The Syndicate

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:26 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:12 pm DDL in my defense had some incriminating night actions visiting the kill, then the burn victim. That was unlucky.

You do realize your entire case about me was about something I claimed about my role?

Maybe if I was scum I wouldn't have claimed something that made me look so bad?

Of course, this is wifom. But wifom goes both ways, it should also make you doubt the validity of it as evidence. I wouldn't take into consideration a free bad claim like that so easily I think.

Its easy to realize that in retrospect. But In the moment all I was thinking was "whoa this guy visited these two dead/dying ppl".

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 8:22 pm GG maf!
Thanks for hosting Nanook!

Really happy that I got to play with all of you again or for the first time!

DVC https://discord.gg/YBEBVU

thanks for inviting me to play Carot

Nice win Cayvie, and Fatmo. Ya'll out played me pretty good.

I feel like this was a pretty middling performance on my end lol. Even tho my gut SR on Cayvie ended up true, I kept letting other things take precedence. DDL, and Carot, were both bad pushes that I take more of the responsiblity for. DDL in my defense had some incriminating night actions visiting the kill, then the burn victim. That was unlucky.

I was impressed by how quickly PSI adapted into this game when she's probably the least experienced starmen.netter. She really is a natural imo. (Also had some good reads to boot)

I was really happy that my gut read on Cassowary ended up being correct. Its a shame we didnt come together on Fatmo, or Cayvie, in the endgame.

DoV, Sorry the game didnt treat you favorably this time. Mafia isnt alwas a very new player freindly game unfortently. Sorry i didnt see you for the townie you were. D:

Since voting DoV end the day phase I'll put my vote on Fatmo.

In case there is more to talk about before flipping DoV, or if Fatmo gains interest over DoV. I gues I dont really have priority between the two?

Sleeping on Fatmo's night actions those first two LC, and Wigly, really do look like choices scum would pick while hunting for town power in early game. Given thier go with the flow approach this game I dont find them claiming PR when VT was better that far'fateched.

[VOTE: Fatmo] aubergine

I guess im still paranoid about cayvie, and i think if scum is picked today out of dov, and fatmo. Still look into Cayvie tomorrow. As my top TR Cass should be king maker tomarrow.

cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 2:16 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:44 am idk maybe I do favor Fatmo over DoV tomarrow.

Do you mean over Cayvie?

my head's just swiming between the three of them tonight.

im probably voting between DoV and fatmo tomarrow yeah

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considering everybody is suspecting DoV first and formost that means DoV has to be bussed here if hes scum. which i guess goes without saying.

Cayvie, what points to fatmo, and DoV being scum togather?

is it all just PoE forom your PoV?

I know you said that FatmoxCass dont make sense, and im inclined to agree. But what about Cass, and DoV?

idk maybe I do favor Fatmo over DoV tomarrow.

Have a good night

Like normal i wont be here at EoD, so I'll have to place my vote before i leave in the morning

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Fatmo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 am Oh, we're mass claiming.

I'm June from the Fire Nation. I'm a tracker.

I tracked Long Con N1. He didn't go anywhere.

Tracked Wiggly N2. He didn't go anywhere.

I tracked Cass N3, and I got no result. I'm pretty sure this means they are Water Nation so my track doesn't work there because I'm fire.

First two nights I was going for two people me and the thread in general didn't seem to know what to make of. Cass was because a lot of people had suspected them earlier but that seemed to be kind of dying down from what I gathered. And maybe scum would have sent him to kill if they thought he was starting to be more village read.

So we know Long Con didn't do the kill N1, Wiggly didn't do it N2 (unless I was roleblocked those nights), and that Cass is likely Water Nation.

Do LC, and Wigley make sense for scum tracker to prospect for town power? I reckon with Marcher's guidance that could be so. Since Marcher played with them previously.

Cassowary is an interesting choice as that does sound like a townie tracker thought process.

analisiying Fatmo's tracker visits post mass claim dont really have much weight b/c scum Fatmo is expecting some analisis for thier actions

cassowary wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:03 am

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:44 am cayvie-dov: do you think we leave fatmo, who can track either of us, alive?

Pedit: yeah the 1v1 scenario is the only way I can think that Cayvie/dov really works with these nightkills, but it's quite a while for them to expect to go without getting caught. Your intense townread on fatmo is giving me pause, but I'm leaning towards the "fatmo is scum and they didn't think this through" hypothesis at this point I think.

the intensity of my Fatmo TR has dropped considerably tbh. I think i still like Dov, or Cayvie more for scum. But like, I dont think there no chance Fatmo is scum.

confirm not voting

Fatmo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:46 am This GM made ISO links in the OP of that game.

unfortunately it appears that non-members cant veiw the iso,

cayvie wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:44 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:09 am

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:19 pm i think it's my turn. ultimately i just don't see a world where dov is town. [VOTE: dov] aubergine

this probably means it's gonna be me/fatmo/cass tomorrow. tho maybe there's still a doctor out there, so that might shake things up? afaik we still don't know why char didn't die from the burns

like at this point the only world i see where dov is town is one where char is mafia and burned himself twice, and, honestly, im almost okay losing to that. i guess that would make either him or cass a mafia doctor?

their aren't any alignment specific roles tho, so mafia wouldnt get a dedicated mafia doc. And i doubt there are two docs with that'd be OP if they both randed town.

do you have any good points for why its DoVxFatmo?

I understand that its them together, or me, and im less likely scum by comparison. But from my PoV idk if you're town. Can you help me see it?

well i assume a doc would be mafia because a town doc would have claimed, and someone stopped the burns. i guess it could be a mafia backup too, who took nutella's role.

i don't really know how to make you see that i'm town. it's kind of the mixed blessing of being in the POE, that i feel like i have a clearer view of the game because i can eliminate myself from consideration. i guess i just gotta ask who i would be partnered with

cayvie-cass: do you think i jump onto cass day 1, when it's 7-4 in favor of jiwon?
cayvie-dov: do you think we leave fatmo, who can track either of us, alive?
cayvie-fatmo: do you think i let him claim tracker, for one?

yeah, the nk is still the odd thing about you and DoV as a team. Cass said something about you could 1v1 Fatmo and claim their scum, but that doesn't account for the whole day phase before now when Fatmo getting a guilty means a guaranteed trade off.

Fatmo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:29 am I think the following is the only game I've played as scum for like a year. Even though I mentioned I was busy or whatever a bit on D1 there like I have here, I was still much more active there than I've been here. Trying to manipulate things and whatnot.

https://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/vie ... 14&t=60569

is there a way to iso on Diplomacy?

Most likely team is DoV, and Cayvie. imo Cayive was just willing to hard bus to play counterintuitive to the meta she provided. DoV playing into that as well by voting Cayvie here. Hard mutual bussing since as a team they couldn't reliably win together. I mean fatmo existing is also a great deal of pressure on them. If Fatmo reads one of them correctly they had to be prepared ahead of time. Then also the long list of dead townies SR DoV is also something stressful for CayvieXDoV that motivates bussing.

Fatmo could be with DoV, though nothing really points to it directly so far. I would be surprised if its Fatmo, and Cayvie, together.

Dont really feel like its Cassowary anymore. I was probably getting unduly worked up over a niche scenario yesterday.

Fatmo wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:07 am I mean I'm pretty surprised I'm still alive as an outed tracker lol. I thought I wouldn't last until now.

I claimed when I did because I wanted to help the more active players solve the game with whatever info could be gained from my tracks and claim. And so if I actually caught a scum it wouldn't be a complete blindside with no reason to believe me. I thought about not claiming and continuing to just try to track people, but figured I'd go along with the massclaim to contribute my piece to the puzzle, since I at least had the clears I already had and the fact that Cass was likely Water Tribe.

Can i see some prevous scum games of yours?

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:19 pm i think it's my turn. ultimately i just don't see a world where dov is town. [VOTE: dov] aubergine

this probably means it's gonna be me/fatmo/cass tomorrow. tho maybe there's still a doctor out there, so that might shake things up? afaik we still don't know why char didn't die from the burns

like at this point the only world i see where dov is town is one where char is mafia and burned himself twice, and, honestly, im almost okay losing to that. i guess that would make either him or cass a mafia doctor?

their aren't any alignment specific roles tho, so mafia wouldnt get a dedicated mafia doc. And i doubt there are two docs with that'd be OP if they both randed town.

do you have any good points for why its DoVxFatmo?

I understand that its them together, or me, and im less likely scum by comparison. But from my PoV idk if you're town. Can you help me see it?

Maybe Fatmo is just scum that didnt realize the ramifications of claiming their role when they did. :/

A lot of the reasons I thought they were town were tied to me thinking that scum them would be aware that they were making things harder for themselves. Which given how roughly Fatmo has been follow the game... idk

wish Fatmo would hurry up and out thier result. We're almost halfway through this day phase. :/

Ill be back tonight as usual.

If anybody has things for me to reread please do point me in that direction.

Thanks DoV.

Who do you think is scum with Cayvie?

Ugh, mechanically a town fatmo really points towards Cass scum. Any team with cassowary isnt afraid of a tracker. So cop clears always take precedence.

Cass, if youre scum, you really stepped up your game this time around. Like wow...

cassowary wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:36 am

chardonnay wrote: ↑Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:30 am cayive could just be ditching DOV here, and hoping to win a 3 way with Cassowary, and fatmo.

This is my #1 fear rn. I doubt it's Cayvie+Fatmo, but I don't know whether I should trust Cayvie or Fatmo in that case.

Re fatmo's claim, yeah that is definitely kind of weird. The only scum motive I can really think of would be, like, if fatmo claimed VT and they were worried someone else would later turn out to be an investigative (like, watcher or something) who could spot fatmo visiting someone (either for track or kill) and call them out. But I think in that case when the doc is dead, why not just kill the investigator next night before they have the chance to spot you? It's a massclaim, you know who they would be. So I think that's kind of a weird choice to make for scum in this position :/

On the other hand this is kind of wifom especially in this game where roles are alignment blind; like maybe fatmo is scum and claimed tracker bc it doesn't say anything about his alignment and claiming a PR gives him a bit of town cred. (although it also makes people more suspicious of you when you aren't dead... so like... hmm)

In a town fatmo world do you think Cayvie/dov leave fatmo alive when the risk of getting caught is so high? I guess yeah because if they got rid of fatmo they'd have to try to make everyone vote me... and because it'd be easy to write off fatmo's results as trying to frame Cayvie or whatever. I guess it wouldn't be too hard to wifom out of that situation.

I really wish we'd already flipped Cayvie. I'm sorry about that, I know dead chat probably wants to kill us right now.

I dont think CayvieXFatmo is ever a thing. Fatmo was pretty widely town read, nobody really messing with that slot. Then Cayvie comes in and makes it look as scummy as DoV. Thats some really wild bussing that risks them the game for no reason.

Yeah... i was wondering "what if" Fatmo claimed w/o thinking of ramifications as scum. I feel like Scum wouldnt do that, but i its not impossible.

hmmm, actully in a CayviexDov would that probably would hit Fatmo. Or if not Cayvie would act more appeasing towards Fatmo, b/c as Fatmo's strongest town read Cayvie was not at much risk to be tracked. But with the stuff she was pushing yesterday Fatmo may decide to track Cayvie. So cayvie willingly puts herself in a bad position pushing on Fatmo yesterday as scum.

In a cavyie scum world is she most afraid of LC/Wigley/Fatmo?

LC might be a weird start since he wasn't scum reading her (tho he was scum reading DOV), wigley was an obstacle in a lylo, fatmo was potentially an obstacle depending where they tracked.

So Cass and CAyvie is a no-go.

Fatmo i think is town, but i would like to talk about it more w/ others.

Teams is most likely DoV, and one of Cassowary/Cayvie.

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:47 pm

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:43 pm

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:31 pm fatmo is still alive.
fatmo has claimed fire nation tracker

to me this either says:
fatmo is mafia
there's a water tribe person in the mafia team who can't get tracked by fatmo

So, you think there's mafia in { me, chardonnay, fatmo }?

Isn't it possible mafia just killed off one of the green-checked people because they didn't want to narrow the pool of unconfirmed town?

To clarify here, had mafia killed off Fatmo, they'd essentially narrow the mafia pool down to you, Carot, and dov, where 2/3 of those were mafia. Bad odds. Fatmo isn't remotely cleared by this of course, but I don't think killing LC means as much as you're making it out to mean.

I think this kind of questioning of an allies push onto a townie is dangerous b/c if partner supplies reasonable explanation why what thier buddy is pushing is incorrect, then that could ruin the push and cost mafia the game. This is more specific to the game being so close to bieng done. mafia need their plans to go down w/o a hitch more now then ever.

cassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:45 pm i'll probably flip onto cayvie to break the tie if it's still a tie in like an hour. bc ties are broken by the mafia, so if cayvie's maf, there's no sense in giving them the choice, and if cayvie is town then we're ending up with a misflip no matter whether or not we're tied

Cassowary casually offering to flip cayvie to break the tie is also really risky.

Cassowary as scum alone would be facing DoV, Fatmo in 3 way most liekly. Fatmo can clear DOV as town due to no movement at night. So Cass is forced into a 1v1 right away.

I guess Cassowary could take me to 3 way with Fatmo since Fatmo cant clear either of us. But still thats p risky.

[mention]Fatmo[/mention]
Could you do me a favor and share prevous scum games of yours?

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[mention]cassowary[/mention]
Talk to me about Fatmo's claim, do you think Fatmo cliams tracker in thier position as mafia?

cayive could just be ditching DOV here, and hoping to win a 3 way with Cassowary, and fatmo.

THat might actully make more sense then Cayvie and Cass togather.

Something doesnt feel right about FatmoXDoV.

I should investigate Cassowary a bit more. I sorta hand waved them as sorted a for a while, and thats dangerous since we're in lylo

cayvie wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:51 pm do we want to set up a vote order? i think it's a good plan to force scummier players to vote first, in a situation like this.

my proposed order would be:

1 dov
2 fatmo
3 cayvie
4 cass
5 char

cassowary wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:23 pm yeah, I think that makes sense esp since as you pointed out we actually need 2/3 to hammer which i did forget

i bet chard would want to swap you and fatmo in the list tho

@chardonnay, what's informing your fatmo read? are you still townreading fatmo over cayvie? can't decide tbh :/

@Fatmo, do you have a track result?

i doubt anyone will take issue with putting dov first on the list though, so @dov you should go ahead and vote for someone

If this really is Cavie, and Cass, it would make sense to support my position of power as a town leader, and point me at DoV.

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:38 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:33 pm

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:29 pm

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:36 pm I guess you said dov/carotte earlier but like, now you're saying one of me or fatmo is mad? how does that square

i... would appreciate some other eyes on this exchange. i'm starting to feel like you're not engaging in good faith here, cass.

like, i hadn't put it together that you or fatmo is probably maf when i thought dov/carot was the most likely team. so no, right now, i don't think dov/carot is the team, because that team does not leave fatmo alive.

unless they really thought long con had to go? he was gunning for dov pretty hard. idk. i don't think it's them.

i think fatmo/dov makes sense. they would kill long con for being onto the whole "mj busing a partner" business.

who did fatmo say he tracked again

Cayvie... if fatmo was mafia, and was not in any hot water... then why would they cliam anything other then VT?

b/c claiming Tracker means that going into a lylo situation as unkilled claimed PR is going to look super bad

i mean it doesn't tho because there's water tribe people around and he can be like "they didn't need to kill me, they left me alive bc they knew they were safe from my track"

THing is that i dont think Fatmo ever has the charisma as scum to push that argument.

They've very much been dedicated to sheeping within their TR's and thats it. They aren't super self-motivated in a way that lets them set-up to push townie water tribe in lylo. In fact Fatmo was Town reading me EoD4 I believe. After mass claim were scum!Fatmo would need to plant a SR on me or something. I dont think they have a current read on Cass.

They were also town reading you last i checked. SO that means that they really came into today with thier pants down if thier scum. They dont really have a team to push. Even tho they arent a strong presence this game i feel Fatmo is smart enough to realize the bad position they were putting themselves in. Whereas town is not aware b/c they actually think their reads could flip mafia.

cassowary wrote: ↑Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:23 pm yeah, I think that makes sense esp since as you pointed out we actually need 2/3 to hammer which i did forget

i bet chard would want to swap you and fatmo in the list tho

@chardonnay, what's informing your fatmo read? are you still townreading fatmo over cayvie? can't decide tbh :/

@Fatmo, do you have a track result?

i doubt anyone will take issue with putting dov first on the list though, so @dov you should go ahead and vote for someone

The thing about Fatmo is that i don't understand scum coming into a masscliam. Seeing thier still widely town read. Then claiming their legit PR role instead of VT. Claiming VT would be much safer.

General notice that im going to try and evaluate as much as possible, and explore some topics that may not be likely.

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I read through some of cayvie's champ game from mafia universe. The end game specifically. She keeps her allies in a nullish area during endgame there.

This game i noticed that past few days Cayvie outted suspicion for most the roster currently alive at one point or another. Except for me, but i was semi-cleared from burns so thats understand able for her to trust in. I believe that would point her not being with Fatmo, or DoV, this game, since shes hard selling them as a team. Probably dov moreso since he is probably her vote today, if she votes him then she wouldnt have to bus Fatmo. If shes mafia its with Cassowary most liekly. THats not really a world i find as likely as Fatmo/Dov. But its worth considering.

I think that there is some things to take into account, like her being on the verge of a prefect victory in her champ game might discourage her bussing. Whereas this game she lost mafia fam early on in the game. So she may be more inclined to play survivalistically.

@cayvie if you have more scum games demonstrating your typical endgame play please share. Im not sure if Poir mafia is worth exploring if its not your typical scum game play.
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also aside that cayvie seemed a lot more theatrical in her scum game, compared to this game where she seems focused on playing the game and avoided tangets.

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Pre-edit

I dont know about voting order just yet. Im fine to have DOV lead RN tho. (Votes are retractable this Endgame right?)

I wish i voted DoV tbh. >.>

I feel like yesterday went to fast before i could get my crap together, and i went with my gut.

cassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:28 pm i don't think it's chardonnay or wilgy

fmpov this leaves 3 teams, cayvie/fatmo, cayvie/dov, or dov/fatmo

if i can eliminate one of these i'll know who to vote

i can try and look into this too

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[mention]cayvie[/mention] In endgame senerios do you pull youre buddies closer, or distance yourself from them?

If you have previous examples from other games that would be appreciated.

cayvie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:35 pm

cassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:32 pm legit if it turns out chard is scum and is leading me on with this towntell business i'll be... well, i'll be vaguely upset for like 2 seconds

but also i don't think chard being scum makes sense with this whole burn thing barring some extremely weird shenanigans so i feel p confident trusting him

i'm with you there, i think. like that play would just be *so* daring for your first time on a new forum etc

i've made my fair share of wild mafia gambits, but I'd say that this situation is not one i could pull off as scum.

dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:58 pm

cassowary wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:47 pm

dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:34 pmi never saw a real objective in voting carrot. i don't think I would've defended against the decision if I was scum

um:

dov wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:24 pmnot feeling anything with fatmo, may be carrotte in a scenario where i am still alive based on her knowing it's my first game knowing i will be very vulnerable (then again lots of people could've used this strategy on this basis, i just know her personally)

still wasn't strong enough evidence to make me swerve towards voting her though as I didn't see her as a present threat. if I was correct about that read anyways, I would assume myself to continue to live anyways and would prioritize on other maf member

who was the other member? me?

I hope this is the one

[VOTE: Carot] aubergine

Fatmo wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 2:45 am Last night, I tracked Dov and they didn't go anywhere.

If dov is mafia i would expect his partner to be making the kill b/c his under lots of pressure by comparison to others.

I guess it does root out solo DoV mafia

I have to go into work in like 5 minites, so that how long i have to make a descion. I wont be here for EoD

CAyvie looks more town in general today compared to yesterday.

I think this is more likely a DoVxCarot world then a FatmoxDoV, FatmoxCarot, CayviexFatmo, CayviexDoV, CayvieXCarot-world

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Is no-flip correct play today? i dont thing we came to a conclusion there

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:50 pm

I was resisting the urge to do pre-flip associations but now it's kinda tingling me.

I'm considering chardonnay, Long Con, Wilgy and Cassowary as town. That leaves a pool of: DDL - cayvie - dov - Fatmo

v!DDL world means one of the following combination:

cayvie-dov
cayvie-fatmo
dov-fatmo

dov-fatmo feels wrong and sounds wrong. Like, I don't have a *precise* reason that comes to my mind immediately but it just doesn't really feel like the sense of the thread, if that makes sense.

cayvie-dov means cayvie decided to play the full bus when Marcher was under the spotlight. There's like, no coming back from the way she pushed dov. I can see so many easier roads than the full bus in this world, I think it's unlikely.

cayvie-fatmo might be a thing but also eh.

So yeah, v!DDL world seems really unlikely to me.

hmmmn I vaguely remember nutella saying something about Marcher having a 'desperate' push on Fatmo. I'll take a closer look because if the team is really all the low-posters I don't think MJ's strategy is to bus.

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Just to know, is it common to have uuuuh roles like "lost child/lost wolf/passenger wolf" here? Like a mafia alignment that don't know the other and vice-versa?

Since we know that this is a DDL villie world, can you revisit these teams?

No... actully Marcher was thinking about the associative game as early as immediate sub-in, when they linked themselves to DJ Star by ignoring the wagon.

Marcher is more of the kind of player that distances early on before pressure then. in that case Cayvie, and Fatmo, look a bit worse. i think lol..

Cayvie, what does Marcher's bussing game like to your knowledge?

was D2 start when Marcher most likely realized that they were getting chopped in the future? or was it even earlier then that? I could see it being as earlier as coming out badly from the nutella thunderdome.

re reading Marcher ISO it looks like they consistently pushed Cass upon sub in until death. They also pushed Fatmo/Cayvie a bit before the Vs Nutella happened.

Then later on D3 they offer to gladiate Dov, or Carot. Tho Carot was somebody else's request. I like the idea of scum gladiator thinking that they can town cred by gladiating a buddy. that seems like a play they'd make.

Hmmm, yeah, he did vote marcher D2, and D3.

For some reason i thought he also had a vote on Marcher D1 before Nutella Vs Marcher happened. but looks like thats a no

cayvie wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:09 am
ah yeah if you think scum!fatmo would be afraid to thunderdome you, then that means that the plan would have been to thunderdome cass, since he knew you two were the two water tribe people left.

would scum!fatmo go in on a plan of thunderdoming cass?

oh, i think this means that fatmo/cass isn't the team. hell yes, we're getting somewhere.

Yeah i could see Scum!Fatmo going after Town!Cass in a 3-way, or maybe even 5-way.

Yeah i guess it isn't out of the question.

how do you feel about fatmo's maintaining the wagon on Marcher when they could've lurked out, or shopped elsewhere? I think that it was at a point where the wagon wasnt set yet. I may have to double check

I guess i could see scum tracker making those picks if Fatmo was w/ scum players wary of experienced, but aloof, town LC and Wigly.

Would matcher be wary of those guys?

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:36 pm

Fatmo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:31 am Oh, we're mass claiming.

I'm June from the Fire Nation. I'm a tracker.

I tracked Long Con N1. He didn't go anywhere.

Tracked Wiggly N2. He didn't go anywhere.

I tracked Cass N3, and I got no result. I'm pretty sure this means they are Water Nation so my track doesn't work there because I'm fire.

First two nights I was going for two people me and the thread in general didn't seem to know what to make of. Cass was because a lot of people had suspected them earlier but that seemed to be kind of dying down from what I gathered. And maybe scum would have sent him to kill if they thought he was starting to be more village read.

So we know Long Con didn't do the kill N1, Wiggly didn't do it N2 (unless I was roleblocked those nights), and that Cass is likely Water Nation.

do these seem like reasonable track targets? was wilgy a suspect n2? like i mean i guess those first 2 targets were the 2 targets of our confirmed cop so i guess investigators think alike. does cass make sense as a n3 target?

@fatmo what was your result last night? why did you target cass n3?

idk what optimal phscologicy for town tracker is as some go after most scummy players, others go after players they think would preform the kill as mafia instead of explicitly scum reading them.

easiest way is to ask for Fatmo's justification.

which they've yet to check in today it seems. :/

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pre-edit

I outted being water tribe at day 4 start when i mentioned getting burned.

actully they claimed before Carot

I would be surprized if Mafia!Fatmo has the nerve to SR me lol. B/c that push would be super transparent.

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Fatmo cliamed after you, DDL, DoV, Carotte.

But before Cassowary.

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:29 pm

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:36 pm I guess you said dov/carotte earlier but like, now you're saying one of me or fatmo is mad? how does that square

i... would appreciate some other eyes on this exchange. i'm starting to feel like you're not engaging in good faith here, cass.

like, i hadn't put it together that you or fatmo is probably maf when i thought dov/carot was the most likely team. so no, right now, i don't think dov/carot is the team, because that team does not leave fatmo alive.

unless they really thought long con had to go? he was gunning for dov pretty hard. idk. i don't think it's them.

i think fatmo/dov makes sense. they would kill long con for being onto the whole "mj busing a partner" business.

who did fatmo say he tracked again

Cayvie... if fatmo was mafia, and was not in any hot water... then why would they cliam anything other then VT?

b/c claiming Tracker means that going into a lylo situation as unkilled claimed PR is going to look super bad

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:18 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 2:13 am @cassowary were you able to reread the game?

If not then just tell me your current thoughts

I really think Carotte's interactions w/ confirmed maf look not great tbh. Like what Carotte says about U-G in these few posts strikes me as very possible w/w. And Carotte voted MJ d2, but didn't have much to say on it tbh, looks kinda like bussing for town cred when it was obvious Jovian was going down (i mean Jovian already had 3 votes at this point and already had attracted substantial suspicion).

Looking back I can see cayvie's posts coming from maf as well (though i'm feeling stronger about Carot atm) and I feel bad for weirding myself away from voting cayvie yesterday. But I'm not sure I really have anything concrete on Cayvie other than PoE? But if it's PoE it could be Fatmo or Dov as well... hm. I'm a little confused atm :/

[VOTE: carotenoid] aubergine

yeah that post about UG's "whoops i did that too" Carot made rubbed me the wrong way when i was rereading.

cassowary wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:32 pm chard: last day you said you were thinking it was either DDLxCayvie or CarottexDov:

chardonnay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:17 am Its shaping up to look like the team is ethier DDL, and Cayvie. Or, Carotte, and DoV.

CarotxDov is a bit left field, but more possible then other DoV teams. Only weird thing is DoV openly saying that he was sheeping Carotte N1. Almost seems like too uncomfortable a thing for mafia to confess doing to another mafia. Espeasly when DoV was already p nervous about how he was perceived.

(unless I'm misreading what you meant here I guess)

so now that we know DDL is town, if you're still wanting to go with Cayvie, who are you proposing as Cayvie's partner?

Not really trying to defend Cayvie here, I just want to feel better about it if we're choosing to vote her over Carotte or Dov today and I want someone to sell me on the case more

Thats the thing is that im not sure she makes sense with Carrote, or DoV, and im pretty sure you, and fatmo are town.

Independently I didn't have much on Cayie either way beyond disliking her D4 play. A lot of is was assuredness that she was DDL's prefect partner when comparing the two. In fact part of the reason i switched off Cayvie and onto DDL is that i had more concrete reasons there, and if he flipped scum then I would knew Cayvie was scum was well.

[mention]cassowary[/mention] were you able to reread the game?

If not then just tell me your current thoughts

cayvie wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:13 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 13, 2020 12:06 am How are both cass and cayvie atill alive lmao

do you think cass is mafia? i'm still on dov/carotte as most likely pairing

WHich would you vote first?