The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 05, 2022 6:05 pm actually I will, we messed up using the crit on day 1 because I misread what the crit did and we had sabie carrying the kill and I was scared that sabie would be blocked, turns out crit doesn't even stop that whoops

I thought crit dodged role-blocks as well because from some of the places I've come from any sort of role-block is considered either a protection or "defense" as the setup puts it:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:34 am making it ignore all protections and defenses

Not to mention it words it as "all", which could've either meant multiple protections or all forms of protection.

I didn't mention it during the game though in the hopes that it was actually that case but mafia mis-read it as not doing that

glad to know it was TSP

I was getting sus of the very moment he called my logic bad

Maybe that would've ended up being CFTWR, but I've seen TSP last to end-game as wolf and win. Its just something he has done in the past.

I got an undisclosed amount of requests into my base, for once lol

Adding on that: To suggest my buildings destroyed via role-block if and only if my action got blocked would also suggest that I can always avoid having my buildings destroyed by doing nothing and doing no action.

Aside from being killed/saved.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 11:10 am Honestly yeah Martin is right he should have been roleblocked confirmed a long time ago.
Unfortunately now Mafia has a 1-shot RB immunity so he'd need to be roleblocked once on two separate nights to confirm via that method.
That being said though, that now applies to everyone.

I'm not sure thats how it works?

As far as I understand or imagine the crit works like a strongman

Like lets say I was the mafia and I was going to kill someone using the anti-rb canteen

Unless my target was the RB'er, my criminal act of murder would just simply happen before the RB took place. Rather than just saying "Oh LC's role-block never happened".

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:29 pm - Teleport canteen: player's the player's actions avoid roleblocking or misdirecting for one night.

In other words, the canteen would affect my actions. Not my slot. And as far as I understand, my role-card doesn't say my buildings are destroyed via role-block if and only if my action got role-blocked. No, it's about whether or not my slot got saved from a kill or hit by a role-block.

@Lime Coke

consider role-blocking me tonight as you will confirm my role to be town

if the last mafia wants to interfere with this they'll have to kill either you or me (at the risk of being watched)

you might not want to verbally plan out what you're actually doing today though; if mafia were certain you were going to do this they may end doing an anti-heal crit canteen on Marmot

any martin haters should read the above post

Welp, I was wrong with Sig.

As a general reminder, I need only be role-blocked once to be confirmed

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:34 am If the Engineer is roleblocked or survives a kill attempt due to protection, the oldest building in the base will be destroyed in the crossfire.

[...]

Mercenaries who work for the mafia have more advanced equipment that grant them the following bonuses:


- Engineer: The first time in the game one of his buildings would be destroyed (except by a Spy), it survives.

The mafia version of my role only loses the oldest building after a 2nd role-block.

And if Sig is indeed the 3rd mafia (which he should), then it is also not possible for there to be any sort of mafia coordination to "accidentally" block or save me twice.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 6:39 am in that game I had clearly out-lined that I had already hand-picked which roles would be mafia before the signups were even posted (though said mafia roles were not revealed)

Clarifying edit in parentheses.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 5:20 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:58 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:32 am 1) if the setup is anything but random I will be filing a complaint afterwards. the way it is presented strongly presents randomness.

How would it be not random?

If I were a hypothetical host, I would pick W X Y and Z roles to be mafia. Then the whole list would be randed to the players.

I guess you could rand which roles in said list were mafia, but that seems potentially prone to cause unbalance. I also don't think that's what I would do to a setup that I probably spent awhile carefully crafting so that everyone can have a potentially really powerful or impfactul role.

like taking this completely out of the game I would say that this method that you're describing here would be insanely irresponsible and would open up the door for a huge number of problems and should be avoided in all cases

like you can rand the game and if the rand is exceptionally out of order you can do something about it. Like for philo mafia we i think had to re-rand because the wolves got every single kill power role on the first go around. But even in that game the setup was closed so I felt comfortable doing something like that, I'm not sure if you can do that in an open setup.

to the second post which I'm not quoting here I'm not going to comment on the balance of the game in progress and i have opinions which I will never express

.....Okay then

I suppose I am speaking from the biased perspective of a host who recently did that on another site; however, in that game I had clearly out-lined that I had already hand-picked which roles would be mafia before the signups were even posted. In this game, it isn't outlined and I suppose I could see a potential problem with that if the players wanted to know that before-hand. My experience as the host in that game tells me there's very few problems with it because (among other things) mafia went on to stomp the game and not a single town got close to being right; more often than not they had one or two mafia locked in as town if another went down. Nor did anyone ever complain about it.

I'll stop talking about it now though and we can have this post-game. I apologize if this conversation seems angle-shooty or whatever to you, because I clearly don't have (or am aware of) the same values, experiences, or reasons as you do on this at the moment.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:58 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:32 am 1) if the setup is anything but random I will be filing a complaint afterwards. the way it is presented strongly presents randomness.

How would it be not random?

If I were a hypothetical host, I would pick W X Y and Z roles to be mafia. Then the whole list would be randed to the players.

I guess you could rand which roles in said list were mafia, but that seems potentially prone to cause unbalance. I also don't think that's what I would do to a setup that I probably spent awhile carefully crafting so that everyone can have a potentially really powerful or impfactul role.

Especially since the mafia at start just have 4 players or 22.2% of all players. Even with the small bonuses for the mafia, that doesn't seem to compensate for the fact that town will have 14 power roles which may be almost as equally powerful.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:32 am 1) if the setup is anything but random I will be filing a complaint afterwards. the way it is presented strongly presents randomness.

How would it be not random?

If I were a hypothetical host, I would pick W X Y and Z roles to be mafia. Then the whole list would be randed to the players.

I guess you could rand which roles in said list were mafia, but that seems potentially prone to cause unbalance. I also don't think that's what I would do to a setup that I probably spent awhile carefully crafting so that everyone can have a potentially really powerful or impfactul role.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:21 am the setup is open there's no speculation needed :P

Well I mean I saw the setup more as a "These are the roles, but some at to be picked to be mafia at host's discretion." style

so like I see any sort of guessing that Host would do X or Y to give balance to mafia or whatever as to be equivalent to setup speculation; its not completely open if we don't know what roles are going to be mafia imo.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:21 am i was talking about why we might want to kill naa today

Oh well I guess so. Dunno why you popped up with that suddenly after calling my logic for yeeting NAA as bad.

Its also a bit ironic that you're using setup speculation after my own setup speculation wrt Sabie having a blue engi role....which you called probabilistically bad logic lol

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 3:50 am so i mean arbitrarily don't give wolves double kp but idk

What if both medics are town?

I don't see why not.

And I also agree with Guilo's point on how NAA was infuential in the Seanzie CFD but seemingly hasn't shot anyone yet. It seems almost contradictory and we're somehow lucky that a !town NAA hasn't stabbed anyone yet. Or they tried to at some point but failed and just didn't mention it. Which doesn't seem impossible imo with the amount of ways things can fail in this game.

I was also kinda tinfoiling that maybe NAA brought up that list to fish Falcon's color from him.

That feels in-line with this statement from NAA imo

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:32 pm Lucky guess. How do you think I know your color?

I can't really relate to making such a statement in any other way. At least not that I can immediately think of.

Don't forget that Nanook decided to save Sabie, despite himself being Red scout.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 10:38 pm So one mafia in Sig/LP/TSP/Guilo/(one of Dobly/LC)/NAA.

Looking at D1 votecount though only Dolby (if he's blue), NAA, TSP, are the only currently-living blues to have voted to save sabie.

LP and Guilo voted to not save (i.e. hard-bussed Sabie if they were wolves).

something something reasoning in my head I think that last part implies LP and Guilo town more-so for the vote on Sabie since they were blue and yet did not try to save mafia-blue-engi sabie

Sig voted Guilo & LC voted Jack; both off mainstream wagons.

Therefore, I think in connection in my last post this likely implies at least a wolf in TSP/NAA (And Dolby if he's blue). Less likely though still implied wolf in Sig/LC (if blue). Least likely in between LP/Guilo amongst the blues since they directly voted to kill Sabie.

I thought I should put things together since I just realized having Blue Engi as mafia likely implies at least one mafia on blue team otherwise they cannot make much use of it. Especially since Sabie went for Dispenser on night one.

Reds:

Medic- Falcon
Soldier- Marmot
Pyro- Wilgy
Sniper- Gavial
Heavy- Mac
Demoman- 1 of Dolby/LC
Scout- Nanook
Engi- MartinGG99
Spy- Dyslexicon

Blues:

Medic- Sig
Soldier- Jack
Pyro- LP
Sniper- TSP
Heavy- Guilo
Demoman- 1 of Dolby/LC
Scout- Seanzie
Engi- Sabie12
Spy- NAA

I couldn't find anything said about LC or Dolby being an RB'er or a certain color other than NAA's list.

So one mafia in Sig/LP/TSP/Guilo/(one of Dobly/LC)/NAA.

I wanna flip NAA in connection to this tbh. If the mafia were on the blue side they may have more incentive than mafia on the red side to try and save Sabie.

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:43 pm If I'm being honest Medic's roleblocking is probably just the optimal play.

WCS we clear 3-4 people from not having preformed the Mafia Factional kill
BCS we roleblock the kill and we know for a fact it was roleblocked and not healed meaning PoE immedaitly is narrowed down to 4 people.

Not to mention Mafia has the ability to bypass healing, but not roleblocking.

I wouldn't like to be role-blocked but it is also possible to remove any doubt on my slot (*cough* *cough* guilo *cough* *cough*) by simply role-blocking me once.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:34 am If the Engineer is roleblocked or survives a kill attempt due to protection, the oldest building in the base will be destroyed in the crossfire.

[...]

Mercenaries who work for the mafia have more advanced equipment that grant them the following bonuses:


- Engineer: The first time in the game one of his buildings would be destroyed (except by a Spy), it survives.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 9:09 pm Far exceeded the number of mafia?

Well I guess not "far" but still exceeded, and I believed there was no strong reason for mafia to be on that wagon especially since it happened so late into the phase and therefore it could not be presumed that everyone had evaluated that wagon or had the ability to switch.

viewtopic.php?p=881067#p881067

This post by the host shows 6 votes on Seanzie.

And, also, like

mafia never intend to appear scummy

and yet they will (for which reason they are caught)

Likewise, town generally never intend to do something stupid or not really solvy

and yet sometimes they eventually will

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 7:41 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 6:56 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:45 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:35 pm I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

This screams to me like "Oh no! Don't look at Seanzie's wagon, there are a few of my mafia partners of mine here".

I remember this is the post that raised a red flag for me. Disregarding the CFD as stupid rather than scummy is scummy and is probably TMIng some people on Seanzie's wagon town, but who? NAA? TSP? Both? Or could it be that he is calling out his partners stupid for ending up on Seanzie's wagon, outing themselves?

lol you

What you're claiming about me TMI'ing the wagon is about equally reachy as the hypothetical thought that LP TMI'ed the Seanzie voters as town in this quote:

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:37 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:35 pm I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

Honestly yeah, Town should never have gone for that terrible wagon. There was literally no reason to vote Seanzie whatsoever.

And besides, I thought Dizzy made it very clear and brought up good evidence that Seanzie was probably town based on post wording and meta. I even vouched for it since I compared it to a past mafia game of Seanzie's. Additionally, aside from that, there hardly had been any valid discussion about any sort of perceived scumminess of Seanzie.

Anyone who CFD'ed Seanzie, even disregarding the fact that it was a CFD, was acting fundamentally stupid.

Nah. There is no player here that is stupid, every action and every read must be assumed to be have been done considering all the risks and benefits. The CFD was deliberate and judging it as stupid is taking away from its importance.

Oh I never said anybody was stupid.

People can and will still do the absurdly dumbest of things though; myself will also do something very stupid at some point (if not already in my life).

Thing is, sometimes its really difficult to tell the difference between town stupid and mafia open-wolfing...especially since the # of votes far exceeded the number of mafia.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:51 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:12 pm I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

I'm less interested than any single person being in that list than I am interested in how you arrived to putting all 3 of Guilo/Gavial/Me together

Off the top of my head that makes for a bit of a unusual group considering one of them I townread, the other I haven't really read, and I myself is scum-read by Guilo and mild town-read by Gavial.

Did you answer this MacDougall?

he did

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 12:47 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:50 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:12 pm I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

I'm less interested than any single person being in that list than I am interested in how you arrived to putting all 3 of Guilo/Gavial/Me together

Off the top of my head that makes for a bit of a unusual group considering one of them I townread, the other I haven't really read, and I myself is scum-read by Guilo and mild town-read by Gavial.

the three of you are just wolfy

If you can bring up good reasons as to why it shouldn't be called stupid then maybe I won't think that it's your hobby to tunnel me every once-in-awhile with ridiculously paranoid reasoning

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:45 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:35 pm I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

This screams to me like "Oh no! Don't look at Seanzie's wagon, there are a few of my mafia partners of mine here".

I remember this is the post that raised a red flag for me. Disregarding the CFD as stupid rather than scummy is scummy and is probably TMIng some people on Seanzie's wagon town, but who? NAA? TSP? Both? Or could it be that he is calling out his partners stupid for ending up on Seanzie's wagon, outing themselves?

lol you

What you're claiming about me TMI'ing the wagon is about equally reachy as the hypothetical thought that LP TMI'ed the Seanzie voters as town in this quote:

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:37 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:35 pm I personally don't feel like investigating the seanzie votes because I'm largely sure that what happened was stupid

there was so little discussion around yeeting seanzie (compared to most voting options at least) that I doubt I would be able to tell the difference from mafia and town votes lol

Honestly yeah, Town should never have gone for that terrible wagon. There was literally no reason to vote Seanzie whatsoever.

And besides, I thought Dizzy made it very clear and brought up good evidence that Seanzie was probably town based on post wording and meta. I even vouched for it since I compared it to a past mafia game of Seanzie's. Additionally, aside from that, there hardly had been any valid discussion about any sort of perceived scumminess of Seanzie.

Anyone who CFD'ed Seanzie, even disregarding the fact that it was a CFD, was acting fundamentally stupid.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Open to possibly voting Flacon but I think Wilgy is the right move for today.

Might pop-in later to do more ISO reviews & catching up, but as it stands (in no particular order):

Town
Sig
LP
Dolby
Guilo
Marmot

Probably town?
TSP
Mac
LC

idk
NAA
Wilgy
Falcon

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 30, 2021 8:22 am Also was everyone talking about mech early D3?

ebwop

I got to re-reviewing Falcon and I suspect my earlier tangible reasons for town-reading him were partially based on Sabie interactions and in the light of possible TMI I now am not as certain about that being a good look.

Also was everyone mech early D3? I stopped actively reading the thread around that point. Seems like Falcon was mentioning it a lot in relative comparison to the size of his ISO.

Errr D2 not D1

reading some of the posts on this page

I would like to express that I think Sig's posts in early D1 (in particular with respect to LP) were preety towny

Its more of a feel thing but if I had to sum it up he didn't seem to feel threatened or self-concerned in a bad way and I think how he reacted to LP (while suspecting LP at that time) was rather genuine and towny


sorry Marmot I had to increase the post-count

hi yes its a rare sighting of martin

this flip is going to be interesting

if its town then im kinda not looking forward to it as I prob have to re-eval most people on it (i.e. effort)

if its mafia then I think less so but prob scan for any immediate signs of bussing, and if nanooks dead mafia that just leaves 2 maf and I could imagine they're anywhere

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:54 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:52 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:46 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:45 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:41 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:38 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 11:29 am

Have you ever considered that some people in this game other than me don't respect you as a player, similar to how you view me when you think I'm town?

This came up when I read a post from Mac that did the same discrediting of a "town read" as you're claiming Martin did to you.

Highly doubt it's alignment indicative

That is not Martin, he respects me as a player.

Do you townread Martin? Why are you fighting his fight?

I can't speak for him, but I doubt he was ever planning on replying to this. So not really fighting his fight.

You are… speaking for him… that is the whole point.

I am guessing what he's thinking, some might argue that's the point of the game.

No, yoy are white knighting him.

Why dont we ask him? @MartinGG99

What do you think about that yo?

If NAA says he doubts I was ever going to reply to you then whatever he said (that you're referring to) probably didn't represent what I was thinking

also large quote auto-cut-off sucks

skimmed posts until I saw new people talking

if I got this right

Falcon -> Marmot (save)
Mac -> Mac (save)
LC -> Jack (block)
Dolby -> Nanook (block)

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:45 am Ok sure

I blocked Nanook last night

oh nvm that answers my question

could be one of jack/nook

sooooo from what I understand

LC claimed block on Jack

but for some reason we're voting Nanook 800ish posts later?

errr posts not pages

oh jfc

did the game really jump 1k pages in the last 24 hours

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:18 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:14 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:12 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:09 am While I’m still almost positive it’s Falcon I’m pretty sure both TSP/Marmot are wolves.

Why Marmot? They watched Sabie killing Dyslexicon, unless Marmot is counterclaimed, Marmot is the watcher and mech cleared.

Correction. They watched dyslexicon being killed by Sabie.

Yep.
A very easy play I can see Sabie making with their scum buddies and if you look at both Marmot’s and Sabine’s position day 1 their best play going into the next day would be to have 1 Buss the other for town credit.

One thing I don't understand though in this theory is why Marmot does the "catch". If Marmot is on a wolf team then anyone else on the team could easily pretend to be someone else's role on the wolf team and just have someone else claim watcher and bus Sabie.

Marmot doesn't seem to be doing much, and if it were up to me I probably would've had someone else do the bus so they could go even deeper. With marmot in my view his catch was only just enough for me to read him as probably town but not lock-town. I.e. just enough to sit out of the danger zone for a bit.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:04 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:48 pm fwiw I was beginning to suspect Guilo last phase (as I couldn't see anything convincingly towny about them) but considering Sabie flipped Evil Engi and Guilo maintained and/or even furthered his suspicion of me on D2 despite the fact I claimed engi earlier and Sabie got checked

spews Guilo as town and cannot be possibly a wolf bussing unless he fully intended to indict himself as being a poor solver so far wrt my slot

This is scum. Townreads me while he discredits me as a poor solver, I rather be scumread to be honest that accept that suck ass townread to be frank.

I correctly scum read Sabie since day 1, yah I'm a poor solver alright.

1) I said wrt ("with respect to" or "with consideration to") my slot: Yes you were (or still are; I can't tell if you're serious about "This is scum" here since you haven't voted me) incorrectly solving my slot as scum when that is very much not the case.

2) I do not easily give town-reads over pushes on (or catching) scum. Anyone can do that and in fact I myself have yet to have a scum game where I didn't push or put serious pressure on at least one of my scummates afaik. I am in general very skeptical of giving credit for wolf flips (especially to experienced players) unless there is a nuance that I think makes it unlikely to have been a push by a wolf.

3) I found a nuance that I think makes your push actually look town-read worthy. Its because you've been carting the idea that I'm scum all around on day 2 while Sabie was caught and I claimed engi. This is very unlikely to be done by a wolf when bussing Sabie in this scenario because they are knowingly and willfully dooming one of their scum-reads to be discredited by the scum engi flip.

4) If you're serious about scum-reading me rn for that observation then you're discrediting your solving ability by yourself at this very moment; you only have yourself to blame at this point. its proven I'm town after sabie's evil engi flip and any consideration that I'm not should be viewed as being ridiculous and extremely tinfoil.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Dec 26, 2021 11:45 pm why would they use it on you
serious question if I sound rhetorical

im the other engi

im locktown unless you wanna tinfoil a scumteam with 2 engis

who did the exact same thing n1

fwiw I was beginning to suspect Guilo last phase (as I couldn't see anything convincingly towny about them) but considering Sabie flipped Evil Engi and Guilo maintained and/or even furthered his suspicion of me on D2 despite the fact I claimed engi earlier and Sabie got checked

spews Guilo as town and cannot be possibly a wolf bussing unless he fully intended to indict himself as being a poor solver so far wrt my slot

ngl I was expecting them to use their single-use crit on someone like me or Marmot

I don't fully understand why they wouldn't

unless they used that on dislexicon but that seems rather rash and unlikely imo

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:41 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:40 pm so you quote my post to get my attention with a statement unrelated to the quote

and then you put in the actual effort to @ me a few moments later with a separate thing

im confused as to why you even quoted my post in the first place

TSP interacted with you.

I'm afraid even if I tilted my head 180 degrees I still wouldn't understand that so I'll pretend I do:

okay

so you quote my post to get my attention with a statement unrelated to the quote

and then you put in the actual effort to @ me a few moments later with a separate thing

im confused as to why you even quoted my post in the first place

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 11:11 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 9:56 pm Btw no one requested to enter red base tonight.

Did you claim a color?

Does it matter?

Btw no one requested to enter red base tonight.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:12 pm I also want Gavial, Guillo and Martin to die.

I'm less interested than any single person being in that list than I am interested in how you arrived to putting all 3 of Guilo/Gavial/Me together

Off the top of my head that makes for a bit of a unusual group considering one of them I townread, the other I haven't really read, and I myself is scum-read by Guilo and mild town-read by Gavial.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:26 pm If engies get more than 1 request they know one is Mafia.
And if engies get no request we just learn a Heavy is Mafia.

there could be an issue of the other engi lying about who they got requests from but that creates a boxed-in scenario where the person has to claim they requested joining an engi's base and we just figure out who's lying