The Syndicate

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:08 pm to me it was a win/sorta-win because if I could BS it as being fakeable/bastard then it was a town killed

ebwop

also ftr ik HK was rezzed as town when I pushed him

to me it was a win/sorta-win because if I could BS it as being fakeable/bastard

and not really much of a loss if it didn't work because then:
1) It minimized spew to a degree
2) I wasn't entirely sure, but it seemed I would be on the chopping block soon anyways.

Dayum. Even though I was being yeeted I did not expect town to win in the next 900 posts by finding (or happening to kill, as with nook) the 3 other scum within said 900 posts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:53 pm as opposed to just leaving her alive and letting her push the same reads for me?

[VOTE: Martin] aubergine

Weren't you voting Alison earlier?

If only you could explain the change of heart here.

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:53 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:47 pm

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:27 pm @MartinGG99 Claim what you did n2. you can be vague, I just need an answer

I know I used an ability on Ender in a previous night. Dunno if it was night 2.

Night 2 was the 17th if it helps

My slot did nothing on that night I believe.

TripleHaven wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:27 pm @MartinGG99 Claim what you did n2. you can be vague, I just need an answer

I know I used an ability on Ender in a previous night. Dunno if it was night 2.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:07 pm This is not the Martin I'm used to. The town Martin has a good grasp of game theory, makes super linear plays and constantly overthinks and second questions himself even when he is sure. This Martin enters the game and immediately tunnels a flipped + resurrected town off one line of text.

Unfair characterization that's impossible to tell 5 hours of me in the game, where said game is also bastard.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 8:02 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:07 pm why is it that its Alison + Mac in there though

idk about all the other players but out of all the group of 4 players you could've probably put in there

that's odd imo unless its just coincidence and claims have flown about since then

This is an incredibly weird comment to make

What's so special about me and Mac being in this soup?

Because I believe (and have believed before this game) its reasonably rare for both of you guys to be alive together for long unless something's wrong with one or both of you

for example: why soup-kill both of you? Why not try to kill Mac in an earlier night if they're concerned about both of you to rush a 4-person soup kill by day 3 which could cost them a night-kill?

I mean, I figure you guys probably know each other more than anyone else knows each other here simply because of that one Space Invaders game where both of you were mafia (which was one of the most significant mafia wins here a year ago). Heck, the discord for that game IIRC got nuked there because someone didn't want more people knowing about something there. I have no clue what that is, but I tend to believe both you and Mac have unique dynamics between you two.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 7:37 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:59 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:49 pm kinda want to kill you more than I want to kill TH

I'm not sure why I should be under TH for you.

You want to kill someone who seemingly had been on you since D1 and then gets all excited about the possibility of you being scum d2? (From what I could get from skimming)

Like I'm having a hard time here telling if you're being good here or not. At first I read that "I was amazingly towny" assertion to be good tone but now I feel like you're trying to dig into it and frame your whole red-check-turned-false & self-vote play as favorable as it can be for you to make up for things you did not think of at first, such as not really naming who you think is suspicious for pushing you on d2 when you've said you thought wolves were taking advantage of you.

It really feels suspicious to me and makes me wonder if you just happened to flip what you did.

annnd this is why I want to kill you.
You're hyperfocused on me which is like weird as fuck given that my early game was townie, then I died, then came back to life and you're harping on me saying "I think wolves need to kill me here" and like why?
I wasn't even HERE for a full game day (1.5 game days if you include that there was open night chat the night after I died) and there's so many other people you could (and should) be engaging with and yet here you are seemingly pushing me?

You stuck out after I read the various vote-counts and saw that you self-voted. That's not hyper-focusing you, especially since I just replaced in and am investigating things I think are worthwhile for me to look into rather than aimlessly reading the game to "catch up".

I hardly see self-votes justified, and so I asked about it. You gave some context, and then I responded with some differences but a final note saying I feel like you were probably genuine here.

But then you decided to re-hash most if not everything you said to me about it as if you're trying to really hammer this viewpoint of yours in, and specifying how you took something away from the wolves, and then add that you're the likeliest night-kill target.

There is no reason to "why" me here for questioning a person who thinks they're the night-kill when they obviously aren't. Especially since you, yourself, claimed to have lost your powers after ressurection. If you're that interested in being seen as the night-kill why claim you were vanillaized? I mean, why would anybody want to press that they're the night-kill?

And for just asking those kinds of questions I get voted by you, under circumstances that I feel are inconsistent with what you said earlier about the wolves (in your perception of them).

It just seems so suspicious and mildly inconsistent to me and without point unless you have something to gain from this. To which I can think of none other than being a wolf who's riding off a fake-flip earlier, since you're supposing that you're the night-kill. I would not be surprised if I had said nothing and then "surpise!" someone else died tonight instead and that must mean the wolves were being pressured then. And then BAM! You have your progression to kill more towns beyond TripleHaven (who, btw, is obviously not one of the wolves suddenly pushing you on d2 to "take advantage of" you and your supposed false red-check).

also hi @c4e5g3d5 I replaced in recently like you so plz don't ask me for infos as I'm almost as info-deprived as you are

Lovely. HK voted me.

Totally doesn't conflict his idea that wolves took advantage of him D2 and were going to kill him tonight.

[VOTE: HK] aubergine

Not to mention, in that other Syndicate game recently Axe as town did that whole fake-red-check fiasco on d2 (while you were there as wolf) and so it feels like a bad coincidence that its being repeated here (although you've claimed the check was real and was affected by bastardy or something of the sort).

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:59 pm It really feels suspicious to me and makes me wonder if you just "happened" to flip what you did.

Ebwop.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:49 pm kinda want to kill you more than I want to kill TH

I'm not sure why I should be under TH for you.

You want to kill someone who seemingly had been on you since D1 and then gets all excited about the possibility of you being scum d2? (From what I could get from skimming)

Like I'm having a hard time here telling if you're being good here or not. At first I read that "I was amazingly towny" assertion to be good tone but now I feel like you're trying to dig into it and frame your whole red-check-turned-false & self-vote play as favorable as it can be for you to make up for things you did not think of at first, such as not really naming who you think is suspicious for pushing you on d2 when you've said you thought wolves were taking advantage of you.

It really feels suspicious to me and makes me wonder if you just happened to flip what you did.

listo95 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:19 pm

honey wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 4:01 pm i like your analysis listo i will say flea and michelle did not seem partnered from their interactions and idk michelle voting to keep mansnicks wagon larger than enders doesnt look great to me considering if she was just going for a mis hammer and mansnicks and ender were both mishammerable in that day - ender had much more presence than mansnicks and would have been a more optimal ml if both wagons were town

That is a good point, my logic for Ender not being a wolf is I highly doubt on D1 2 wolves would vote right next to each other on a miselim.

listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:19 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:18 pm

listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:16 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 10:15 pm

listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:20 pm
Oh I literally do not sheep that at all. I fully believe Nanook is a wolf. My current other quick reads would be:
Creature - Wolf
Ender - Null (I do agree his spot needs to be resolved to get better D1 reads)
Scotty - Town
Alison - Town
TH - Honestly this does not feel like town TH to me so Wolf Lean

I think as of now those are my strongest reads besides the Nanook wolf.

"Strongest reads"

"Null"

Alright.

That portion was less for the null and more for the fact that you do need to be resolved for the most info gain imo.

Why? Because you can't read my posts so you need to POE me?

Well that and I do truly believe you will give a lot of info with your elimination.

listo95 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:39 am Also that ender flip didn’t help me at all on resolving Nanook. Looking back he called Nanook null near end of D1 then moved him to town because of a “quibble” with Michelle. When I read that quibble it was like 4-6 posts and seemed so minor to me.

Am I wrong in thinking he’s still wolf? Maybe. But something about this feels so off to me.

If we assume Ender was red then these three posts together over time is very bothersome since the first was on d2 and the latter two on d3 where Ender seemed to be under votes all the time

@TripleHaven why are you town

(Anyone else can answer this if they want to, but I would prefer hearing TH's response)

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:41 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:02 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:44 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:22 pm @hollowkatt why did you self-vote at one point?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:24 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:35 am [VOTE: HK] auberginebut sure, since I'm effectively useless I'm the right kill for today. Wolves won't ever kill me b/c I'm a potential mischop every day. I have to be resolved now.
glgl

I mean, I get this but what brought you to the belief that you were never going to become town core or something more secure?

There was no way I wasn't dying D2 after TSP flipped town.

I opened the day with a naked vote on TSP, made a red check joke type post later, got called on that, doubled down, and rode that hard till TSP flipped.
There was literally no way possible I was going to be "town core" let alone alive after that.

Like ok, dude says "x is a wolf and I have a red check that proves it" and then x dies and flips town in what universe do you say "that's ok dude, you can still be super town" even though yes, my D1/2 play is incredibly townie.

Okay I guess but I feel like with a game that's explicitly bastard among other things

and the fact that's kinda balsy for a wolf to do on d2

anyone voting you for that would be suspect

also there's the fact you didn't offer to claim a role and potentially just be resolved by soup-kill anyways instead of costing a town day elimination

I think I would've handled that a bit differently and not self-vote but I think your tone about it now says you're probably being genuine here

no, you resolve the guy who claimed a red on someone who in thread flipped town as soon as you can.
Like yeah, I was insanely town D1/2, but that check "proving" false means I'm now suspect in some way to virtually everyone, and wolves can take advantage of that. Me dying takes that away from them. And now that I'm back they basically have to kill me again.

Okay, first, I want to correct that I said you didn't full-claim. That's false, I accidentally skipped a page in your ISO with a ctrl-f search of "cop". I also did some more contextual research.

You've said this twice now. Why are you emphasizing this?

This is obviously an over-simplification, but in principle this always applies unless mechanical clear. Even so, this is a bastard game. I'm not sure many people can blame you unless they want to be foolish or wolfy.

I'm struggling to understand this. Where's the wolves then if you think they were taking advantage of this and pushing you? I mean, I feel like you would say this before or after you got yeeted. The only one I saw was like, mac, and I thiiinnnkk that was before the check claim? Not sure.

And I'm not sure they have to do this unless it comes to, like, final three. Only reason to do so is if they wanted a kill with minimal spew since you claimed to being vanilla-ized after being ressurected after a supposed town flip.

Can someone explain to me why @Alison got night immunity (almost) three nights in a row?

was wondering where the night immunity vote results were and didn't realize they were in the discord smh

(other than mac obviously since he seems to be stuck saying one thing and voting)

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:17 pm Nope, I said when you're caught up, when you're caught up depends on when you think you're caught up on recent events. you're reading something, evidently.

Well, I'm guessing you would rather not point things out for me then?

How about anyone else? Would it matter to you if they pointed out things that happened this game or gave me a summary?

Flea the Magician wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 5:01 pm Heya Martin, When you're caught up gives us a top 3 and bottom 3 will ya?

Heads up, I'm feelin pretty sour on your slot. The Flea is lookin for blood.

You're expecting me to read the whole game, which has ~2500 posts?

I would be sitting here doing nothing for the next day and night phase.

Much less form concrete thoughts on the players here with context.

So I'll just pick whatever stands out to me and just hope it's helpful.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:44 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:22 pm @hollowkatt why did you self-vote at one point?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:24 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:35 am [VOTE: HK] auberginebut sure, since I'm effectively useless I'm the right kill for today. Wolves won't ever kill me b/c I'm a potential mischop every day. I have to be resolved now.
glgl

I mean, I get this but what brought you to the belief that you were never going to become town core or something more secure?

There was no way I wasn't dying D2 after TSP flipped town.

I opened the day with a naked vote on TSP, made a red check joke type post later, got called on that, doubled down, and rode that hard till TSP flipped.
There was literally no way possible I was going to be "town core" let alone alive after that.

Like ok, dude says "x is a wolf and I have a red check that proves it" and then x dies and flips town in what universe do you say "that's ok dude, you can still be super town" even though yes, my D1/2 play is incredibly townie.

Okay I guess but I feel like with a game that's explicitly bastard among other things

and the fact that's kinda balsy for a wolf to do on d2

anyone voting you for that would be suspect

also there's the fact you didn't offer to claim a role and potentially just be resolved by soup-kill anyways instead of costing a town day elimination

I think I would've handled that a bit differently and not self-vote but I think your tone about it now says you're probably being genuine here

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:35 am [VOTE: HK] auberginebut sure, since I'm effectively useless I'm the right kill for today. Wolves won't ever kill me b/c I'm a potential mischop every day. I have to be resolved now.
glgl

I mean, I get this but what brought you to the belief that you were never going to become town core or something more secure?

@hollowkatt why did you self-vote at one point?

god these vote images are kinda hard to read

oh I misread

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:03 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:34 am

what the hell is this

7 votes in like 50-something posts?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 4:07 pm why is it that its Alison + Mac in there though

idk about all the other players but out of all the group of 4 players you could've probably put in there

that's odd imo unless its just coincidence and claims have flown about since then

before then I mean

why is it that its Alison + Mac in there though

idk about all the other players but out of all the group of 4 players you could've probably put in there

that's odd imo unless its just coincidence and claims have flown about since then

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:16 am

A Soup Kill Has Been Attempted!

The following soup kill has been submitted:

MacDougall - Ascetic
Dolby - Lie Detector
Lime Coke - Doctor
Alison - Bomb Giver

One or more of these players has been wrongly matched to their roles, as a result, the soup kill fails and the mafia team will lose their factional kill for tonight.

okay nevermind I guess the soup-kill was toned down since Open World

I would appreciate any sort of run-down of the past few days other than trying to read the host's iso

Okay I think I've got the OP rules down and etc

but I'm probably going to ignore some mechanical stuff, and if there is mechanical stuff relating to a player there really should be caution around it as I was in Guilo's last game on MU (Open World 1.2 I think) and town got extensively punished by it since it was a more expansive view of the soup kill's power than most other players had