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I kinda wish that Dov didn't just roll over once he started facing pressure and that he kept on fighting. But he's probably just a spooked wolf.

[VOTE: Dov] aubergine

I said it before, Dov.

If people want me to gladiate Carotte, I can gladiate Carotte

I can use my gladiate ability, sure. Who should I use it on?

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:29 am If I had to pick someone to gladiate right now probably dov?

Of course, in the current state might be better to let someone else pick who I'll gladiate.

If I had to pick someone to gladiate right now probably dov?

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:03 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 5:00 pm I see the wolves have gone with the "crush souls" theory of kills
elaborate?

personally i'm kinda surprised, i thought they'd go for psi as 'hardest player to misyeet'

Because both players I was pushing at were nightkilled immediately after i suspected them. It's probably designed to just drag me out as long as possible and also kill loud potential town leaders so that town is baited into killing me, I flip town, and suddenly town is burnt and demoralized and just stops posting. Just kill by postcount and take over the narrative as town sorta collapses at that point.

I see the wolves have gone with the "crush souls" theory of kills

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 1:02 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:54 pm I don't actually have bad associatives with UG. I attacked char because the way she tried to cast suspicion on UG was pretty bad. You can see that as a defense of UG if you want; I see it as an attack on char. I had a townread on UG and made that clear, and that's it. I think trying to play off "oh, Alison defended a wolf and pushed a town means she's wolf" is ridiculous when we're essentially in D2. There's no way you believe that townies are never wrong that early in the game.

But the biggest out here is that you haven't already gladiated. You didn't use your gladiator ability when instructor last day phase, and you didn't use it now. There is absolutely no reason not to have already popped it against me if this is what your genuine views are as town. A town Jovian would be drooling at the thought of gladiating me and forcing scum to pick between me and you, and then outing them all when you flip town. You need the person you're thunderdoming to tell you to gladiate her before doing it lol
cuz last time I tried to tdome someone it turned out to be a half-cop which thankfully didn't need to claim because i looked terrible after getting pocketed by every wolf that game
This is why gladiator sucks because it's really spewy and if someone thinks I'd tdome them and lose they might be tempted to preemptively claim to not get stuck in a v/v gladiate.
tbh i was kinda hoping that we'd just get like an outed wolf that I could burn my gladiate on to not have to worry about it.

tbh the only real use I see is forcing a massclaim, but I don't think we're there rn

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:54 pm I don't actually have bad associatives with UG. I attacked char because the way she tried to cast suspicion on UG was pretty bad. You can see that as a defense of UG if you want; I see it as an attack on char. I had a townread on UG and made that clear, and that's it. I think trying to play off "oh, Alison defended a wolf and pushed a town means she's wolf" is ridiculous when we're essentially in D2. There's no way you believe that townies are never wrong that early in the game.

But the biggest out here is that you haven't already gladiated. You didn't use your gladiator ability when instructor last day phase, and you didn't use it now. There is absolutely no reason not to have already popped it against me if this is what your genuine views are as town. A town Jovian would be drooling at the thought of gladiating me and forcing scum to pick between me and you, and then outing them all when you flip town. You need the person you're thunderdoming to tell you to gladiate her before doing it lol

cuz last time I tried to tdome someone it turned out to be a half-cop which thankfully didn't need to claim because i looked terrible after getting pocketed by every wolf that game
This is why gladiator sucks because it's really spewy and if someone thinks I'd tdome them and lose they might be tempted to preemptively claim to not get stuck in a v/v gladiate.
tbh i was kinda hoping that we'd just get like an outed wolf that I could burn my gladiate on to not have to worry about it.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:51 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 12:14 pm Alison been consistently working to push wolf agenda all game. Her push for a town / town gladiate is absurdly brazen but I have a feeling Alison would do it, and there's also the added evidence Cayvie and Char brought up that she has pretty bad associatives with UG. I don't buy the WIFOM that she wouldn't leave a partner off of a list as a wolf. Maybe it's an intentional ploy to look good, cuz I think the alternate world where she just forgot someone off of her readslist is unlikely. She's hard defended wolves and hard pushed town. That just makes her a wolf imo.
Gladiate me then, and we'll see who's the wolf between us. If you're town, you should be happy to do it.

sure, don't see much better use of my ability

Alison been consistently working to push wolf agenda all game. Her push for a town / town gladiate is absurdly brazen but I have a feeling Alison would do it, and there's also the added evidence Cayvie and Char brought up that she has pretty bad associatives with UG. I don't buy the WIFOM that she wouldn't leave a partner off of a list as a wolf. Maybe it's an intentional ploy to look good, cuz I think the alternate world where she just forgot someone off of her readslist is unlikely. She's hard defended wolves and hard pushed town. That just makes her a wolf imo.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:52 am Oh, that sucks. If roles weren't alignment-blind I would have asked Jovian to gladiator Neutron. Actually, maybe Jovian should gladiator Neutron anyway. If they're W/W then obviously the result is great (you can only vote wolves, so a wolf will definitely die!) and if they're V/W then the wolves have to make a very very difficult choice (and probably even if we exe the villager, the wolf gets outed by difference check).

I do not see the point of this plan

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:18 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:16 pm Claiming Suki, one-shot gladiator. Once per game, at least 15 minutes before eod, I can choose a player. Any votes not on me or that player do not count for the purpose of elimination.
If you gladiate someone, will it be announced, or clearly indicated in any way (eg. nanook clearly telling us that any votes not on you or X will not be counted)? Check with nanook if you're unsure.

public announcement, yep

Claiming Suki, one-shot gladiator. Once per game, at least 15 minutes before eod, I can choose a player. Any votes not on me or that player do not count for the purpose of elimination.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:33 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 4:30 pm That kill clears me, I'd always bring over the thunderdome an extra day there.
X to doubt.

There’s massive wifom there.

Nah like I would /never/ make that kill, cuz I have first-hand experience in pretty much that exact situation.
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... =27&t=1906
Pyre mafia was a game I played not long ago on this site. In that game, like this one, I came under pretty heavy fire early on, getting hard tunneled by 2 players and facing general sus starting d1 and n1. We didn't kill any of the people sussing me. We killed tutuu, who was broadly townread and probably never gonna get mischopped. Then, over the next day, we started to maneuver. Lissa got into bussing position and pocketed town leader Zack, and managed to ride that pocket and dodge virtually any suspicion til we outed at endgame. I posted a bunch on d2, and ended up collecting a townshield from Sloonei. Turns out it's a real hamper to your ability to solve when you were caught defending a flipped wolf. On d3 I finally died, but i caused so much chaos at eod that I got the townie TSP caught up in it and looking bad, and he flipped right after me despite having another partner that had been run up to be a major wagon every single day previously. Sure I died, but after my death I left behind a mindfield that made it impossible for town to solve. It worked beautifully.

Like in this situation, I'd just kill cayvie and watch her shout from dvc as I pull off the exact same trick all over again. Guaranteed Town/Wolf wagons are an absolute godsend in this scenario because it lets you know exactly what's gonna happen the next day. As a wolf team, this is the time when your advantage of tmi is strongest. You basically get a stranglehold on the game, you know exactly what you need to do to maximize cred, and as the wolf taking the fall you just catch onto any townies starting to be wrong and just make sure that they are punished hard for not having tmi and that the next days well be suffering and solveless as town starts killing itself.
[VOTE: cass] aubergine

That kill clears me, I'd always bring over the thunderdome an extra day there.

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:21 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:20 pm @Marcher Jovian please provide some semblance of an opinion on dj neutron star

you came in shortly before eod and quickly pushed cass, as soon as neutron was in danger you moved to jiwon

you have only mentioned neutron's name in wagon analysis contexts and have never stated a read other than maybe an implication predicated on you suspecting cass and assuming they're not w/w

why did saving them appear to be your main concern at eod?
gth town

I isoed the main wagons. I came out of it with cass gth wolf, dj gth town, and jiwon gth jiwon. I voted with my reads. It's not some hard "I have a ride-or-die on dj" like you've made it out to be. Maybe some day someone will make a good case there and I'll consider it. But something tells me that there isn't going to be a good case, considering just how many people have bandied him about as an option and he's just falling in the rankings in a very "town getting pushed by mafia for a mischop" way.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:20 pm @Marcher Jovian please provide some semblance of an opinion on dj neutron star

you came in shortly before eod and quickly pushed cass, as soon as neutron was in danger you moved to jiwon

you have only mentioned neutron's name in wagon analysis contexts and have never stated a read other than maybe an implication predicated on you suspecting cass and assuming they're not w/w

why did saving them appear to be your main concern at eod?

gth town

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:53 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:50 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:47 pm The moment i start showing any suspicion of nutella she decides that all of a sudden I'm an outed wolf and starts digging up any possible interpretation that lets her throw more dirt on me :thonk:
she sees me pushing cass, she sees me catching onto her, and now she's going all out with chainsaws and OMGUS to discredit my reads and force me through before I clear myself off of the flip. Not happening.
You're so full of shit. Besides when we are both town we mindmeld a lot and here you are pushing like the entire opposite perspective of the game state and all I see is scum agenda.

I feel super confident in this one folks. I'm probably not articulating it well because there's some gut/ meta involved but I'm like 95% sure Jovian is scum here.

I could say those words right back at you.

cayvie wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:54 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:50 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:47 pm The moment i start showing any suspicion of nutella she decides that all of a sudden I'm an outed wolf and starts digging up any possible interpretation that lets her throw more dirt on me :thonk:
she sees me pushing cass, she sees me catching onto her, and now she's going all out with chainsaws and OMGUS to discredit my reads and force me through before I clear myself off of the flip. Not happening.
what does this part mean? are you referring to nightkills? how do you plan on clearing yourself off of those?

because if I chop her buddy cass, then all of a sudden I'm out of the pool and it just tightens the box. She sees everyone saying my vote is sus and is jumping on the thread mood to push me through first so they don't have to burn a nightkill on me.

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:47 pm The moment i start showing any suspicion of nutella she decides that all of a sudden I'm an outed wolf and starts digging up any possible interpretation that lets her throw more dirt on me :thonk:

she sees me pushing cass, she sees me catching onto her, and now she's going all out with chainsaws and OMGUS to discredit my reads and force me through before I clear myself off of the flip. Not happening.

The moment i start showing any suspicion of nutella she decides that all of a sudden I'm an outed wolf and starts digging up any possible interpretation that lets her throw more dirt on me :thonk:

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:33 pm Still don't really get the near universal Cass scumread. I feel gut towny about them. But maybe if everyone else sees something I'm not they could be onto something. Idk trusting my gut for now.

really don't like this post though

Really weird how nutella/PSI are moving in lockstep so much.

wait no PSI and nutella flash wagoned so probs not? unless they were like hard banking on letting dov get burnt to pick whichever wagon they wanted to go over
fatmo vote looks sus tho

PSINightmareEmpower wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:17 pm Ugh. Neither of the alternate viable wagons look good to me, but I know U-G isn't popular enough to go through right now. I have to switch, but I don't know to whom.

Jiwon isn't doing anything for me. I'm all right with it, but not personally sold on it. Clearing out the inactives is important though, so maybe I should?

I can't vote Cass in good conscience. I haven't done enough research on them to confidently place a vote. It's just a sheep read I'd do as mafia so I can't vote them until I've done my research, and I don't have time to do research before EoD.

...

...

...Jiwon it is.

[VOTE: JiwonMeganPark] aubergine

Fatmo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:43 pm Ahh ok.

[VOTE: JIWAN] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:05 pm Welp this is exciting

[VOTE: jiwon] aubergine

Hey i found cass's teammates

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 1:58 am let's look at DJNS. what i see in their iso (it's short, if you wanna read it) is someone who is clearly reading the thread but who has expressed very few opinions. i also see someone who is having trouble coming up with things to say. for example:

DJ Neutron Star wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:27 am
chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 1:23 am
Neutron's call out on PSInightmare look more like disagreeing with a play then forming a read. Im interested if Neutron does have a read on PISnightmare.

scum lean, but it's off of two posts so lol. i'm not stubborn enough for a D1 tunnel

i imagine i'll find something else to hyperfixate on tomorrow

DJ Neutron Star wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:48 pm evening folks

if anyone has any suggestions on things or people in the thread i should be focusing on, let me know

there isn't anything in particular i'm finding myself able to focus on so i could use some direction, admittedly
[v]DJ Neutron Star[/v]

Like how cayvie switched off of the easy vote on jiwon to first vote neutron star despite being under pressure herself

Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 9:00 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:38 am Here's where I am in terms of reads at the moment. The list of people in each category is not ordered. Consider this my legacy reads if I should die during the night phase.

Hard Town - These are the people who've done something to make me actively trust them.
Alison
PSINightmareEmpower
Carotenoid
Dragon D. Luffy

Townlean
cayvie
DrWilgy
Fatmo
Long Con
nutella

Mixed Bag
chardonnay

Scumlean
Jackofhearts2005
Marcher Jovian

Scum
cassowary
DJ Neutron Star
dov
I don’t think cass / DJ neutron star are ever w/w with the way that flash wagons went down.
The neutron wagon was an even split with 2 from jiwon and 2 from cass, unless mafia were playing hyperreckless bussing games I don’t think that happens if w/w.
I’m thinking it’s more likely mafia jumped onto the cass counterwagon for cred when it looked like jiwon was certain to go over, and took the flash wagon as a chance to get off when things started looking risky. Think that points to cayvie as the teammate?

Other option I guess is I’m wrong and it’s just a pure wagon that failed. Points to wolves probably spilt pretty even between the two wagons and it means that “third votes wolfy” is gonna be a thing and we should probably take a look at who decided the wagons and which ones fizzled out.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:38 am Here's where I am in terms of reads at the moment. The list of people in each category is not ordered. Consider this my legacy reads if I should die during the night phase.

Hard Town - These are the people who've done something to make me actively trust them.
Alison
PSINightmareEmpower
Carotenoid
Dragon D. Luffy

Townlean
cayvie
DrWilgy
Fatmo
Long Con
nutella

Mixed Bag
chardonnay

Scumlean
Jackofhearts2005
Marcher Jovian

Scum
cassowary
DJ Neutron Star
dov

I don’t think cass / DJ neutron star are ever w/w with the way that flash wagons went down.
The neutron wagon was an even split with 2 from jiwon and 2 from cass, unless mafia were playing hyperreckless bussing games I don’t think that happens if w/w.
I’m thinking it’s more likely mafia jumped onto the cass counterwagon for cred when it looked like jiwon was certain to go over, and took the flash wagon as a chance to get off when things started looking risky. Think that points to cayvie as the teammate?

cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:19 pm
Marcher Jovian wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:41 pm
cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:03 amI stand by my LC vote at the time, and I still find his... aggressive response to suspicions of him a little strange, but also I don't know him and maybe this is just how he is always? The people who know him don't seem concerned, at least.
underlined reads like a wolf unhappy that they can't just get away with an easy policy-esque vote
Really? I think I've explained why I voted for LC pretty thoroughly. How does this come across as policy-esque to you?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:13 pm

How about we hit an actual scum in Cass/Cayvie then yeet the teammate on Jiwon's wagon.
What makes you so confident about this?

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To be real here, this is going to sound kind of silly, but I think part of the reason people who played with me before are reading me badly on tone is because we just (like, last week) finished a game that lasted like 3 months, where it was only my second time playing mafia, and I survived almost to the end of the game, so I think I had to adjust the way I usually reason about the game to make that work. I think I'm still having a bit of trouble getting back into the town mindset, like, I have to actually put effort into thinking about the game state and not throw shade at random people just to try to get them killed?? Lame!! I hope that makes sense. Like, I've still got to change gears in my brain a little bit, so I might be coming across different than usual. But maybe for example I should cut chardonnay etc some slack on reading me as vaguely suspicious. Sorry guys.

Maybe policy isn't the right word but it felt like you were talking less about why LC is a wolf and more about why LC is weird and suspicious — like you said you say you're standing by your read and then you immediately start undermining your own arguments and saying oh everything I was wolfreading was just personality stuff. Your argument also doesn't really mesh with the reason you gave for your vote? Like you justified it based off of agreeing to much and mechanics talk and generally being too passive it seems like you're arguing the opposite right now. There's a weird mindset thing, shouldn't people saying lc tends to be an agressive player make you more suspicious of a slow start, not less?

cass's original vote for reference:

Spoiler: show

cassowary wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:59 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:22 pm
cassowary wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:32 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:20 amHaving played with PSInightmare before im surprised that your takeaway is a scum lean. I'm thinking shes town tbh
I mean I said 'maybe slight' scum lean. I do find it interesting that other people jumped on it so quickly, though.

I do think reading too much into psi's tone is ill-advised though. That wasn't my intent with my callout of her. I can confirm as well that she always writes like this. But also, I feel like she was good at using her posting style to her advantage when she was mafia before, so I feel wary of TRing her based on this as you seem to be?

Still, I'm not sure she's my prime suspect atm. Going to go back and read over the thread more carefully.
Wait, you have meta experience with PSI? Why did you wait to mention this now, and not when you made that post saying you suspected her?

I followed your first post about her, but I don't have meta experience with PSI. The other guy who does have it defended her after I made that case. But now that people are calling the case in question, you decide to remind us that you know her meta and change your read to a more null one?

Uh, sort of? Carotte asked me specifically for reads on the people I already did have meta experience with, but most of them hadn't really made any posts, and I wanted to have something rather than just saying 'they're all null!' This was kinda my strongest feeling at the time based on the, like, 3 posts the people I already knew had made. But to be honest I'm not super attached to this read so... ehh.

The read wasn't based on tone/writing style, bc I do know she always writes like this. I understand people who don't know her reading her tone as suspicious, but my read was based more on the fact that she seemed to not be trying to have her reads stand out. I feel like chardonnay may have confused my post and your post on PSI and thought that I was calling out PSI's tone, which I was not, even if I was pointing at the same post. But at the same time I disagree with chardonnay here that the tone is a meta reason to townread her either, because she's good at maintaining that tone regardless of alignment ime.

@chardonnay you didn't really specify why you're feeling psi as town beyond 'she often comes across as appeasing' -- could you go into more detail? For me, meta experience would seem to imply she should be floating somewhere around the middle, I'm not sure where you're getting town from.

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Re the other stuff going on:

Count me in as not a fan of Jiwon's posting this game either. "inactivity is NAI" doesn't apply when the person is posting but just choosing not to engage.

I don't really see the suspicion of cayvie, or at least I don't see myself voting for Cayvie today when there are better options on the table.

I can also get behind the LC wagon. I don't feel like he's contributed a whole lot of original stuff beyond mechanical speculation and agreeing with other people's reads.

I'll do [VOTE: long con] aubergine for now.

also why does it say aubergine whenever people vote lol

[VOTE: jiwon] aubergine

will probably vote jiwon over djns

I want cassowary over neutron

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:43 pm I want to know how Jovian zeroed on those specific poets in the middle of the thread 10 min after replacing in.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... sf=msgonly

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:42 pm oh no another cass vote

will move back to jiwon to save cass if needed lol i just townread them

why?

cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 3:03 am I concur with Neutron on the futility of tone-reading PSI. (Pedit: but I disagree w/ him on U-G's posts coming from town)

I don't really know how to respond to the description of my playstyle as "reactive" or "trying to blend in." I mean, yes, I am reacting to stuff in the thread and giving my thoughts on it. And if I'm trying to blend, I'm apparently doing a terrible job at it.

Truth be told, I'm generally pretty bad at d1 stuff -- I usually don't really know what to say early on, I tend to do better with solving-type stuff in the later game. And I'm definitely feeling that hard right now.

I guess here's thoughts:

I feel like chardonnay and carotenoid in particular have been pushing me hard into "consensus scumread" territory based on mostly "I just feel like cassowary's posts have a weird tone"-type stuff, which I don't really know how to defend against, but it feels kind of like something you can say without much to back it up.

I stand by my LC vote at the time, and I still find his... aggressive response to suspicions of him a little strange, but also I don't know him and maybe this is just how he is always? The people who know him don't seem concerned, at least.

U-G continues to seem nervous. That paranoid response to the post that wasn't about him was very strange, and this isn't really the kind of tone I normally see from him. I can definitely see these posts coming from a U-G who's nervous at rolling scum on a new site with a bunch of people he doesn't know.

Regarding Jiwon, it's unfortunate that he hasn't contributed literally anything, but in my recent experience that doesn't really mean anything as regards alignment. (It's just Cave of the Past all over again...) So I'm wary of casting a vote based purely on shitpostiness because I've led that charge in the past and been horribly wrong.

I am going to sleep but will be back tomorrow morning before EOD. I'm going to move my vote onto U-G so I'm at least putting it to slightly more productive use??

[VOTE: Ultimate-Gamer] aubergine

underlined reads like a wolf unhappy that they can't just get away with an easy policy-esque vote
underlined italicized reads like a wolf preemptively trying to avoid getting blamed for a vote on town

[VOTE: cassowary] aubergine

cassowary wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:59 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 4:22 pm
cassowary wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:32 pm
chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 02, 2020 2:20 amHaving played with PSInightmare before im surprised that your takeaway is a scum lean. I'm thinking shes town tbh
I mean I said 'maybe slight' scum lean. I do find it interesting that other people jumped on it so quickly, though.

I do think reading too much into psi's tone is ill-advised though. That wasn't my intent with my callout of her. I can confirm as well that she always writes like this. But also, I feel like she was good at using her posting style to her advantage when she was mafia before, so I feel wary of TRing her based on this as you seem to be?

Still, I'm not sure she's my prime suspect atm. Going to go back and read over the thread more carefully.
Wait, you have meta experience with PSI? Why did you wait to mention this now, and not when you made that post saying you suspected her?

I followed your first post about her, but I don't have meta experience with PSI. The other guy who does have it defended her after I made that case. But now that people are calling the case in question, you decide to remind us that you know her meta and change your read to a more null one?

Uh, sort of? Carotte asked me specifically for reads on the people I already did have meta experience with, but most of them hadn't really made any posts, and I wanted to have something rather than just saying 'they're all null!' This was kinda my strongest feeling at the time based on the, like, 3 posts the people I already knew had made. But to be honest I'm not super attached to this read so... ehh.

The read wasn't based on tone/writing style, bc I do know she always writes like this. I understand people who don't know her reading her tone as suspicious, but my read was based more on the fact that she seemed to not be trying to have her reads stand out. I feel like chardonnay may have confused my post and your post on PSI and thought that I was calling out PSI's tone, which I was not, even if I was pointing at the same post. But at the same time I disagree with chardonnay here that the tone is a meta reason to townread her either, because she's good at maintaining that tone regardless of alignment ime.

@chardonnay you didn't really specify why you're feeling psi as town beyond 'she often comes across as appeasing' -- could you go into more detail? For me, meta experience would seem to imply she should be floating somewhere around the middle, I'm not sure where you're getting town from.

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Re the other stuff going on:

Count me in as not a fan of Jiwon's posting this game either. "inactivity is NAI" doesn't apply when the person is posting but just choosing not to engage.

I don't really see the suspicion of cayvie, or at least I don't see myself voting for Cayvie today when there are better options on the table.

I can also get behind the LC wagon. I don't feel like he's contributed a whole lot of original stuff beyond mechanical speculation and agreeing with other people's reads.

I'll do [VOTE: long con] aubergine for now.

also why does it say aubergine whenever people vote lol

bolded bit feels like way to many words to just ask "pls explain the why more, also i think chardonnay's tone is just ok but nai" feels meandering and space-filly that just takes a long winding road to null.

[mention]cassowary[/mention] do you have any recent games you can point to?

JiwonMeganPark wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 6:29 pm I am very sleepy and I had my coffee limit today, I will read tomorrow when I'm drinking my new day coffee

oh god coffee tell lmao

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