The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:46 pm I wanna hear from Oddmerta.

Can I bet on what he has to say?

I knew that Dya but was hoping to bait someone.

Nice shot.

Same thing applies right...a counterclaim means maf is one in two.

I'd hope a maf would lie here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:42 pm Anyone who claims post cap today is town unless they are cc'd in which case we have a 50/50 so mafia can't 50/50 with three dead. Ergo just town. It'll either be Alison or nobody.

Also taking the first claim for JPIC death as a confirm.

I dunno on the first claim.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 9:39 pm btw, the JPIC flip should confirm me as lock town. i will not accept being SR'd past this point

You're obv wolf.

Great game Hally! Tip one for me.

Ouch.

[VOTE: Radishes] aubergine

Why Radishes?

Nice shot vig!

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 7:08 pm would he be this laid back while his team was getting destroyed?

Maybe?

If he thinks of himself as a good deep wolf/lone wolf type I'm sure he wouldn't feel like loosing a couple pack mates is the end of the world. At F3 it only takes one wolf to win.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:04 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 5:59 pm can someone who trs ted explain what they see in him? im just Not getting good vibes from him so far even if his avatar is cute

As someone who just lost to mafia Ted he's playing nearly the exact same game.

As someone who just won against mafia Ted...yeah there too.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:03 pm This game is now annoying.

Spending a little while on night 2 doing some 3p hunting isn't a big deal especially since I had concluded Sprityo interaction analysis anyway. It's not like the whole thread is oogity boogity over the 3p. Dyachei just do whatever you want.

Also Tutuu please don't try to wreck my JPIC plan. I explained the plan at length. If we let him check people who are in the POE in this gamestate he can just bus.

How long do we let him live if he keeps coming back with the expected green checks and the wolves don't kill him is the complicated question, but I like your plan.

Hally is a Sloonei alt.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:54 pm lets kill everyone \o/

I'm telling ya, 19 shot rapid fire strong man vig gun and I got this thing SOLVED.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:49 pm maybe ted should just kill one of JPIC/nanook in the night so we can all stop talking about this and hunt for the scum in the upper POE

I vote Nanook.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:37 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:34 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:28 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:42 pm right the post capper. we assume its a wolf action?

what if its a town negative utility action by nanook or jpic and they couldnt have claimed it due to restriction?

what if its fake report from sprityo?

eh whatever

even if they couldn’t claim i think they would have alluded to it if either were town

and i don’t think it can be a fake report. that’s not what a report is really. report is like from an investigative i think. sprit was like a tailor basically as far as i can tell

Interestingly, you provide the perfect example. I've considered "post cap could be a side effect of being watched" and I know you are claim restricted...but I also trust that you'd have said things like "let's not get so wound up in this post cap thing" or supported people saying that it could be just a side effect.

I don't think the wolves sent two people to Mac. I think they sent one and the 3P is the post capper and that the post cap is also a mark for later destruction.

well i think we’ll find out about the post capper soon because it very likely can only be nook or jpic. if we find out its neither of them it means it was an undetectable ability. i don’t see the point of thinking too hard about it now

I'm not wanting to kill JPIC. I do want to kill Nanook (no offense bruh) but I'm kinda bought in on JPIC as town cop. Like enough that I'm seriously entertaining ninja 3P post capper if it isn't Nanook.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:38 pm the idea that i both watched and post capped mac is pretty lol though

i’ve caught two wolves and am very likely dying immediately. so i wouldn’t worry tim

I know. I also volunteered my song title which probably makes me vulnerable to who knows what, and have attracted a number of tunnelers that may well include a town vig that imagines themselves as the hero that stopped Tim's evil master plan so I expect to be having cocktails with you in spec chat where we can really laugh about it.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:30 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:10 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:05 pm tbh i feel less good about radishes than i do odd and poison so idk if he should be there. maybe one lower

Radishes is an uncountered doc claim on a night with no kill though. I kinda have to put him pretty high.

yea but there are other ways kills could be stopped. there’s too many unknowns for me to treat him as lock. he doesn’t have the thread presence for it. but i do doubt he’s scum. he’s just not like in the lock tier

True. The flip side is that no one has pushed him. If you were a doc (or jail keeper) who protected someone and might also have prevented the kill I know you wouldn't necessarily want to just out for a claim war, but wouldn't you at least be probing in Radishes direction here? Near as I can tell everyone just said, "oh, okay, so that's where the kill went, makes sense" and got on to other business.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:28 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:42 pm right the post capper. we assume its a wolf action?

what if its a town negative utility action by nanook or jpic and they couldnt have claimed it due to restriction?

what if its fake report from sprityo?

eh whatever

even if they couldn’t claim i think they would have alluded to it if either were town

and i don’t think it can be a fake report. that’s not what a report is really. report is like from an investigative i think. sprit was like a tailor basically as far as i can tell

Interestingly, you provide the perfect example. I've considered "post cap could be a side effect of being watched" and I know you are claim restricted...but I also trust that you'd have said things like "let's not get so wound up in this post cap thing" or supported people saying that it could be just a side effect.

I don't think the wolves sent two people to Mac. I think they sent one and the 3P is the post capper and that the post cap is also a mark for later destruction.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:24 pm going to be a bit of a hypocrite here and respond to tim's post even though I said to minimize posting

tracker on mac is an even worse fake claim than alignment cop on mac. at least with the latter you can claim you were paranoid. absolutely no reason to track him

Meh. Paranoia is a universal motive. Tracker is a better claim because it doesn't put you in the "okay if true you will be killed instantly by wolves so that buys you one day at best" range.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:17 pm hot take: people who aren't actively catching up should minimize their posts to like 4 or 5 a day at most so people who are can catch up easily

Counter...a fair number of people are not likely to survive SoD and should contribute as much as possible.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:10 pm The simple fact that we know there's a mafia rolecop and we have a cop with a check on Mac coming out just screams mafia to me.

Maybe it's bias but maybe it's just occam's razor.

Why would town jpic go to Mac when he was town reading him instead of choosing two of his nulls at his own will.

Like, come on. Seriously.

No matter how much he'd be trying to solve here ; nobody has yet to give an actual answer to this.

If you are a mafia rolecop and you are caught by a watcher, the easiest thing to do is claim alignment cop when you're mafia rolecop.

I'm willing to yeet a potential town cop when the "coincidences" are so glaring to fit my theory.

We have 2 mafia roles left, yeah? 1 of them is mafia role cop confirmed by Poison. We know the other is a post capper.

I really don't know why I have to be talking about this. It would be very lame if both nanook and jpic are wolves but it is very probable that's the case lol.

feel free to poke holes in my case because I do miss things and it's late.

First hole...the fact that we know there is a mafia role cop suggests that there may very well be a town alignment cop. Once you start putting in cops, why stop? Far more fun when they can get in a counterclaim fest. Which we have not seen.

Second hole...there is really no accounting for what a cop role might do. I like to believe I know what I would do, but even that doesn't tell me what someone else will do. The champs setup has run fourteen times plus some practice games and SCI...and no one yet really knows what "the right thing" to do as a JOAT is. I'm not saying I would have checked Mac here...but I know I'd have considered it.

Third hole...the easiest fake claim for a mafia role cop is actually tracker. You just role checked someone and as long as their role doesn't involve going anywhere you just say "tracker but he didn't move."

And yeah you miscounted the remaining wolves.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:05 pm tbh i feel less good about radishes than i do odd and poison so idk if he should be there. maybe one lower

Radishes is an uncountered doc claim on a night with no kill though. I kinda have to put him pretty high.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:51 pm Meh I was considering making a case but I don't think I'm buying too much into Wilgy being scum at the moment.

Sadly, there was a huge lap between when he was being friendly with nutella and when she went under suspicion and I don't know why he was so confident about nutella

he had a few posts that I don't really see mafia making when they plan to go with another progression. Wilgy's EoD1 seems like a typical twtbaw case but I'll ponder on that thought and figure what I wanna choose to believe.

For now I think it looks good enough but I'm missing puzzle pieces.

The curse of N2: casing the low posters there aren't enough pieces, casing the spammers there is a mountain of shit to wade through. I was really set for another no post night phase, so I could at least have the anticipated bloodbath narrow the field before I had to think.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:40 pm why is there 1 wolf in nanook and jpic btw

maybe my fault for not reading posts but

are u guise super super sure this is a thing

There isn't necessarily one wolf, but there is someone who post capped Mac. That could be a wolf, but I am really hoping that it is the 3P because if the 3P wasn't there I don't know how we are gonna sort out who it is. In any event, I think the post capper is obviously bad.

I am willing to consider a ninja post capping 3P by the way. Not liking it, but [mention]MacDougall[/mention] maybe it is something we should think about?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:36 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:32 pm the poe is different from the suggested plan. he is suggested to check for deepwolves which is dumb to me

@Justplayingitcool can you peek someone scummy tonight

I will leave it up to a vote and the general consensus, as I am under strict orders...

Please confirm if I should look in either:

A) spf, tutuu or MR
B) drwilgy, long con or Nanook

You ain't checking Nanook. From your POV Nanook should already be lock bad so no one would trust any result you got anyway.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:16 pm i see. I see it more like a serial killer role. they likely have kill power or something similar and possibly ways to evade detection but I don't think that means equal footing

They apparently didn't kill anyone N1. Unless we have a second doc of some sort who was just as miraculously right as Radishes apparently was.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:16 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:07 pm lol, what's the Tim 3p theory about

if he mentioned it then it must be serious

i was wrong

I respect this post.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:07 pm lol, what's the Tim 3p theory about

if he mentioned it then it must be serious

Let's see...Mac called me his number one 3P suspect yesterday. Oddmerta the tunnel master has written an awesome copy pasta about it. Of course it being on my mind makes ME the 3P.

I do respect you Ted...but don't make it difficult.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:06 pm why are we so concerned about the 3p right now? there are still like 2-3 wolves left, right?

Last night Mac and I sort of talked ourselves into being really concerned about a 3P quietly building up some sort of mass extinction event. With the roles already revealed it is safe to call this a high role power game. Sloonei made a point of 'town v mafia v rogue' that sort of puts the one man rogue faction on an equal footing. With the PRs town has just how powerful does the rogue have to be for that to be balanced?

So then we were scared. Mac was, by his own admission, really drunk, and I was serving 'west coast liason to Australian players' function so half asleep...but it does make some sense.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:01 pm Tim I think you're having a hard time figuring between whether I'm serious about you or not anymore

I'll give you a tip

you'll get the answer tonight

I'm unconcerned about you actually. If you shoot me you shoot me. Nothing I can really do about it.

I also really can't think of any way to prove I'm not the 3P that doesn't involve me dying sooner or later. If you wanna take responsibility for making it sooner that's your choice.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 3:00 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:58 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:16 am I'm living in a scary world full of even day clueless town vigs shooting people more or less at random.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:55 pm I hope tonight we have 5kp and it's not just me that has a multi-vig tonight

Speaking of prophecies...

oh is this disrespect I'm seeing...

now I wish I had that role so I would've blasted the entire wolf team

If you shoot the right people I'll respect you in the morning, I promise.

Does The Syndicate have an ignore function?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 4:16 am I'm living in a scary world full of even day clueless town vigs shooting people more or less at random.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:55 pm I hope tonight we have 5kp and it's not just me that has a multi-vig tonight

Speaking of prophecies...

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:52 pm tim, if you reach 500 posts I'm gonna think you're a mafia wim role and will probably shoot you for it

You should probably shoot me preemptively because I was guaranteed to hit 500 posts if I had any lifespan at all. I think the only game I've ever played where I didn't hit 500 posts was when I got N1Ked.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:49 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:47 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:45 pm i dont think it would be that clear tim

There are definitely some other high priority targets for the wolves, but letting a confirmed alignment cop mech clear people is pretty painful.

jpic is wolf, where are you getting confirmed from?

From the ongoing discussion regarding WHO WOULD BE GOOD TO CONFIRM.

You know, the discussion that is not visible from deep in the tunnel you are digging.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:48 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:45 pm Odd, was the big wall of quotes meant to convey some information?

Yes, you are setting Hally up for the future

Cool. Your prophecy already told us the paranoid state you are in, and now you've shown you can conf bias any evidence you need to convince yourself. You are great fun to have around.

Please spoiler tag your walls.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:47 pm timsup and jpic are 100% wolves

Bold random statement.

At least 50% wrong, but amusing.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:45 pm i dont think it would be that clear tim

There are definitely some other high priority targets for the wolves, but letting a confirmed alignment cop mech clear people is pretty painful.

Odd, was the big wall of quotes meant to convey some information?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:41 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:38 pm @dyachei I guess I'm somewhat afraid confirming JPIC is a waste because if he doesn't die tonight he'll die tomorrow or the next night. So I think I would choose to confirm someone new.

what if it could stop him from being killed at all? or do you think there's no point atp

If he gets confirmed as alignment cop the wolves are gonna kill him the first chance they get I think.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:32 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:29 pm The prophecy is coming true in real time

which prophecy is that?

I saved it for future use:

Here's what's going to happen, jpic gets voted tomorrow (if vigi isn't shooting him right now) and he flips mafia rolecop but not a postcapper. so that leaves us with Nanook to get killed next because he must be the postcapper, he flips town and a spotter like he says he is. This is the part when we all start to suspect Mac, our glorious town leader. "omg he must be lying about being postcapped, why would he do that? This cannot be, maybe he was scum all along, hang on a second...... Hally, they set this whole thing up. What a brilliant mastermind, hellbussing so many teammates like that but there's one thing they didn't count on and thar is us townies being super smart and figuring it out. Let's vote Hally" then Hally flips town and that leaves us with Mac, the evil mastermind, the core of cores left as the only possibility. Lying about being postcapped, we all believed it. (there will be a lot of dead townies by this stage of the story) things are rough now, tensions are high there's no way we can ignore this evidence and we vote up MacDougall. He flips town

It was timsup2nothing all along, he was the rogue. Undetectable by watchers, gaining power from stealng posts, his fakeclaim complete and now there is nobody left to stop him because there was always someone that had to be voted instead of him, always a townie that had to be NK'd instead of him and now it's too late, he has stolen enough power to win the game. GG

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:17 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:00 pm i didn't realize we'd have the thread open and I was at work when i happened to reload my syndicate page

I'm still at work, basically skimmed the thread to get here

I might just be a sucker but I kind of like jpic rn

still think tim is towny

if you had a choice between confirming someone like jpic or looking at someone new, what would you do?

@Timsup2nothin

I think the only person like JPIC is JPIC, and "confirm" is sort of nebulous regarding JPIC. If I could get a rock solid "JPIC is town, deal with that" result then I would know he was really an alignment cop, had a real green check on Mac, and was not the post cap stealer. That would be great.

If I could get "JPIC is absolutely an alignment cop" that would be a little less great, because in some paranoid corner of my mind a voice would say "the wolves have an alignment cop so they can look for the 3P." These paranoid voices are stupidly unlimited in the things they say.

In any event, if I had to kill him to confirm him I would feel bad because if I confirmed him I would also cut off whatever results he is about to get.

If confirming involved killing I would look in the really unknown range. People who haven't claimed anything, have a vague "maybe town, definitely POE, dunno and not ever likely to know" feel about them. Dizzy is one example but there are a few others who genuinely don't come to mind. Like you look at the player list and say "hmmm."

With a non-fatal method of confirming I would go in the pretty solid not wolf, but could be 3P range. Oddmerta, me, Juliet, you, Poison...that sort. I don't really want to kill active people just to see if they are 3P, but we may have to eventually in some cases.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:20 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:19 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:14 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:10 pm oh hey dizzy how's it going?

Good, I think. I finished my other game. Still won't be able to catch up and stuff here. Consider myself on a break until champs, so I guess I have an actual slank meta now. You got two mafia. =p

Who's next, and is there anyone who needs "looking into"? I have absolutely no idea what's going on here other than Nutella and Sprit being yeeted.

we know that someone postcapped mac. spirit (mafia) didn't have that role function. nanook and jpic were also seen visiting mac. It's possibly one of their actions and tinfoil me is worried that maybe there was a 4th ninja option but we should deal with nanook and jpic first.

Tinfoil me is worried that Hally did it. I cannot make any sense of that at all, and Hally is just town...but that's what makes it tinfoil, right?

then why claim anything?

This particular tinfoil started when, right before I logged out for the night I said "Hally is the one person I KNOW is not the 3P because 3P Watcher makes no sense." So of course then I tossed and turned not sleeping over "what if Hally is a 3P watcher who postcapped Mac and gets us to kill all these potential postcappers?"

I'm gonna stick with 3P watcher doesn't make sense, but this is my life.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:19 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:13 pm @Justplayingitcool I have a problem.

I asked you for one name that was NOT the 3P.

I got sort of a bonus in the "well these town cores are pretty obv town so not them probably" form. But I wasn't looking for probablies.

I gave a name. Hally. Hally is confirmed watcher. Watcher is not 3P so Hally is just NOT 3P.

Maybe someone else would say "this isn't fair, you took the only one that is really that certain." They could make me feel bad about jacking them up.

But you couldn't have made me feel bad. You're the alignment cop. You already checked Mac. You should be certain.

Why you didn't say Mac is not the 3P JPIC?

Because I didn't understand the relevance of your question and I feel pretty certain on all three lol

You do feel more certain on Mac, right?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:16 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:14 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:10 pm oh hey dizzy how's it going?

Good, I think. I finished my other game. Still won't be able to catch up and stuff here. Consider myself on a break until champs, so I guess I have an actual slank meta now. You got two mafia. =p

Who's next, and is there anyone who needs "looking into"? I have absolutely no idea what's going on here other than Nutella and Sprit being yeeted.

we know that someone postcapped mac. spirit (mafia) didn't have that role function. nanook and jpic were also seen visiting mac. It's possibly one of their actions and tinfoil me is worried that maybe there was a 4th ninja option but we should deal with nanook and jpic first.

Tinfoil me is worried that Hally did it. I cannot make any sense of that at all, and Hally is just town...but that's what makes it tinfoil, right?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:13 pm i guess everyone else left when I got here

I just got up!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 2:10 pm What's going on in this game?

We gonna have to chop you to prove you aren't 3P.

There's some other stuff, but that's probably most relevant.

Killed a couple woofs already, so that's good.

[mention]Justplayingitcool[/mention] I have a problem.

I asked you for one name that was NOT the 3P.

I got sort of a bonus in the "well these town cores are pretty obv town so not them probably" form. But I wasn't looking for probablies.

I gave a name. Hally. Hally is confirmed watcher. Watcher is not 3P so Hally is just NOT 3P.

Maybe someone else would say "this isn't fair, you took the only one that is really that certain." They could make me feel bad about jacking them up.

But you couldn't have made me feel bad. You're the alignment cop. You already checked Mac. You should be certain.

Why you didn't say Mac is not the 3P JPIC?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:26 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Sat Sep 05, 2020 11:21 am Here's what's going to happen, jpic gets voted tomorrow (if vigi isn't shooting him right now) and he flips mafia rolecop but not a postcapper. so that leaves us with Nanook to get killed next because he must be the postcapper, he flips town and a spotter like he says he is. This is the part when we all start to suspect Mac, our glorious town leader. "omg he must be lying about being postcapped, why would he do that? This cannot be, maybe he was scum all along, hang on a second...... Hally, they set this whole thing up. What a brilliant mastermind, hellbussing so many teammates like that but there's one thing they didn't count on and thar is us townies being super smart and figuring it out. Let's vote Hally" then Hally flips town and that leaves us with Mac, the evil mastermind, the core of cores left as the only possibility. Lying about being postcapped, we all believed it. (there will be a lot of dead townies by this stage of the story) things are rough now, tensions are high there's no way we can ignore this evidence and we vote up MacDougall. He flips town

It was timsup2nothing all along, he was the rogue. Undetectable by watchers, gaining power from stealng posts, his fakeclaim complete and now there is nobody left to stop him because there was always someone that had to be voted instead of him, always a townie that had to be NK'd instead of him and now it's too late, he has stolen enough power to win the game. GG

I haven’t read past here’s what’s going to happen but I assume this is good copypasta material nonetheless

I'm keeping it for future use, yeah.