The Syndicate

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:12 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:11 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:09 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:08 pm i love u too

but your actions must have consequences.

Please tell me we're playing every other game ever together.

ily mp7

did u join the ambidals zoo game? ill be playing there as well as macdougall's game

I'm in both (probably against the better judgment of my schedule, but whatever, right?), so yay!

Looking forward to playing with you both again as well. I agree that we should find each other as town next time. :P

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 2:08 pm My favorite quote is this:

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:28 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 11:24 pm Mmk i'm gonna go with
Protocultures
M plus 7
Jeraldooo
Michelle
Lavender
Alison
1612
Dizzy
Cobbler
Reasons may or may not come, i'll try for tomorrow

This is from scummiest to towniest, right? o.o

linki

When I was in a position to unironically be shocked the three scum could possibly not be the three towniest.

I am 100% open to criticism btw, if anyone wants to vent to/at/on me. I'm well aware I played like ass this game.

I'm glad my prophecy about 1612 being the only scum on Nanook's wagon came true, although that might have been the only thing I was right on.

And of course, thanks to [mention]dunya[/mention] and [mention]juliets[/mention] for hosting!

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:27 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:37 pm i can't see cobbler as scum sorry. i think he might be the only person i'd never yeet.
so yeah he's probably scum /s

this was was/is quite funny too

And of course I said this to cobbler's partner LOL
how embarrassing.

Changing the vote twice at DL was what lost us the game imo. The last-minute decisions are so so anti-town.

GG mafia, you played well. Town was a total mess and you took advantage of it. Special mention to Dizzy for openwolfing with his votes at deadline, dunno why we let you get away with that.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Tue Jul 21, 2020 1:53 am hmn also should we like define an order of who we want to vote first? I'm okay with Michelle voting first, but what happens after that?

I'll tell you after I see whom Michelle votes.

Alright I'll give you a few hours, please place a vote by the time I wake up or I'll be voting you

[mention]Michelle[/mention] are you going to vote for MP7?

1612 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:13 pm I would be more worried about the traction of speed/jeraldoo. For Michelle, I don't see a world where I get off and consider other teams without her, I just can't see it

do you rly have to get off that bad tho

i've been incredibly lazy, don't even lie

everyone seems to be ok with banishing michelle today should i be worried?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:40 pm Actually, I have to stop myself, and I have to go to bed like right now as I have to get up at some point tomorrow and it's too late already. What sucks is that I'll be pretty busy tomorrow in general, and I don't know how much time I'll have to hang out in thread.

it's fine i think the banishment is locked today anyway

alison wanted us to banish michelle so obviously if we lose then this loss is all her fault

i'm not super interested in investing a ton of time into associations before michelle flips though, i have my tinfoil hat in the closet and i'll pull it out if the occasion demands it. for all i know it's dizzy/carot/speedchuck and i'm exactly wrong on the team. certainly wouldn't be out of character for me this game.

how crazy would that be tho, if mp7 switches from 1612 to lav at the last second yesterday to save her buddy

Michelle, 1612 and M+7 is my dream team
as in it's the team that haunts me in my sleep

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:31 pm

1612 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:24 pmare you really still taking me out of context??

@Dyslexicon, give me your reads on me ASIDE from michelle right now. You've been avoiding that question for a loooong time. Give me your views on my iso'd logs, my reaction to tutu's reaction test.

How did I take it out of context? Did you not imply that I was setting you up for next misyeet for a Michelle scum flip? Or what did you mean?

But also, fair. I'll read your iso.

When he said that "you are bussing and setting me up for the next day" there was an implication that you are scum with Michelle; you're misinterpreting him

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:21 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 8:17 pm Michelle should place the first vote today imo. And she should do it soon, whenever she comes on. I don't want another deadline scramble.

Michelle is probably sleeping now.

yeah that's fine, assuming she doesn't show up at like 6pm tomorrow we good

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:52 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:49 pm I'll probably just vote for Michelle today.

I read through her iso. Can you tell me what you think of her handling of 1612 this game, in her iso? Same question to @M Plus 7

It looks bad for Michelle but doesn't have any bearing on 1612's alignment imo. (Assuming we banish Michelle and she flips scum) any of her opinions of other players could easily be distancing or just trying to banish a townie. She lacks passion in all of her reads.
Even the defense against Alison was mostly accusatory, but there was no vote from Michelle on Alison until she was directly prompted.

Michelle should place the first vote today imo. And she should do it soon, whenever she comes on. I don't want another deadline scramble.

I'll probably just vote for Michelle today.

i certainly won't be the first one voting

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 1:37 pm I don't know when you were in the D1 towncore. You were nearly executed and the only person who expressed strong trust in you was I think nanook. I think you are the Godfather and I really dislike your pushes this phase.

When I said "our" towncore I meant mine and Dizzy's.
You know that I am probably going to vote for Michelle tomorrow yeah? The window to banish 1612 has passed (for now), that's why I was so upset that it landed on Lavender.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:50 am

stressed depressed lemon zest

Urist wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:34 am (M+7 was on both wagons, but joined Lav early so doesn't really count).

This should say "joined Lav late".

And yeah we could be making it more difficult than it actually is. If we take our tinfoil hats off for a second, we can double down on our d1 towncore, which was Carot, Dizzy, myself and MP7. That'd leave Michelle, 1612, and speedchuck. Which doesn't seem so crazy to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:16 am

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:27 pm I'm just... not going to post tonight. We should have banished 1612 today. That's it.

And if 1612 is town?

I'd have a better solve today.
I'm done being a whiny bitch though so let's move on.
I'm also going to read Michelle today. I still think that if 1612 is mafia, there was probably a buddy on the Lav & Urist wagons that made him comfortable posting hard town reads on us. Michelle is the only common link there I think (M+7 was on both wagons, but joined Lav early so doesn't really count).

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:15 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 10:09 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:56 pm I do have a very real suspicion that speed was on a vanity wagon because they didn't want to push their buddy but didn't want to be caught on the Lavender wagon.

If your theory is making the assumptions that 1612 is town and Michelle is scum, the theory is useless because you've already solved the game with the assumptions. :P

No, even if the assumptions are true, I still have to solve the rest of the scum team. Also, the only assumption required to get to "speedraldo is scum" is "Michelle is scum".

And if 1612 is scum as well?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:56 pm I do have a very real suspicion that speed was on a vanity wagon because they didn't want to push their buddy but didn't want to be caught on the Lavender wagon.

If your theory is making the assumptions that 1612 is town and Michelle is scum, the theory is useless because you've already solved the game with the assumptions. :P

Here's the vanity wagons from before we consolidated on Lav/1612. Not sure how helpful you'll find it with no scum flips but there ya go.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:02 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 8:27 pm I'm just... not going to post tonight. We should have banished 1612 today. That's it.

Why aren't you going to post tonight? It's not like you're waiting on the info borne from the NK - we know it's going to be me. If you're town, I suggest you help solve the game and persuade people as to why your scumreads are correct, rather than intentionally refusing to contribute.

I meant this rl night. I guess it's not night for you so makes sense you would think game night, anyway...
To be honest I am totally demoralized and I need some time to ruminate on this and recoup my spirits a little. I think the chances of us winning are very slim at this point. I think that Lavender wasn't a great banishment and I feel like I have very little to go on from a town flip there. I'm not confident at all in any of my reads. It's very difficult at the moment for me to do anything with the Lav flip because he wasn't really in my top 3. I'm not even confident that 1612 is mafia, but I felt that if we'd flipped him I would have a solid read on mp7. I didn't want to banish Nanook d1 either so I feel a very real lack of control rn. There are a dozen little things.

Whatever, I'll be back before d4 starts. This is me right now:

I'm just... not going to post tonight. We should have banished 1612 today. That's it.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 7:23 pm If Lavender was town, I'd expect mafia to be pretty comfy during the EOD. So I think this looks good for 1612 actually - he doesn't even have to post during EOD, he could easily have rested on his laurels, come in the next day and collected his towncred for being right about Lavender the next day. The frantic posting from him doesn't look like mafia watching a town get hammered before their eyes. It could be self-pres, but even so, the frustration when it became clear we were going to execute Lavender looks good.

Players who this implicates: speed, ted, Urist. All of them had a laidback attitude throughout the previous day, although replacements might have affected this (it really was a bad time to have replacements, honestly).

1612 was tied with Lavender. The only reason he'd have to be relaxed is if his scum buddies were *not* on Lavender.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:54 pm I'm giving mp7 the benefit of the doubt today and voting 1612... if 1612 does flip town then a mp7/lav universe seems probable.
Like i know people are saying "omg she's so solvy" but the reality is that her reads and vote aren't actually changing so it could all easily be surface-level jibberjabber

Excuse me? You know what though, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion, hehe.

I'm doing less than skimming the thread so take that opinion with a grain of salt tbh tbh

Dizzy can you just place your vote now jesus

Also obligatory 7pm is terrible for me post goes here

I'm giving mp7 the benefit of the doubt today and voting 1612... if 1612 does flip town then a mp7/lav universe seems probable.
Like i know people are saying "omg she's so solvy" but the reality is that her reads and vote aren't actually changing so it could all easily be surface-level jibberjabber

[mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] change vote in poll pls

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 6:22 pm I have to vote lavendar here, this sucks it really does. none of the two in questions are even here to give me something to work with or talk about

Well maybe you should have voted sooner

1612 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:41 pm I love how Urist and Mp7 are voting WITH jeraldoo(speed), what is this gameplay?
Please vote Michelle tomorrow and please take a GOOD look on Lavendar and reconsider. I really am confident in this read I have on Lavendar and don't see the world Michelle is pushing

The only thing I asked of you is to place a vote because that's how I form reads most reliably, you refused to do that so I have no choice but to read you by flipping you.

I srsly cannot read fast enough to catch up

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:43 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 4:40 pmThat's what I was thinking... if Lavender is wolfing here and 1612 and jeraldo are both town, then I actually better understand what Lavender is doing today from a "I want to win the game as a wolf" perspective.

Otherwise, if his wolfmates are the other ones in the POE, what the fuck is he doing?

I was actually considering the possibility of Lav/you. Cause his accusation of you doesn't make any sense, but he's really adamant about it. And this is where his vote is going. I'm trying not to tinfoil you, but I think that is a possibility. What do you think of that?

Accurate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:18 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:53 pm I will say that 1612's behaviour is + partner equity with Lav.

I do agree with this. I was considering the "would a teammate defend his partner this hard?" angle, but considering the game state, he probably would, also considering they are friends and 1612 seems like a nice person who would want to be a good teammate. That is kind of speculation, but that's the vibe I get =p

The thing that imo makes it + partner equity is refusing to push another wagon, it seems like he wants to defend Lav while not getting caught pushing anyone else.

There are 9 players in the game with 4 votes placed.

[mention]1612[/mention] [mention]Dyslexicon[/mention] [mention]M Plus 7[/mention] [mention]speedchuck[/mention]

Y'all should vote, dl is in 5h

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jul 19, 2020 9:38 am Let's see if I get this from skimming

All power roles dead (except Godfather according to the matrix, which is useless atm)
Alison confirmed town by D0 peek
Dizzy and MP checked as town, could technically be godfather?

Juicy cop interactions through all N2.

Am I missing anything? And also why was LC the uncontested vote D1?

You're a little off...

LC / Nanook was tied with myself at 6 votes at eod d1.
Alison was n0'd, I'm n1 green. Dizzy and mp7 were not checked.

Actually 1612 refusing to try to save Lavender despite townreading him is scummy regardless of Lav's alignment. You guys sure you don't want to banish 1612 first instead?

I will say that 1612's behaviour is + partner equity with Lav.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:48 pm Lavender is unlikely to be wolf with either Michelle or Urist, but if Lavender flips wolf, 1612 is strongly implicated. This suggests that Lavender is the best exe, since a wolf flip helps sort Michelle and Urist, and helps catch his partner. On the other hand, a townflip would give a strong lead on Michelle, since I do not get the impression that Lavender/Michelle was V/V. This suggests that Lavender is both the likeliest to be wolf and also provides the highest information execute today.

I have questions for you but it's probably best I leave them for nightchat.
Being able to talk during night sure is interesting, not sure I'd like it much if I were scum.