The Syndicate

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 12:53 am Danke!

Is it normal for multiball setups for one mafia team having more members than the other? I was sort of surprised when Kansas got eliminated

Also, i was internally screaming when I saw we had the kill locked on esooa. Could have won the game sooner lol

i think maybe kc mafia had stronger roles to make up for the one fewer member?

jpic you played great too!

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:40 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:32 pm We actually tried to kill Michelle the night that Odd switched her with Bo, and Bo was the one carrying out the shot. If it had been me taking the shot, woof.

why didn’t you block odd though?

We decided it was higher priority to block Nanook. Iirc, Nanook was eyeing me hard and we were scared he'd shoot me.

i thought nook’s shots couldn’t be blocked?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:32 pm We actually tried to kill Michelle the night that Odd switched her with Bo, and Bo was the one carrying out the shot. If it had been me taking the shot, woof.

why didn’t you block odd though?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:29 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:22 pm what was the deal with the typewriters and pills and stuff?

They had a shot usage of their safe claim role. Bo's was Molly, and Straw's was Skip.

oh, gotcha

also sorry for complaining so much, and i appreciate all the work you put into this

i’m imagining how good it would have felt if i trusted myself and dropped the hammer on straw

i did everything except the one thing i needed to do to actually get us the win

so close and yet so far

can’t argue with that

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:13 pm I mean it worked out so hard to knock

i mean, not really?

it resulted in both bo and straw being redchecked and them nearly losing when they could have pretty easily won if they just... didn’t do that

it didn’t even have to be that close

if you were going to leave her alive for wifom, why would you not redirect her the nights she was targeting you and straw? idgi

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:08 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 9:02 pm also i still don’t get why michelle was left alive that long

wifom that never played out

leaving a claimed cop alive for wifom when you could just kill them is a truly baffling decision but uh, okay

also i still don’t get why michelle was left alive that long

but what’s with the typewriters

straw

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:26 pm Hally = second highest post count ever

BoKnows = third-highest mafia-aligned post count ever

i’m sad i couldn’t beat the record

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:22 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:20 pm did y’all used to have the stamina to play that long?

Generally yes, I think. It was typical, so it didn't seem long. Open nights have also been typical. I definitely understand that it would seem super long though, especially to folks accustomed to smaller scale games of like <18 players ending by Night 7.

I once wrote War and Peace playing in a game that ended on Day 15. The site record is 22 cycles in one game.

oh, well alright

if this was the intended length i guess there’s nothing inherently wrong with it, but i would say it’s one of those things a lot of people who are newer to the site will struggle with because generally games lasting that long is pretty unusual i think

on MU even games with 50+ players take no more than about 8 phases, and that’s by design

so i guess i’m not used to such a drawn out experience

in any case, i’ll probably stay away from these sorts of games and stick to heists/rackets

what was the deal with the typewriters and pills and stuff?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:18 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:08 pm ah, so straw was a redirector

just like i thought

he practically outed this information in the thread

well, yeah but i’m a coward

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:14 pm Game length perspectives seem to vary heavily by culture. There was a time (and it still may be now) when Syndicate full games were always 10 cycles long or longer. We've had our share hit 13+.

i think if hosts want to have their games last that long they should have closed nights

otherwise players have to post constantly for weeks and it’s just... extremely exhausting for those that live late into the game

i have never seen a game last ten phases afaik so i’m surprised to learn it was the norm on the syndicate

did y’all used to have the stamina to play that long?

AL_sama wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:11 pm thanks for the game @novaselinenever

well played everyone

@Strawhenge @BoKnows @Justplayingitcool you guys did awesome and you guys literally carried me lol

hope you enjoyed your first syndicate game!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 8:10 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:19 pm A message to the people of Fargo,

My fellow Americans,

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But this is not the end of our agenda. Tonight, we will also be targeting domestic issues that threaten us from within. I wish that I could report more at this time, but it is not in the best interests of our beautiful country for me to do so.

Thank you, stay vigilant, and may God Bless America.

Spoiler: show

@Oddmerta @Alison @Sloonei @Long Con @tedxtr @KZA @AL_sama @Strawhenge @Justplayingitcool @fingersplints @staypositivefriend @Hally @Dom @BoKnows @Esooa @falcon45ca @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Michelle @TonyStarkPrime

gotta make it more obvious, chief

ah, so straw was a redirector

just like i thought

i’m glad this is over

i apologize for not really caring about the game much in the later days but it was just... an endless flood of mechanical/multiball shenanigans, and frankly it just became too exhausting to sort through it all especially when it seemed like there was no end to it

i appreciate the ambition that went into designing a game of this kind and this magnitude but respectfully, my advice in the future is that if your game has the potential to get to a D10, there’s just something wrong with the design

either 1) not enough killpower or 2) too many ways for deaths to be stopped or both

games really should never last this long, and i think the average player is pretty much only ever going to have enough in the tank for maybe 7 phases (maybe even less given this was 48 hour days PLUS open nights, which means that there was never a time where we could take a break and reset)

just something to consider

i think the mechanics were also pretty confusing/borderline bastardish and that multiball is kind of unfun, but if people know they’re getting into that it’s fine (i personally didn’t realize it would be like that but i probably could have figured if i’d thought about it) and i wouldn’t say those are flaws with the game

the length though is something that really shouldn’t happen, and i know it’s hard to foresee in a game with this many variables, but hopefully for the future adjustments can be made

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:42 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:38 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:35 pm I hope no town players in this game come in with salt and gripes. Each and every one of us did at least one thing to guide this game toward an L. I helped plenty by reading Strawhenge the opposite of correctly, ensuring my legacy would drag for a month and keep him afloat.

The most important reasons town lost are these though:

~ BoKnows
~ Strawhenge

meh, i think the loss falls pretty squarely on my shoulders

i pretty much knew it was straw by the end and had the power to singlehandedly vote him out and win us the game but i didn’t do it

sorry town for not bringing it home

I don't let you have this responsibility alone, i am the one who kept the vote on Odd who voted for scum.
I was blind.
Town's force is in teamwork. We didn't succeed to work together, that would bring us the win.
No matter how much I would try, alone i choose wrong.
I am sorry

but that’s the thing, i didn’t have to work with you because i had 3 votes the last day

i could have grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck and forced the elimination i wanted but i just didn’t have the guts to assert myself like that even though i knew we’d lose if i didn’t

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 7:35 pm I hope no town players in this game come in with salt and gripes. Each and every one of us did at least one thing to guide this game toward an L. I helped plenty by reading Strawhenge the opposite of correctly, ensuring my legacy would drag for a month and keep him afloat.

The most important reasons town lost are these though:

~ BoKnows
~ Strawhenge

meh, i think the loss falls pretty squarely on my shoulders

i pretty much knew it was straw by the end and had the power to singlehandedly vote him out and win us the game but i didn’t do it

sorry town for not bringing it home

i mean, i assume straw was a redirector and that’s why he didn’t kill michelle the last night

but leaving her on the other nights where she could have been killed is just bizarre to me

i also genuinely don’t understand why mich was left alive and never blocked

or why you would ever nk esooa last night

but w/e

curious to see what straw’s role was

gg

thx nova

i mean

frankly i have not cared about the outcome of this game for a while

which is my own fault, and i still should have voted who i actually thought was the wolf

but it just felt wrong to not vote with michelle when she was the only villager left who consistently cared

so shrug, win some and lose some

lol multiball

maybe we won’t lose

meh, whatever

i don’t think we need to point fingers

game is/was hard

well if the game continues after tonight just lunch straw

if not oh well

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 6:39 pm If it's Straw don't blame me for your play in this game Esooa.

i mean, c’mon

it’s fine to be wrong but you should take responsibility for it

welp

gj straw

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 6:30 pm ends with michelee griefing the fuck out of 2 day phases in a row then getting sheeped just cause why not

i voted with her because she’s been putting in a ton of effort throughout the game

sorry if wrong

it is done

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon May 03, 2021 6:28 pmIt's Esooa

alright i’m gonna trust you even though i have the #doubt

glgl

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine

nah, can’t do it

i don’t want to be wrong and steal the win from mich

inb4 it’s michelle

damn i can’t even let it rand because esoo’s vote doesn’t count

oh we have 30 min

glgl

im here

if you think it’s esooa i’ll vote with you

#inmichellewetrust

michelle i’ll vote whoever you tell me because you’ve been putting in a ton of work and i want you to get the outcome you want, whatever that is

good talk

i dunno what to do

look michelle, regardless of either esooa’s alignment or yours, you haven’t handled this correctly and esooa is correct to point that out

there’s zero reason why you shouldn’t have stopped to think about why you’re alive, what happened to the kill and whether your checks can be trusted

instead you’re barreling ahead with your check and failing to consider any of the above, which is not good