The Syndicate

I looked through JJJ's ISO and the JJJ NK could very easily have been made by Sloonei and not Alison. JJJ apparently has a very good track record of reading Sloonei and he trended from saying Sloonei is probably town to saying he's GTH mafia in the bun to head reads and really wishing Sloonei had mo...

Okay. I think Thunal33 and Alison's differences or scum-reads on each other were kinda set-up to turn out this way after having early-game differences on play-style or perception. Oh yeah I forgot to @Alison @Thunal33 See the big post that I quoted here. Use the arrow in the quote to jump to it. Tl...

I have a very good track record in games where we vote to give someone a gun. Which this basically is. So vote to give me a gun. End pitch and posting. Ok fine I’ll make one more Optimal is for everyone to vote [n-Nanook] where n is all the players Then nanook votes one person Then you all give me ...

I do not think it’s an accurate theory. If from your POV it's not you and you don't think it's Alison, who are your suspects? I never said I don’t think it’s Alison. I will be doing some heavy analysis this phase. I’ll have more thorough reads at that point. I'll try to do some involved analysis si...

long con: i've been trying to figure out whether or not long con's "i am super detached from this game"-style of playing was coming from a genuine place or not. something that inclines me to think that long con isn't using their disinterest as an excuse to be lazy is the fact that they ar...

This has not felt like Hally’s scum game that I saw in Champs, but our current interaction is bugging me. Maybe it’s because I’m snippy with all the constant suspicions against me all game, but “lol weird that you’d show up right after someone calls you scum” when I’ve been getting called scum by h...

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:40 am I do not think it’s an accurate theory.

If from your POV it's not you and you don't think it's Alison, who are your suspects?

i really dislike this post - martin is going out of his way to say that LC is null and acting annoyed that he has to talk about him at all - even though he spent a lot of d1 implying that long con was scummy, and he put long con as gth scum in an exercise a few hours earlier. i don't understand why...

Okay. I think Thunal33 and Alison's differences or scum-reads on each other were kinda set-up to turn out this way after having early-game differences on play-style or perception. Oh yeah I forgot to @Alison @Thunal33 See the big post that I quoted here. Use the arrow in the quote to jump to it. Tl...

One takeaway I have from reading some of Martin's later posts from his scum game is that I revoke the "effort/content generating" reason to townread him. He was able to give plenty of content and long posts in his scum game. His tone does feel somewhat different though, a bit less honest a...

Can relate, I have school now and I dislike that I can't play quite as strongly as I was able to in the summer. Your scum game feels like you committed to honesty at some level and didn't want to lie (at least at the start which is what I read). You were making a lot of honest statements (talking a...

martin’s posts have a sort of self-consciously honest feel to them that makes it very hard to scum read him. he sounds so pure fwiw im having a similar struggle with martin right now - i do think that there's evidence to suggest that he has a solid chance of being scum, but there is a certain authe...

Can you link to some of your meta? I don't really have a good game to show my current town meta....a lot of it relied on reads analysis and methodical non-gut play. I've been trying to balance it recently with some gut play since I recently had an anonymous game (which I could link but I wasn't act...

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:20 pm its cool if u keep saying if martin, its up to u. im pretty sure ive said "if im town" a bunch of times this game

Where are you at right now? Who are your top suspects and top townreads?

I could see the "if I'm town" bits as being similar to "if it's not green vote me out" style ultimatums in Among Us, where you phrase it as an "if" even though you saw green slaughter someone in front of you and know for a fact they are scum. I could see the "if I...

"Nothing has negatively pinged me yet" seems at odds with your characterization of Thunal as being so strongly town you're willing to townclear her and POE out whoever's left as the scum team. Well perhaps I'm using words that have a different set value or meaning to you than it does to m...

Showing only votes on Long Con and Alison in chronological order Long Con Alison lc Thunal votes Alison here, but voted LC later. Alison Sloonei voted both LC and Alison here, so that doesn't really matter. long con And LC Thunal votes LC here, but voted Alison earlier. alison Okay, @NANOOKTHEGREAT...

fwiw i think it’s just a Sloonei Thing to ask people open-ended questions like that. he’s done it with others this game too pretty sure. if it was someone else i might agree that sort of questioning can look like trying to ease content out of a teammate but for sloonei it’s just... how he is pretty...

i have the game poe’d down to jay/sloonei/lc/carrote. not even kidding. like i tr everyone else. and rn im looking at that and going “this cannot possibly be right” so maybe one of my tr’s is wrong but this is where i’m at Sounds great. But then this post is just so blunt and blasé about his name b...

LC's read on Sloonei feels distinctly fake and for quite bad reasons. He either doesn't have actual reasons to push Sloonei since he's town or he's pulling a Sheppard and making an intentionally bad justification for why Sloonei is scum so he doesn't have to push Sloonei to the degree where others ...

Sloonei/LC stuff: @Sloonei what is lc’s alignment? same question to @Long Con actually - sloonei is [fill in the blank] Sloonei is mafia. In the early game, as I said, I don't have a strong grasp on why people are Town reading or scum reading others, a lot of the time. As a result, my reads in the e...

FTR I thought Thunal had scum equity with LC earlier because she cooked up a Hally push right as LC's wagon started to seriously gain steam, and did end up voting me over LC (and then transitioning to a no vote, which is suspicion on a close wagon between town and scum). The comment about LC being ...

i have the game poe’d down to jay/sloonei/lc/carrote. not even kidding. like i tr everyone else. and rn im looking at that and going “this cannot possibly be right” so maybe one of my tr’s is wrong but this is where i’m at Sounds great. Then there's this post from LC. Would LC react this way to a P...

Hally is actually right that the Thunal post about LC being widely suspected but not pushed goes quite a long way towards making her look good, since it was made before either JJJ or nutella's pushed on LC. I know I said I was gonna thunderdome her but that's made me doubt myself and I certainly ca...

How do you mention people? you have to click on the name as it pops up when you're typing, or you can manually use the bbcode or the button in the post editor to answer your question, yeah I think that's a pretty likely team though again I wouldn't be too surprised if it's a bit harder than that. I...

How do you mention people?

I think I'll focus on gathering information with what time I have today since I don't have time to look at how everyone interacted with LC until tomorrow. I don't feel confident giving any solid takes right now. @nutella Do you think a LC/Martin/Sloonei team is the most likely? What are your biggest...

the post didn't even make sense, he's saying to trust alison if he flips town because they can't be wolf partners? doesn't that mean we should trust alison more if he flips wolf? like idgi it feels almost like a slip it's so wolfy hahahaha Alison has argued that I'm town. If shes wrong on that read...

that was a wolfy post. martin’s appeal is wolfy. he’s leaning on alison in a wolfy way. martin is a wolf. wolfy wolfy wolfy Can you elaborate on why you find Martin and specifically that post wolfy? I didn't see it as wolfy for Martin to say "if I flip town" instead of "when I flip t...

I think this self-pres and the fact that LC had zero hesitation voting Alison despite not previously making a read on her makes Alison more likely to be town. why? i think it’s totally NAI My reasoning was that LC would have at least tried to justify it a little if Alison was scum or make it look b...

@Sloonei what is lc’s alignment? same question to @Long Con actually - sloonei is [fill in the blank] Sloonei is mafia. In the early game, as I said, I don't have a strong grasp on why people are Town reading or scum reading others, a lot of the time. As a result, my reads in the early game are oft...

I think I townread tutuu the most. Either way, Martin's warning looks townish to me. Scum would want a villager to screw up and get punished, I think. Linki: That's rough. @JaggedJimmyJay what do you think of that? Hally, I get that you are really into this game, and have kind of checked out of the...

Nova did suspect LC though. I'll look for possible spew from LC.

I didn't think the Jay kill was all that unusual, it looks like scum aren't trying to kill people with the most correct reads (since they killed Nova), they're just killing the widely townread people and Jay definitely fell into that category. Are the NKs on this site usually straightforward or do ...

Martin - thoughts look genuine and I get the feeling he’s posting whatever thoughts come to mind without a whole lot of calculation which is a good look for him. He’s considered people outside the immediate PoE which makes me feel good about him. Townread. You do realize that over-analysis specific...

I didn't think the Jay kill was all that unusual, it looks like scum aren't trying to kill people with the most correct reads (since they killed Nova), they're just killing the widely townread people and Jay definitely fell into that category. Are the NKs on this site usually straightforward or do s...

My meta (I thought it would be good to link it, especially for Alison so she can realize that this is my town meta): Town games: https://mafiacafe.boards.net/thread/105/game-cooks-island-lunch-special (the only light game on the list) https://forum.throneoflies.com/t/wild-west-fm-day-5-mafia-win/835...

Reads as of N2 (before LC flip and JJJ kill): Hally - did a complete 180 on Carotte once they were sent to the grasslands which I find less suspicious than I did before since it was consistent with their take on LC after they weren’t sent to the grasslands. Seems to be solving and gave thoughts I ha...

no, it’s because jay knows sloonei better than anyone so i value his opinion on sloonei more than anyone else’s Regardless of your alignment I believe this. I realized that I had a hole in my argument - if you would be concerned about anyone being suspicious of you for not listening to them, it wou...

I haven't fully caught up yet but I glanced over the posts from this page and I just want to say that this kind of emotion by nut (specifically the "super excited to have nailed a wolf" vibe) is incredibly impressive if it's faked, and I don't think it is, I think nut is just a villager h...

I'm actually here now and I'll try to catch up and give whatever takes I can in the short time I have left.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Ultimately I'm a little more certain on LC than I am on Alison.

I wanted to get a closer look at Alison's reads progressions. I use this kind of chart to visualize that -- the colors depict her reads [generally per my interpretations] on each player in the game over time, starting early Day 1 on the left and progressing toward the present moment on Day 2. https...

I'm exasperated on the matter of Sloonei. The "I don't feel like this" posts have become almost caricature, to the point that I think he'd probably offer up something more prideful than that if he was a mafioso -- and yet I am not comfortable actually relying on a read like that. I apprec...

also the comparison to what i did with dya in finals is wrong, just saying. i did not actively shut down their arguments that game. i simply ignored them. this is what i’m talking about when i say you have reads and then just make up arguments based on that to justify what you feel. the thing you’r...

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:36 pm @Thunal33 do you think Hally and LC make sense as w/w?

I’m on mobile (which is why I quoted the wall) and haven’t caught up, but I don’t think Hally and LC are w/w. Hally doesn’t usually bus.

@Thunal33 would you describe your concern more as: Hally is not listening. or Hally is not listening to Thunal. I'm pretty concerned with the fact that Hally isn't listening to me and that pings me the most but I'm not the only one she isn't listening to. Overall it's more of a concern of "Hal...

Martin's posts that I think are really good - I would hesitate to call it a flat out mindmeld since I don't actually agree with every word he says in these posts, but I can relate to the thought process enough or have thought similar things myself that I am fairly certain it comes from town. #18, #...

I am continuing to think long and hard about the mass of cases/suspicions that have been floated in here lately. I am honestly very torn on pretty much all of it. I do think the most important core of our collective hunt can remain founded on the usual question: who is town? If you can name five ci...

Generally it's a good idea to keep any content from an ongoing game out of a different game, just to be maximally kosher. But oh well what's done is done. @Long Con do you think nutella is mafia? @Thunal33 to what degree of confidence would you claim is your suspicion of Hally? @Sloonei what are yo...

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