The Syndicate

Skeith my kirb talk to us about Santy

Yes but it's directly and obviously game related which the rest of the content has not been.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:23 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 6:21 pm oh posting that vc let me know nook posted more

ok fine hes probably v the nutella votepost looks dece

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Do you even comprehend the gravity of this choice?

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Ok breaking character for the first time to object to rabbit voting them is incredibly sus

I suppose that is fair, so:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:21 pm So what here is the argument for me?

I've seen a few votes.

We are determining, by the fact that the nightkills whiffed on real players, and the relative percentages of people playing actively/doing towny things/being meta townread, that probably most if not all of the wolves are contained somewhere in the pool of players who are posting no real content and claiming they "cannot get into the game until the NPCs leave."

So we are going to kill all of those players.

Probably/possibly starting with you, the esteemed DrWilgy, because your eod pop-ins and votes appear as though you are trying to walk a line where you aren't posting stone nothing, but still aren't really participating in the game.

I don't really have anything to ask you, I'm not sure why santy thinks I should, besides the eternal questions of who do you think is town and who do you think is mafia and why?
If you would like to get the wagon off of yourself, I would suggest digging into some people's ISOs and posting as much thoughtful content as you have the time and energy available to do, and we will judge you on that.

Towncore ain't all it's cracked up to be. Want to join me in the marmotcore?

Wait Chloe's playing this game too!!!!

This playerlist keeps getting better!

Consensus is that nutella's wolf-game and town-game are differentiable and on different levels.

My experience aligns with that. The only wolf game I've seen from nutella in the last 8 months, I was her teammate, and she was yeeted Day 2 for similar reasons.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 5:41 pm god what a good song

yes but are you gay?

This post is not Marmot entering the thread. This post is Marmot exiting reality.

Oh I didn't notice the Polka sig before. Ok Santy is town.

santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:55 pm And tutuu was having more impact at least from my perspective too with the way they were pushing things. Def more impact than Jack/Dizzy at least

Gosh this really does not help my paranoia that Manny was right and Santy's a wolf who just turned it up after getting sussed!

In time, you will know the tragic extent of my failings.

santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:41 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 8:57 pm Now I have confbiased myself in the read tht there was a scum on my wagon and that gave scum the info/thought that there were at least 2 players on the hollowkatt wagon and what led them to kill in that wagon ignoring the player scoit they got n1 thanks to the deleter

santygrass wrote: ↑Thu Dec 08, 2022 9:02 pm I think its valuable for scum to be in leading wagons either wagon to obtain more info in the possible numer of players either way regardless so yeh I think the kill on tutuu could be indicative of player hunting in hk wagon, which means hk wagon is likely clear and my wagon has more odds to hit a mafia.

That or scum didnt care, was on neither wagon amd hunted on thewagon which won at the end ig but that doesnt add up so nicely with wasting the scout result. Knowing that the hk wagon had at least 2/6 players fit more nicely in a world where scum decided to nk outsude a mech confirmed player

I still think this could have some merit fwiw

See I kinda think the opposite because their choice of kill was tutuu. If there were multiple scum on you and not on HK, then that would be confirmation to them that all or almost all of the HK wagon was real, so they'd just take the kill on a higher impact player there like me/Jack/Dizzy. Hitting tutuu is more like, "well there are definitely some town on this wagon but also some NPCs" which makes more sense to me with 1 on HK and 0-1 on santy.

Or the mafia have different player estimations than me and just thought "ran's NPC and tutuu has more posts and is scary" i guess

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:22 pm why do so many people care about sloonei

butterfly meme is this threadspew

The real question is "why do so many people care about sloonei, but only Jack cares about JJJ?"

d1 wagons for reference:

golden (8): EnderWiggin (100), Dyslexicon (54), Creature (78), RondoDimBuckle (119), DeeZees (19), lucy (19), Vivax (18), DrWilgy (17), G-Man (17)
chelsea (7): Golden (47), Scotty (37), Guillotine (150), ilario (38), Neon (69), tutuu (28), ~Prince J~ (18)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 4:06 pm NPC votes count as well, right?

They do NOT. NPC votes are fake, the eod kill is determined by secretly counting ONLY real player votes. Which is why we're talking wagonomics.

santygrass (6): Guillotine (48), Vivax (26), pyxxy (7), EnderWiggin (67), DeeZees (25), Creature (46)
hollowkatt (6): santygrass (59), Jackofhearts2005 (46), Ranmilia (96), Dyslexicon (46), tutuu (66), DrWilgy (16)
marmot (2): Marmot (14), sprityo (6)
deezees (1): iaafr (104)
enderwiggin (2): nutella (53), Neon (19)
scotty (1): Lilypetal (24)
guillotine (1): Seanzie (5)
manny (1): Manny (63)
michelle (3): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (8), hollowkatt (17), Chelsea (7)
drwilgy (2): SilverKeith (22)
sloonei (1): Ricochet (5)
nutella (1): Michelle (74)

unvote (2): Hally (75), RondoDimBuckle (48)

Not Voting (13): MacDougall (5), katze (37), c4e5g3d5 (5), Sloonei (9), JaggedJimmyJay (5), Lumi (36), G-Man (6), risiinq- (6), Porscha (26), Inawordyes (9), WindwardAway (4), Schiavetto (14), falcon45ca (5)

But y'know if I were to be an NPC this game, that would be really interesting
Because HK's wagon went over, so there are at least two real votes on it, and tutuu was NPC, so that would hypothetically be saying "at least two real among santy, jack, dizzy, wilgy"
(and chances are it's more than two real)
(and also there are fewer real on the santy wagon. or equal? I'm not sure @MacDougall ever clarified what happens on ties.)

So y'know what I'm sayin I think Wilgy is a pretty good vote for trying to hit real wolf and am less interested in Guillo Vivax DeeZees mmhm

Of course, if I live to tomorrow, then I made a horrible mistake in which box I checked on the form and the weight of this is lessened, but, still

I'm not fully clean unless I'm Zest-fully clean

This game sowing: "Wow this will be a great chill game, I can just funpost the first few days and do nothing until the NPCs die"
This game reaping: "What do you mean I'm perma POE because I did nothing before the NPCs died, this sucks"

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:28 pm there’s so many slots we should be mowing down before entertaining killing anyone that’s even moderately villagery because so many slots in this game have literally done nothing lol

True true

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:13 pm And fwiw I didn't read what your Michelle read was based on lol I just saw it mentioned

Why does me voting her make her town? Are you preflipping me mafia?

It doesn't? Our wires are crossed, I've also been anti-Michelle, because A. her posting wasn't great but also B. you and HK and c4 and who all else early on said "Michelle wolf" and left votes on her and I put weight on that. But y'all never explained much and now HK is dead and c4's peaced out so I was looking for people's further reads on her.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 3:04 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:31 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Talk about this, and Michelle?

I kinda don't really buy a lot of nutella's frustration from eod1 as genuine, I forgot about it but her recent outburst reminded me

And im willing to defer to your Michelle read for a bit at least, given mine is pretty lazy

Bruh.
A large part of my Michelle read is that you voted her. Presumably based on something.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:31 pm [VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Talk about this, and Michelle?

(I hate talking about myself like that because I think it sounds arrogant but I've learned current mafia culture seems to desire it so.)

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 2:00 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 1:47 pm Then again, I'm still alive, so that is another point in favor of Michelle herself.

Like the fact the kill of TSP has no link to me, you being alive is the same.
You should not clear me, or no one else, based on Wifom

Actually i am curious, what game experience you have?

I mostly follow and study MU Champs and "srs tryhard" games. Followed MU and Syndicate events closely starting from Champs season 7. Top or tied for top accuracy in the champs n1 guesses over all three seasons (to the best of my knowledge, among players who actively read the games and did them). I play rarely but put in pretty good performances when I do. You can reference Congress of Vienna for a wolfgame and the most recent Spec Chat Invitational for a town game.

I am familiar with you in particular having witnessed your evolution from a polarized player in champs s7 to a much more well rounded wolfgame in Swag City Invitational (that game's underestimating you until endgame is a big reason I'm not writing you off here!)

Then again, I'm still alive, so that is another point in favor of Michelle herself.

I think there is scum activity *around* Michelle for sure. It may not be Michelle herself, there are a lot of possibilities still, Ender could be running the fake claim etc etc. Probably not something we're dealing with today. But just saying.

Would really love to hear from Nanook and the other people who actively scumread Michelle in the earlygame though. The troublesome thing about that is that several of them have died or claimed NPC so the "townreads Michelle" faction has dominated threadspace lately. Not that I regret killing HK but really wish he'd posted more.

Reminder to not take my scumreads personally, you're all wonderful.

LGBT Mafia never forget though. Squeeze Hally until the kaomoji appears.

Reading what I missed while making that I see nutella posted the same list and is also tilted, sending ghosthugs

Do Not Wish To Yeet (no particular order, copying things around from alphabetical list)
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C4 - no content, claimed NPC and willingness to self-cull, I'll believe it for today
Chelsea - scumread Michelle, wagoned d1, little presence otherwise. Some wolf equity, more NPC equity, not someone I'm interested in today.
Creature - actively playing, can trace his thoughts decently, town in my eyes.
Ender - Taking the claim at face value for today.
Guillo - Pretty obviously NPC and I think the scattered thoughts he's given are protown, but if he's alive tomorrow then sure w/e always oblige a self voter.
Iaafr - Not a wolf.
Ilario - I've vibed with his thoughts. Like that he went straight on Wilgy today before I got in thread.
Jack - Actively playing, has some wolf equity but no desire to vote here today.
Katze - Semi actively playing. I've liked their thoughts. Don't see a reason to push.
Jjj - 0 content minposter, presumed NPC, probably doesn't make those kills. KILL HIM IMMEDIATELY IF HE'S ALIVE ON DAY 8 though.
Lumi - claimed NPC, made a vote script, good enough for now.
Manny - See Guillo but is less loud about the self vote.
Marmot - is cohost.
Nanook - Doesn't make those kills and lurk with 0 content, in my eyes. Revisit if he's alive lategame.
Nutella - Semi actively playing, don't see a reason to push.
Ranmilia - Anata no, terebi ni, Jika-netto Ranmilia! Mi-n-na no, yoku no tomo~!
Santy - Taking claim and townyness at face value for today, given Manny's retraction and his increased presence.
Scotty - Still townread this given events and eod positioning and knowledge of my own alignment, will take the L if wrong. Maybe I should say I scumread him to reverse psychology people into defending him.
Silverkeith - is sheeping me, which is the right and good move for town to win
Sloonei - see JJJ but with more protown equity. Still kill if alive on day 8.

:fryeyes: Zone
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DeZees - hasn't done much. I don't have much of a read here, looking at others to weigh in.
Dyslexicon - Some concern, didn't seem very horny. Don't think I want to go here today though.
G-Man - Near 0 content, but created an ISO list which earns him survival for now.
Hally - Pretty obviously NPC but if they're not... well, our playstyles don't mesh well and I haven't liked their takes. Not a push for today though.
Vivax - Evasively low content, wouldn't hate pushing here. Does seem to be playing the game though.

Would Vote Zone
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Falcon - 0 content minposter. Shrugze.
Inawy - Showed up yesterday and then didn't take up my offer to participate at all, no objections to pushing here.
Lilypetal - 0 content, claimed wolf, on the shortlist for slots I want to kill.
Porscha - Very little content. In the recent MU Hydra Game 3 I was able to easily find the lilypetal/porscha hydra as town by mid day 1 from spec chat, even though the thread consensus wolfread them. In this game I do not find much townyness in either of them. Hence they make my to-kill list.
DrWilg - Fits the top profile of what I'm looking for as a wolf
Michelle - Several people I trust as decent players, including two dead (though fairly quiet NPCs) have called her wolf. She started playing more yesterday but I'm not particularly sold. I don't enjoy people getting mad though so I don't plan to actively push there today.
Neon - No real content. Vibes more NPC to me but no objections to voting here.
Pyxyy - 0 content minposter. No objections to yeeting.
Ricochet - 0 content minposter. No objections to yeeting. The "voted Sloonei" shield has expired with the revelation that mafia can't find real players.
Seanzie - 0 content minposter, tutuu died actively scumreading, #respectthedead
Schiavetto - 0 content, wolfy poppins, eminently yeetable
Sprityo - 0 content minposter, the "voted Radishes" shield is mostly expired

I tried that but it didn't persist and only quoted one. Mwaf. Anyway just- like I said look through his ISO, it's wolfy. It's not a long read, if you don't see it then I don't know that me pulling more things out is going to help.

How do I easily quote multiple posts on this website.

santygrass wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 12:12 pm @ilario @Ranmilia can you tell me why the votes on DrWilg ?

Check out his ISO and posting times. Wilgy is 2 for 2 now on showing up at EOD with a wolfy snipe vote, keeping his head down otherwise. I suspected him early on d2 as that was the exact pattern I expected from some mafia on d1, then no one talked about him and we all got sidetracked, then he did it again EOD2.

He's given no particular analysis or content, just a couple of toss-in reads with no justification, and his posts read wolfy to me. The "ooh, why is Santy showing up to save HK?" and "Real weird thread momentum this EoD." are very typical wolf posts in my eyes.

There's significant real player equity there given the d2 wagons and the fact that mafia killed Tutuu, and I don't think it's town equity.

Oh nooooo
Hope it's mild and you get well soon <3

Guillo is blatantly NPC and also has put himself in an unwinnable position if wolf. We can revisit that if he's still alive after purge(s), but going after him today of all days seems very unproductive. It's also a zero accountability vote that wolves can park on and not need to justify themselves. Why would you want guillo voted?

Nanook correctly 1post read me as scum in Congress of Vienna for correct reasons, man has good reads.

(to elaborate for the crowd, Nanook is a very engaged Syndicate regular who would likely have either better NPC reads or pocketing abilities on TSP and tutuu specifically, and his current votes and playstyle put him on track for "trapped in a cage with an angry Michelle/Michelle defenders after the purge" if he were to be a wolf which is highly suicidal.)

Nanook doesn't make these kills and play like this as a wolf though

Ye my theories about mafia are disproven, team is probably lowposters who aren't very engaged so it is a bit of pick your fish from the barrel.

Hades 2.

Seanzie my #2 choice as of right now. Other candidates include lilypetal, porcha, neon, ricochet, maybe schiavetto but realistically not over those others.
Don't think Nanook or Guillo are good votes.
Still townread Scotty but the suspicion there is already "see if Ranmilia is wrong" so shrugze.
No longer wish to eliminate Santy or Ender barring further developments.

Gmorning. That went... about as well as reasonably possible.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

This is the vote for today.

Not Voting (10): MacDougall (4), katze (18), Lumi (12), Sloonei (4), DrWilgy (1), Hally (6), Jackofhearts2005 (4), Porscha (7), c4e5g3d5 (3), G-Man (2), ilario (3)
nanookthegreatandfearsome (4): iaafr (23), Manny (6), Scotty (69), michelle
scotty (1): nutella (9)
guillotine (2): santygrass (42), Vivax (18)
santygrass (1): EnderWiggin (21)
michelle (1): NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (5)
neon (1): Seanzie (5)
porscha (1): RondoDimBuckle (23)
dr wilgy (2) : ilario, ranmilia

[VOTE: Hollowkatt] aubergine

Burn the Scotty wagon to the ground tomorrow. That + my iso = legacy.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

Fine. HK also fine.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:46 pm Wait Santy is town, right?

It's 15 min before EoD, he is about to die. He pops in and asks me about an old post of mine. He's reading thread chronologically. He has no teammates to tell him in real time that he's about to die and ought to be towny in his last minutes.

Naw. Wolves tryin to get Scotty to go over.

DeeZees wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:40 pm Manny i trust you!!

Why do you think santy is town?

His reads feel manufactured around solid points that he makes out to be more important than they are

Manny is strongly scumreading santy, that's what's goin on rn

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:38 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:35 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:32 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:27 pm

Manny wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:25 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:23 pm Am I taking crazy pills?

why would you think my metaread is fake, i wouldnt fake a meta read even as scum lol specially with SK in this game.

their meta is fakeable, any meta is fakeable. Your read could also be fake. Wolves can point at someone they have played with as well and say they are playing wolfy (hell even if they arent)

it's crazy how people just forget that like

personal experience can still be substiantiable

I have a random gut scumread on Schiavetto from this chime in

do you want to do the villagery thing and ask what prompted it :3

Hi Schia! I'm kinda scumreading you, you slipped through the cracks for me today because I couldn't remember if you had posted or were headed for the minpost axe. I don't really see much substance in your ISO. What are your major reads rn and why, just a quick summary of where your head's at?

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:35 pm

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:32 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:27 pm

Manny wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:25 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 07, 2022 7:23 pm Am I taking crazy pills?

why would you think my metaread is fake, i wouldnt fake a meta read even as scum lol specially with SK in this game.

their meta is fakeable, any meta is fakeable. Your read could also be fake. Wolves can point at someone they have played with as well and say they are playing wolfy (hell even if they arent)

it's crazy how people just forget that like

personal experience can still be substiantiable

I have a random gut scumread on Schiavetto from this chime in

Same