The Syndicate

Wagon preferences:
Ender or Santy
Michelle or HK
Any non-Scotty

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:21 pm [VOTE: Scotty ] aubergine

@Porscha are you voting today?

I-
you just criticized us for-
what?

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:18 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:17 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:13 pm [VOTE: Santygrass] aubergine

Not Voting (7): MacDougall (33), Inawordyes (19), JaggedJimmyJay (35), risiinq- (44), sabie12 (2), Fext (5), Porscha (73)
chelsea (2): Golden (47), ~Prince J~ (18)
enderwiggin (2): nutella (167), Neon (88)
marmot (2): Marmot (84), sprityo (24)
michelle (4): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (21), hollowkatt (81), Chelsea (18), TonyStarkPrime (31)
scotty (3): Lilypetal (39), EnderWiggin (159), tutuu (62)
hollowkatt (5): iaafr (229), Jackofhearts2005 (108), Hally (173), Dyslexicon (100), Vivax (40)
drwilgy (1): SilverKeith (66)
lily (1): falcon45ca (17)
guillotina (1): katze (131)
nutella (1): Michelle (116)
master radishes (1): Sloonei (33)
c4e5g3d5 (1): c4e5g3d5 (85)
jackofhearts2005 (1): Schiavetto (20)
sloonei (3): santygrass (74), Scotty (52), Ricochet (10)
santygrass (6): RondoDimBuckle (141), DeeZees (39), pyxxy (14), Guillotine (192), Ranmilia (118), Creature (118)
manny (1): Manny (200)
golden (1): lucy (19)
guillotine (1): Seanzie (10)
test (1): Lumi (78)
unvote (2): WindwardAway (105), arogame123 (61)
arogame (1): Sabiplz (243)
golden the coward (1): G-Man (23)
dr. wilgy (1): ilario (43)
hk (1): DrWilgy (26)

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:12 pm Santy huh.
*reviews*
I can see it.
[VOTE: santygrass] aubergine

Not Voting (7): MacDougall (33), Inawordyes (19), JaggedJimmyJay (35), risiinq- (44), sabie12 (2), Fext (5), Porscha (73)
chelsea (2): Golden (47), ~Prince J~ (18)
enderwiggin (2): nutella (167), Neon (88)
marmot (2): Marmot (84), sprityo (24)
michelle (4): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (21), hollowkatt (81), Chelsea (18), TonyStarkPrime (31)
scotty (4): Lilypetal (39), EnderWiggin (159), Creature (115), tutuu (62)
hollowkatt (5): iaafr (229), Jackofhearts2005 (108), Hally (173), Dyslexicon (100), Vivax (40)
drwilgy (1): SilverKeith (66)
lily (1): falcon45ca (17)
guillotina (1): katze (131)
nutella (1): Michelle (116)
master radishes (1): Sloonei (33)
c4e5g3d5 (1): c4e5g3d5 (85)
jackofhearts2005 (1): Schiavetto (20)
sloonei (3): santygrass (74), Scotty (52), Ricochet (10)
santygrass (5): RondoDimBuckle (141), DeeZees (39), pyxxy (14), Guillotine (192), Ranmilia
manny (1): Manny (200)
golden (1): lucy (19)
guillotine (1): Seanzie (10)
test (1): Lumi (78)
unvote (2): WindwardAway (105), arogame123 (61)
arogame (1): Sabiplz (243)
golden the coward (1): G-Man (23)
dr. wilgy (1): ilario (43)
hk (1): DrWilgy (26)
Why are both of you jumping on my wagon with less than an hour to go and not when I made my case at the start of the day?
I didn't see it sooner/wasn't there to vote.

Pretty much. The santy iso looked fine at a glance and today's failure to develop on his proposed methods is more incriminating with time.
Also his partner from the hydra game that just ended on MU showed up just now and called him a wolf. That is some meta that holds some actual weight with me.

Santy huh.
*reviews*
I can see it.
[VOTE: santygrass] aubergine

Not Voting (7): MacDougall (33), Inawordyes (19), JaggedJimmyJay (35), risiinq- (44), sabie12 (2), Fext (5), Porscha (73)
chelsea (2): Golden (47), ~Prince J~ (18)
enderwiggin (2): nutella (167), Neon (88)
marmot (2): Marmot (84), sprityo (24)
michelle (4): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (21), hollowkatt (81), Chelsea (18), TonyStarkPrime (31)
scotty (4): Lilypetal (39), EnderWiggin (159), Creature (115), tutuu (62)
hollowkatt (5): iaafr (229), Jackofhearts2005 (108), Hally (173), Dyslexicon (100), Vivax (40)
drwilgy (1): SilverKeith (66)
lily (1): falcon45ca (17)
guillotina (1): katze (131)
nutella (1): Michelle (116)
master radishes (1): Sloonei (33)
c4e5g3d5 (1): c4e5g3d5 (85)
jackofhearts2005 (1): Schiavetto (20)
sloonei (3): santygrass (74), Scotty (52), Ricochet (10)
santygrass (5): RondoDimBuckle (141), DeeZees (39), pyxxy (14), Guillotine (192), Ranmilia
manny (1): Manny (200)
golden (1): lucy (19)
guillotine (1): Seanzie (10)
test (1): Lumi (78)
unvote (2): WindwardAway (105), arogame123 (61)
arogame (1): Sabiplz (243)
golden the coward (1): G-Man (23)
dr. wilgy (1): ilario (43)
hk (1): DrWilgy (26)

They thought TSP was likely a real player and someone else, which we don't know yet but can probably see tomorrow, was a threatening NPC but turned out to be real.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:56 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:53 pm I didn't think Tony was an obvious NPC.
it’s not even just that i thought he was NPC

it’s also like

idk i don’t how a wolf team looked at tony’s D1 this game and thought “we need to kill this guy” regardless of who they are lol

Yeah it's. Weird.

He did vote Michelle. My mind does return to the notion of "mow down Michelle and everyone who townread her and tried to stop her wagon" and there should be a wolf there.

SPF is not playing.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:56 pm You guys are spec chat heroing but in real time haha

That's the Ranmilia experience!

No, Radishes ended up not being a player. But attracted a few votes nonetheless.

I consider all this stuff much more reliable than "meta" like "oh they fart around and do wolfy stuff as town"

We have pretty opposite playstyles I guess

Assuming they aren't lol w/w bussing, if Scotty was wolf, wolfteam doesn't know if Sloonei is really playing and going to wake up d3 or so, and if he does the first place he'd look is at people who rando pushed him. They don't want to invite that attention. We KNOW they don't want attention from syndicate regulars because they killed TSP, and we know they don't have good NPC reads.

Remember that this mafia team killed TSP n1 for basically the same minposting as Sloonei and JJJ, and that it is risky to invite scrutiny from "sleeping bear" players like that who mafia don't know if they're NPC or real (assuming they're not mafia together). Really doubt mafia got involved in the radishes/sloonei thing.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:07 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:59 pm Scotty why are you voting sloonei and not jjj?
I wasn’t even aware JJJ was in this game
This is more of a continuation vote from D1 I had before sheeping aaifr

Like cmon I don't think this is a wolf.

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:32 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 6:24 pm i read scotty’s iso and don’t really get how people read him as anything better than null

what’s villagery about him?
@Ranmilia @nutella @iaafr

His ISO? Everything he's posted today. Checks out. Consistent with his activity level, choice of targets at that time unlikely to be a mafia target, involved, solving. It's not the greatest ever but it certainly doesn't look wolf shaped to me. Kind of bewildered at how you scumread that but townread stuff like michelle and ender.

Keep your hands off Sloonei

Scotty elicits mild feelings of town to me so I do not really like this wagon being the one picked out of the sea.

Yeah the game is hard to sort. I served up another list earlier, whatchu think about: drwilgy, lilypetal, neon, porscha, vivax?

Out of Creature's list, I believe aro is 0 posting today, c4 we discussed, Chelsea is shrug to me without getting into the whole Michelle stuff again, I could vote DeeZees but don't feel strongly about them, Rondo, santy, scotty and sloonei are townish to me, I could go for Seanzie. None of that elicits much feeling of wolfiness though.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 5:38 pm Looks like we like to chop the Gen X players this game. If I was G-man I'd be afraid. His ass next.

Do not chop G-man.

Oh yeah Nutella is nonwolf for the nightkill, if anyone was doubting.

And NPCs can fire them.

Nono. ITAs where only real players can be hit.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:57 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 4:49 pm I voted c4 and asked for people to care and no one has cared. Dunno what to make of that.

No longer really believe in Michelle wolf to any strong degree.

Could go for HK or nanook yeah.
Btw I am trusting you here (although HK and NANOOK seem really easy to suspect regardless of their alignment).

Oh dang I thought you agreed independently and got excited

I forgot how much these gamestates make me itch, when there's five people I want to vote out and we can only do one... except in this game it's like twenty and we can only do one...
Every game needs hammers and dayvigs imo

That was a crosspost btw, it reads a lot more self serving right after the vote rip

Creature is fine and Vivax breaking out of posting only nonsense to attack Creature is extremely hmm

I voted c4 and asked for people to care and no one has cared. Dunno what to make of that.

No longer really believe in Michelle wolf to any strong degree.

Could go for HK or nanook yeah.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:19 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 2:50 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 7:59 pm Oh shit. There's a tie and I can kill Golden?

[VOTE: Golden] aubergine
Sounds like revenge. I don't think mafia would say it, but I would revisit this read later if i am alive
Yes

Yo what's this about? Context?

IT IS A PORTMANTEAU OF "RAN" AND "REMILIA" FROM RAN YAKUMO, PERFECT CHERRY BLOSSOM EXTRA STAGE BOSS, AND REMILIA SCARLET, EMBODIMENT OF SCARLET DEVIL STAGE 6 BOSS

KNOW THE LORE

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:04 pm Let's just vote off somebody we secretly hate since we're not gonna catch a wolf yeeting in a 40something player list looking for 3 or 4 wolves.

[VOTE: Ranmilla] aubergine

Spoiler: show
That was a joke.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:04 pm
[VOTE: Ranmilla] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 3:04 pm

Ranmilla

EVERY TIME
IT'S ALWAYS EITHER "RANMILLA" OR "RANMIIA"

Scotty why are you voting sloonei and not jjj?

I think Scotty's fine. Could go for seanzie. Tutuu anything particular you don't like there?

OK MU hydra game 3 ended, we can talk about Aro now (fake @ nutella) if you wanted to talk on that.
... I think he's just an NPC who gave up posting though, hasn't shown up again for d2?

[VOTE: c4e5g3d5] aubergine

Feeling spicy let's be the change we want to see in the world. c4 ain't posted nothin but "sub to my walrus" and nobody looking that way.

Not Voting (5): Inawordyes (18), JaggedJimmyJay (35), risiinq- (44), Fext (5), Porscha (64)
chelsea (1): ~Prince J~ (18)
enderwiggin (3): nutella (152), Dyslexicon (77), Vivax (32)
marmot (2): Marmot (84), sprityo (23)
michelle (4): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (20), Creature (81), hollowkatt (79), Chelsea (18)
iaafr (1): Lilypetal (31)
nanookthegreatandfearsome (1): iaafr (211)
drwilgy (1): SilverKeith (66)
lily (1): falcon45ca (17)
neon (1): EnderWiggin (139)
scotty (3): Michelle (91), Hally (133), tutuu (43)
master radishes (1): Sloonei (33)
c4e5g3d5 (2): c4e5g3d5 (85), Ranmilia
jackofhearts2005 (1): Schiavetto (20)
sloonei (3): santygrass (74), Scotty (46), Ricochet (10)
santygrass (4): RondoDimBuckle (131), DeeZees (31), pyxxy (14), Guillotine (192)
manny (1): Manny (194)
guillotine (4): Seanzie (10), Neon (83), katze (131), Jackofhearts2005 (95)
dr. wilgy (1): ilario (43)

Who do you think is the wolfiest player?

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:47 pm That said I'm ok with ender I guess. What other choices do we have?

Plenty. What are your thoughts on Prince J, DrWilgy, lilypetal, vivax, and c4?

Oh yeah TSP voted Michelle and got the NK

That's a thing. Hm.

The short case on Ender is that he made a lot of posts and tossed off a lot of "X is town" "Y is wolfy" reads but did not give reasons for any of them.

When I asked him to give some reasons for his reads he stopped realtiming me and came back later with "no." Has dripped in a couple since then but, not being able to give reasons for your reads on the spot is pretty hmm in my eyes.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:30 pm
Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:28 pm Half of you metareaders say that, the other half say she's wolf. Talk to the actual metareaders, for my part I'm now on "if this is truly her town meta that makes me want to kill her more"
Why?

I haven't seen any towns win by refusing to work together, and I don't care to encourage or reward that sort of posting by townreading it, giving it passes, or letting other people meta townread it. Please respect your fellow gamers.

Let's stop talking about this now as we're spirit wagoning Ender now anyway.

Half of you metareaders say that, the other half say she's wolf. Talk to the actual metareaders, for my part I'm now on "if this is truly her town meta that makes me want to kill her more"

Oh thank the syndigods 250 was the threshold. My true nefarious plot with all this posting was to not have to see "Stool pigeon" anymore because stool means poop and it bugged me.

How do you know I'm technically on Michelle but you don't know what I've actually said about that vote on the last couple of pages

Guillo is pretty obviously NPC, I don't mind saying this since mafia are never ever killing there now. He's a safe vote if we for some reason want to punt and guarantee we don't vote out a real town. I don't think that's a great way to go though.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 1:14 pm isn't it possible they just both targeted tsp

would be wild but

Mafia would not target the nightkill and deleter on the same player, the NK is guaranteed to work regardless of anything.

Rando mech catchup for the thread since I'm realizing people might not have realized -

There's no reason I can think of for the mafia deleter to have held their shot. Town deleter might hold but mafia certainly never does. So with the night deaths being only TSP, that means mafia deleter was used, and failed.

Which means mafia for sure know a real town, and it's someone they thought was somewhat threatening, enough to try and delete last night. (Plus also their scout result, which we can't tell anything about, but they might know a second real town as well.)

Which means they now have at least one NK lined up going forward, plus scout results, so infosec on who is and is not an NPC is not as important as it was on d1.

Though keep in mind, it's still not incredibly beneficial to town to go ham on it - mafia can "solve" NPCness naturally and hide easily that way, for those who hunt by looking for TMI and "natural solving".

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 12:28 pm#d2apoc

i'm too lazy to get the vc but i'm down tbh

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:08 am I am at work so I will not answer at that wall in detail Iaafr, and it's not like i read it throughly but you are right and i didn't read more than 1% from the game

Maybe I didn't see you wolfing but certainly i saw you bouncing ideas in games and I don't care about any other opinion than mine so for me was important to vote you to understand where your head really is. And your tone is ok

[VOTE: unvote Iaafr] aubergine

On phone and unable to make the VC now, sorry about that

I will tell you how this idiotic wagon on me will go:
- nanook will pretend i low posted so i am a wolf for lol meta because that's the only thing he's doing as either alignment
- hk will sheep nanook as either alignment
- rabbit is stubnorn enough to tunnel me to death
- guillo will support this trend no matter his alignment
- Ranmilia, we don't know each other i don't care about their vote
- chelsea, we know each other, i don't care about her vote
- idk who else is voting me, but the reaosns above can be valid for everyone

I will be here after work, ama but ping me because i will not read all the thread

What's up Michelle. My vote is still on you because of this post, because this sort of behavior is antitown enough that it makes me not care what role PM you received. A player who's saying things like "you're all idiots and i don't care about your votes and i will not read the thread and i don't care about anyone i don't personally know" -- is a player that I am absolutely willing to take behind the woodshed and Old Yeller, because they're a liability to town regardless of their role PM.

But hey the game continues. It's not too late to change things. If you want to stay alive and help town, what I need from you is to take some deep breaths, expel that attitude from your system and start working together. You're reaching out here which is a good start, I like that.

Who do you think might be an actual wolf? Any players you'd like to discuss?

katze wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 7:14 pm who the heck is tutuu

Well you're in luck, if you read just a few posts up on the last page I posted a big ol' readlist wall, and then you can mosey on over to https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 31#p989531 for ISO links! Pick someone who seems interesting and pgdown their iso! Michelle, Chelsea and Guillotina are contentious! Maybe some of the people who haven't posted a lot!

ISO links are at the top of page 32 on default ppp btw

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 1:19 pm
katze wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:36 am
Inawordyes wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 11:07 am
katze wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 10:59 am hello inyawordyes
How are you today?
im chilling

im sad boquise isnt here

hbu
I’m just sad in general tbh

I can be a generic brand knockoff Boquise if you want, we came from the same home community tbh

Please do
When I played with Boq in SCI he misread the day the game started, showed up halfway into the phase, and still managed to be the most active player pushing the game forward d1 and got himself n1'd for it.
So if you can channel some of that energy, even if it's store brand, that'd be fantastic. Who you wanna push?

katze wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 1:10 pm i just got traumatized and then pocketed

hmph

nya

that's the ranmilia experience

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