claim roles in no claiming games everyone this isn't directed at anyone hally but just a general reminder

im honestly still not sure what no claim means. when there are no claim rules on perc you can still hint. you just can’t hard claim. this “you cannot allude to anything at all” is like... new and weird to me

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:07 pm hally really felt the defeatism of 1000 posting and having new clue what was going on this game

yea i got owned tbh. i knew lc and 112 were mischops but i was never chopping ash or poison instead

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:05 pm I will do anything for G-Man and I subbed in as a favor to him.

Back to retirement....

you did awesome epi. sorry i couldn’t be more help

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:04 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:04 pm honestly this team could have swept if you didn’t bus tony

not sure why you did that but it was totally unnecessary lol
tony only died bc lc voted for him tho lolz

yea but lc wouldn’t have voted him if he wasn’t bussed because he wouldn’t really have been a wagon

honestly this team could have swept if you didn’t bus tony

not sure why you did that but it was totally unnecessary lol

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:02 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:01 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:00 pm Doctor Protections:

tutuu:
N1 = Hally

Hally:
N1 = Nanook
N2 = Poison
N3 = Ash
N4 = Hally
lol i protected both wolves

both wolves that made it to endgame

G-Man wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:00 pm Doctor Protections:

tutuu:
N1 = Hally

Hally:
N1 = Nanook
N2 = Poison
N3 = Ash
N4 = Hally

lol i protected both wolves

welp now we know why the game was so hard lol

hard to feel bad getting beat by that kind of wolf play

but nobody was getting convinced by that sooo

it’s like a “im wolfing you please don’t be mad at me” post

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:44 pm However you flip, it's been a joy playing with you Hally.

also ash outed to me with this post but in a way i cant really explain

ash being alive was basically outing but he played so well and it’s kinda hard to pull the trigger on that in lylo

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:53 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:52 pm sorry for sucking but pretty sure we never get there anyway

ash and poison owned us
Tony too. He sold our interaction as w/v SO DAMN WELL.

yea he gave no leads

Arete wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:52 pm gg wolves

I'm sorry everyone, I know I wasn't super invested or active this game and that's on me

you did great arete

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:52 pm Sorry I was so mean to you Hally!

you werent mean lol

sorry for sucking but pretty sure we never get there anyway

ash and poison owned us

poison gets no more disrespect reads

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:22 pm will the real mafia please stand up

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:30 pm [VOTE: Hally] aubergine

you and ash?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:28 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:28 pm epi come to the scum chat i wanba say good bye
Link?

https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ

epi come to the scum chat i wanba say good bye

im actually a jester

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:24 pm Arete and Ash are mafia. Poison is independent.

The game is over.

the second sentence is true at least

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:24 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:23 pm
Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:22 pm Alright, time to f5 a poll for ten minutes.
what
I mean refresh the page constantly in case anyone switches.

nobody is switching lol

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:22 pm Alright, time to f5 a poll for ten minutes.

what

will the real mafia please stand up

im pretty sure lc was the third party? but just didn’t know it

Arete wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:09 pm hi

I'm probably not going to be able to post again before EoD

I think ... I'm a little scared of being wrong here but I think this vote is correct

@Epignosis

I don't trust you, but on the off-chance that I'm wrong and you're a villager I would appreciate it if you would, like, check in right before EoD so you can see if Ash or Poison try to last-minute swap and force a tie?

ties are no elimination

Poison wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:08 pm Wait am I lateee

no, still have 20 min

will my putin points help me not die

wait we have a whole hour left apparently

sadly i actually am this terrible

i wish i was bad too because my play would be less embarrassing in that case

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:06 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:05 pm lylo’s without locked votes shouldn’t exist
I'm just hoping you're bad at this point.

sorry to disappoint

lylo’s without locked votes shouldn’t exist

how can you vote me when i said potato

guys nut is wolf reading me from spec chat which makes me town

it’s like as good as the potato tell

Ash Lael wrote: ↑Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:58 pm Okay I'm gonna go do real life things for a bit.

Will be back for the exciting conclusion.

it won’t be exciting if you’re town

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