The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 11:02 pm Good night Thunal.

Good night Epi. I'm going to bed too.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 10:41 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 9:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:58 pm fingersplints asserting that Roxy is good (and that I am too) can mean two things:

1. fingersplints and Roxy are the mafia and the former wants to talk me off of the latter.
2. fingersplints is that damn comfortable calling Roxy a civilian over being mentioned twice.

And number one still has the "calling Roxy a civilian over being mentioned twice" bit, which is a bold strategy.

If number one is the case, that's damn funny coming from someone who is by many reports "scared of certain people in the thread."

If these two are bad, I think they kill me, not Rondo, since I'm going to tug at the Roxy bone all during Day 2.

So I'm not going to do that.

@Roxy Happy Sunday. Take Day 2 to do your thing. My vote is on you for now, but I'll look elsewhere.
I don't see a Splints/Roxy team since I don't think Splints expects to convince anyone that Roxy is town with her reasoning.
If splints doesn't expect to do that, then why does she bother?

I meant specifically the mention thing struck me as something she noted herself and said rather than something she said with the intent to convince others.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:58 pm fingersplints asserting that Roxy is good (and that I am too) can mean two things:

1. fingersplints and Roxy are the mafia and the former wants to talk me off of the latter.
2. fingersplints is that damn comfortable calling Roxy a civilian over being mentioned twice.

And number one still has the "calling Roxy a civilian over being mentioned twice" bit, which is a bold strategy.

If number one is the case, that's damn funny coming from someone who is by many reports "scared of certain people in the thread."

If these two are bad, I think they kill me, not Rondo, since I'm going to tug at the Roxy bone all during Day 2.

So I'm not going to do that.

@Roxy Happy Sunday. Take Day 2 to do your thing. My vote is on you for now, but I'll look elsewhere.

I don't see a Splints/Roxy team since I don't think Splints expects to convince anyone that Roxy is town with her reasoning.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:44 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm Howdy, what have I missed?9
A game we never win
Why? It's D2, don't be so glum chum

Hi Falcon. Can you give a few reads before you go?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:33 pm my unresearched POE, probably

splints - better impression of her defense of not being an intimidated player, but scroll back and don't get a sense of what she's looking into, both her non-falcon poe choices seem just players she was at odds with during certain debates (either defensive w. Zenon or on lynch principles with me)
falcon - placeholder for slackaward
Zenon - very chaotic and not familiar with the tell that she would issue strong town reads, but have this much trouble to issue wolf reads - is it towny tell, is it wolfy tell of her?
ShelterVet - always appears to have a moment of contribution, but then look back and the reads aren't that clear and just switched between two votes with thin-to-no substantiation

On Splints' "but" point - The splints and psv reads were a "x is towny but y is wolfy" kind of but, however the Zenon one is used differently since it's part of one statement. I don't think saying something is towny and something else is wolfy from the same player is necessarily wolfy, and in this case Ricochet had enough committal reads d1 that I don't think he's trying to avoid them.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:12 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:02 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:53 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:46 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
This vote and the follow up back onto Falcon pinged me. Ricochet is using whether someone would be good alive in lylo as a big reason for voting today. I know I as scum sometimes tend to use one aspect of solving as a crutch (like in my last scum game, I heavily used NKA even though I don't usually do it much as town) and voting based on who he wants in lylo feels like a similar substitute to scumreading on whether the person's content comes from a wolf.
Timeline was Porscha asking for a buff wagon on Roxy (and for me to move on it, I think?), me asking for productive reads rather than closing in on hammer not even seven hours into the Day, and then Zenon above closing that in (if I would have moved, it would have been 4 votes already), not even with the clarification that she sanctioned Roxy's AtE.

Might be indeed projecting (too many?) not-ideal scenarios for fx's, but that line was just a reaction - and with the vague recollection that Zenon did in fact snapvote a town loss into a final phase endgame (that Secret Santa game or what-was-it-called? - and I cannot both ask for time to be productive in reads and votes and do final (?), definitive votes on late phase scenarios alone.
What's a buff wagon? And did you actually scumread Zenon when you made that vote?
There were two wagons with 2 votes each at that time, but Porscha seemed to want a bigger, buffer one.

Not a proper scumread, I suppose, just a sanction vote for unreasoned and unproductive wagon consolidation. Not something unlike myself, if you count even the stance on falcon. Would have found it even more indignant if it would have been the 4th or hammer vote on Roxy.

Lol I was wondering if it was a typo or some weird new term but that makes sense.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:53 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:46 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls
This vote and the follow up back onto Falcon pinged me. Ricochet is using whether someone would be good alive in lylo as a big reason for voting today. I know I as scum sometimes tend to use one aspect of solving as a crutch (like in my last scum game, I heavily used NKA even though I don't usually do it much as town) and voting based on who he wants in lylo feels like a similar substitute to scumreading on whether the person's content comes from a wolf.
Timeline was Porscha asking for a buff wagon on Roxy (and for me to move on it, I think?), me asking for productive reads rather than closing in on hammer not even seven hours into the Day, and then Zenon above closing that in (if I would have moved, it would have been 4 votes already), not even with the clarification that she sanctioned Roxy's AtE.

Might be indeed projecting (too many?) not-ideal scenarios for fx's, but that line was just a reaction - and with the vague recollection that Zenon did in fact snapvote a town loss into a final phase endgame (that Secret Santa game or what-was-it-called? - and I cannot both ask for time to be productive in reads and votes and do final (?), definitive votes on late phase scenarios alone.

What's a buff wagon? And did you actually scumread Zenon when you made that vote?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 1:11 pm His issue is with her entrance to the game? Yes? I disagree that it’s not townie

She posted videos which is standard Rox. And @ me
We are friends so also not weird, but I don’t think a wolf Rox would @ me in her second post. We know each other well. She already has my attention. Why draw it to her further if she is a wolf? Makes no sense

This small observation that isn't really something the thread would take seriously but is something Splints might take seriously and use to read Roxy is somewhat towny.

Zenon wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:38 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:26 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 11:40 am @Thunal33 You're my strongest townlean. How are you reading Zenon? I haven't been a fan of some of her recent posts. I think her and Porscha is w/v and I wouldn't be surprised if she spewed Porscha town tbh
Also though I don't trust my ability to read her so... oomph
I townread Zenon coming into today, but I'm feeling less confident about that now. Her reads feel very safe today, like not scumreading anyone except Falcon who hasn't posted at all in her readslist. Her PoE felt safe yesterday as well (scumreading Splints) but then I was inclined to think her reads just landed that way, while now it's become more of a pattern. I still give weight to a couple of town points she had yesterday - like her trying to catch Rondo so early and avoiding past mistakes being a big part of her reads, and I at least agree on her latest Ricochet vote. I'd still put her at a townlean.
You've specced me you know I don't scum hunt I town hunt and this game is not giving me any thing so I'm just froze

Nothing I can do about that when I can't play my game.

GTH if you had to give a PoE of 2 people, who would it be?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:50 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 8:41 am I truly adore hammers
[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Perish before f3 pls

This vote and the follow up back onto Falcon pinged me. Ricochet is using whether someone would be good alive in lylo as a big reason for voting today. I know I as scum sometimes tend to use one aspect of solving as a crutch (like in my last scum game, I heavily used NKA even though I don't usually do it much as town) and voting based on who he wants in lylo feels like a similar substitute to scumreading on whether the person's content comes from a wolf.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 1:07 pm Hmm, same only have so many miselims. Do we really want to waste them resolving spots who haven’t gotten into the game yet? Falcon isn’t some newb who we have to worry about. He’s one of the top players on this site. If he’s quite it’s RL reasons or some people just take a day or two to get into the game. I do. It seems like an easy elim to me. People are grasping at LHf

I know he's not a newb but he was a wolflean for me because him sheeping me on Lemon felt like he was avoiding accountability for his Lemon vote.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 12:19 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 12:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 10:47 am I want to give Roxy room to breathe and see how she solves without as much pressure. From her reaction I think she'll probably show her alignment better if she doesn't have the pressure on her.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
Again, why give one player room to breathe but not another? Do you all really think eliminating every low poster solves the game?
We’re far from there yet, but do you prefer an f5 phase with such inactives still in the mix? Do you get reads from no content and sheep votes?

I know Falcon enough to know he posts enough per day that he's readable in lylo.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 12:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 10:47 am I want to give Roxy room to breathe and see how she solves without as much pressure. From her reaction I think she'll probably show her alignment better if she doesn't have the pressure on her.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine
Again, why give one player room to breathe but not another? Do you all really think eliminating every low poster solves the game?

It's not that Roxy is a low poster, it's that she was clearly frustrated about being suspected and didn't want to defend herself and I've found players like that are more readable when they're left alone for a bit.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 11:40 am @Thunal33 You're my strongest townlean. How are you reading Zenon? I haven't been a fan of some of her recent posts. I think her and Porscha is w/v and I wouldn't be surprised if she spewed Porscha town tbh
Also though I don't trust my ability to read her so... oomph

I townread Zenon coming into today, but I'm feeling less confident about that now. Her reads feel very safe today, like not scumreading anyone except Falcon who hasn't posted at all in her readslist. Her PoE felt safe yesterday as well (scumreading Splints) but then I was inclined to think her reads just landed that way, while now it's become more of a pattern. I still give weight to a couple of town points she had yesterday - like her trying to catch Rondo so early and avoiding past mistakes being a big part of her reads, and I at least agree on her latest Ricochet vote. I'd still put her at a townlean.

I want to give Roxy room to breathe and see how she solves without as much pressure. From her reaction I think she'll probably show her alignment better if she doesn't have the pressure on her.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 2:51 am players off wagon by eod:

roxy on epi
zenon on fs
psv on porscha
lemonfairy on rico
epi on roxy
and because I live in a glass house, I was on zenon

falcon rico thunal and rondo on lemon

falcon was early and never come back vote
rondo was give up no other wagon exists vote at eod
@Ricochet and @Thunal33 can you please reiterate why you were on lemon after she gave plenty of good feedback post-catch up? ftr whoever said they were worried that lemon focused on rondo too much felt fake AF so fess up at your own risk

I had a couple reasons. It was how the Rondo focus matched up with a tell I have of someone focusing on the same person while switching their read a bunch of times. In hindsight I was a bit too afraid of repeating past mistakes with the S8 finale where Katze did a very similar constant switching on me and I was fooled by it, so I thought Lemon doing it to Rondo was wolfy. At EoD I thought Lemon's posts being very wishy washy, like her vote coming with "idk" and not having a legacy stronger than there being a wolf on her wagon made me more confident in my vote.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 1:18 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 11:44 pm My issue with Porscha is that there's nothing I can point to from her and say it's towny, and from what I know about Porscha's town game there usually would be.
my issue with porscha is that there's nothing I can point to from her and say it's wolfy, and from what I know about porscha's wolf game, there usually would be.

fix this conundrum you've created unless you'd like to admit I'm just flat straight null

fwiw, my impression of your wolf game isn't that it's obviously wolfy but that there's an absence of the curiosity and solving in your town game. I don't think your wolf game is as bad as you say it is.

I'm moving Porscha up to a townlean after her recent posting. There were a couple town pings I got, like this post I think comes more often from town:

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 3:29 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 3:09 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 2:44 am psv's push on me is just a pocket attempt on thunal who keeps randomly and loudly proclaiming that i'm polarized but supposedly unable to see how i'm towny at all so thunal is probably town

ricochet said a lot of pretty good words but some of the conclusions were suboptimal
But like... your not polarized
if i'm not polarized and you were just fooled by me wolfing then why aren't you more paranoid of me

I also think that since Porscha believes she's polarized her challenging my statement today is towny. Her nudging me to make a stronger read on her is a bit more likely to come from someone who thinks I'll read her town, so either a townie or someone who thinks I'll be fooled by her wolf game and I don't think it's the latter.

I think Splints is being genuine about being not scared but could be either alignment and not scared. @fingersplints could you give a quick readslist?

Wrt the Rondo kill, I'm not surprised and I also don't necessarily think it means his reads were right. I think a lot of wolves would kill the high posting and loud voice controlling the thread regardless of his reads since his reads could switch any time.

I'm going to bed soon, good night.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 11:42 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 11:41 pm Town:
Epi
Zenon

Townlean:
Ricochet
PSV

PoE:
Porscha
Splints
Falcon
Roxy
Why do you lean toward a good Rico?

For the second half of the day we had quite similar thoughts, and he made some observations I think are >rand town to make. For example I liked that he observed my habit of responding to people answering me with things like "that's interesting".

My issue with Porscha is that there's nothing I can point to from her and say it's towny, and from what I know about Porscha's town game there usually would be.

Town:
Epi
Zenon

Townlean:
Ricochet
PSV

PoE:
Porscha
Splints
Falcon
Roxy

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 11:33 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 11:09 pm The more the Epi/Roxy mutual suspicion goes on, the less likely I think it's t/t and I think I should give weight to their reads on each other. I think it's very unlikely w/w, but I also don't think two people who know each other well often confidently and continously suspect each other when they're both town. I'm inclined to think Roxy is wolf and Epi is town.
I agree with this. I don't know either player at all but Epi is putting in effort, pushing people, etc.
I personally prefer not to chop people who aren't here to respond. I'd like to see what Roxy says in response to pressure.

It's a long time before the chop.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat May 27, 2023 11:15 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:21 pm Not much to vote on today

It's a no to splints as she probs fell asleep in her daughter's bed again.

The points on falcon do make sense. Looking back it seemed normal to me at the time but with him just dipping out did feel strange even from them.

Porscha's lack of content is concerning to me. It's d 1 I know I am just not that familiar with them.
May vote here

Epignosis is my top suspicion. He feels a bit too flippant. I would vote here.

I got my granddaughter rn so I have to vote now or never.

I'm going with my own read

vote epi
Yeah, this could easily be a wolf. Epi's ISO looks considerably better than Roxy's imo and I like that he kept trying to push and bring attention to Roxy, while Roxy made one take on Epi without any effort to convince people or bring it to anyone's attention.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

To expand on this - Roxy disagreed with Epi before this and there was implied suspicion but she didn't commit to clearly suspecting him until this one take, while Epi was more committal from the start which I think is a good look for him.

I also agree with Epi that I'm not sure where Roxy saying Epi was flippant comes from. I actually looked up the word flippant to make sure it meant what I think it meant because it didn't make a lot of sense.

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:21 pm Not much to vote on today

It's a no to splints as she probs fell asleep in her daughter's bed again.

The points on falcon do make sense. Looking back it seemed normal to me at the time but with him just dipping out did feel strange even from them.

Porscha's lack of content is concerning to me. It's d 1 I know I am just not that familiar with them.
May vote here

Epignosis is my top suspicion. He feels a bit too flippant. I would vote here.

I got my granddaughter rn so I have to vote now or never.

I'm going with my own read

vote epi

Yeah, this could easily be a wolf. Epi's ISO looks considerably better than Roxy's imo and I like that he kept trying to push and bring attention to Roxy, while Roxy made one take on Epi without any effort to convince people or bring it to anyone's attention.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

The more the Epi/Roxy mutual suspicion goes on, the less likely I think it's t/t and I think I should give weight to their reads on each other. I think it's very unlikely w/w, but I also don't think two people who know each other well often confidently and continously suspect each other when they're both town. I'm inclined to think Roxy is wolf and Epi is town.

I hope I'm right on this. I missed playing mafia but one of the things I did not miss was flip anxiety lol.

@Lemonfairy give me a readslist if you have time.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:55 pm It isn't 7 minds to EOD though, we still have more than an hour til close, no?

I thought it was.

Well Lemon came back and I think her re-entry was wolfy.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:48 pm Let's play this game: If fingersplints is bad, who's the teammate and why?

Honestly there aren't many people who are unpaired with Splints. Porscha or Falcon would be my top guesses.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:48 pm Nah I don't KNOW splints I've played games with her if that makes sense

Okay. I was making a read that if splints gets scared easily, she'd probably be scared of your taking charge and reaction testing playstyle.

Lemon/Splints wagons might give a lot of usable info, especially if Lemon flips wolf.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:44 pm But by the same token if she was wolf and I was in the game she would post more so I don't murder her

I feel like only one of your/Zenon's meta takes is true. If w!Splints would be terrified of posting with people who know her, she'd probably be terrified of posting with you in the game because of your wildcard playstyle.

CFDing to a chop on the lowest poster probably loses out on a lot of info though.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:39 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:38 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:35 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:34 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:31 pm And I know first hand splints is terrified of posting as wolf when there's people who know them in the game.
Isn't that pretty much every game here? There's a difference between just being inactive and having a volume tell, and I don't know Splints at all so I'm not sure which one it is.
I'm confused
I meant that people know each other in most Syndicate games and it seems like a lot of people know Splints, so wouldn't she know people in pretty much all her wolf games?
There'sa group I'm thinking of here that's like Roxy splints SVS Kate

That makes a bit more sense.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:38 pm Yeah that was to your "this guy" comment and epi is just town. Towncore of epi, thunal, Porscha, me. Need two more?

Can you explain Porscha? I'm not seeing it.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:35 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:34 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:31 pm And I know first hand splints is terrified of posting as wolf when there's people who know them in the game.
Isn't that pretty much every game here? There's a difference between just being inactive and having a volume tell, and I don't know Splints at all so I'm not sure which one it is.
I'm confused

I meant that people know each other in most Syndicate games and it seems like a lot of people know Splints, so wouldn't she know people in pretty much all her wolf games?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:34 pm Thunal im not coming at you but how is zenon a go with the flow push? Its a brand new wagon when I wanted to consolidate

I saw it as possibly going with your vote and the direction of people poking at possible counterwagons.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:31 pm And I know first hand splints is terrified of posting as wolf when there's people who know them in the game.

Isn't that pretty much every game here? There's a difference between just being inactive and having a volume tell, and I don't know Splints at all so I'm not sure which one it is.

Porscha's posts still don't make a strong impression so she's trending down in my reads. I know people call her obvious town when she's town and when I spectated mafia league I was able to see some town points from her when she was town, but here she's mostly going with the flow and not sticking out to me.

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:21 pm Not much to vote on today

It's a no to splints as she probs fell asleep in her daughter's bed again.

The points on falcon do make sense. Looking back it seemed normal to me at the time but with him just dipping out did feel strange even from them.

Porscha's lack of content is concerning to me. It's d 1 I know I am just not that familiar with them.
May vote here

Epignosis is my top suspicion. He feels a bit too flippant. I would vote here.

I got my granddaughter rn so I have to vote now or never.

I'm going with my own read

vote epi

Expanding on Rondo's post, why say no to a splints vote but find Porscha's lack of content concerning? Is Splints not making content more normal than Porscha not making content?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:32 pm Who do you think should be the counter wagon to lemon thunal?

Falcon.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:24 pm So the fact that I pushed her just now and she froze and bailed does nothing for you?

I don't really see it as just being frozen - she asked you about the push and left. Her activity patterns are noted (that dip and her showing up when she was voted earlier) but it also could be coincidence/irl and I don't feel confident making the call that it's not.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:20 pm In lemon's defence they did answer on thoughts on others after their catch-up. But it was long after I went to bed

It's true. I'm not putting a lot of stock into that because she had been called out for OMGUSing and focusing on you at that point so she could easily have changed her approach to get townread.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:16 pm Do you have anything to say against the fact that PSV thinks porscha is a wolf. Has done nothing to push her and when I push them they leave thread? They have done no questions or attempts to understand porscha. They are quietly being nearby. You are extending your protection so at least address my concerns

Honestly it's hard to read into that because she basically outed a scumread on Porscha and dipped. It's possible she isn't actually interested in Porscha but it's also possible she was busy after. I do think that if she continues not digging further into her Porscha read she'd fall down in my reads. I have a light townlean on her and don't think she's the best d1 chop.

Tbh I'm getting cold feet because I'm nervous about being wrong, but I think my best shot at hitting a wolf is staying on Lemonfairy. I reread her posts and I think it matches up pretty well with a tell I have where wolves tend to focus on one person and switch their read on them a lot in a short period of time. In her town game I looked at she did focus on Kate some because Kate sussed her slot, but not as much as she was doing with Rondo here.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:07 pm Yeah it was last night at some point you did something that pinged me in the thunal and lemon world and I called it in thread. I mean for me lemon is the best option if psv towns up and Falcon and finger get more content going. I didn't like lemons opening but they towned up ok and had some people defending their meta so its 50/50 for me and we need a wagon. PSV is looking like a good counter or finger/Falcon just for low posting

I don't think a PSV chop is the best idea. I feel like me and PSV have been mostly on the same wavelength and their takes seem reasonable. I'm not in favor of voting someone just for low posting but Falcon coming in, having unmemorable takes, sheeping, and leaving is making me paranoid about him. I do think he's unpaired with Lemon.

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