The Syndicate

going to start saying "please read more carefully" as a substitute for something rude

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:55 pm Okay, so. Here's a wall on why I think Urist Is Suspicious:

I was reading the votes and the context for those votes for people who voted Rej

and honestly without knowing Urist in the past I have to say I think he really didn't care a whole lot for voting Rej and it feels like his votes are throw-away without stating as such

it also feels agenda-y that he comes in here rushing to ask Doom about Alison but then gets or acts frustrated for not knowing Alison's alignment because of them not checking

Reading into his ISO a bit more, he mentions Poison nearly all the time but doesn't really do anything about it

everyone else who voted Rej and their context didn't really give me any bad vibes but Urist's has

Not to mention he did vote Falcon45ca yesterday even though Urist seems to believe (based on his attitude today) that Alison was a good slaver candidate and that Falcon was claiming Alison was evil at that time (IIRC).

and now there's this whole Nanook claiming Westin to CC Doom, and Urist doesn't bring up the whole "why didn't you check Alison n2" question again to Nanook while thinking he's "prob town":
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:50 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:49 pm @Urist

How do you feel about Nanook.

I would like your immediate thoughts if possible.
prob town
annnnd he's being all opportunistic over Dom while the shitshow between Nook and Doom being possible CC's is going on, for a role (Westin) I think he was very interested in this whole game:

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:48 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:37 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:33 pm dom is outed mafia at this point
why?

Like I have him as a candidate but this conversation just seems to be him making snide remarks about DOOM/Nook for having an uppity attitude/not keeping up with the mech claims respectively. It seems mostly NAI to me.
he was gone all day yesterday and has nothing to say? like really?

nanook isn't claiming westin, please read more carefully

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:54 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:52 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:33 pm dom is outed mafia at this point
Hey urist, can you explain to me please? I am missing something. I trust you
dom's push on nanook is really really terrible

also esooa's death on n1 implicates dom

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:52 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:33 pm dom is outed mafia at this point
Hey urist, can you explain to me please? I am missing something. I trust you

dom's push on nanook is really really terrible

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:48 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:44 pm And I truly don't have a read on Nanook but I don't get why he got so defensive. Just answer the questions. I think he has a point, but I'd like to vet the claim and see if it stands to pressure.
I did answer your question lol, the answer to why I didn’t do this yesterday is that I literally did not see doom claim Westin yesterday

You don’t like the answer but that’s not the same as me not answering lol

technically she didn't claim, she heavily softed it d1 and when she continued softing it d2 i got annoyed and outed her

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:49 pm @Urist

How do you feel about Nanook.

I would like your immediate thoughts if possible.

prob town

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:37 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:33 pm dom is outed mafia at this point
why?

Like I have him as a candidate but this conversation just seems to be him making snide remarks about DOOM/Nook for having an uppity attitude/not keeping up with the mech claims respectively. It seems mostly NAI to me.

he was gone all day yesterday and has nothing to say? like really?

dom is outed mafia at this point

@DaughterOfOmega can you claim your n1 action at least pls

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:16 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:13 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:12 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:11 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:07 pm [VOTE: doom] aubergine

I’m actually using the vote tags so you know it’s serious
Do you actually have a decent reason for this or
Yeah she’s not the cop
Are you claiming Westin?
I’m claiming mechanical knowledge that precludes her from being Westin, possibly including that I myself am Westin

you couldn't have claimed this yesterday eh

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:12 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:11 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:07 pm [VOTE: doom] aubergine

I’m actually using the vote tags so you know it’s serious
Do you actually have a decent reason for this or
Yeah she’s not the cop

Are you claiming Westin?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:07 pm [VOTE: doom] aubergine

I’m actually using the vote tags so you know it’s serious

Do you actually have a decent reason for this or

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:49 pm Did I miss something and doom claim cop

she can check whether people are new reno.
would have been great if rej had claimed when she did so that her role could actually be useful and confirm him
alas people would rather just die and lose

@DaughterOfOmega i'm not going to spell out your role for you but if you could spend the next 48h re-reading your role and thinking about its potential applications that would be great thanks.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:20 pm Hmm that's kind of fair.

Though I just thought that saving my second use for later game would be better, since Alison is always an enemy of mine no matter the result.

Like for the other factions it's better for me to use it on her

if alison is the slaver then she isn't your enemy

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:09 pm Why would I check Alison?

chances are very very very high that that's literally the only use for your ability at this point.

this game is actually unplayable oh my god

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:07 pm i mean, we killed New Reno

that's a plus

please tell me you inspected alison last night

i'm seriously considering not placing a vote this phase, p sure i'm cursed at this point

or just bad idk

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:05 pm wait is jaggedjimmyjay actually named after a fallout 2 character

yes

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:03 pm Wait who or what decides ties

Random, unless a certain Slaver is present, in which case they decide.

less than 3h

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:32 pm deciding between two wagons where I don't care if either live is meh

vote rej

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:28 pm I do feel detached, this is accurate.

how do we make you attached then?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 4:12 pm I keep prodding Marmot and he keeps responding, but at no point have I read his responses and thought, “yeah, this is a player making an earnest effort to figure out what’s happening.” It is difficult to describe my impression of him beyond that right now. I just do not feel like he’s giving off the right aura, or something.

this is kind of my impression as well. it's difficult to express eloquently. he seems detached.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:25 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:22 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:21 pm yeah I'm gonna stop tinfoiling ChopChop as town for that Sloonei vote, didn't even notice that

him or Rej w/e someone shoot the other tonight
enclave have doctors and commuters and such. nobody should be attempting to vig the obvious
Rej is vault city.

vault city has a doctor too

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:26 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:22 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:21 pm yeah I'm gonna stop tinfoiling ChopChop as town for that Sloonei vote, didn't even notice that

him or Rej w/e someone shoot the other tonight
enclave have doctors and commuters and such. nobody should be attempting to vig the obvious
What if we have a clever watcher?

clever is not a word i'd throw around in this group of players

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:24 pm Actually we do know that Jagged Jimmy J wanted New Reno (Alison’s faction if she’s telling the truth) dead, but does not care at all about the Slaver (Alison’s faction if falcon was telling the truth). So I’m gonna believe Alison for now.

either she's an enemy to vault city or an enemy to enclave. i think both should shoot her tonight, to be safe.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:22 pm Note that we have no idea what falcon’s flip actually means for alison, so that’s cool.

i think that alison is likely just the slaver. she will likely be solved/killed by vault city anyway

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:21 pm yeah I'm gonna stop tinfoiling ChopChop as town for that Sloonei vote, didn't even notice that

him or Rej w/e someone shoot the other tonight

enclave have doctors and commuters and such. nobody should be attempting to vig the obvious

yeah he would have been conftown if he'd just claimed.
pretty fuckin dumb

just gonna pretend today never happened
[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

lovely

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:54 pm Yep, exhausted all possibilities. Falcon is VC.

falcon could easily be enclave who rolecopped / blocked / tracked / "communications officer"'d alison

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:51 pm There’s another possibility, which someone should breach.

"falcon was eliminated. he was a vanilla townie"

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:47 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:46 pm Another possibility, Falcon is new Reno or whatever is the counterpart to Eldridge
NCR? That's why I asked if he was Westin (NCR).
But if that's the case he's already lying about Alison being a slaver so I don't see why we'd believe him.

To be clear, I'm saying it's possible falcon is Westin with a result of "New Reno" on Alison. If that's the case then I might believe it if he owns up to lying sooner rather than later, but ehhh

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:46 pm Another possibility, Falcon is new Reno or whatever is the counterpart to Eldridge

NCR? That's why I asked if he was Westin (NCR).
But if that's the case he's already lying about Alison being a slaver so I don't see why we'd believe him.

it's very possible that falcon is this role:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Frank Horrigan (guaranteed to appear)

You're a freakish cybernetic mutated monster man, or something like a man, serving at the head of the United States Secret Service. In addition to providing protection for the President, you're tasked with handling certain critical matters on the mainland where pure, unmutated humans should not venture. You're a terrifying motherfucker, and you don't let anyone meet you without understanding that keenly. Semper Fi.

You are the antagonist. You have been primed and constructed to perform a variety of the Enclaves most important and demanding tasks.
You are a 1-shot vigilante. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be killed. This is separate from the Enclave factional kill.
You are a 2-shot role cop. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may select a player. You will be told that player's role.
You are a 1-shot janitor. Once during the game you may elect to janitor your team's factional kill. The killed player's role will not be revealed publicly, but your team will be informed of it privately.
You are a 1-shot doctor. Once during the game during any night phase, you may select a player. That player will be protected from any fatal actions that night.

in which case it is 100% in our interest to eliminate him today. that is a nasty-ass role.

the only thing more ridiculous than this farce is the fact that @Grogu is voting for alison now
come on grogu eliminating the slaver isn't even supposed to be a win condition for you.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:36 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:31 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:26 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:24 pm Falcon just refusing to be transparent and dodging probably makes him Maf lol
I'm not.

Do I have any history of making false claims or plays that even remotely resemble this as Maf, or Town for that matter?
Well you're no Lucky in that department

You don't have much reason not to hardclaim at this point since you've given enough info to whittle down the potential roles if you are town
All hostile factions were given reliable fake characters to claim. If I was Maf, I'd just use my provided fake character to claim.
you haven't even claimed which town role you're supposed to be sooo
Exactly. If I'm Maf, why wouldn't I use my fake role?

if you're town why wouldn't you use your real role????

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:32 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:30 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:27 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:24 pm Falcon just refusing to be transparent and dodging probably makes him Maf lol
doesn't make sense. VC wants to kill slaver and has a role cop, but probably also has a fake claim that matches up with it. Enclave doesn't want Slaver dead
the most obvious answer is that falcon doesn't have an investigative role and is caught in a lie.
he probably blocked alison or something.
The most obvious answer is actually that falcon is right, and Alison is a Slaver.

if you actually have some information that alison is the slaver, it's not obvious at all because you haven't claimed your full role.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:31 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:26 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:24 pm Falcon just refusing to be transparent and dodging probably makes him Maf lol
I'm not.

Do I have any history of making false claims or plays that even remotely resemble this as Maf, or Town for that matter?
Well you're no Lucky in that department

You don't have much reason not to hardclaim at this point since you've given enough info to whittle down the potential roles if you are town
All hostile factions were given reliable fake characters to claim. If I was Maf, I'd just use my provided fake character to claim.

you haven't even claimed which town role you're supposed to be sooo

i don't throw this phrase around lightly, but
falcon is outed mafia guys

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:27 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 1:24 pm Falcon just refusing to be transparent and dodging probably makes him Maf lol
doesn't make sense. VC wants to kill slaver and has a role cop, but probably also has a fake claim that matches up with it. Enclave doesn't want Slaver dead

the most obvious answer is that falcon doesn't have an investigative role and is caught in a lie.
he probably blocked alison or something.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:53 pm What role are you exactly? Because I went through a list of all the cops in the game, and not a single one of them would give you that exact information. Westin only confirms if someone is New Reno or not. Luke tells you if someone has targeted the Slaver, but not if they're the Slaver themselves. Dan McGrew is told if a player is Jagged Jimmy J. John Bishop is told if a player is with the NCR. Orville Wright is told a player's exact role - which means you would know in advance which Slaver I was. AHS-9 would confirm what type of ability I had, or if I had multiple, but not my faction. Every other investigative ability can only be brought into play Night 2 or later (eg. those dispensed by inventors).

Technically Westin would confirm whether or not you're the slaver, since Eldridge is from New Reno. That would also explain why he didn't suspect you until after you claimed dayvig.
@falcon45ca are you claiming Westin?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:00 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:57 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:54 amWhen’s EoD?
about 8.5h

my daughter's first birthday is today so i have to leave the thread at like 5pm. might be able to check in ~15mins before deadline but idk yet.
Happy Birthday to the lil' one!

thanks!

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:58 am
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:56 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:53 am
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:52 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:45 am I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.
i have a feeling that grogu isn't going to be claiming tracker/watcher LOL
Why’s that?
setting aside the likely situation where grogu hasn't read anything all game...
let's say that grogu watches alison and sees only falcon visit her.
even if he's paying close attention and gleans the fact that falcon role-copped alison, why would that make him a wolf in grogu's eyes? that doesn't make any sense. the more rational action for grogu to take there is to back falcon up, not call him a wolf.
Why are you assuming that Grogu is being honest? Look at my push of Alison, tell me you don't believe that I checked her

you didn't start pushing the idea that she was the slaver until after she claimed, so yeah I find it hard to believe that you had a guilty result on her at the start of day.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:54 amWhen’s EoD?

about 8.5h

my daughter's first birthday is today so i have to leave the thread at like 5pm. might be able to check in ~15mins before deadline but idk yet.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:53 am
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:52 am
ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:45 am I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.
i have a feeling that grogu isn't going to be claiming tracker/watcher LOL
Why’s that?

setting aside the likely situation where grogu hasn't read anything all game...
let's say that grogu watches alison and sees only falcon visit her.
even if he's paying close attention and gleans the fact that falcon role-copped alison, why would that make him a wolf in grogu's eyes? that doesn't make any sense. the more rational action for grogu to take there is to back falcon up, not call him a wolf.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:45 am I should be able to confirm Falcon’s check tonight.
Then we can be real Masons if he Legit.

i have a feeling that grogu isn't going to be claiming tracker/watcher LOL

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