The Syndicate

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:12 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:59 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:58 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:52 am GG

gj svs, you made this game easier

I got the protect the night after Belzy flipped. I couldn’t protect myself so I protected Thunal and was told my target succeeded <3

I figured they would expect me to be protected that night and go for someone else.
Great play this game! I thought they'd try to kill you.

Also, what were the trivia prizes?

I went backwards on this list:

I was going to have a Duplicate night, a Triple threat night and a Death Day but since I did not announce it before my game started the MoD's felt it was unfair of me to presume that you all would want to play a game that was not fully disclosed, but I am a bit of a whore when modding so even tho I think it was ok most people do not LOL. Thats why splints is always my co-host to hold me back.

1. What character first appeared with wings? Rosita - bus driver
2. What is Count Von Count's kitten's name? Fatatita, Fatatatita, or Ftatateeta (any are accepted) bulletproof
3. Who is Grover's nemesis? Mr. Johnson - protection
4. Who is Zoe's best friend besides Elmo? Rocco her pet rock - off elim poll - Epignosis won
5. Does Abby have any siblings? Name them. Rudy her step brother - steal a vote - DrWigly won - Steals SVS vote D 3
6. Big Bird's nest has moved to where? Into a tree - alignment check - S~V~S won - checks Thunal - Fails SVS was blocked by Zenon

SVS didn't see me in that tree so she couldn't check me.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:08 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:59 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:58 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:52 am GG

gj svs, you made this game easier

I got the protect the night after Belzy flipped. I couldn’t protect myself so I protected Thunal and was told my target succeeded <3

I figured they would expect me to be protected that night and go for someone else.
Great play this game! I thought they'd try to kill you.

Also, what were the trivia prizes?
It’s posted in the Discord portal. I saw PA (the artist formerly known as Zenon) blocked me night one. I role checked you that night and it failed. TBH if it had gone through I would have probably not bothered to go through my EOD day 1 poll watching timeline since I was in the middle of writing a vote post on YOU when I realized that that Belzy vote made no sense if you were w/w.

Since PA tried so hard to discredit that yeet, I got a kick out of it being her night action that ultimately led to it.

Nice! I thought I'd have to deal with a lot of sus d2 so your Belzy read was really welcome.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:58 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:52 am GG

gj svs, you made this game easier

I got the protect the night after Belzy flipped. I couldn’t protect myself so I protected Thunal and was told my target succeeded <3

I figured they would expect me to be protected that night and go for someone else.

Great play this game! I thought they'd try to kill you.

Also, what were the trivia prizes?

gg everyone!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:46 pm Also, my vote is spiritually on Falcon, I just don't want a hammer until at least everyone checks in.

Same here. I'd be fine with hammering, but not this early.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:39 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:39 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:37 pm TBH I haven't voted you Thunal because I was giving space/time since you were getting kinda tunneled by a few people.
I never CFD Wilgy with Belzy as a wolf.
I don't hard bus 2 teammates when I'm barely playing/posting.

Probably not, but I have stronger reasons to think most of the list is town. I don't want to vote you today.

Rereading stuff I don't really think it's MR because imo Belzy felt genuinely annoyed she couldn't eliminate him.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:37 pm TBH I haven't voted you Thunal because I was giving space/time since you were getting kinda tunneled by a few people.

I never CFD Wilgy with Belzy as a wolf.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:14 pm In the interest of making today productive, falcon is a civilian.

Where do we go from there?

You, LC, or Radishes. Everyone else I feel pretty confident in.

Tbh now I I think it very well could be Falcon. At first I thought Wilgy actually didn't mind dying but when he was wagoned he did return and make some effort to tell people he was town. It was probably more defeated wolf than self sacrificing wolf.

I agree with a lot of MR's spew takes today. I had a tinfoil on Ted as well but I think he's probably town.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:17 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:11 pm I think Belzy's spew generally is level 1 in some ways. She can and does distance with teammates and vote them, but when it comes to more in depth interactions like trying to convince someone or trying to discredit someone that person is likely town.
Are you speaking in general, i.e. based on previous games with her?

From what I remember yes. It is pretty outdated meta.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:51 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:15 pm A tinfoil I have is Belzy/Wilgy w/w. Belzy was doing a lot of talking about how she wanted to eliminate Wilgy after she switched back to robyn but wasn't really advocating for a CFD. These posts were after both her and myself switched to Robyn and they felt like she was putting on a show for the thread.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:51 pm

You give me allergies. If you survive day and night, and also post d2 like this, I will advocate your lynch.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:52 pm
For some reason it is hard to create a real wagon on Wilg.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:57 pm Just calling a CFD on you.

Will you act like this on d2 also?

Last game I did the same w/moto. Also then i was not very vocal w/my CFD. I just give it attention and a vote.

If Wilgy flips wolf I found something that's a good look for Ted. I made this post as well as one just generally suspecting Belzy, and one proposing a Belzy/Wilgy/Ted team all at around the same time.

Belzy only reacted to the one calling her and Wilgy w/w. If Wilgy is wolf I think Belzy wanted to refute that her/Wilgy were w/w but paid no attention to refuting that her/Ted were w/w.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:11 pm Insomn am I right calling out the Ladd Tell there or am I off on that?

What is the ladd tell?

I think Belzy's spew generally is level 1 in some ways. She can and does distance with teammates and vote them, but when it comes to more in depth interactions like trying to convince someone or trying to discredit someone that person is likely town.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:58 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 29, 2023 5:05 am On D1, Belzy most pushes Seanzie early, then Ted later. She also spends as much energy on Thunal, who she doesn't want chopped. Most every slot slot gets less attention, imo.

Still pondering her intentions with these players. Not every push a wolf makes is on a town, and not every player whose wagon they complain about is on a wolf partner.

For a baseline, her treatment of Robyn and Kate (known towns) is very light touch. Belzy doesn't seem to care about their slots all that much.

I'll read over her iso again later.
I had the impression Belzy and Thunal played at the same forum, Belzy said it in a post.

Perhaps she was afraid Thunal could read her better than most, and focused on her for that reason?

No idea regarding the others. And her treatment of Robyn/Kate wasn’t that light; she DID kill their slot after all.

This is true, and Seanzie played at Mafia Cafe too. She successfully pocketed me in the past in a BTSC but I'm not sure how much she remembers that game.

If Wilgy is a wolf I think he thinks his partner has a chance at winning. I don't think it would be someone like Epi or Falcon.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 10:43 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 9:39 am I'm down to go over at this point. We're in a good position and if it prevents an uncertainty at endgame that's cool with me. I do not expect myself to be an informed player for at least this cycle anyhow.
Wilgy is town

This did give me pause for a bit but I’ve seen enough wolves do it that it doesn’t mean a lot. I think the evidence against Wilgy is stronger than for him.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:39 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:35 pm I thought Belzys entire roster of interactions with Wilgy was distancing.

She kept talking about him, she mentioned turning him twice, kept poking him but never made a serious effort, or any effort really, to get him yeeted.

I think Wilgy has the most partner equity for Belzy.
dunno, his silver tongue is getting to me

kinda think he isn’t bothered by dying

and belzy voted wilgy at EoD when i’ve expressed i could easily vote him, im not sure if kate had posted the list with wilgy wolf at that point in time either, but if so then that’s another

and he’s just someone that would have traction imo esp after robyn’s “AtE” (idk what to call it, prob wasn’t AtE) and thunal garnering villa reads

im not sure if i’d be voting my partner there when it’s prime time for a flashwagon, but idk if i have the order of events right

Him not being bothered by dying is the one thing that makes me not so sure on him.

I have mixed feelings on MR. It felt like Belzy was genuinely annoyed about mislims being taken away from her d1, but she also pushed MR early in a way that suggested she was comfortable doing it and I'm not sure if she'd be that comfy on a townie.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:39 pm lesser degree? :P

i thought you and myself were the easiest spew from belzy, lol

I tend to be paranoid about distancing especially from Belzy who i've seen push partners before. I still think you're probably town from the spew.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:36 pm I actually thought that post you quoted on epi to be a good sign for him

Mainly because i’ve never seen wolves do that type of post on wolf partners before. If you are w/w you’d be accustomed to that person in your wolfchat obv

There is 1 scenario where it’d make sense as w/w but idk if im entertaining it yet

It reminded me of Cyberpunk where LC went "who is this guy? forgot he was playing" on teammate Wilgy. Could be Belzy actually forgetting about Epi though.

SVS, Splints, and Seanzie look very good from spew and I really don't see any of them teamed with Belzy. Zenon and Ted look good to a lesser degree.

I still feel like Belzy was making a show out of voting Wilgy more than really pushing for him. I think she didn't expect me to change my vote to him and was more moaning about why we can't CFD Wilgy than actually trying to get a CFD on Wilgy.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:35 pm I thought Belzys entire roster of interactions with Wilgy was distancing.

She kept talking about him, she mentioned turning him twice, kept poking him but never made a serious effort, or any effort really, to get him yeeted.

I think Wilgy has the most partner equity for Belzy.

I was just writing up a post about that. Exactly what I was thinking.

Belzy spew ISO:

Spoiler: show

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 4:26 am Kinda annoying can't vote for two players today. Kate and MR go into the null pile until d2.

Slightly good look for MR.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:32 am
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:06 am Damn, do I have to be the one to do Serious Game Stuff here? It's not really my thing.

Macro thing: Zenon feels like she's posting just for the sake of keeping a presence.

Micro thing 1:
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:42 pm I only join games with at least 3 people I like now it's my new rule.

Congrats I like at least 3 of you
Objective fact: this was the worst opening post of anyone. It was neither Sesame Street related, nor a generic 'hi' or 'yay' or whatever, nor a generic shit post like 'hmm'. It shows Zenon thinking about herself, and a self-centred perspective is a scummy trait.

Micro thing 2 (will put this sequence in spoilers):

Spoiler: show

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:07 am brad is lock mafia

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:10 am I'm bored so sure

Vote: bread

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:12 am [VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:34 amVote: Tu madre

The mild 'I'm bored so sure' justification feels unnecessary, and the silly comeback to Wilgy feels like a deflection.

Zenon is LOCK SCUM.

Discuss.
Lock scum seems like a stretch. Does zenon not often say to be bored?

Slightly good for Zenon.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:40 am I don't like MR's case on Zenon. I could ...not... vote for MR.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:45 am[VOTE: MR] aubergine

Not a good look for MR imo. Trying to suspect MR while knowing she’s not putting him in any real danger.
It feels like Belzy thinks MR is a safe poke.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:42 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 5:40 am

That's...
I know...

Wanna mason with me, and lynch MR d2?

Trying to appeal to Zenon. Good look for Zenon.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:45 am [reads list]
This all is still based on very little. Your very early with such detailed read list this time. This does not make you necessirily town. Mostly thin air imo.

This was an attempt to discredit Sean since he scumread her. Good look for Sean.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:59 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 11:32 am
You complain about how slow the game is, state that you want us to work together to decide on an elim, but then when I actually put in the work to help town do just that (yes, off very little, but how exactly do you expect there to be "a lot" if people don't start with the little bit at the beginning of the game?), this is your response?

Nah.

[VOTE: Belzy] aubergine
I would try to work together where I think I should. You seem to try too hard to look town. I want you to be town, because your reads have been the best in our past few games, but this time you make very early cases I fail to see anything I can engage or agree with.

Now you vote for me. I think you just wanna get rid of me. Is that it?

Goading Sean into an argument imo.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:49 pm I'm gone til Sunday folks

Your off to some festival or so? Enjoy.

So falcon will relatively miss d1? Hmpf, that is 3 ppl (also Kate and MR) who are not real d1 options.

Good look for Falcon. I think Belzy wanted him to be a d1 option.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:35 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:12 am [VOTE: Zenon] aubergine
Why is your vote on Zenon?

Wilg so far made lol votes on MR and Kate, a naked vote on Zenon, and that's it.

Come on. Why is half the thread doing nothing? 24 hrs have passed.

Slightly bad look for Wilgy. She’s offering him an in to get into the game rather than actually pushing him.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:54 pm So we cannot vote for Kate and MR, Ted says to be slanking, Falcon is off to some band, musical or festival thingy, Wilg only puts in naked votes, and some other players still have like 1 game related post, and Sean tunnels me cuz I am CWAC. [Censored]

I need to cool down. Please post @ EVERYONE !

At least one of the people mentioned is a wolf.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 1:14 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:54 pm So we cannot vote for Kate and MR, Ted says to be slanking, Falcon is off to some band, musical or festival thingy, Wilg only puts in naked votes, and some other players still have like 1 game related post, and Sean tunnels me cuz I am CWAC. [Censored]

I need to cool down. Please post @ EVERYONE !
Can you give me reads on the people who are posting?

Do you still think MR is bad?

What do you think of {Kate, SVS, Thunal, Lime}?

In a world where both of us are town, is there anyone that looks like a wolf trying to capitalize on my push on you?
Kate looks townly, SVS null, Thunal townly, Lime null, MR null. I think Ted could be wolf. Wilg and Falcon are bottom posters, so null. I don't have many scumreads.

Not sure about the last part.

Slight + for Ted. She feels afraid to actually push him.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:18 pm Epi is playing tooooo, damn, another null! 2 postsssss

Slight - for Epi.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 2:24 pm Wilg, Falcon, epi and Finger are null cuz lack of posting. Wilg made some votes, one poll related. Which is very meh.

Thunal and Zenon are the two I won't vote for today pretty sure.

Ted, Sean, Robyn, Lime and SVS are all in my poe along w/ the 4 bottom posters. That is way too many.

Slight - for Wilgy. Why is Wilgy the only one that needs to be explained here?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:11 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 3:09 pm I disagree with your disagreement.
Why? Is it typical for a whole human day to pass and people lacking content on here?

So many complaints about people being null and not having enough content that it feels like a fixation on it. I’d guess Belzy has at least one low volume partner.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:54 am
I am struggling to comprehend a real reason what makes Kate wolf here. Her vote on you... looking into Zenon voters... saying you're gonna slank... for a singular post... or just naked voting... okay, I wrote them down so I won't forget your reasons.

Slight good look for Ted.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:15 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 10:41 am OK, I just searched Belzys ISO for "ted" and her main reasons for voting him seem to be "I want more posts from ted".

Am I missing something? Is this just a pressure vote?
The main focus on Kate while we could not vote for her, to then self-press vote for me, wasn't a good look imo. It took Ted forever to do something else, like going after Epi. Which makes a slighty better look on Ted, but I still am not sold on Ted.

Somewhat good for Ted.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:47 pm LC still got vote on me based on me trying to figure out why 2 ppl are not in the poll. Come on.

Seems like genuine annoyance at LC, slight good look.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:55 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 1:52 pm @Belzy if you could make one concise post on your case on lc I would appreciate it
I will iso LC and make a post on LC, also to make sure I am not going into OMGUS mode.

Feels like a reaction to LC’s vote on her which is a slight good look.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:45 pm We could just CFD DrWilg for trolling...

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 3:50 pm [VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

Looks level 1 good for Wilgy.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:06 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:02 pm I did a recheck of my reasons to townread my townreads because I'm pretty sure I miscleared at least one.

Sean - His depth of thought, Belzy tunnel, and being out there with his reads I fairly strongly associate with town Seanzie.
Belzy - Her reaction to Sean’s suspicion and being determined to not go into OMGUS mode, her really wanting to get the game going.
SVS - Generally good observations, self-meta of putting herself out there checks out with se7en and what I remember from GoC
Zenon - mech reactions were towny, shield on robyn looks towny regardless of robyn’s alignment
Ted - mindmelded on the Kate push, putting himself out there
Master Radishes - talking about immunity was level 1 good, exercise to make a consensus PoE was towny

The easier to fake/weaker reasons imo are Ted and MR. After this exercise I actually townread Zenon more than I townread SVS but still below Sean and Belzy. I don’t feel comfortable throwing away any of these townreads.
Thunal gives me enough reason to not vote her.

Robyn, Ted, Wilg... I could vote here...

Slightly bad look for Wilgy that she’s trying to suggest other wagons here.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:07 pm I could also vote LC

“Oh yeah, LC exists too!” this feels like, so it’s slightly good for LC.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:14 pm It would make sense i vote for Robyn to double the gap to Thunal, which i will if wagons are not changing. Robyn is however not my fave lynch, but def in my poe.

Projecting that she doesn’t really want to vote for Robyn.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:17 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:16 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:14 pm It would make sense i vote for Robyn to double the gap to Thunal, which i will if wagons are not changing. Robyn is however not my fave lynch, but def in my poe.
I'm considering changing my vote to Wilgy.
CFD ftw

It doesn’t feel like Belzy was actually enthusiastic about voting Wilgy.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:48 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:48 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:46 pm *sips tea in [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine
Any reason?

You give me allergies. If you survive day and night, and also post d2 like this, I will advocate your lynch.

Similarly to MR I feel like Belzy sees Wilgy as a safe push. I actually think that mindset looks worse for MR than it does for Wilgy since Belzy was comfortable poking MR despite him being a fairly active player with some influence, but I could see Belzy being comfortable poking trolling t!Wilgy.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 6:01 pm
I am not sure if I think Wilg is wolf or if I want Wilg to be wolf, but I do know I want to lynch Wilg and is in my poe.

1 hr left. So robyn vs you seems most likely.

I think this is a slight good look for Wilgy. If they were w/w Belzy might go for maximum credit and just call him a wolf.

There’s not a whole lot of useful spew d2 since imo Belzy was in antispew for a lot of it.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:10 am SVS and FS are scum. I wanted to say it earlier,,but i wanted to talk to FS 1st.

Thunal and epi are also in POE here.

At this time Belzy’s mindset was about dodging her elim, so I wouldn’t be surprised if all these names are town.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:19 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:16 am So let’s recap. Belzy thinks I’m mafia for “reasons” and I killed Kate, a friend of mine, who had me as top tier town, because……..?
Because i say SVS frames me for the Kate kill.

And i dont know you all that well. So dont use me being an outstander against me. I am sure on SVS, not you just yet, but rn i do think so.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:27 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:25 am when being teamed with kate’s son
Thxxxxxx

So @fingersplints DOEs NK Kate!!! Another lie

Belzy’s push looks good for Splints.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 6:25 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 5:32 am where i stand, i have reasons to think everyone but

falcon / epi / wilgy / radishes

are villas

and if i were to take a yolo guess, falcon / epi are villagers but it's not too strong
Based on long standing familiarity and a total lack of trying not to look like a blustering curmudgeon, I think Epi is town. He's not locktown, but I do think he's not bad. I kinda feel the same about Radishes; his pushback, kinda like yours, against me yesterday felt sincere. It almost felt like he thought the whole thing was kinda distasteful (which it was, tbh. But it happened, so I talked about it~ but it's not the way any baddie wants to get caught) more so than that he was trying to save Belzy.

I am very willing to discuss Wilgy, and Falcon, too, though. I would like to come to some kind of consensus by end of day. I think having 4 or 5 vanity wagons at eod each game is a part of why town never wins, tbh.

There's one thing I thought looked slightly good for Falcon:

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 12:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 4:49 pm I'm gone til Sunday folks

Your off to some festival or so? Enjoy.

So falcon will relatively miss d1? Hmpf, that is 3 ppl (also Kate and MR) who are not real d1 options.

It feels like Belzy wanted him to be a d1 option.

I'm going to bed.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:18 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:16 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:13 am @Thunal33 why am I town?
I think Belzy's argument with you pretty clearly spews you town for one. Like this:

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:45 am [reads list with Belzy on the bottom]
This all is still based on very little. Your very early with such detailed read list this time. This does not make you necessirily town. Mostly thin air imo.
really reads as an attempt to discredit you.
You knew I was town well before this. Care to comment?

Yeah, I literally just looked at this so it was the first thing that came to mind. You've also just acted like town Sean the whole game with your depth of reasons and the early fight with Belzy was towny for you in a vacuum.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:13 am @Thunal33 why am I town?

I think Belzy's argument with you pretty clearly spews you town for one. Like this:

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 22, 2023 10:45 am [reads list with Belzy on the bottom]
This all is still based on very little. Your very early with such detailed read list this time. This does not make you necessirily town. Mostly thin air imo.

really reads as an attempt to discredit you.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:39 am So now Belzy Ted Zenon all at 3 in the poll. I would lynch Ted over Belzy and Zenon.

Anyone have a poll screenshot from around this time?

I'm doing Belzy spew stuff rn and one thing I noticed so far is just how much Belzy complains about the people who aren't posting and talks about wanting the game to get going. It feels like she's genuinely fixated on that which imo suggests at least one low volume teammate.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:01 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 28, 2023 12:00 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:52 pm Hello? Anyone around?
I'm around!
Anyone who isn't a wolf?

Me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:52 pm Hello? Anyone around?

I'm around!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:37 pm I claim a thunderdome.

I am convinced Thunal is bad.

Vote Thunal.

I decline your thunderdome since I think you're town who can't get past suspecting me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:31 pm @Thunal33 I'm thinking about doing the same thing SVS did yesterday - more-or-less coop-t the thread. No question.

Well, don't. I'd like some relatively quiet and exploring different directions time.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:00 pm @Thunal33 can you TLDR your progression on Zenon?

I thought she was wolfy at first but her reaction to and posting after the push on her was towny. I became more sure she was town d2 after the Belzy shield and I still think she's town for it. There's too much genuine belief she's right for it to be wolf Zenon imo.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:23 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:19 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:13 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:40 pm [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine
I hope you're not seriously suspecting me.
This emotion... is completely faked.

Thunal as a person regularly deals with suspicion from me. I can provide evidence from essentially every game Thun and I have played together since she came back. This is just... not right. Period.

@Thunal33 do you disagree?
I think I should be clear town and I'm a bit exasperated that you're still suspecting me. Me and Belzy are definitely not w/w. My first reaction when you started quoting d1 posts from me was that you were reaction testing me so I was hoping it was a reaction test.
Why do you think you're clear town?
The "misclick" on my wagon and the fact Belzy's dynamic with me was imo clearly one where she was pocketing me and trying to convince me of things and not a teammate dynamic.
You unabashedly fell for the pocket? you were entranced?

No, I had an early townread on Belzy from how she treated her argument with you, specifically not wanting to fall into OMGUS. Near EoD I had some tinfoil on her for taking my side as hard as she was but I saw it as something to save looking into until d2.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:20 pm I do not believe Thunal is exasperated.

I don't like dealing with suspicion on me even if I don't show it itt. My best games are ones where I'm confirmed town or treated like it. Read my private channel from the Upick game if you want.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:19 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:13 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:40 pm [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine
I hope you're not seriously suspecting me.
This emotion... is completely faked.

Thunal as a person regularly deals with suspicion from me. I can provide evidence from essentially every game Thun and I have played together since she came back. This is just... not right. Period.

@Thunal33 do you disagree?
I think I should be clear town and I'm a bit exasperated that you're still suspecting me. Me and Belzy are definitely not w/w. My first reaction when you started quoting d1 posts from me was that you were reaction testing me so I was hoping it was a reaction test.
Why do you think you're clear town?

The "misclick" on my wagon and the fact Belzy's dynamic with me was imo clearly one where she was pocketing me and trying to convince me of things and not a teammate dynamic.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:13 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:09 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:40 pm [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine
I hope you're not seriously suspecting me.
This emotion... is completely faked.

Thunal as a person regularly deals with suspicion from me. I can provide evidence from essentially every game Thun and I have played together since she came back. This is just... not right. Period.

@Thunal33 do you disagree?

I think I should be clear town and I'm a bit exasperated that you're still suspecting me. Me and Belzy are definitely not w/w. My first reaction when you started quoting d1 posts from me was that you were reaction testing me so I was hoping it was a reaction test.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:08 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 11:05 pm Will do some analysis but off the top of my head I suspect Wilgy. It pinged me that Belzy took the effort to say I was wrong in calling her and Wilgy w/w. Like if she wasn't teamed with Wilgy, wouldn't she just not respond to me calling them w/w and let me wrongly think they were?
Quote posts please.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:51 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:15 pm A tinfoil I have is Belzy/Wilgy w/w. Belzy was doing a lot of talking about how she wanted to eliminate Wilgy after she switched back to robyn but wasn't really advocating for a CFD. These posts were after both her and myself switched to Robyn and they felt like she was putting on a show for the thread.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:51 pm

You give me allergies. If you survive day and night, and also post d2 like this, I will advocate your lynch.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:52 pm
For some reason it is hard to create a real wagon on Wilg.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:57 pm Just calling a CFD on you.

Will you act like this on d2 also?

Last game I did the same w/moto. Also then i was not very vocal w/my CFD. I just give it attention and a vote.

This is the one I was thinking of. I made other posts suspecting Belzy at the same time but she only tried to play off the one where I called her/Wilgy w/w.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 10:40 pm [VOTE: Thunal] aubergine

I hope you're not seriously suspecting me.

Will do some analysis but off the top of my head I suspect Wilgy. It pinged me that Belzy took the effort to say I was wrong in calling her and Wilgy w/w. Like if she wasn't teamed with Wilgy, wouldn't she just not respond to me calling them w/w and let me wrongly think they were?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:33 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu Jul 27, 2023 7:04 pm [VOTE: Mastah Rahdeesh ] aubergine

seems like the rational vote

really think the lunch must be in mr / wilgy / epi today, don’t see any reason to wander elsewhere
Do you really think my wolfy attempt to stop the Belzy chop was limited to 'it's probably t/t, actually maybe not, I dunno' ?

I think Belzy's teammates would have known Belzy was dying for most of the phase so they'd try to look good off it.

I won't be here for EoD. Eliminate Belzy, don't CFD anyone.

I went over MR's reaction to SVS/Belzy today and it bothers me that his initial reaction was kind of to handwave it away.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:39 am Has anyone called this town/town yet? Can I be the first?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 5:41 am I stopped reading things closely because it felt like the same talking points were being repeated.

Both SVS and Belzy seem stubbornly certain in their interpretation of events. Words and actions aside, that attitude seems town to me.

I'm not bothered by MR changing his position a lot after, but the initial reaction being to make a general read on their stubborn attitudes instead of looking at the details of what happened pings me.

If Belzy does flip town I think it's really easy for the mafia to sit back and call her and SVS TvT or just disengage from the conflict while the town push her. Ted and Master Radishes are people who could be doing that imo.

If Belzy is mafia I think one mafia could still be doing that but probably not both and imo maf was probably on Belzy at some point today. I think Wilgy and LC would fit the role of maf who wanted to be on Belzy at some point.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:35 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:27 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 2:24 pm Regarding LC... both votes on Robyn and me I don't like the reasons behind it all. Gives a bunch of townreads. Unless LC explains why those townreads, LC has not given me to townread LC.
That's my town game I mostly find towns and try to sort out through POE.

Scumreads aren't really my best suit but it happens.
I hope you will develop your reads if you're town.

It pings me for LC that Belzy was giving LC an in to make reads and look townier, when she definitely did not extend the same invite to Sean who also pushed her early.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:47 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:26 pm I don't actually think SVS lied that Belzy sniped me, but I want to make sure. Did anyone else see Belzy vote me in the poll?
I always post my vote in thread to see. One time when I wanted to vote Robyn I misclicked on your wagon, but corrected it within 5 seconds. So if someone saw my misclick... sniped you? Eod1 my vote was parked on Robyn, so i def did not snipe you.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:49 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:47 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:26 pm I don't actually think SVS lied that Belzy sniped me, but I want to make sure. Did anyone else see Belzy vote me in the poll?
I always post my vote in thread to see. One time when I wanted to vote Robyn I misclicked on your wagon, but corrected it within 5 seconds. So if someone saw my misclick... sniped you? Eod1 my vote was parked on Robyn, so i def did not snipe you.
Or it was Ted instead of Robyn..so even earlier on d1

I think Belzy may have actually misclicked at one point. I don't think she'd tell two different stories if it were a complete lie, I think she'd try hard to stick with one.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:02 am Anyone besides SVS who saw me snipe voting once???

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:04 am There is no way town is this insincere on making a case and locking it based on lies. Iso me and you will see i post my votes changes..

As I mentioned earlier if I was suspected for a misclick I wouldn't accuse SVS of lying, I'd think we had different views of it. This certainty on SVS feels like Belzy's cornered, and the reasons she comes up with feel made up on the spot. She concluded she had to push SVS first, then found whatever reasons she could come up with later.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 3:50 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 5:04 pm @Zenon thanks for the explanation, I must have missed it when I read your posts.

Also agree re Robyn walking away before the situation plays out being NAI.

I don’t see her as towny though, so there’s that.
Thanks Zenon for explaining. So SVS actually looks good now over that. So I give SVS that.

I don't really believe out of all the things in SVS's ISO, it's thanking Zenon for explaining that is a + point for SVS and that's the only one. It feels like she's trying not to be perceived as getting into a thunderdome at this point and imo still thinks she has a chance of not being caught.

Then only later she went into the repeatedly pinging SVS and doubling down that SVS is scum.

I'll assume wolf Belzy for this paragraph. I don't think Belzy believed she was caught at first, and I think it would be reasonable for Belzy's teammates to not believe it either. She was still concerned with keeping up images and while she was still suspecting SVS, she was also suspecting Splints and had the thought to give SVS a town point. Only when it became apparent Belzy wasn't getting out of it, she got desperate and accused SVS of withholding info and repeatedly pinged her.

Who isn't teamed with Belzy on this? I don't think Ted is. I think he sees the writing on the wall of Belzy dying way before now and I don't think he chooses to continue to vote Wilgy while suspecting Belzy only to pivot much later than Belzy gave up. I had the idea of an LC/Belzy team earlier but I don't think LC's reaction of seeing his teammate get tunneled is to bus as soon as possible since imo Belzy didn't believe she was completely caught.

I need to go over MR and I see him as a potential Belzy teammate with this. Dismissing a tunnel on a teammate as T/T when that teammate wasn't 100% caught is a good way to try to get people off her.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:10 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 10:21 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:44 am waganz don’t feel great, im only voting belzy for self press

and even though they have some weird posts, i haven’t decided if they’re wolfy or just a villager that doesn’t care

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Jul 23, 2023 4:54 pm i dont mind dying (i probably will) as long as you lunch kate right after
This is still living in my mind. Why vote Belzy for self pres that early in the day especially when Ted doesn't seem to mind dying later?
i can't change my mind in 12 hrs?

You can, but I'm wondering why you thought it was necessary to vote specifically Belzy for self pres that early in the day.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:39 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 4:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:13 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 2:07 pm @Seanzie definitely once, possibly twice. I didn’t notice and movement any other time. I don’t know for 100% sure. I wasn’t refreshing like clockwork, I know I saw it once after the initial time, but I won’t swear it never happened again.

I saw what I saw and her reaction cemented it for me.
Just to be sure I understand though, when you say "definitely once", do you mean that

1.) you definitely saw it for one 2-3 minute period between refreshes,

or did you have a situation where you:

2.) saw it, knowing you hadn't refreshed, hadn't clicked to see more posts, anything, for at least 2-3 minutes, then refreshed and it was still there?
I'm specifically asking because while Belzy's story seems weird, she does give of kind of an indignant vibe about it. It is possible that is bravado (and that is what I'm leaning towards), but I'd like to rule out the possiblity that your two stories are compatable. The poll is a little funny in how it resets (and I just did a few tests to check my understanding myself), so I want to make sure I know exactly what you're claiming to see to check if it is truly incompatible with Belzy's claim, or compatible, but coming from a misunderstanding about the poll.
I already townread Sean but this confirms it for me. Town are way more likely to think of things like testing how the poll resets because they're actually solving instead of faking it.
What are these tests and how do you preform them?

I don't know. I just think the idea of testing the poll is towny.

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