The Syndicate

oh fk wrong thread

blue color = from fallout 2

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:52 pm It made perfect sense to me. Sorry if you don’t see it that way

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 2:04 pm If you don’t like this then, sorry?

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:51 pm Because he claimed it was a cop check. I didn’t want to out our cop... I felt stupid and felt he was honest.
Then more things came to light and I went back on him.
Notice I back off him. Then went back and yes I had a scum read on him but I could be wrong. I had no true evidence

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:55 pm And what are you getting at? Those were two reads.... that’s all they were.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 1:55 pm So you proved how my read evolved? Lol. I’m not sure what that is supposed to mean… I liked him a bit. Then I didn’t like so much, then I liked less and then he lied to clear himself.

1. The responses aren't completely the same because Fallout 2 was incredibly mech-heavy and claim-heavy.

2. Not everything matches up cleanly. A few slight things are different; he had a coherent understanding of his interactions with Fallout-Falcon back on day 2 of that game where Falcon got mod-killed.

3. Although it's interesting to note the timestamps are quite similar; The ones that are quoted from here happen in a few minutes just like the quotes from Fallout 2.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:53 pm

@TonyStarkPrime
@Jackofhearts2005
@Grogu
@ChopChop
@Made

@Alison

@falcon45ca
Is it me or are the banners here invisible?

As it turns out, a program decided those were ads @_@

fixed now

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:53 pm

@TonyStarkPrime
@Jackofhearts2005
@Grogu
@ChopChop
@Made

@Alison

@falcon45ca

Is it me or are the banners here invisible?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:11 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:08 pmgg everyone
martin why are you here you should be on break

okay fine I'm going im going, just popped in for the game end

For anyone confused, its a joke.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:08 pm Teaser for a lounge thread tonight:

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I looked up every instance in which a player has made 1,000 posts or more in a Syndicate game. I did not consider dead posts or post-game posts. They are ordered below.

Rank Player Post Count Alignment Game Year

1 tutuu 1864 Civilian Game of Champions 2020 2021

2 iaafr 1663 Civilian Inception Mafia 2019

3 Justplayingitcool 1604 Civilian Game of Champions 2020 2021

4 MacDougall 1507 Civilian Radiohead Mafia 2020

5 Ricochet 1472 Civilian Game of Champions 2015 2016

6 JaggedJimmyJay 1458 Civilian Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90) 2015

7 Michelle 1346 Civilian Game of Champions 2020 2021

8 TonyStarkPrime 1268 Mafia Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game 2021

I always wondered what was the table BB-code here. Neat.

gg everyone

It's also possible that they role-copped Falcon and were looking out for indications of what Falcon did

but if that's the case idk why VC shoots Wilgy because now I just recalled that I thought Grogu did a throw-away shot on Wilgy because they were going to use the extra kill at some point and it's better (in some views) to use it sooner rather than later on a slot that doesn't really spew anything

There's also this

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:14 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:11 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:09 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:00 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:55 am Day vig Chop IMO
I can't, I've already used my shot. The only other role who can dayvig is Metzger, and since that's a hostile 3P I doubt they'll be kind enough to clear our POE for us lol.
Cool, so Alison is prolly Metzger
elaborate
There's only one Slaver role guaranteed, and Alison is assuming that it's Metzger. It's TMI, I'd bet good caps that's her role.

Also made around the same time Chop Chop was active.

So IDK how likely that idea is.

I think I know what you're getting at

I've looked into it more and I think this post tipped Chop Chop off and told Grogu: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 43#p741543

So Grogu comes in an (IRL) day later and speaks about claiming; which may imply that they read that post by Falcon: https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 09#p743009

Seems kinda smart to do

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:15 pm But I do think the wolves have the role blocker / tracker so they could have like tracked falcon and RCed mac?

Well yeah that is possible; maybe just give the mech info to Frank who's a more valuable role

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:14 pm I just don't think that's plausible with the whole falcon/alison thing grogu was on about

Fair. Maybe he role-copped Mac N2 or something.

I don't think I can give a good explanation for Falcon/Alison tbh unless there was an enclave tracker involved or something.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:05 pm I also think Grogu knew that Alison was slaver day 2 but I might be ascribing too much logic to his actions there

Didn't Grogu call Mac taking a wolfy poo on that day?

I was thinking Grogu role-copped mac on N1. Cuz you just don't make that sort of statement unless you legitimately believe they're scummy.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 5:05 pm You just gave two ways it was a possibility?

I think we're at a disconnect because I misspoke somewhere and while I could fix that

I don't see any point in doing so.

And Alison had the only vest in the game iirc.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:58 pm it's already a possibility, by strict rules of propositional logic anything implies it

Not sure how it is a possibility if ChopChop genuinely didn't know if Alison was slaver.

The enclave kill got saved the night before Chop announced Alison wasn't slaver.

He could've changed his answer if they did attack & message Alison.

The only way to fake a protection as happening is to either attack a vest or to heal the attack target when attacking them with Frank. But Frank was Grogu, not Urist.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:57 pm i don't see how that's an implication

Well it implies there would be a possiblity of

not like an actual thing that actually happened

IIRC I think the potential outcomes of this game were far more unknown back then as well so Alison might've not had felt a need or forseen a need to side with Enclave.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:42 pm burning take: he could have messaged alison or something and then had his fake message prepped for sloonei because he knew sloonei was going to die

I think its possible but whether its plausible is a different question entirely

Right now I don't think so; I'm not feeling it. That would imply there's a possibility where they shoot Alison once and have Urist claim to be the savior of Epignosis.

Also him trying to get Alison deleted for so long might make him less trustworthy in Alison's eyes.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:32 pm but I'm not going to go back and read his iso and find out if that was a smart thought or not

Nah I think he spewed it. No reason to claim he messengered Sloonei; he could've done that for the next enclave kill or something if sloon wasn't killed by Enclave.

(And also convincing Sprityo to shoot Grogu because Grogu could have only been mechanically Joshua if he were not your role, Marmot.)

Also, why would you die over me?

Fairly sure me outing the Slaver + Chop Chop has gotten me a death sentence at some point in the future

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:20 am Also, why am I still alive?

Why would you die over a confirmed vigilante who shot Frank Horrigan, the only possible enclave vig?

In any case though I think there's decent evidence that suggests (other than Jack intentionally delaying the game cuz wincon) everyone else is town imo.

If there's one more wolf it's likely in TSP/Marmot.

Kinda want to lean Marmot, it seems odd to me that Jack kept TSP at his lower reads before and after the dramatic LC read change, and that Chop has been "tunneling" him all the time. Feels a bit more far-fetched to say enclave TSP and Chop headbutted all game but only to have other enclave members take a more or less solid stance on the issue of who gets chopped there.

But its just as odd that Grogu and Marmot collided somewhat with their claims but I dunno if that is more likely to happen if Grogu was not paying much attention to the game or planning in the Enclave btsc.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:36 pm
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 1:46 pm martin is clearly the last wolf posturing for f3
Is this meant to be a serious read or a joke?

It's a meme afaik.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:47 pm Martin I beat you to that take on poison early day 2 :P

Yeah I know. You didn't quote it though and just said it I think.

Anyways I'll be back later.

I got some motivation to look into stuff again; I've gotten lazy as of late and right now I don't feel comfortable realizing we could have a F4 Mylo or F3 Lylo (Assuming Jack has a teammate) and me not having any strong ideas about it.

Actually scratch that

I looked into comparing the reads lists to see what else changed and I realized that based on what Jack said in Re: Marmot he town-read too many people without really any scum-reads at all, and if there was a scum-read it was TSP or Macdougall because he was the only player he was "indifferent" with and Mac was the only town-read he objected to.

He agreed with Marmot's town-list aside from Mac; said he town-reads most of Marmot's scum-reads, and town-leaned 2 of the 3 people on the indifferent list. Leaving TSP.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 13, 2021 3:36 pm Townlean.

I’m probably at like

Green
Jack
Epi
Alison
Urist
Chop
Martin
Daisy

Light Green
Poison/Syn
Dom
Grogu
Kyle

Yellow
Tony
Marmot
LC

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 2:36 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Spoiler: show
Is this a serious vote or am I just trying to tilt Chopchop?

Spoiler: show
Guess you’ll have to wait and see.

Spoiler: show
Mostly serious.

There is basically no progression to scum-reading LC before these points. It's a drastic jump from him rather consistently town-reading LC but then suddenly stops. We should've looked at this yesterday

Prior to this he made his own reads list and even that comment completely agreeing with Marmot's town-reads, both of which seemed to heavily find LC town.

I think something happened around N4 or D5, as if the scum had to change plans and there might be something worthwhile to note around that time.

I agree with the rest of your town list.

There's also that comment by Jack too.

That "Enough townie things today" list though by Marmot is curious as more than half of it is non-town players

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:43 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:55 pm Here's a list of players who have done enough townie things to make me not want to vote them today

Alison - she is presumed Slaver or New Reno
ChopChop - unrelenting attitude, confirmed ability (even though alignment isn't), handled Omega well
Jackofhearts2005 - flashes of contribution, seemed relaxed when Omega was outed,
Long Con - There are things I don't like, but I think his contributions around Made being yeeted look alright
MacDougall - before today, lazy town, today I feel better about him
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - CC'd Omega, his takes are reasonable, and I think a bit outside of his scumrange
Urist - buried Omega

Players I'm indifferent on

Dom
Grogu
TonyStarkPrime

That leaves the following list of people that I'd vote for today unless another good reason for someone else arises:

Epignosis
MartinGG99
Poison
Kylemii
Spacedaisy

What did Mac do today to change your mind?

I agree with the rest of your town list.

(Wish I remember if I townread you in this game or not. Guess I’ll have to dig into you to remember, which is frustrating cause I had a confident town read on you in A game.)

Indifferent list I agree with. Slight reasons to believe Dom and Grogu are town.

(Oh wait there was that whole Mac and Grogu like caught Chop but oh wait no they didn’t thing.... Who went first there? Did that go nowhere? Mac/Grogu probably not w/w.)

I somewhat townread everyone on the bottom list, actually. Town Martin > Daisy > Epi > Poison > Kyle. I’d rather chop in that middle section or Mac.

Not sure how I feel about this.

I do feel like (though this may be confbias) that the Enclave almost certainly role-copped Macdougall and knew he was Vault city, esp with what I mentioned about Grogu earlier and from what I read so far it feels like Jack or other scums were paying special attention to Macdougall.

Especially since Jack + Chop seem to be making sure to interact occasionally every day phase to theater out one's reads on the other and etc.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:19 pm Alright I gotta do a bunch of work and also Danganronpa but I was thinking about the game and before I forget this stuff, I'm gonna jot it down.

Chopchop - Note passer. BoS or wolf. Still hasn't said why he targeted Daisy. Mixed feelings.
Daisy - Got a notepass. Townie af for the way she handled it.
Alison - Fingered as slaver by Falcon, who didn't need to kill Slaver's so she's probably just the Eddie the one shot vig or whatever.
Dom - Town vibes off emotion.
LC - Mindmeld on Dom
Epi - Obviously a robot. Town? Idk. Seems like some shit Epi wouldn't bother with unless the host made him but I haven't checked the roles list for this either.
Grogu - Oh, is he in this game?
Mac - Oh, is he in this game too?
Marmot - ... I'm multitabling with Marmot. Has he said things I've agreed with here that make me feel like he's town?
Martin - Idk
Nanook - Counterclaimed a wolf or something. Just town unless there was a massive brain wolf bus.
Poison - Felt they were kinda townie? Was that this game?
Kyle - Idk. Feels like normal Kyle? Maybe? Might be thinking of a different game. Sorry.
Tony - People have been saying they're sure he's town but idk why.
Urist - Feels somewhat suspicious but that may just be his personality. Love the avatar.

This read list sucks. Never playing three games at once ever again.

The tony read is strange out of the colors for it. Especially since Tony has been heavily pushing a player Jack knows to be scum for a long time. Like, I have no clue why he says "but idk why" here

Also if @anyone-else is interested in scum-hunting I suggest going with a clean mindset or readslist, if not now then at F4/F3, and just looking at the known wolves and then just the ISO's of the people alive so far

Well I mean technically it relies on poison but its really focused on the singular interaction rather than anything else really

ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:02 pm
Poison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:01 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:00 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:52 pm @Jackofhearts2005 start here: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2055&p=736276#p736276
I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and shit I’m at 1% battery just a sec
It felt real to me.
Super close call. Phone shut down right afterwards.

Anyway, as I was saying, I don’t see anything in here that says you can’t be teammates.

But I don’t think scum LC does that performance and then turns around and go "look how good my theatre is" and I don't think other wolf team LC starts D2 like "look how I'm spewed as not the other wolf faction."
So basically we are town reading LC?
Who's "we" and why are you part of it?
Well he responded to Jack’s post so I think Jack!Scum TMI’s Poison!Scum.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:46 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:45 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:40 pm Lol is that a real read tho @ChopChop?
I mean if your scum then yeah.
If your not then it’s a pointless read.
I mean like...you think Poison responded to her wolf partner in thread like “Do we townread LC?”
“Yeah, Poison. Cause we’re wolves so we know LC isn’t one of us.” :wowee:

Honestly these two things looks like Chop Chop was trying to force an association read in order to scum-read Poison; nothing of it really relies on Poison at all and I feel if it were !scum Poison/Syn/Seanzie there would be more beef to the content that Chop is throwing here

As well as Jack maybe not just laughing the suggestion off.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 03, 2021 10:36 pm Btw, my daughter was very distressed by Poison’s avatar.

Terrible read idea that may be somewhat good but also somewhat just terrible:

Jack would have said this in scum chat if Poison/Syn/Seanzie was in there

I probably should've read the vs interactions there better, but my hindsight may be influencing me a bit.

Hopefully I can improve in reading tvt's in the future

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:37 pm hot take

Chop Chop & Jack are tvt

....................

Note to self: W-v-W can look dumb as well

(Btw we need a facepalm smilie or something; my homesite uses this)

For the credit.

Because likely if you're going to quote something as evidence why a buddy is scum

why not quote a town; if you're going to quote a scum buddy bussing a scum-buddy and just sheeping it I would imagine that in most circumstances it would just be better to find your own way there to pushing/bussing them

The fact that he's quoting Marmot

Even though he just had this interaction (below) is gth kinda a good look

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:09 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 3:24 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:08 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:49 am Not sure how I feel on Jack.
Not really providing stuff when he should be.
Lacking a bit.

@Jackofhearts2005
Name your top 2 town and why you TR them.
SPF for sure. Just feels obviously town in the same way they've felt obviously town when I've played with town SPF before. I don't think I've seen scum SPF before so I could just be wrong but for now, she's at the top of my list.

Falcon is probably my second top town read. Same issue as with SPF, me not knowing his scumgame, but he feels like he feels as a townie, aggressive in a good way.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:43 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:29 am
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:28 am i'm ok with bo or jack being yeeted but i don't think they're particularly likely to hit enclave.
peopleseyebrow.gif

Those statements seem to contradict. Do you think we're likely members some lesser scum group or what?
How does this contradict though?
It just means he would be willing to vote you he’s just not overly confident your groupscum.
Is he suppose to vote an imaginary SR instead?
He also said he didn't know or care what alignment Bo and I are.

For the record, I don't have a strong opinion about Urist's alignment and the "this seems to contradict" should be interpreted as "can you elaborate?" not "this is a scummy thing to say."

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:45 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:38 am Good talk, Urist.
Don’t like this.
He thinks he’s in the right zone here.

That's a joke. I asked Urist a question and he left without answering.
Yeah but you act as if it made you on a higher scale.
Also, your reads are like? Basic? If that makes sense.
Like “I TR them because when I played with them they played like this but IDK if they can do that as scum”
Pretty basic if you ask me.
.......

Why does that make me a wolf tho?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:11 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:02 pm
ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:49 am Not sure how I feel on Jack.
Not really providing stuff when he should be.
Lacking a bit.

@Jackofhearts2005
Name your top 2 town and why you TR them.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:43 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:29 am
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:28 am i'm ok with bo or jack being yeeted but i don't think they're particularly likely to hit enclave.
peopleseyebrow.gif

Those statements seem to contradict. Do you think we're likely members some lesser scum group or what?
How does this contradict though?
It just means he would be willing to vote you he’s just not overly confident your groupscum.
Is he suppose to vote an imaginary SR instead?

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:45 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:38 am Good talk, Urist.
Don’t like this.
He thinks he’s in the right zone here.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:45 am Ima like NullScum Jack.

ChopChop wrote: ↑Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:46 am Since he’s a competing wagon, I’ll join it.

I don't like this progression. The first post is fine, but I think ChopChop is looking for a reason to join the Jack wagon and it isn't a good one.
That’s exactly the impression I got and I wanted to make sure I wasn’t just no u tunneling.

[VOTE: ChopChop] aubergine

@c4e5g3d5

This suggests btw that Jack and the scum team may have considered at one point to bus Chop on D1

Dunno if it was just them two though

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:58 pm Alison, ChopChop, DaughterOfOmega, Grogu are all being given passes due to role-related stuff.

Imagine giving passes to only non-towns for role-related stuff.

Technically Enclave likely didn't know Alison was Slaver but still

(Obviously I don't think "just one thing" is going to cut it with the current living player list so I'm looking into ISO's more in the early game)

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:47 am
Urist wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:40 am
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 27, 2021 11:30 pm hard claim green team I think I am town I guess
i don't think it's really up for debate what he was claiming
Yeah, but this is the correct green color used for this game: #40FF40. Grogu used this one: #40BF40.

should I call this non-w/w for Marmot

I don't think wolf buddies would look into this and mention it later at D2 instead of on D1 or something

Basically after we chop jack, and if there's more after that, we go to a F4 MYLO.

Now idk about you guys but we can force the enclave to make it F3 LYLO (thus having the highest chance to hit scum) just by skipping the day after today

the only problem with that for me is that I think in 100% of those situations I die tonight or the night before F3 unless I'm a wolf at F3 or someone is oddly trying to make that leap of an argument via WIFOM'ed kills

Rank	Player	Post Count	Alignment	Game	Year
1	tutuu	1864	Civilian	Game of Champions 2020	2021
2	iaafr	1663	Civilian	Inception Mafia	2019
3	Justplayingitcool	1604	Civilian	Game of Champions 2020	2021
4	MacDougall	1507	Civilian	Radiohead Mafia	2020
5	Ricochet	1472	Civilian	Game of Champions 2015	2016
6	JaggedJimmyJay	1458	Civilian	Talking Heads Mafia (RYM #90)	2015
7	Michelle	1346	Civilian	Game of Champions 2020	2021
8	TonyStarkPrime	1268	Mafia	Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game	2021

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