The Syndicate

Current opinion on Dya. Summary: Day one light town, would not chop

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:20 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 3:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:59 pm

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juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:47 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:35 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pm

you know full well I am town and yet you are hopping on with empty reasons like I'm memeing a lot

nope.

What should I have seen about you that would let me know "full well" that you're town? My mind is not a closed door so talk to me.

I mean you know I'm town because you're a wolf

So I ask you to tell me why you're town and you answer by saying I already know you're town because I'm a wolf, instead of pointing to towny things you may have done. That's not very convincing and I'm not a wolf.

everything I've done has been towny because I'm town

I meme a lot that's just me
I've given lots of reads and takes and interactions

You do meme a lot, and that's fine and fun.

Could you make time to go through your own ISO and pick out the "lots of reads"? When I went through it it seemed like there was a lot of "yeah that's shady" agreements, but I don't really look at those as "giving reads." In fact that is pretty much page one of my wolfing strategy; always support any suss on a townie. It doesn't require any reasoning to just agree, and ultimately wolves need the townies to chop each other so all suss is good suss and worthy of support.

I didn't see much of anything else that looked like giving reads in a widespread way, and your list was just a list as I recall, without any direct supporting reasoning.

I've given plenty of reasoning and defended townreads and frankly getting sick of the vague discrediting. I've explained the ones I have reasons for, find them yourself, if you have further specific questions go ahead but I have said something about every player at this point

If I could "find them myself" I wouldn't have asked. I told you how it looked to me, and I honestly don't think I was vague about it.

I don't do runaway wagon pile on votes, so I'm not voting you. I certainly don't have any argument I would use to convince anyone not to though, nor any reason to keep looking for one. I thought that if you looked at your iSO it might help you understand where people are coming from, but if you have a better way to avoid what you are saying is a mischop go ye forth.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:59 pm

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juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:47 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:35 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm Alright I finished reading nutella and I have similar thoughts to others who have just posted about her iso. There's not a lot there except for her scum read on me. She did, however, argue that Dr. Wilgy is town and ted is town which I agree with. I think what dilutes the reads she does have is how many posts she has that are about nothing important, like the soup posts and the joke posts. They overwhelm her other posts imo and that smacks of wolfy behavior. Up your post count and be seen as a presence by posting a lot about nothing.

But here's the rub. Like others before me have said, if she is wolf where are her teammates? There have been plenty of opportunities to run up a wagon on someone else. Did they give up early and are bussing her or voting on off wagons? It just doesn't feel right and that's a concern I have, though I still read her as scummy. I will vote her for now but read some other folks that I have null reads on and evaluate them.

Also I'll put together a reads list and post it.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

you know full well I am town and yet you are hopping on with empty reasons like I'm memeing a lot

nope.

What should I have seen about you that would let me know "full well" that you're town? My mind is not a closed door so talk to me.

I mean you know I'm town because you're a wolf

So I ask you to tell me why you're town and you answer by saying I already know you're town because I'm a wolf, instead of pointing to towny things you may have done. That's not very convincing and I'm not a wolf.

everything I've done has been towny because I'm town

I meme a lot that's just me
I've given lots of reads and takes and interactions

You do meme a lot, and that's fine and fun.

Could you make time to go through your own ISO and pick out the "lots of reads"? When I went through it it seemed like there was a lot of "yeah that's shady" agreements, but I don't really look at those as "giving reads." In fact that is pretty much page one of my wolfing strategy; always support any suss on a townie. It doesn't require any reasoning to just agree, and ultimately wolves need the townies to chop each other so all suss is good suss and worthy of support.

I didn't see much of anything else that looked like giving reads in a widespread way, and your list was just a list as I recall, without any direct supporting reasoning.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:46 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:41 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

The rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.

From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.

Not my intention to offset towniness. Anyone can think what they want in this situation and it's entirely possible I'm just bad with Tutuu in a day 1 scenario.

Why are counterwagons that much of a concern?

Because generally speaking from a town perspective a runaway wagon is bad. If it does hit a wolf there's no information gained on partners because of course with a runaway wagon they are just as likely to have bussed as not. If it doesn't hit a wolf that's even worse.

Are you implying that it's in town favor to form a counter wagon even if the vote isn't the primary suspect?

The term "primary suspect" doesn't fit for me. There are multiple wolves available. I posted my read based on going through Nutella's ISO, but don't really feel compelled to pile on the runaway wagon to prove my support for the unified town. I would just as soon run up a wagon on someone else I think could be a wolf and see what kind of reactions that generates. Seeing how people move votes across competing wagons is one of the most useful wolf indicators for me, so I'm always gonna look for a counterwagon to form in this situation rather than just sleepwalk into EoD and hope we are all right about Nutella.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:43 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:32 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:28 pm radish do you have a read on nanook?

Mmm...interesting question. I've twice wolfed with him where I died early and he won in end game on his own.

I've not read very closely and have missed several sections of the round, so huge grain of salt. But...i kind of felt he was town earlier on? I don't even know why, just something about his flavour of slank felt different to what I saw in those two games.

If I remember, I'll iso him later and see if my impression holds up.

I have 120 posts how have I been slanking

Poorly? I mean to be a good slanker you should definitely be under fifty. A real expert would be in the twenties.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:41 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

The rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.

From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.

Not my intention to offset towniness. Anyone can think what they want in this situation and it's entirely possible I'm just bad with Tutuu in a day 1 scenario.

Why are counterwagons that much of a concern?

Because generally speaking from a town perspective a runaway wagon is bad. If it does hit a wolf there's no information gained on partners because of course with a runaway wagon they are just as likely to have bussed as not. If it doesn't hit a wolf that's even worse.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:30 pm Shit, I could get behind a Tutuu or MR vote just based on the last few posts.

The rest of the thread doesn't support that though. Tutuu has enough towniness established that even "okay, yes, I'm a wolf" couldn't really offset it.

From the ISOs I've done so far (still eight to go) the only possible counterwagons to Nutella I could really get into would be Ted, Herm, or Odd.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:26 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:23 pm Also in my head I pronounce his name Jay Pic. Just me?

I sayit JéPic like an exotic name

I honestly don't think you could get any more cute, and yet you keep on. If you ever rand wolf I am just gonna concede.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:23 pm Also in my head I pronounce his name Jay Pic. Just me?

Me too.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:17 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:09 pm Current opinion on Dizzy. Summary: Day one light town, could be talked into chopping

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I have seen it before so I know the open slank refuse to play Dizzy can easily be town Dizzy. I have never seen wolf Dizzy but I have to assume he would be a brazen enough wolf to pull off the open slank, otherwise this would just be a truth tell. Go light town, but if someone wanted to chop him for refusing to play I couldn't argue.

Tim, just a note about Dizzy as wolf. I'm not super-experienced with him but I did wolf with him and then was helping to host a game where he was wolf and both times he was very try hard. He was a leader in both wolf chats and very involved in the game thread in both games. I don't have a big sample size but my experience is he doesn't slank when wolf.

Thanks.

Given that I have seen him do this basic "yeah, too many posts, not that interested" play now for the second time (assuming he is town again here) and be widely town read on it if he ever rands wolf with me I am going to suggest he just play the brazen slank. I'll just hope for now that isn't what we have going here.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 2:01 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 10:27 am @nutella you quoted 3 posts by spf to respond to why you suspect her. You said they were "manufactured" reads I believe. Can you expand on that? One of the posts was a list of her reads - did they all strike you as manufactured? Can you be any more specific? My apologies if you did this somewhere and I didn't see it.

it wasn't really the specific reads themselves so much as the whole principle of the thing (though I think I did disagree with a decent chunk of the actual reads which didn't help). just her approach of listing all the players and writing a sentence and a gth about each felt like forced content.

Ok I see. I think I saw her make a list like that as town in sf 3 - if not maybe it was another game. It's very familiar to me coming from her. (Or maybe I'm crazy, lol!) It just read like a list of reads with explanations to me. TY for answering.

You did. I think this and some other similar "let's make a list" activities are just typical SPF and should be taken as NAI in their existence. If there's something off in the content that would be worth noting, but I haven't looked yet.

Current opinion on Dizzy. Summary: Day one light town, could be talked into chopping

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:28 pm I think you are overestimating the difficulty of some of these towncore players replicating this level of towniness as scum. I have respect for their scumranges and all, but if someone is as town as tutuu or Hally or Mac, they're just town.

I don't buy the nutella busser theory. If there is a rotten egg in the towncore they would surely use their influence to stop a nutella exe. It wouldn't be hard. I could have dismantled the nutella wagon if I wanted, so could Mac or tutuu. To me it makes no sense for scum that's already super trusted to just let a teammate hang instead of saving them. You don't need any more towncred if you are Mac or tutuu or Hally, and you can shift the exe off nutella without being held accountable for it. Just say you scumread JPIC or SPF for some reason and it's off to the races.

Maybe I give people too much credit as players. I'm also seeing the "towncore effect" as spreading a lot further than just you, Tutuu, Hally, and Mac, but ymmv. Anyway, since I'm already on record as reading the four you named here as town myself I'm not going to quibble about this.

On not buying the Nutella busser theory...you are echoing the last part of what I said. I don't know that any pack mate would want to dismantle that wagon NOW, but there certainly was a time that it could have been done easily and no one did. That goes not just for the town core folk, that is a genuine NO ONE.

There are a number of possibilities there, one obvious one being that maybe Nutella just isn't a wolf. That's usually the first thing I think about a runaway day one wagon that doesn't encounter any resistance. But at the same time Nutella's ISO doesn't really offer anything to hang any resistance on. Maybe she's the rogue; that would fit the ISO and the widespread "not town" feelings while also explaining the lack of any resistance. Or it is possible that this was just an organized day one buss on a willing wolf; not a strategy I endorse if I'm wolfing, but it's not my call since I'm not.

I know there are plenty of players who look at bussing as such a crutch they almost can't wolf without it, so it's a possibility. Another consideration here is that in both my previous games on the Syndicate the host included hellbusser roles that encouraged and maybe outright demanded the wolves organize an early buss to unlock their powers.

Current opinion on Tedxtr. Summary: Day one wolf lean, would chop

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:09 pm Anyone who wants to scumread Oddmerta can fight me tbh. He just bleeds town.

Tim, talk to me about the concerns you have with the towncore. Why do you think it's been infested by a wolf? Do you think the wolf in it is bussing nutella?

Because it would be so incredibly easy to do, why would a wolf NOT bury themselves in the town core? I think you are independently towny, but consider yourself for example...if you randed wolf do you see any of the present town core that would have put up any resistance to you? Do you feel like anyone really seriously vetted you? Or have you just been accepted out of hand for "sounding towny" and showing some WIM?
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If Nutella is a wolf then yes I would say there is already at least one busser in place for early on the wagon credit. If Nutella is a wolf she is a wolf that has clearly seen what is coming and accepted her fate, so there's no reason to think that her pack mates would not be accepting it as well.

The problem with that is that there doesn't seem to have been any effort by the wolves to generate any kind of counter before that wagon got out of hand. A 'give up, buss, make the best of it' response to a runaway is one thing, but this almost looks like the wolves making no effort at all, if Nutella is a wolf.

dyachei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:36 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 12:35 pm Whether to skim 500 posts, continue doing ISOs, or just laugh hysterically at Ted's wacky justifications for OMGUS. Decisions, decisions.

i went with the skimming option. wasn't too bad, not a ton of walls

I went with an ISO on Nutella to see if I could figure out why she is under a runaway wagon.

I get it. She has a whole lot of posts and not a whole lot of taking a stand on anything...while not joining into the kumbuya "I'll town read you if you town read me" friendship circle that seems to have become the driving force of the game here day one. There's probably at least one of the superfriends that has randed wolf, so I'm kinda standoffish about that myself, but the lack of any compensating solid work doesn't give me really any sense that she's gonna get out of the mess any other way.

Current opinion on Nutella. Summary: Day one wolf lean, would chop

Whether to skim 500 posts, continue doing ISOs, or just laugh hysterically at Ted's wacky justifications for OMGUS. Decisions, decisions.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:25 pm Okey i'm up, but need to rest at.least 2or 3 hours before working, see ya later, can anybody meanwhile say me how to iso? I wanna.compare some poes with mine.

the player list in the second post are ISO links

or on left under my avatar you can get mine

I like the list so I don't have to find a post

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:11 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:55 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:52 pm Current opinion on Wilgy. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today

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Another mostly empty ISO, but he does drop some reads, with minimal reasoning provided but at least something he can be held accountable for later

Underwhelming justification for a town lean I must say.

this. I townread wilgy and think there are reasons to do so but tim says none of them lol (mainly that he had some brazen against the grain reads)

What are your reasons?

his brazen against the grain reads and like his general tone, some of it is just memeyness but there's a real underlying enthusiasm/eagerness to really have his finger on the pulse of the game. wilgy is horny for solving

Well, the reads are why I have him as a town lean. I can't really speak with authority on his horniness. I think that might be fakable.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:55 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:52 pm Current opinion on Wilgy. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today

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Another mostly empty ISO, but he does drop some reads, with minimal reasoning provided but at least something he can be held accountable for later

Underwhelming justification for a town lean I must say.

this. I townread wilgy and think there are reasons to do so but tim says none of them lol (mainly that he had some brazen against the grain reads)

What are your reasons?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:55 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 10:52 pm Current opinion on Wilgy. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today

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Another mostly empty ISO, but he does drop some reads, with minimal reasoning provided but at least something he can be held accountable for later

Underwhelming justification for a town lean I must say.

Sort of a sad comparative. He DID throw some names out as reads and they were at the time not like "oh hey here's my agreement with obvious consensus." That put him ahead of some really empty ISO's so benefit of the doubt for today.

Current opinion on Nanook. Summary: Day one light wolf, would chop

Current opinion on Wilgy. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today

Current opinion on Herm. Summary: Day one wolf lean, would chop

Current opinion on Hally. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today

Mac is right, time to get off the vanity wagons and apply some pressure. Saying "we are town core kumbaya" is all very lovey, but if it doesn't put pressure on the potential wolves it doesn't really accomplish anything.

[VOTE: Ted] aubergine

Current opinion on Poison. Summary: Day one slight town lean, would probably not chop

Current opinion on Tutuu. Summary: Day one pass, will fight for

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:58 pm

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:33 pm Current opinion on Oddmerta. Summary: Day one wolf lean, would chop

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ISO consists of nothing but reactionary posts and nonsense.

Uses day zero fluff to slide in. Seriously, "hey Hally, they might be open wolfing just to trick you" is mostly ridiculous. Taking that whole exchange as any sort of serious indicator is beyond reach but can be looked at as having something safe to talk about.

Builds onto that with the safe site mechanics "help me with my avatar."

Continues easy road challenging Mac when he reads me town. Continuing a policy of "pick a joke to take seriously as basis for a "read."

Never actually gives much of an opinion on anyone but me other than in relation to me; like he draws on Ted a lot after I compare him to Ted.

Finally challenged directly with "those were just jokes" by Tutuu he just dips.

There is really nothing towny here.

This is pretty wrong, "I build onto that with safe site mechanics", somehow implying that my opening post came after my other posts


Challenged by tutuu and dips? I responded to said "challenge" and then went to sleep.

Like spec chat, I have been wrong before, and will be again. Just so you know where you stand "wolf lean, would chop" means that I have no intentions about pushing your wagon myself. I won't oppose it, or hesitate to leave my vote on it, but if there is a mob with torches and pitchforks coming for you I won't be leading it. Rather than focusing on what you claim is "wrong," I suggest you do something about the parts that are glaringly right before anyone else notices...

For example, develop some reads on...well...anyone but me.

Current opinion on Master Radishes. Summary: Day one town, will carry forward probably

Current opinion on MacDougal. Summary: Day one town lean, would not chop today but don't particularly trust

Current opinion on Oddmerta. Summary: Day one wolf lean, would chop

Current opinion on Alison. Summary: accepted as day one town.

I actually can't eat French Onion Soup, but would if I could.

Well, heck.

I have played the mow intensity goof off game I wanted to play, but now it is three hours to the midpoint of the day, where I post my day one reads, and I got nothin' in particular and haven't taken any notes from which to come up with anything.

Low intensity goofing off turns out to just be procrastination and now I have to make up for it.

Not amused.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:26 pm A little bit.

Why?

Because I thought you were maybe onto something there. I have a number of reasons I could offer for "playing wolfy" on day one myself. But if I got on one of these "rand wolf streaks" that I have seen people get on I think it would have an impact. Like I recently played a homesite game after another vicious wolf game and I came out just playing town wildman to the point where I got N1Ked...over Pizza absurdly enough. It does seem odd that after a string of wolf rands Ted would open with the playing wolfy as baiting strategy.

Does it seem to you like after you called him on it he shifted to "towning it up"? Do you trust that isn't a fake?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 6:51 am Ted is playing scummy on purpose apparently lol.

Because that's what town do on day 1 coming off multiple scum rands...

Mac have your thoughts on Ted changed since you made this post?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:59 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:52 pm let's agree to disagree

Disagreed

So agreeable...probably town.

Samusamu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:53 pm Sorry for not being before, yesterday cant enter to internet.

But hey, i gonna read right now.

One question, where i can see when the day will close?

Syndicate uses the poll at the top of the page for voting, and the closing time on the poll is the official EoD.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 3:11 pm Can someone ping me with a consensus town read here? Is there such a thing? Like an obvious town read that everyone is like "yeah, they're town, cause meta or whatever and we're not wrong", and then I can sheep literally the entire game? Cause I absolutely will not be able to read all this.

Please @ me

The problem here is that "universally townread" so very often goes hand in hand with "could not be more wrong in their reads if they were actually a wolf TRYING to lead mischops."

Silly thing reads GOAT

Juliets!!!

This just gets better and better!

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:42 pm
21. Timsup2nothin - mango icecream with pineapple syrup

Excellent choice. I am totally in.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:29 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:17 pm

Herm wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:16 pm Very rough reads so far based on only feelings:

Town:

Nutella
McGyver

Scum:

Nanonino

I don't see Telemundo on this list

I'm the vig and I'm shooting telemundo

Considering that no one else can find Telemundo it seems like maybe you already did.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:26 pmI didn't

It's hilarious.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:23 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:17 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:17 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:14 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:12 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:10 pm @tedxtr

did you see my response?

I'll try going through it once again, I didn't really get it for the most part

I know I didn't do a super good job explaining it. I was trying to explain what are mostly nebulous thoughts about tim. I tend to gut read on d1 more than nail someone down as one thing or the other unless they're being super obvious like mac and tutuu.

basically I think tim looks at a lot of possibilities and tunnels on the one he finds most believable. I don't think the mix of omgus/read on odd is out of either range.

so basically completely null?

at this point, yes

Idk I've heard about Tim being an amazing wolf and I'm kinda stuck on whether he'd actually do that as a wolf

but I've learnt to not go anything beyond level 1 wifom stuff and if it felt wolfy, then stick with it type of play, trying not to outlevel myself into town reading him when his tunnel was actually scummy to me, you know

I've played with Tim and he seemed to have actual reasonings behind his tunnels for the most part whereas this looked like it was started for next to no reason

Sometimes a good reason just isn't available and we have to make do with what we have.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:22 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 2:21 pm @nutella is there an MU-ism that amounts to ThEy’Re AvOiDiNg EnGaGeMeNt ??

not really

ASMiller

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:43 pm Tim:

1) I think taking an avatar read overly seriously is either NAI (because it reflects an inability to get jokes that is indicative of personality, not role card), or slightly town (because wolves don't care about silly meme reads that they know they won't get exed off, but town can feel indignant that people are reading them for stupid reasons). You could make the argument that scum might be upset about being caught for the wrong reasons but Oddmerta did not feel that way at all imo.

2) If your conclusion is that wolves are either subtle or afk because they didn't pile in on the D1 tunnel, that means you agree that Oddmerta is town, no?

I don't think it as strongly as you do probably, but I think they are about rand...meaning far more likely town than not.

Below this line not actually about Odd-----------------------------------------------------

Thing about wolves is that they don't have to necessarily think they might get exed off over some silly read like an avatar read or whatever, but they get defensive because it interferes with their agenda. It's harder for them to go about doing whatever they think they want to get done if they have some daft towny pestering them. They feel different than the indignant towny because they aren't indignant, they are more like frustrated.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:03 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:42 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 12:40 pm dya, thoughts on tim's fight with oddmerta?

also, do you get anything AI out of his first read on Mac?

so like...that's tim as both alignments. I still have tim as null. I don't remember reading it as a "fight" but more of a oddmerta didn't want to townread tim so easily

is there something i need to look at more closely?

I reckon that's him as either alignment, but I guess...DId it come across as genuine?

I deduced he's likely to have tunnels anyway, but upon a first read it felt like the build up to that tunnel was for credit reaching more than an actual tunnel. The reason for why the tunnel took off was because Odd was asking my opinion on Tim's vote and he singled him out for it, which kinda looks like one of the "wolf that pushes people for things that can be interpreted as scummy but not actually making someone more likely to flip scum off " mindsets.

As opposed to the last game, Tim had an actual reason to believe that he was being finessed by a wolf, but in here he started off saying that Odd is someone that probably knows Tim.

So...If he thought that was the case, then I struggle to really see why he thought he was being pushed by a wolf trying to "yeet the LHF", given that, if Odd would've known Tim, then he would've known what he's getting himself into if he pushes Tim?

I don't think I said anything about them actually knowing me, other than asking if they do. Yes, if I did think they were someone familiar playing under an alt the whole thing would be weird.

So, I'm mostly done fooling around with Odd. Things I find strange (not necessarily about Odd themselves):

1) I am still amazed by the number of players who think anything outside of "mindmeld!!!! you are SOOOOOOO towny!!!!" is 'fighting.' Like, it actually makes me wonder if there is just something wrong with my home site. Me and Odd poking at each other to try to sort each other out seems like just an everyday part of the game to me.

2) I think that when I had already been making and sheeping avatar reads and then read the chomp on a chain avatar as "intimidating" the joke should have been really obvious. When someone takes something so silly seriously and starts being defensive I have a real hard time not thinking "what up wolf?"

3) What I usually look for in day one tunnels is who piles on. No one did. Wolves fall in two categories: smart enough to not pile on, or not yet active.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:47 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:41 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 11:39 am Raddish is a British poser. Brexit means Brexit. I am the one true Brit

looool i forgot

dude umm ... can u pls send a vocaroo of u saying "bad raddish" in your most british accent possible?

sry if awkward request u dont have to if u dont want to!

I am so disappointed that you don't sound like Bender.

Like, soul crushing.