The Syndicate

I had no clue what an Icaco is.

Now I do.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:25 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:28 am tangerine

I swear if this breaks the game I'm going to be disappointed

I fucking refuse fyi.

Can't know if Urist decided to troll us in some way or decided to allow the game to be broken if it's not done

tangerine

I swear if this breaks the game I'm going to be disappointed

srceenplay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:20 pm Kinda what osie did to dunya

Couldn't find it. Was that in the neighborhood?

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:18 pm Of course, that doesn't remove him of possibly being wolf

ebwop

Moonwink wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:11 pm I voted for Andres a second ago, but I think I might switch to Scotty for a little bit, because if Srceen is actually town, then the scumslip stuff is kinda weird. I'll move back to Andres (for real this time) once I've got some stuff figured out.

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Srceen is likely town imo for the HK flip.

I think it looks less weird if srceen is town. As mafia you can totally push what look like mistaken scum-slips, or just ignore them if they're reachy.

As town you can:
-Ask for others opinion on it
-point it out
etc

So like in terms of it being a pro-town or pro-mafia move to do what scotty did, I'd say it was more pro-town. Of course, that doesn't remove him of being wolf, but I think it's a point in that favor. Additionally he broke it up into two posts (namely the "did X scumslip" part came last) and gives a confusion vibe, which makes me think its genuine and not fabricated as to how he responded to it.

wait you're srceen

not screen

those two words look awfully similar

Could've just asked me to quote it.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:38 pm Wait wait wait I missed this before:

srceenplay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:14 pm Bluff?

I don’t doubt you to be a double voter.
I do doubt you raising the lynch count. That’s not how a double voter works.

Plus your post before you say sorry for the day before. “My fault” that would have put us at nine not “10”. So how is it your fault.

Liar liar pants on fire.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 4:05 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:31 pm

srceenplay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 2:14 pm Bluff?

I don’t doubt you to be a double voter.
I do doubt you raising the lynch count. That’s not how a double voter works.

Plus your post before you say sorry for the day before. “My fault” that would have put us at nine not “10”. So how is it your fault.

Liar liar pants on fire.

So you think he is town, but just seeing seeds of chaos?

Nope. Put him in the flip pile too

Both of these reads can’t exist on the same logical plane. If you believe him to be the double voter, how can he possibly be scum? That’s a town role.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:38 pm did srceen scumslip?

[VOTE: Andres] aubergine

I think scotty looks good for now. I feel how he handled what he thought was a slip by Screen to be a bit >rand town.

Anyways I gtg, was just popping to read. Will be back in about 6-7 hours.

I'm mildly convinced Dunya is towny for now. I might've not voiced it specifically, but since my neighborhood with Mac and Marmot on n1 (with mac telling us dunya was sus ofc) I wasn't sure if Dunya was trying to push something bad about me. I also don't have much experience with Dunya, so I was having trouble figuring if they're town w/ their handling of me.

However, I think that response was good.

That and its possible that maybe, just maybe, them not knowing the reasons Moon believes I am confirmed may point to them not being in some sort of mafia chat if the mafia is paying attention this game.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 28, 2022 12:48 am Unfortunately it ended up neighborzing everyone. I don't know why exactly it did that, but it did.

To clarify: It has been found out that the ring targets everyone, and THEN applies the conditional.

So it was not possible to get anyone less than the full player list of living people into the neighborhood.

So, to summarize for the record (and so it doesn't get drowned in discord):

Mac neigborhized Me/Marmot/Mac on n1 with the temporary neighborizer ring

During that time I shared the ring that Moon gave me yesterday (the messenger ring) and we made a plan to target me while I sent a message on the condition that it only reach people who had 1 ring or less at the end of n2

that way we would have an official & un-disprovable check of who had more than 1 ring; something very important if there was a killer out there as they would likely have more than 1 ring. Additionally, it would in theory give town the benefit of breaking their caps as town would likely have 1 ring or less.

Unfortunately it ended up neighborzing everyone. I don't know why exactly it did that, but it did.

I've also given the messenger ring to someone else, but I won't be revealing who.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:55 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:52 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:51 pm @dunya I've already accepted that getting 10 votes on a player is impossible.

This is frustrating.

The way people vote here is frustrating.

im legally obligated now to add some sort of comment about frustrating so that this chain keeps on going

srceenplay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:51 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:49 pm Seeing as we're not going to Maj, I'm moving my vote to someone who doesn't in order to have better chances of telling who DOOM trusted with their ring target.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Can't Doom just confirm it?

They haven't said anything about it; only that when setting the EoD they wanted to keep Dunya in mind.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:48 pm 18.
Target yourself, and name up to five Rings. Your target will learn the full description of each of the Rings you named, if they exist.


How do this work? Aren't all rings public knowledge?

Originally none of the rings were known nor their abilities iirc before the re-rand.

So it makes sense they don't know the names yet.

Seeing as we're not going to Maj, I'm moving my vote to someone who doesn't in order to have better chances of telling who DOOM trusted with their ring target.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

srceenplay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:37 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 5:33 pm Screen:
-Willing to vote HK/starfox/Martin/osie/dunya

FTFY

Thanks, let's finish fixing it together.

lol

Note: This is what I got so far, and considering time of EoD I won't finish it in time.

Here's what I could find from reading ISO's on who would vote who or not vote.

Keep in mind what I wrote down here may be more representative of my interpretation rather than what they actually said, as I may be taking things that are arguably suggestive of X or Y thing to actually mean X or Y thing. Or, alternatively, I could have made an error noting down a read or stance that has changed since then.

Porscha:
-Not willing or reluctant to vote HK/Mac/Moon/Creature
-Willing to vote anyone else? Only really mentioned nanook as being scummy

Nanook:
-Just yeet HK; progress based on whether HK is town or mafia
-Not willing or reluctant to vote NAA/Mac
-Willing to vote Andres? Or just wants andres to die at some point.

Jack:
See here: viewtopic.php?p=906034#p906034

Martin:
I'm updating things a bit.
-Willing to vote practically anyone not mentioned below if hammer is necessary.
-Reluctant to vote HK/Jack/Mac/Nanook/Scotty
-Willing to vote (prior to hammer) Porscha/Screen/Andres/Wilgy/Dunya/Creature

Mac:
-Willing to vote Nanook(?) plus see this post by mac viewtopic.php?p=904103#p904103

Screen:
-Willing to vote HK/Nanook/Moon/Martin/Naa
Martin's Note: Kinda unclear to me here so I could be wrong or out-of-date with these.

DOOM:
-Willing to vote Osie/Scotty/Moon/Screen
Martin note: ISO is overall unclear aside from those 4

NAA:

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:59 am I'm only voting scotty or Srceenplay and I've got 2 votes. Need 10 to kill.

Andres:
lol

Creature:

HK:
-thinks one wolf between Scotty/Osie/NAA
See this viewtopic.php?p=905566#p905566

Moon:
-Willing to vote practically anyone not mentioned below if hammer is necessary.
-Reluctant to vote Dunya/wilgy/Marmot/Mac/Jack
-Willing to vote (prior to hammer) Osie/HK/Andres/NAA/Screen/Porscha

Marmot:
Willingness is unclear, but did voice voting either directly or indirectly:
HK/NAA/Moon/Dunya/Jack/Nanook
-Might also be willing to vote anyone if hammer is needed, but I could be wrong on that.

Wilgy:
Seemed interested in a 4-way tie that once involved Jack/Screen/???/???
Otherwise idk

Scotty:

Osie:

Dunya:

"I think killing towns and deceiving them is odd and/or scummy to me."

the above statement is a bit of an extreme example but like if you find something scummy you probably wouldn't be unsure about it & wouldn't assign an "or" to that

Currently going through ISO's to note everyone's stances into one post.

Also what:

srceenplay wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:49 pm Calling almost 1/4 of the player group town is over confident and/or scumy to me.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:52 pm hey guyz here's a dumb tier list:

town
mac
nanook
dunya
creature
scotty
doom

lean town
moonwink
naa
martin
jack

poe
porscha
srceen
andres
marmot
wigly
osieorb

hmu for explanations

how did marmot get in there

what about that dunya read

I...kinda like Scotty?

Anyways I feel this is the correct place to be right now after wandering in my worldview imagination + strategy for a bit.

[VOTE: Screen] aubergine

Moonwink wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:13 pm I know you received a ring last night (giving away rings can't be roleblocked). Use it tonight in a way that maximizes the number of people you can reach, but also GIVE IT AWAY to someone else that's NOT me. Also, I need you to tell me if you received a music note last night. You SHOULD have received one, but if I was roleblocked in any sort of way, then it might not have gone through.

I did get it, I didn't mention it because I figured it probably could've been used for tracking purposes on previous nights. Which it actually can surprisingly.

But I wasn't sure if it was going to be useful tonight.

Anyways, since I mentioned that I probably **have** to give it away now before I get shot

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 7:34 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 25, 2022 3:11 pm Perhaps we should do an in-thread voting thing where we attach a # to each player on the list of the living.

Example:
"2" being I would vote this person
"1" being I would vote this person but I am reluctant to do so
"0" being I would never vote this person except for hammer
"-1" fuck you martin

Anyone who doesn't do that or something similar (and decides to be unhelpful in that regard) and we can consider yeeting them for it.

Because otherwise I don't see how we can easily come to a conclusion other than potentially yeet HK today, which I don't like (the single-choice issue). I think a possibility to consider is that the mafia no-killed because they wanted the HK yeet to be the seeming only option.

Although if I understand correctly, DOOM's ring also allows whoever they targeted to decide the yeet via their vote. Alternatively, we could just not vote today and if anyone votes for anyone else we will figure that was the person who was targeted by that, and then judge accordingly.

Spoiler: show

Andresvmb 2
Creature 2
DaughterOfOmega 0
DrWilgy 2
dunya 2
hollowkatt 1
Jackofhearts2005 1
MacDougall 1
Marmot 0
Moonwink 0
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 1
NotAnAxehole 1
osieorb18 1
Porscha 2
Scotty 2
Srceenplay 2

If we end up not doing this I'm probably going to just dig through ISO's sometime 24ish hours from now and compile a list of who would vote who.

Too convoluted. You’re telling me mafia tried to stall a lynch- a mislynch, at that- to create WIFOM going into D2?

Doubt

No. I don't believe anything on what the mafia did on d1.

Four mafia is not enough to stall or cause a yeet, especially on d1, so I cant presume that is what they intentionally did. Especially when such presumptions would necessitate the mafia predicting who the most likely yeet would be and/or needing up to all four wolvrs to be present at a single time to coordinate. It is also possible they may have been able to achieve a misyeet but it would've appeared bad for them for whatever reason.

Regardless of whether they were or weren't intetionally stalling though, I do believe witholding the kill on n1 to pressure town into making a move (ex: Nanooks entrance today about HK) is a reasonable possibility.

Perhaps we should do an in-thread voting thing where we attach a # to each player on the list of the living.

Example:
"2" being I would vote this person
"1" being I would vote this person but I am reluctant to do so
"0" being I would never vote this person except for hammer
"-1" fuck you martin

Anyone who doesn't do that or something similar (and decides to be unhelpful in that regard) and we can consider yeeting them for it.

Because otherwise I don't see how we can easily come to a conclusion other than potentially yeet HK today, which I don't like (the single-choice issue). I think a possibility to consider is that the mafia no-killed because they wanted the HK yeet to be the seeming only option.

Although if I understand correctly, DOOM's ring also allows whoever they targeted to decide the yeet via their vote. Alternatively, we could just not vote today and if anyone votes for anyone else we will figure that was the person who was targeted by that, and then judge accordingly.


If we end up not doing this I'm probably going to just dig through ISO's sometime 24ish hours from now and compile a list of who would vote who.

yeet

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:51 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:48 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:47 pm Hi I'm back, who we eliming?

not a single wagon has reached beyond 6 votes afaik

hollowkatt suddenly has 6.

I have no opinion on srceenplay, but would sheep the masses there. Same with Scotty (I say his name because DOOM nommed him for CFD.

now 7

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:47 pm Hi I'm back, who we eliming?

not a single wagon has reached beyond 6 votes afaik

My wonderment about the pocketing theory is

if moon is being pockety why has it largely if not only been alleged in Me/Moon

or at least I haven't really seen anyone accuse Moon of being pockety with anyone else specifically

It can seem strong if there simply aren't many town-reads

I would be worried if it was consistent beyond a single day phase with no or hardly any activity on the matter

or something like that

this is one of the reasons, and I think they've been interacting with me in a way to figure me out

I have no clue as to how MUCH they town-read me, but I do believe its at least above most other people here it seems

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:21 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 2:13 am Well, I thought it looked positively because I kinda felt like it was tonally just playfulness (ex: the "to be disagreeable" part)

which really isn't what I tend to see in non-town

but as I said I don't quite know many people in this game; yourself included

just feels like too rash to say I like your slot so far bc for all I know you may show that tone regardless of alignment

Also feels like you could be the sterotypical person who's nice to have around but is secretly a mass-murdering mastermind instead

and yes I've read preety much everything so far (I may have skimmed a few posts however)

Okay, okay.

I kiiiinda want to townread you? In my experience, when people play with me the first time, I find it more common for them to take a strong/semi-strong stance on me early as scum, and a more hesitant stance on me (or look at me like I'm weird ) when they're town.

So yeah, we're gucci now. <3

so I guess I will actually answer that

well actually they have only 1 post left so

srceenplay wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 11:34 pm Martin why does moon town read you so hard?

sure thing let me go ask in my wolf-chat with moon first

point being: I don't speak for others most of the time because I am not them

As if leading meant anything anymore......

NAA is now the leading wagon.

here

I wonder if we even have enough people here at EoD to make a difference.

I didn't realize they were going to burn through 15-20 something posts so quick

@Moonwink you got 3 posts left

Martin feels like they're actively not doing anything

I don't think that's a feeling bud

that's more like an accurate observation of my accomplishments

I'll hammer moon if my vote is needed

I am reluctant to go there otherwise because marmot was slightly right in that I was pocketed in some form (maybe)

idk anymore

um

I'll be honest

I kinda don't know what I'm doing here

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:32 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:22 pm [VOTE: hk] aubergine

all other wagons atm (other than scotty/screen) I don't prefer

which is interesting...didn't even look at votes when I made my little list

Which is funny b/c I've been sus of srceen for like the entire game but I guess chopping me instead makes more sense? Not sure why though.

well at the time you had 3 votes while the others in that group had 1

we might have time to test the others though I suppose

[VOTE: screen] aubergine

Just had a little thought experiment

if the mafia somehow intentionally be uncooperative towards majority

then we'd need 2/3rds of town to agree on one person

I have no clue how this affects voting dynamics for scum but I feel like it may

simply because no plurality and thus giving evils a chance to deny town-kills

I guess I should do this

[VOTE: Hk/Screen/Scotty] aubergine to make it clearer as to who I would be open to yeeting today out of the current wagons

could in theory have a wagon with no votes started but I get the impression that's unlikely to majority

[VOTE: hk] aubergine

all other wagons atm (other than scotty/screen) I don't prefer

which is interesting...didn't even look at votes when I made my little list