The Syndicate

bronana wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:46 pm
re: arete dude in the world I'm a wolf and you and vulgard are two villagers with this dynamic, you're not viable moslunches anytime soon and I simply wouldn't bother

I'm not even necessarily thinking about the posts where you were like 'but what if they're wolves defending each other though,' more, I feel like your overall approach to our thing has been 'I hate this obnoxious godread you two have on each other' rather than 'sweet, free clears'

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:23 pm
bronana wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:55 pm c4's play this phase is just weird imo, he'll occasionally pop in to state these super confident reads like "X is town, Y is a wolf, you're all bad and dumb" then peaces out again

it's like he is expressing a ton of confidence but is not making much of an impact pushing those confident reads?

i also dont get his alison read even if she is villa
@staypositivefriend is outed if she says any of this is AI for me.

@Alison get in here, you're in the lead again.

anyways besides the fact that c4 has spent all day hardshielding Alison I think this post is indicative of him genuinely believing that she was a PR, like, if you read the post as 'get in here Alison, you need to claim' it fits ~perfectly

(also just for the record it would be great if people would stop spewing themselves non-PR

bearing in mind that the wolves can automatically take three people out of the PR pool, you're making it really easy for them to PoE the actual PRs, whoever they are)

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:32 pm If Alison's in the lead by that much anyway I guess I don't really need to hide this anymore. I think she's acting like this because she's the JK.

I think this is almost certainly true (in the sense of being something you believe) regardless of your alignment, so ... not W/W?

(I have reason to suspect she's not actually the JK but that's besides the point)

ALSO I just had a totally unrelated thought, which is that the wolves are probably moderately annoyed by the me/Vulgard dynamic (I've seen a lot of players express the sentiment that I'm being underwhelming but they trust Vulgard, and even though my posts are plenty whelming I feel like wolves would be annoyed that they're getting denied 1-2 mischops on otherwise less "impressive" players just because we know each other well).

inconveniently I'm less sure who specifically falls into the annoyed-by-our-dynamic archetype. maybe Bronana?

Chloe wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:20 pm i think wagons could be v/v but dya is a bigger asset to town than a 0-posting alison

im legit annoyed at this point that she isnt posting - regardless of her alignment. its just super frustrating
i want to be right but im probably not if shes not going to bother to do anything to defend herself in the slightest

this post sketches me out a little specifically in worlds where Alison is a villager because of the extent to which it's appealing to things other than Dya and Alison's alignments ('dya is a bigger asset to town,' Alison's play is 'frustrating') to justify her vote

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:50 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:46 pm
Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:34 pm
sunbae wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:31 pm I've read through Marl's ISO and - entirely ignoring the derp - I think he's prooooobably a villager? Looking at it all together I feel like it dances around quite a bit, has a good mix of focused thoughts and random ideas thrown out there, a few examples of that villagery panic that sets in when you're kinda stuck in a game while not overly doing it and just continuing to post thoughts anyways, a couple posts specifically that just *sound town* (bully lunch money!, seth/vulgard w/w, cycles, and thats ignoring the reaction to the derp cause ive been in that spot as a wolf and not wanted to get cleared for silly things but still the reaction did sound good). I also think the way Marl was kinda shocked at Arete calling it seths town meta was done in a way that a wolf wouldn't do. This is followed up by some day 2 concerns about Arete pocketing Vulgard that seemed villagery too.

Essentially, Marl is kinda bouncing around a lot, not too stilted or anything while still expressing concern/confusion well. I just think it's a very likely villager for good reasons and not for derp reasons.

I'd also really, really like marl to take some time and talk to me about Arete because I feel like that's my least confident villa read right now and it's for probably terrible reasons
i still haven't found arete towny at all and it felt like they were posturing around seth d1 knowing he was a villager even though (imo) all of the meta pointed to him being a wolf

the sole reason i'm not pressing them harder is because vulgard is confident they are town and i think vulgard is town and usually the two are good at catching each other if one of them is wolfing

it's possible that both are wolfing but i sincerely doubt it

it's not really even a read
what you described from his town meta didn't even really fit at all
it's like you knew he was town and tried to just generalize what it was like to see him as town
none of his posts were painful to read unless you had tmi when reading them

reread his posts from around when I started calling him town and mentally replace all mentions of me with "Marl"

Marluxion wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:34 pm
sunbae wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 2:31 pm I've read through Marl's ISO and - entirely ignoring the derp - I think he's prooooobably a villager? Looking at it all together I feel like it dances around quite a bit, has a good mix of focused thoughts and random ideas thrown out there, a few examples of that villagery panic that sets in when you're kinda stuck in a game while not overly doing it and just continuing to post thoughts anyways, a couple posts specifically that just *sound town* (bully lunch money!, seth/vulgard w/w, cycles, and thats ignoring the reaction to the derp cause ive been in that spot as a wolf and not wanted to get cleared for silly things but still the reaction did sound good). I also think the way Marl was kinda shocked at Arete calling it seths town meta was done in a way that a wolf wouldn't do. This is followed up by some day 2 concerns about Arete pocketing Vulgard that seemed villagery too.

Essentially, Marl is kinda bouncing around a lot, not too stilted or anything while still expressing concern/confusion well. I just think it's a very likely villager for good reasons and not for derp reasons.

I'd also really, really like marl to take some time and talk to me about Arete because I feel like that's my least confident villa read right now and it's for probably terrible reasons
i still haven't found arete towny at all and it felt like they were posturing around seth d1 knowing he was a villager even though (imo) all of the meta pointed to him being a wolf

the sole reason i'm not pressing them harder is because vulgard is confident they are town and i think vulgard is town and usually the two are good at catching each other if one of them is wolfing

it's possible that both are wolfing but i sincerely doubt it

...this is pretty tinfoily but Alison basically rolling over makes sense from a wolf in the specific world where she's a Goon and one of the other wagons in contention (which I guess is just Dya at this point) is a PR

not something I'd base a vote off of but could explain her behavior?

thinking about it 'why would Alison just give up as x alignment' is sort of a meh argument in both directions people are making it unless she has alignment-polarized motivation, like regardless of her alignment giving up and not trying isn't pursuing her win condition

I don't know how to quote on mobile but I think Dizzy's thing about how he had been hard defending Seth because he wanted him to spew his partners is mildly villagery for him to come up with given that as Mafia he would have had TMI that Seth was in fact a villager and didn't actually have partners

ftr the mechanically optimal play for the jailkeeper is to flip a coin and protect Amy if it comes up heads

since Hally died, the jailkeeper getting a single save gives us an extra miselim relative to them not getting a save, which means they can't risk attacking Amy if the jailkeeper does this but also can't just wait until tomorrow night

and it also means that if hypothetically speaking Amy is Mafia and the hypothetical tracker, whoever they are, chooses not to counterclaim her, Mafia can't just count on having her carry the kill

Vulgard wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 3:18 am
I've been thinking about Zack lately (no sexual).

I ... assume this is a typo ... but I have no idea what it's a typo for

Amy claiming to be the tracker doesn't influence my Dya read at all because my Dya read wasn't based on preflipping Amy

claim acknowledged

I'm pretty sure Dya hasn't been in the thread since I asked them my last question but if I vote them maybe they'll be more likely to show up and answer it?

[VOTE: Dyachei] aubergine

ftr I'm not hard townreading Chloe

I feel like a lot of people are reading the strength of my read there as higher than it is and I don't want people to be like 'oh well FoLer Arete is townreading her so she must be town' when I'm not very confident

this is very tinfoily and I hesitate to even mention it because I think the clear is probably just real but technically Marl could be a wolf if he legitimately forgot how many wolves are in the setup

to be clear I think that's really unlikely

@dyachei can you give examples of (non-incompetent) wolves having bad progression in the specific way that you're accusing c4 of having bad progression (literally 180ing on previous strong reads with no explanation)? I'm trying to figure out if we have a legitimate difference in opinion on how wolves tend to play vs. whether you're just making things up

I don't even not have takes on non-FoL people

like yes my reads on FoLers are stronger and more developed

but I've been giving reads on everyone else as well!!!

it frustrates me that people are acting like I'm not trying just because I'm focusing on reading different people than they are

Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:39 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:29 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:18 pm like arete this is why it took me so long to find you as town this game

cause it feels like you and the other FoL folks have got a nice little reads circle going, and that's fine and good, but i think at this point most people feel pretty decent about you guys and are ready to talk about other people

like, say, the two enormous wagons that you barely have any sort of read on, or any of the other frequently mentioned wagons (dya, zack), or any of the people that people are having trouble nailing down (dizzy, for instance)

it feels like you're primarily talking to and about FoL people and it makes it really hard to know where you stand on the rest of the game
so like

a big part of the reason for that is that I feel like a big part of your reads on each other is based on meta for games I barely looked at, or meta where you've been playing each other for years and know each other's playstyles, and I don't have that, I haven't played more than a handful of games with any of you, I can't engage with 'your approach to the game is subtly different from Congress of Vienna' when the only thing I know about Congress of Vienna is 'Chloe was 3p' and the FoLer copypasta, and the fact that that's such a heavy emphasis this game makes it harder to read the people talking about it (e.g. I can't get a good sense of whether 'x is playing like CoV'/'x is playing in their town meta'/etc. is in good faith or bad faith when I don't know their meta in the first place)

and when I do have reads half the time someone is like 'no but your read is wrong because of their meta'

and even when that's not a factor I'm like 'wow, these sure are reasonable posts, if I didn't know that 90 percent of this playerlist is a strong player as both alignments I would probably find this villagery but it's not out of the range of what a competent wolf could fake'

which, like, it's fine that that's a factor in this game, I'm not going to be like 'meta is bad and evil and you shouldn't ever use it,' but it's making it harder for me, personally, to make reads on non-FoL people and that's not something I can just fix by trying harder
friendo i wasn't IN congress of vienna, i'm as lost on the CoV reads as you are

and in fact i've been trying very very hard this game to fall back on meta reads as little as possible

gavial was an unabashed meta read and my current read on dya is definitely dipping into meta

but i think most of my other reads are pretty focused on what people have posted in the game itself

the fact that you're lumping me in with the CoV-party makes me feel like you're really just. not actually reading my posts? and i don't know if that's true or not, but if it is it needs to be corrected

I'm reading your posts! I found your post joking about CoV being required reading for the class mildly amusing and relatable! but it's not just the CoV takes, it's also the fact that ... most of you have years of experience with each other ... and are drawing from that experience in your reads

Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:18 pm like arete this is why it took me so long to find you as town this game

cause it feels like you and the other FoL folks have got a nice little reads circle going, and that's fine and good, but i think at this point most people feel pretty decent about you guys and are ready to talk about other people

like, say, the two enormous wagons that you barely have any sort of read on, or any of the other frequently mentioned wagons (dya, zack), or any of the people that people are having trouble nailing down (dizzy, for instance)

it feels like you're primarily talking to and about FoL people and it makes it really hard to know where you stand on the rest of the game

so like

a big part of the reason for that is that I feel like a big part of your reads on each other is based on meta for games I barely looked at, or meta where you've been playing each other for years and know each other's playstyles, and I don't have that, I haven't played more than a handful of games with any of you, I can't engage with 'your approach to the game is subtly different from Congress of Vienna' when the only thing I know about Congress of Vienna is 'Chloe was 3p' and the FoLer copypasta, and the fact that that's such a heavy emphasis this game makes it harder to read the people talking about it (e.g. I can't get a good sense of whether 'x is playing like CoV'/'x is playing in their town meta'/etc. is in good faith or bad faith when I don't know their meta in the first place)

and when I do have reads half the time someone is like 'no but your read is wrong because of their meta'

and even when that's not a factor I'm like 'wow, these sure are reasonable posts, if I didn't know that 90 percent of this playerlist is a strong player as both alignments I would probably find this villagery but it's not out of the range of what a competent wolf could fake'

which, like, it's fine that that's a factor in this game, I'm not going to be like 'meta is bad and evil and you shouldn't ever use it,' but it's making it harder for me, personally, to make reads on non-FoL people and that's not something I can just fix by trying harder

Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:09 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 10:06 pm i really relate to the feeling that everyone is kinda just solving by themselves in their own individual corner of the game, and i'd really like to play a role in creating a more cohesive/cooperative environment if i'm still here tomorrow. i think the gamestate is actually perfectly fine for the position we're in, but better cohesion/communication would help a lot
i've been trying my best to get people to talk to me and the results have been very... whelming. dunno if that's a consequence of my thread position or more indicative of the gamestate at large (or if i'm just not asking the right questions)

i think there's a pool of players who have found each other as town that need to be doing more with that than they currently are

@ chloe @ arete.

people: 'if you and another player are mutually finding each other as town you should do something with that'

me: 'ok. here are 30 posts on why Vulgard is a villager.'

people: 'no not like that'

Arete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:31 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:26 pm vulgard and nutella aren't here, arete is (was?) here but doesn't feel like they're doing anything, nl vaporized or something, chloe is sheeping, alison is self-presing

frustrating wagon

arete what are your thoughts on like... anything, really?

just general gamestate overview, i guess
I've been having thoughts!!!! if you want specific new thoughts that aren't just the previous thoughts but rephrased slightly differently you're going to need to be specific

right now I'm looking through c4 and SPF's posts to try and verify Dya's progression case on him, it felt a bit agenda-y to me but I think some of that is that I was already villagereading c4. so far I've determined that Dya at the very least didn't leave out important posts in between the ones they quoted but I'm still overall not impressed by it, like I can't speak to c4's meta in particular but most wolves are not so incompetent as to literally just completely forget what their previous reads were.

update

having read through SPF's posts in that time period it's not totally ridiculous for someone to change their mind on her based on them but I don't know what c4 personally finds townie and scummy so I don't know if it's plausible for him to or not

such insight. very wow.

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:40 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:39 pmwas Dya in CoV?
yes and on d1 i was like the first person to point out c4 ws nothing like he was in CoV

im just having second thoughts looking at his progression

hm

in my experience wolves don't have that sort of abrupt 180-with-no-explanation-whatsoever unless they're really bad at playing scum, like, generally they'll try to at least justify the read change a little bit

do you disagree with that general-statement or are you arguing that c4 is a really unusually bad wolf?

was Dya in CoV?

Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:34 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:31 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:26 pm vulgard and nutella aren't here, arete is (was?) here but doesn't feel like they're doing anything, nl vaporized or something, chloe is sheeping, alison is self-presing

frustrating wagon

arete what are your thoughts on like... anything, really?

just general gamestate overview, i guess
I've been having thoughts!!!! if you want specific new thoughts that aren't just the previous thoughts but rephrased slightly differently you're going to need to be specific

right now I'm looking through c4 and SPF's posts to try and verify Dya's progression case on him, it felt a bit agenda-y to me but I think some of that is that I was already villagereading c4. so far I've determined that Dya at the very least didn't leave out important posts in between the ones they quoted but I'm still overall not impressed by it, like I can't speak to c4's meta in particular but most wolves are not so incompetent as to literally just completely forget what their previous reads were.
i don't actually know what your read is on either myself or alison, and i think we're at the point where you need to put effort into forming one

I've personally found Alison to be townie but people keep telling me that the things I'm finding townie are bad reasons to townread her/things she would do as Mafia which makes me doubt my read (this is how I feel about basically every non FoLer that I've tried to read but it's more prominent with Alison)

my belief-in-her-being-town is dropping off the more she doesn't post, 'not posting when you're being suspected' is more common from wolves

your posts are made of post, and that's about all I can come up with

Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 9:26 pm vulgard and nutella aren't here, arete is (was?) here but doesn't feel like they're doing anything, nl vaporized or something, chloe is sheeping, alison is self-presing

frustrating wagon

arete what are your thoughts on like... anything, really?

just general gamestate overview, i guess

I've been having thoughts!!!! if you want specific new thoughts that aren't just the previous thoughts but rephrased slightly differently you're going to need to be specific

right now I'm looking through c4 and SPF's posts to try and verify Dya's progression case on him, it felt a bit agenda-y to me but I think some of that is that I was already villagereading c4. so far I've determined that Dya at the very least didn't leave out important posts in between the ones they quoted but I'm still overall not impressed by it, like I can't speak to c4's meta in particular but most wolves are not so incompetent as to literally just completely forget what their previous reads were.

incidentally re:Chloe I've felt that her posts since subbing in have mostly seemed to track, like it doesn't feel like she has a specific predetermined destination that she's trying to get to but rather that they're flowing naturally

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:54 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:51 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:43 pm @Amy Should I bus you?
um

is scumchat on the Syndicate usually on Discord or on the forum itself?
Yeah, that was supposed to go in scum chat. Guess we're outed.

what was your motivation behind making this post? (the second one, not the first one)

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:51 pm (arete its a joke im pretty sure)

it wasn't funny! being funny is an important feature of jokes!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:43 pm @Amy Should I bus you?

um

is scumchat on the Syndicate usually on Discord or on the forum itself?

this is probably a dumb thought but is the fact that Alison uses apostrophes in some of her posts and not others alignment indicative in any way? (e.g. could it indicate something tonal in either direction)

bronana wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:23 pm
sunbae wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 8:20 pm How did the day turn from Alison/Dya to Alison/Amy?
I don't know, but I'd kill dya last of those three

so would you afaik, i'm not sure whta you're getting at sport

(i enjoyed your will smith meme btw)

(also arete normally i haaaate telling people how to play but can you please talk about something other than vulgard)

sure

I've been thinking about Marl and I'm pretty sure he has a ... sense of honor? ... that would prevent him from ever intentionally faking the derpclear he made earlier

it's not a trusttell, he's not intentionally cultivating it to get townread in future games, but it's fundamentally inconsistent with his personality to fake something like that

the wording things Dizzy just pointed out are NAI at worst

like I am not Vulgard and he can correct me if I'm wrong but the thing about Dya repping a scumread is just ... him not endorsing the position that Dya believes it, rather than him endorsing the position that Dya doesn't believe it

and the defensive attitude post is like 'Dya has a defensive attitude [which would normally be wolfy] but they've done it before as town, so it could be NAI,' it has an implicitly encoded assumption that a defensive attitude is wolfy rather than an implicit assumption that Dya is a wolf

[VOTE: Amy] aubergine

I feel like I should be voting someone and more of my villagereads are here

being surrounded by a bunch of people who are better than me like

zomg.

it's absurd how going to sleep means that in the morning there are more posts

all the posts should just coincidentally happen to be posted exactly when I'm active in the thread

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 6:56 am
...Wait. I said nothing. Arete thinks that Gavial's town equity is rising, but also questions Dizzy NOT wanting to kill Gavial. But then I remember them claiming Gavial might be town, closer to EoD. ...Huh? Confusing progression. Arete acknowledges Gavial might be town after first reading him as mafia, but then questions other people who don't want to kill Gavial, implying Arete thinks Gavial's mafia after all, but then I remember Arete's posts closer to EoD that Gavial might be a villager...?

I was working on my catchup post while also having the last page of the thread open, so I wrote the part about Dizzy before Gavial showed up and started being villagery, and then I didn't delete it because Dizzy's treatment of Gavial was baffling regardless of his actual aligment and I wanted to try to understand it

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 11:37 am There was a real KZA wagon at various points d1, including EoD. He doesn't survive n1 99% of the time because of the n1 vig existing and the various calls to vig him, but there was the 1% chance of the vig getting roleblocked which I'm trying to take into account.

if the vig gets roleblocked we probably end up coasting into a KZA elim D2

(although he was the rolecop, idk if night results work here the same way as on MU but it's possible that him dying N1 would have prevented him from getting a check off?)
[vimeo][/vimeo]

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:04 pm Chloe
Dyachei
Nutella
Vulgard

All 4 villagers
I can say this with confidence i think

Lex
SPF
c4?*

all i think are PROBABLY villagers and i dont vote here today

Bronana

I think is slightly spewed v by KZA but i respect this entire lobby enough not to full clear someone on spew because everyone in this game probably has some semblence of theater, would take a lot to get me to vote here today

Amy

Had some posts i liked yesterday but i've honestly never seen amy wolf and nothing coming from her seems super confidence inspiring, like barely above the tier below

Sunbae
Visor
Alison

Direct PoE, must have at least 1 wolf or i'm going to lose my mind probably

* c4 has the questionmark because i forgot he existed until the end but i remember his post about nobody acknowledging him and recall it feeling genuine

you left me out of your list

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 12:21 pm
Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 7:56 am Visor is a wolf.

I do not have an argument to back this up.

Discuss.
I actually did want people to discuss this because I personally have no idea how to read him as of right now and it's day 2.

I kind of thought that the bit where I asked him why he was trying to discredit you and he started going on about how you had been WRONG in all capital letters and weird formatting was villagery, I think a wolf usually wouldn't be so gratuitous about it

Amy wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:49 pm @Vulgard re: my vote on alison, i kinda don't see how that supports me being a wolf in a world where everyone is pairing me with dya? like... that's the single vote that looks worst in that world lol. wolf!amy has more threadstate awareness than that

I'm sort of mrrr about this argument

'I wouldn't do X as a wolf because X is wolfy and I wouldn't want to look wolfy' can sometimes be true but it's a cop-out, and the fact that you're using it as an argument shows that you have self-awareness about that fact which makes it less valid as a towntell.

also, I don't know what the VC looked like when you made this post/vote, but based on where it currently is wolf!you doesn't have very many options, like, you can selfpres onto Alison as the top wagon, or you can make a three-way rand with you/Alison/Dya, which if Dya and you are both wolves would be a 2/3 chance of a wolf dying

people who I've found vaguely villagery in some way at some point in time (sorted ish)

Vulgard
Marluxion
c4e5g3d5
Dyslexicon
Alison
Chloe
outed wolf

everyone else (not sorted)

Amy
bronana
dyachei
nutella
staypositivefriend
sunbae

might sponge everyone else's read on Nutella

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:33 am i dont know if unvote tags exist so i will be on marl until i find a more suitable wagon wowee

that derp was 9 times out of 10 just real, and his followup is lolmarl

there's an option to unvote in the bottom of the poll

I think if you just use vote tags to vote unvote it should be fine? the vote tags aren't tracking anything about the poll, they're just for reference since the poll doesn't show what order people voted in

my confidence in v!Marluxion is rapidly rising as I watch him beat himself up for not realizing there were three wolves left

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 3:08 am pretty sure the last two wolves are in dya/alison/amy

oh boy

Spoiler: show

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:35 am
Arete wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:33 am
Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:30 am
can you point to some places that concern you maybe
I was about to be like

'Chloe's emotion is normal Chloe and also she's villagery'

but then I saw this post and it's making me nervous

because you're doing the thing where someone scumreads you and you're like 'oh no, I'm so sorry for accidentally giving you the misapprehension that I am a member of the informed minority, please forgive me and allow me a second chance so that we may work together ' which is more typical of how you respond to pressure in your wolfgames
what
where did you get the idea that im sorry

im trying to make sure visor isnt pulling shit out of his booty lol

it felt like you were being like 'can you point out places of concern' (so that we can talk through it and I can convince you I'm a villager) (which isn't an intrinsically wolfy position for people-in-general but is more typical of your wolfgame, e.g. Insurgency)

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 2:30 am
can you point to some places that concern you maybe

I was about to be like

'Chloe's emotion is normal Chloe and also she's villagery'

but then I saw this post and it's making me nervous

because you're doing the thing where someone scumreads you and you're like 'oh no, I'm so sorry for accidentally giving you the misapprehension that I am a member of the informed minority, please forgive me and allow me a second chance so that we may work together

' which is more typical of how you respond to pressure in your wolfgames

Marluxion wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:19 am
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 6:07 pm bit busy today ao just a heads up
also i dont know how to post less than 150 times so this'll be a learning process. bear with me

@Vulgard u n me, boo
we're a 3-way masonry with nut
ily

also why the friiiiiiiiiiiiick are people townreading both arete and marl lollllllllllllll
wassup
i do kinda think arete was pocketing vulgard kinda like they did with me in upick
i called it out a couple of times yesterday

I'm not pocketing Vul

we just have a well-established history of reading each other correctly and I wanted to Voltron with him + expected he would be able to find me as a villager due to said well-established history of reading each other correctly

Chloe wrote: ↑Fri May 28, 2021 1:19 am arete did you just use the wrong 'than' or am i trippin

aaaaaaa

Spoiler: show

having read this and done zero personal factchecking the one I'm most

about is Sunbae, because they came into today trying to get a bunch of cred for KZA and if they really only mentioned them once that's kind of weird

...honestly I care more about that then the people who thought they could be a villager, apart from people with a hard no-bussing meta (which I don't know if anyone in this game has) I think there's a fair amount of WifoM with 'would Mafia actually defend KZA day 1'

(also unrelatedly I think you're misreading my post a bit, I wasn't trying to suggest it was a meme so much as a shrugyeet on someone for being uninspiring moreso than wolfy-except-by-PoE, that might be on me for communicating badly though)

Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:49 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:47 pm
Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:32 pm @Arete also you come talk to metoo ty
hi

am aret

what do you want to talk about
the man Mr Mar L. Uxion and your read there

also wanna know if you read my reply to you

spitball w/ me a bit

re:Marl he didn't feel ... deflated? in the way he normally feels as scum

although my confidence in that read is steadily dropping the longer he doesn't have someone to tunnel

re: your reply, I think P#957 and P#971 are clear enough that I would have expected them to influence your read even if they aren't 'arete is literally always guaranteed to be the town alignment no matter what'

Chloe wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 10:32 pm @Arete also you come talk to metoo ty

hi

am aret

what do you want to talk about

Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:52 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:50 pm
Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:47 pm
Spoiler: show
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:46 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:40 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:37 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:32 pm

LOL

hilarious post - i said i thought you were a villager yesterday, the post is making light of vulgard not you
alright, what was your motivation behind discrediting Vul's reads?
... because he was wrong? he spent like 80 posts yesterday saying how much of a gavial god reader he was and that we couldnt let gavial slip away and we had to kill gavial

with his EXTENSIVE history of catching gavial and hes NEVER BEEN WRONG BEFORE

and he was wrong.

W R O N G
R
O
N
G

INCORRECT

NOT RIGHT

so i gave him a bit of shit for it
this made me laugh

which ?might? be a good look for you, in my experience villagers are funnier than wolves
i-

arete is this a real read
yes!
i say this as someone who is townreading outed wolf but

outed wolf being funny is not alignment indicative

and in fact i would argue this is true of anyone who is at least halfway competent at wolfing

you don't need a town rolecard to crack jokes

both wolves and villagers can make jokes and use humor but jokes made by villagers tend to be funnier

Amy wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:47 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:46 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:40 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:37 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:32 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:29 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:31 pm

much like his extensive history of games with seth eh?
I'm sort of mrrr about how Outed Wolf is trying to discredit townreads on me/reasons to townread me without actually pushing for me to get killed (or even really expressing more than a slight scumread on me)

it kind of feels like he's trying to make sure that I'm a viable push for the future but doesn't want to get his hands dirty pushing me now
LOL

hilarious post - i said i thought you were a villager yesterday, the post is making light of vulgard not you
alright, what was your motivation behind discrediting Vul's reads?
... because he was wrong? he spent like 80 posts yesterday saying how much of a gavial god reader he was and that we couldnt let gavial slip away and we had to kill gavial

with his EXTENSIVE history of catching gavial and hes NEVER BEEN WRONG BEFORE

and he was wrong.

W R O N G
R
O
N
G

INCORRECT

NOT RIGHT

so i gave him a bit of shit for it
this made me laugh

which ?might? be a good look for you, in my experience villagers are funnier than wolves
i-

arete is this a real read

yes!

bronana wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:42 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:40 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:37 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:32 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 8:29 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:31 pm
Arete wrote: ↑Thu May 27, 2021 7:29 pm

his godread on me is real and supported by an extensive history of games as both V/V and V/W
much like his extensive history of games with seth eh?
I'm sort of mrrr about how Outed Wolf is trying to discredit townreads on me/reasons to townread me without actually pushing for me to get killed (or even really expressing more than a slight scumread on me)

it kind of feels like he's trying to make sure that I'm a viable push for the future but doesn't want to get his hands dirty pushing me now
LOL

hilarious post - i said i thought you were a villager yesterday, the post is making light of vulgard not you
alright, what was your motivation behind discrediting Vul's reads?
... because he was wrong? he spent like 80 posts yesterday saying how much of a gavial god reader he was and that we couldnt let gavial slip away and we had to kill gavial

with his EXTENSIVE history of catching gavial and hes NEVER BEEN WRONG BEFORE

and he was wrong.

W R O N G
R
O
N
G

INCORRECT

NOT RIGHT

so i gave him a bit of shit for it
lol

I'm curious why arete didn't give me any shit for also making light of that

wait

I just realized that "is his godread on you as good as his godread on gavial?

" and "much like his extensive history of games with seth eh?" were posted by different people

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