The Syndicate

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine
just going to leave this here for now.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:35 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:33 am at the very least you need to claim whom you visited last night @falcon45ca

TSP gets it. I'm pretty sure everyone knows by now, it was Alison.

you're claiming to have role-copped alison and got the Slaver result?

at the very least you need to claim whom you visited last night @falcon45ca

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:27 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:23 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:20 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:29 am

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:28 amOOOOOO MORE SPICE

Sadly that’s all the spice I got. Your move scum @falcon45ca

Why don't you look at my pushes this past RD, I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out

grogu is claiming you are 100% guilty, you should just fullclaim.

As far as I can see, Grogu hasn't said I'm 100% guilty of. I'd like to hear what he has to say I'm guilty of first.

would definitely make it easier for you to choose a fakeclaim eh

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:20 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:29 am

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:28 amOOOOOO MORE SPICE

Sadly that’s all the spice I got. Your move scum @falcon45ca

Why don't you look at my pushes this past RD, I'm sure you'll be able to figure it out

grogu is claiming you are 100% guilty, you should just fullclaim.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 2:22 am Actually, on this note: if Rej is bad, he’s Vault City. Enclave is presumably the bigger team, possibly the bigger threat to the collective town factions. If in an ideal world we could choose between eliminating either an Enclave player or a Vault City player, I would prefer to target the Enclave. Chop is presumably Enclave if he is bad.

how did you get to the conclusion that rej is a vaulter?

Let's not speculate on Grogu's role until falcon claims.

going to bed, hopefully won't wake up to spf shitting all over my reads KNOCK ON WOOD

9_9 what's this

you're too nice marmot

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:47 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:40 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:30 pm hard claim green team I think I am town I guess

i don't think it's really up for debate what he was claiming

Yeah, but this is the correct green color used for this game: #40FF40. Grogu used this one: #40BF40.

found the web developer

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:43 am I can't figure out if I actually lose anything by claiming my faction

enclave probably have a host of potential PR claims and therefore would have a much easier time deducing your role.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:37 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:16 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:09 am Can you explain how you think I TMI'd c4 town? I skimmed some of his ISO and I liked what I saw. Considering the number of players in this game, I didn't feel the need to read his whole ISO. I didn't have time for that. I know you asked me to read him more in depth, but again, I didn't have the time (or really much interest either).

That's not really tmi.

tmi isn't the right expression i guess. more like, the impression i got was that you set c4 aside. convincing other people of your read on him wasn't important, the votes on him weren't concerning, etc. it felt like you were satisfied to simply answer that you town-read him, without taking that read to the next step and doing something with it.

I guess I don't see anything wrong with that. I was satisfied with his content, so I'm going to hunt for scum elsewhere.

i'm not putting a ton of stock in it btw. the more i think about the reasoning for my read on you the less sense it makes, and i'll admit i don't have a great handle on the game state atm and am mostly waiting for more flips.
definitely also taking into account that i misread you twice in the video maf games we played.
there's a reason i have you as a tier-two read anyway, on par with the guy whose main offence is being suspected by the enclave kill.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:30 pm hard claim green team I think I am town I guess

i don't think it's really up for debate what he was claiming

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:35 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:31 am @staypositivefriend i showed you my reads please respond

you didn't read me damnit but yes I'll coast

leaning town

@staypositivefriend i showed you my reads please respond

@staypositivefriend are you around

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:13 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:10 am What role-related stuff did Grogu do?

He claimed to be green i.e. one of the "somewhat" town roles on D0, I think that's all

this. not worth sorting grogu yet.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:09 am Can you explain how you think I TMI'd c4 town? I skimmed some of his ISO and I liked what I saw. Considering the number of players in this game, I didn't feel the need to read his whole ISO. I didn't have time for that. I know you asked me to read him more in depth, but again, I didn't have the time (or really much interest either).

That's not really tmi.

tmi isn't the right expression i guess. more like, the impression i got was that you set c4 aside. convincing other people of your read on him wasn't important, the votes on him weren't concerning, etc. it felt like you were satisfied to simply answer that you town-read him, without taking that read to the next step and doing something with it.

KZA wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:06 am

Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:04 am if nobody has any further questions i'll go back to coasting thanks

please stop excluding me

ok you are welcome to coast too

if nobody has any further questions i'll go back to coasting thanks

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:55 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am Vice President Daniel Bird

You're one heartbeat away from the American Presidency, and frankly, that's not something that many Enclave citizens or troops find encouraging. P-O-T-A-T-O-E

You are a 1-shot long commuter. They don't let you out of your office much, but that makes it very difficult for others to reach you. Once during the game during any night phase, you may enact this ability to be unaffected by any night actions targeting you. If you do so, you may not perform the factional kill either that night phase or the next.

Separately, you are a 2-shot messenger. At least you can still communicate from your terminal. Twice during the game during any separate night phases, you may craft a personal message. You may then select a player to receive that message from the host the following day phase. The message can be anything you want.

If you've got this role, you are almost obligated to pretend to be one of the civilian roles with the messenger ability. So I struggle to award Chop any points for using it in a way that a civilian allegedly would. What other choice does he have?

As far as claiming he sent the message to Daisy, a Mafia ChopChop could have believed that Daisy had already or soon would identify him as the messenger. That is a difficult spot, and I could easily see a wolf in that position thinking it better to get out ahead of the claim if he thinks he is already incriminated.

i guarantee you that scum got enough VT claims to go around, he wasn't forced to pretend to be a messenger at all. plus, the other ability is strictly better.

here are some reads, delivered as promised:

Alison, ChopChop, DaughterOfOmega, Grogu are all being given passes due to role-related stuff.
I had some suspicion of Alison pre-claim due to some stuff from d1. In particular, she pushed both c4 and bo, was suspected by esooa, and I felt like she was trying to pocket me a little bit with the whole "oh no we're on the same page something is wrong ha ha" thing. Additionally, the mac read late d1 was pretty bad / shallow; that's what got me looking at alison to begin with.

Esooa pushed a few people d1, but at EoD she was most suspicious of Bo, Alison, Dom and ChopChop. Of these, we can remove Bo and Alison, and I really don't think Esooa is the kill if the enclave are specifically looking to protect ChopChop.
So from a straight kill-analysis perspective, Dom looks the most guilty. His absence from the thread so far is worrisome as well. His d1 did look genuine even if he was pushing a townie (c4) and someone I think is probably town (spf), but kill analysis is definitely a thing.

falcon45ca seemed fine d1, but recently my view of him has gotten a bit more negative. I really do feel like the vote on Alison was a way to sneakily remove his vote from Rej. Tinfoil aside, his focus on Alison throughout the day and his declaration of Grogu as his third-top suspect both ping me a little bit. If Rej flips enclave I would look more closely here.

Marmot kind of TMI'd c4 as town on d1 I think. He never really interacted with c4 at all, and just decided that he was town. He also promoted the BoKnows wagon but never voted there, which is a big red flag for me. He also was voting ChopChop for a while on d1, but refrained from doing the same d2 even while saying that he still thought ChopChop was mafia. I think that if Chop is enclave, I'd look sternly in Marmot's direction foremost.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME is playing his town game, pretty sure. Can't say much more than that it's meta-based.

Poison I still think is likely enclave. She popped in at some point d2 to make a few jokes and sit on ChopChop's fence. She also spent some time specifically looking for vault city members. There are also more questions than conclusions. Like I just read her iso and I have absolutely no idea what her reads are supposed to be. I would be down to yeet this whenever.

Rej just pops in whenever he's mentioned and says nothing of import. Probably enclave. I deeply regret placing what was probably the deciding vote to save him yesterday.

staypositivefriend seems town. I had a slight maf read on her at the start of d1 which I continued throughout the day mostly to annoy her but also because I felt that there was partner indicators between her and c4 at the beginning of the game. Esooa also had a town read on her so I'm comfortable to sheep that for the next few days regardless.

TonyStarkPrime I don't have a strong read either way, probably slightly further on the town side. I'm not interested in solving him any time soon, just mentioning him because someone specifically asked me for my read. I do think that he might be enclave with Poison due to some of the interactions there, but there's mostly interactions from Poison's direction so I wouldn't be interested in continuing that line of thought unless Poison flips enclave.

tl;dr:
Alison, ChopChop, Grogu, DoO, Nanook, spf town of varying degrees.
Rej & Poison primary enclave suspects.
Marmot & Dom are secondary suspects.
falcon tertiary suspect.
No strong reads on the other players.

Hot take: falcon voted alison bc he didn't want to be voting for rej any more.
Oh look rej and chop are tied now

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:12 pm Also I have hair

I had a full beard when I was 23, it was glorious
Sadly it was not meant to be

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:10 pm I'm borrowing my wife's phone to see if I like it before ordering a new one (I've used two iPhones for the last decade so I'm a bit set in my ways) and while it does seem pretty nice outside of the location of some stuff on the keyboard throwing me off the relevant information here is that now her phone will autocorrect to omgus which I think is super

iPhones are definitely better from a hardware & OS perspective.
You certainly pay for it though.

Nanook i committed to explaining my reads but now i don't want to do it anymore

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:35 am Yeah Sloon I already looked over that trying to figure out if there was some way a town would know that Esooa might die. I couldn't see one so the omission of Esooa among instructions about what I should say about Bo voters looked bad. But Chop's response doesn't look bad.

Ok she did mention it was about bo voters, guess i missed that.
Glad we had this talk

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:40 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:35 pm for context, the reason i was pressuring chop to summarize his message is because i thought it was suspicious that spacedaisy was able to pick out the fact that esooa was missing from a reads list.
like if i get a list of 24 people, i'm not checking to make sure each and every one of them is there.
if chop had said something like "i said x, y, z, a, b, c were town and d, e, f, g were mafia and h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, q were null" i would be really suspicious of the daisy/chop potential big brain play.

I thought it was at least partially clear from the context of the conversation around the claim that Daisy had received a limited list of players which should have included Esooa but did not. I do not remember specifics, but it seemed like the focus was on the BoKnows wagon.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 2:16 am Yo, to whoever sent me the message last night, I don't know why I should trust you. See you slipped up and skipped over Esooa in your recap. How did you Esooa was gonna die last night and not be relevant to the conversation? If you were Luke you wouldn't have known. I call bullshit on your message and your attempt to solicit a role claim from me.

she didn't mention anything like that no

for context, the reason i was pressuring chop to summarize his message is because i thought it was suspicious that spacedaisy was able to pick out the fact that esooa was missing from a reads list.
like if i get a list of 24 people, i'm not checking to make sure each and every one of them is there.
if chop had said something like "i said x, y, z, a, b, c were town and d, e, f, g were mafia and h, i, j, k, l, m, n, o, q were null" i would be really suspicious of the daisy/chop potential big brain play.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:14 pm Urist has been talking about ChopChop and nothing but ChopChop for the last few dozen posts, with the main exception being to complain about an SPF push against him and support exeing Rej (who's the alternative to ChopChop). I am fine with him personally townreading ChopChop and can see where he would do it as town. My main concern is that in the meantime he isn't producing any content.

Urist, in order to assauge my concerns that you're using this as a smokescreen to avoid taking stances on other players, I would like you to give me a quick rundown on how you feel about the players in this game. A full readslist would be good, but if not, at least outline your stance on some areas of controversy (Mac, Nanook, Marmot, etc.)

am planning on doing that + responding to spf's concerns later tonight when i have time to focus

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:08 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:06 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:02 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:00 pm alison, i'll assume for the sake of argument that chopchop is enclave.
what is the benefit to executing him today?
...
is there some other benefit to eliminating him that i'm not thinking of?

You mean besides the part where eliminating the Enclave is literally our primary goal in the game?

tbh i'm not convinced that eliminating chopchop furthers that goal either but who cares what i think

We were supposed to be assuming he’s enclave in this thought exercise.

the thought exercise is supposed to support my argument tho

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:02 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 8:00 pm alison, i'll assume for the sake of argument that chopchop is enclave.
what is the benefit to executing him today?
...
is there some other benefit to eliminating him that i'm not thinking of?

You mean besides the part where eliminating the Enclave is literally our primary goal in the game?

tbh i'm not convinced that eliminating chopchop furthers that goal either but who cares what i think

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:39 pm What is the base probability that a townie forgets to list the name of someone on a wagon they are investigating, and that person just so happens to be the scum nightkill?

Is it 1 in 10? 1 in 50? 1 in 100?

Because even if you buy that he wouldn't out like this as scum, he wouldn't do X or Y, you still have to contend with that rock bottom base probability. No matter what.

I don't think that probability is high enough for me to want to keep Chop alive. And as mentioned, I don't want them in a critical scenario like FX.

alison, i'll assume for the sake of argument that chopchop is enclave.
what is the benefit to executing him today?
we don't get closer to solving the game.
we don't eliminate a powerful enclave role (in fact, if he is enclave, his role is useless now because nobody will believe his messages and nobody is going to be targeting someone who could be a commuter).
is there some other benefit to eliminating him that i'm not thinking of?

look, i've defended him most of the game, but i'll admit i wouldn't be totally shocked if he flips enclave. spacedaisy is a super strange choice for a target, esp when he mentions in the message that he trusts me. his actions have been totally irrational, as sloonei says. i'm not discounting the possibility.
however, i do see how he could be taking these actions as town, and given the limited benefit to eliminating him today, i think we should aim elsewhere.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:41 pm Let's assume ChopChop is mafia. How do his teammate's respond to this situation?

avoid committing one way or the other and try to get on the wagon early if it looks like he's going down

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:28 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:25 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:22 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:22 pm i don't understand how anyone is scumreading chopchop after he outright posted the message he sent spacedaisy lol
scum just would not do that

Why not?

it allows us to see the "slip". without seeing the exact text, we can only go on what spacedaisy said about how egregious the slip was. and she was town-reading chopchop.
i think if chop was mafia he could simply give some summary that makes him look good, and i doubt daisy would complain.

I do not see it this way. I don't think revealing the message changes a whole lot about my perception of the event. It could be done out of an attempt at transparency on chop's part, or it could just be a nervous reaction, or he thought Daisy was gonna do it first. I think "giving a summary" would be riskier because then he runs the risk of Daisy calling him out and reversing her town stance on him.

i'll admit that those are possibilities. i think the most likely scenario though is that chopchop is town who screwed up and is trying to clear the air. it's not like he's in "full defense" mode either, he's still contributing.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:25 pm then sure. i don't need you to engage with me specifically but ive been looking to hear the reasoning behind your reads and your progressions for most of the game

i have to go make dinner, but tonight i will go over some stuff with you.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:22 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:22 pm i don't understand how anyone is scumreading chopchop after he outright posted the message he sent spacedaisy lol
scum just would not do that

Why not?

it allows us to see the "slip". without seeing the exact text, we can only go on what spacedaisy said about how egregious the slip was. and she was town-reading chopchop.
i think if chop was mafia he could simply give some summary that makes him look good, and i doubt daisy would complain.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:19 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:17 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:17 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:10 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:09 pm i think that urist is scum

Why, and which team?

see the below posts:

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm still think rej is the better execute.
it's possible he is the enclave doctor after all

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:12 pm here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:41 am ngl i'm slowly buying into the theory that chopchop and spacedaisy are both wolves

none of his reads or his takes today feel authentic or soulful or like theyre coming from the thought process of someone who is carefully evaluating the game. his push on alison that he shortly dropped after is weird. his belief that chopchop/space are both scum that he then immediately dropped in favor of defending chop is weird. his reasoning for wanting to chop rej over chopchop is weird. his energy today compared to d2 is dramatically different, and not in a way that i particularly like. he feels somewhat deflated and like he doesn't know where to take his solving or how to position himself in the thread

he would probably be on whatever team chopchop is on, since he's been soft defending him for a while now

why are you hardtunneling me

i'm vengeful, like batman

do you want me to actually engage you this game
like would that be worth my time to do or are you just going to take it and say "nah he's still prob maf"

if you engage with me then i will listen to you

i think you should do what's gonna help you solve the game the most

it would 100% be solely for your benefit, that's why i ask.

i don't understand how anyone is scumreading chopchop after he outright posted the message he sent spacedaisy lol
scum just would not do that

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:18 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:17 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:10 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:09 pm i think that urist is scum

Why, and which team?

see the below posts:

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm still think rej is the better execute.
it's possible he is the enclave doctor after all

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:12 pm here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:41 am ngl i'm slowly buying into the theory that chopchop and spacedaisy are both wolves

none of his reads or his takes today feel authentic or soulful or like theyre coming from the thought process of someone who is carefully evaluating the game. his push on alison that he shortly dropped after is weird. his belief that chopchop/space are both scum that he then immediately dropped in favor of defending chop is weird. his reasoning for wanting to chop rej over chopchop is weird. his energy today compared to d2 is dramatically different, and not in a way that i particularly like. he feels somewhat deflated and like he doesn't know where to take his solving or how to position himself in the thread

he would probably be on whatever team chopchop is on, since he's been soft defending him for a while now

why are you hardtunneling me

Talk about ChopChop please and thanks.

almost certainly town

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:17 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:17 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:10 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:09 pm i think that urist is scum

Why, and which team?

see the below posts:

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm still think rej is the better execute.
it's possible he is the enclave doctor after all

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:12 pm here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:41 am ngl i'm slowly buying into the theory that chopchop and spacedaisy are both wolves

none of his reads or his takes today feel authentic or soulful or like theyre coming from the thought process of someone who is carefully evaluating the game. his push on alison that he shortly dropped after is weird. his belief that chopchop/space are both scum that he then immediately dropped in favor of defending chop is weird. his reasoning for wanting to chop rej over chopchop is weird. his energy today compared to d2 is dramatically different, and not in a way that i particularly like. he feels somewhat deflated and like he doesn't know where to take his solving or how to position himself in the thread

he would probably be on whatever team chopchop is on, since he's been soft defending him for a while now

why are you hardtunneling me

i'm vengeful, like batman

do you want me to actually engage you this game
like would that be worth my time to do or are you just going to take it and say "nah he's still prob maf"

KZA wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:18 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:17 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:10 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:09 pm i think that urist is scum

Why, and which team?

see the below posts:

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm still think rej is the better execute.
it's possible he is the enclave doctor after all

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:12 pm here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:41 am ngl i'm slowly buying into the theory that chopchop and spacedaisy are both wolves

none of his reads or his takes today feel authentic or soulful or like theyre coming from the thought process of someone who is carefully evaluating the game. his push on alison that he shortly dropped after is weird. his belief that chopchop/space are both scum that he then immediately dropped in favor of defending chop is weird. his reasoning for wanting to chop rej over chopchop is weird. his energy today compared to d2 is dramatically different, and not in a way that i particularly like. he feels somewhat deflated and like he doesn't know where to take his solving or how to position himself in the thread

he would probably be on whatever team chopchop is on, since he's been soft defending him for a while now

why are you hardtunneling me

You're being dramatic there

i'm not being dramatic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:14 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:10 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:09 pm i think that urist is scum

Why, and which team?

see the below posts:

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:18 pm still think rej is the better execute.
it's possible he is the enclave doctor after all

Urist wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 11:12 pm here's a spicy take

[VOTE: alison] aubergine

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:41 am ngl i'm slowly buying into the theory that chopchop and spacedaisy are both wolves

none of his reads or his takes today feel authentic or soulful or like theyre coming from the thought process of someone who is carefully evaluating the game. his push on alison that he shortly dropped after is weird. his belief that chopchop/space are both scum that he then immediately dropped in favor of defending chop is weird. his reasoning for wanting to chop rej over chopchop is weird. his energy today compared to d2 is dramatically different, and not in a way that i particularly like. he feels somewhat deflated and like he doesn't know where to take his solving or how to position himself in the thread

he would probably be on whatever team chopchop is on, since he's been soft defending him for a while now

why are you hardtunneling me

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:21 pm can the doctor self protect?

no

still think rej is the better execute.
it's possible he is the enclave doctor after all

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:17 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:16 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.

enclave can potentially have a doctor, fyi

hm.

that changes things

actually they're guaranteed to have a one-shot doctor

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:13 pm The advantage of exeing Rej and vigging Chop instead of the other way around is that if Rej is scum (which is likely) we get to force mafia to decide if they want to risk saving him again and potentially outing to save a LHF teammate, or just letting him die in which case we take that pelt to the bank. Making the mafia make difficult decisions is good. With Chop there's no decision they're all just going to pile on and it'll be a 15 vote wagon and we learn nothing.

If there's no vig then we're ~always going to go Chop and Rej the next two days and the order isn't super important. Also if Rej is holding an important scum role we get to stop him from using it tonight.

So it seems mech optimal to exe Rej first if we're confident he's scum.

enclave can potentially have a doctor, fyi

i would actually be down for executing rej today