The Syndicate

That's basically my entire legacy and I gave my full reasoning for those reads yesterday so you can go check that if you want
I don't particularly feel like defending myself especially since the case against me rests primarily on the actions of my previous slot holder which I can't defend so
Listen to me or kill me and hopefully you figure it out I guess

Hm okay
In that case I'm maintaining what I said earlier, kill Nanook kill Wilgy GG, if we lose then still GG because the last wolf played p well, if it's Dizzy then I blame you for executing lucy yesterday because we would've had room for executing Dizzy otherwise

So Nanook, I'm going to assume I die today for a moment
I flip town
You go to f4
You sleep
If Wilgy is in f3, are you just snapvoting the other person?

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:49 am Way I see it I should probably stick to early reads and go the Wilgy route, sometimes I get that Dizzy moment of casually nailing a few off entrance
Going to unvote, maybe take it a bit slower this day, there should be enough info to figure it out

I'm asking if NANOOK is still shielding Wilgy for a reason

Man had I known you were going to kill one of my villagers and then me I would've asked you to kill me yesterday instead so you'd maybe listen to my legacy but instead we're in f6 and there's a real chance you kill me now and don't listen to me in f3
Also the f3 composition is worse now no matter how I look at it

In that case it's not really worth listening to
Are you still shielding Wilgy?

By "you" I mean the village at large
Also if you're going to throw buzzwords like "tmi" and "deflection" then how about giving some actual examples

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:12 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Aug 17, 2022 9:08 am Oh no, I read Vul's ISO and it's townie. His treatment of me feels very townie

It isn't tho, its just deflection and tmi with a bit of ate sprinkled throughout

No you just evidently aren't listening to me and you just killed someone I'd cleared the very same day so I'm allowed to be a little frustrated

I'm personally still leaning Wilgy over Dizzy to a pretty significant extent if I assume Nanook is town but I'm not sure how much this'll matter to you

Kill Nanook and then weigh Nanook's shield on Wilgy vs Dizzy's play in f3 because I don't think there's a world where these two aren't both alive in f3
Assuming Nanook isn't just mafia and his elim doesn't end the game right there

Whoever of Seanzie/Vivax will be in f3 isn't mafia and if you kill them instead I will be extremely disappointed in you

I usually don't like accusing town of throwing because it's toxic and I'm still not accusing you of throwing but I do think that EoD and this SoD are extremely wolfsided decisions
Admittedly my POV is biased because I know I'm town but yes

Dizzy could be a wolf playing well in which case kudos to Dizzy and they frankly deserve the win
There was an option to kill them in f3 after Nanook/Wilgy but that option went away when you voted out lucy yesterday against my wishes so I'm not going to feel at fault for this

Dizzy/Nanook contains at least one wolfsiding villager unfortunately going by how yesterday's EoD and today's SoD went

If you do vote me out, I'm just going to join Achromatic in screaming for Nanook's head after I flip and if the wolf is Wilgy then I will equally blame Nanook for shielding a wolf and the rest of the village for deciding to vote out my townread and then me instead of killing the tiny grouping I gave you

And before you go "why is Vulgard alive if he's correct about Nanook/Wilgy having the last mafia"
I'm pretty clearly misyeetable as demonstrated here by you immediately going "vote Vulgard" at this SoD even though you just killed a villager that I'd cleared
The last wolf needs viable misyeets
Killing me takes me out of the PoE

Look at the last few kills, they were Sabi into Rondo into Mac which were slots that we'd never kill because those were two obvious villagers and the PR

I laid out my thought process quite clearly yesterday and you pivoted to lucy for no reason, and now you want to kill me
I don't understand what's so difficult about just listening to me and voting out Nanook and then Wilgy and probably winning the game

Vulgard: "kill Nook, Wilgy, Dizzy in f3, win the game"
Town: kills lucy instead, lucy flips town

Town on the next day: kill Vulgard

If you want to lose that badly then I suppose you can kill me and I'll even selfvote

I'm quite convinced this is game-winning

Mac - obvious villager
Seanzie - obvious villager, Porscha spew looks good for him as well
Dizzy - looks fairly good off treatment of Porscha/Tommy and posting in relation to Porscha and Achromatic on day 2 felt very organic, also believable doc read on Nanook given the reasoning presented

Vivax - not necessarily obvious villager but looks very good from Porscha and posting looks solid overall
lucy - treatment of Tommy, posts about Tommy and Porscha early into day 1 that look unaligned to me, particularly the interaction with Achro about Tommy

Wilgy - not much going for him other than the Nanook shield and the fact he didn't even try to bus really, gut tells me he's a villager though but I can't reasonably place him higher at the moment

Nanook - my preferred vote for today, nothing clears him, votes on Tommy and Porscha look like bus votes, was one of the only people townreading Axe day 2 giving him a reason to kill Axe night 2

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:53 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:57 am tbh at the time it seemed like a panicked reaction at missing the doc and also showed them as the primary candidate likely to not have shot Rondo due to simply not believing him or knowing

I thought it lined up well with their "nanook is town, just trust me" moments the day before

Usually that comes when I find something micro to TR dizzy on and he realizes it and locks me town in turn, the fact he did it without me doing my bit made me kinda ??? but doing it for a doc read there makes a lot of sense imo?

Idk I guess ill reread it later if I have to

was unaware of these thots

@Dyslexicon you can go along way to surviving here by explaining where you think nook softed doc

I already did, but his first two posts at the beginning of D2:

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:15 pm Nice

Mac lock town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:12 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:09 pm Nanook trying would he neat too

I did my job

Particularly that second one. I was wrong, but I thought Nook was doc after this

I find this strongly believable so I don't even think it's Dizzy anymore

Or at least you had them as off the table yesterday

Hey Dizzy why are Wilgy and Nook off the table when based on my solving today these are the only two possible wolves and one is shielding the other making the vote very clear

I'm reading Dizzy's posting about Achro and Porscha later into day 2 and I struggle to see this as coming from a wolf
The turnarounds feel very organic

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 3:18 pm [VOTE: Achro] aubergine

This is how I see this going. Achro will write words and not get chopped today, as I will have to go to bed at some point and not be here to not be able to get him chopped anyway. Instead Porscha is chopped, flips v, I argue with Achro all of next day about me lining up mischops and whatever else, I'm eventually chopped, and then I'll get spoiled in the graveyard and have feelings about the game.

This is a really good post if written by a wolf

I've also noticed that there was no significant resistance to either Tommy or Porscha and I didn't find anybody really defending them in their ISOs other than the mild thing from Dizzy I posted above so yeah

It's worth noting that neither Tommy nor Porscha had even a speck of thread influence so whoever is the third wolf benefits a lot from bussing them
There's no powerwolfing to be done when these are your partners (no offense)

Nanook voting Tommy, refusing to elaborate and then Tommy flipping mafia is kinda yikes
Probably sounds nonsensical to wolfread someone for voting a wolf but doing it like this is prime bus/distancing material
Does the same thing to Porscha on day 2

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:53 pm Sabi/sean/mac/axe all town

Wilgy still leaning town but its not the godread

Didn't see many people townreading axe on day 2 so far so Nanook doing so gives him a reason to make that kill as mafia

These posts are interesting because they actually aren't super early into day 1 so Rondo calling them out as a bus might actually have some merit, pivoting immediately to the other wolf partner is pretty clever

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:15 am [VOTE: Tommy] aubergine

Thread flow or he's frozen or whatever

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:18 am Actually I probably shouldn't vote someone I haven't played with rn

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Because lack of impression or something

The phrasing of this post also doesn't look that great for Dizzy because it gives both suspects an out (note the underlined)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:51 pm I mostly prefer Tommy or Porscha as a chop

I don't really think Porscha calling Sean's read on Mac wrong is a great case against her. I think town easily say stuff like that, and I think she mentioned something about assuming Mac town anyway. I mean, if she's mafia, it probably is TMI, but I don't think it's impossible that she can say that as town. But her posts has been kind of weak and wishy-washy overall. I don't get any will to solve. The problem with Porscha is that if she's town, she is likely to become more obvious later on

Tommy is both PoE and just, he's here, but he's not contributing anything. And what he does post doesn't really give me a new town feel. It doesn't really give me anything tbh. The problem with Tommy is that if he flips and flips town, we're not really getting anywhere. But I think there's also a very decent chance he's just mafia here

In any case, would mostly like to hear more from both Tommy and Porscha

On the other hand, I feel like wolf!Dizzy would just commit here; wolf Dizzy KNOWS they're talking about two partners and they're deciding to bus anyway so might as well do that without talking about outs and extending olive branches

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:01 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:59 pm Achromatic isn't mafia. Nor is Dyslexicon.

But why. His words don’t impress me. I think he tried to distract from Tommy D1

Ah yes lets tie ourselves firmly to the sinking brick. That sounds like the decision making of a skilled mafioso.

I actually think he would. But it depends on Porscha. If Porscha w, Achro v

Did Dizzy vote Achro on day 3?

I'd like to hear an explanation why people think Nanook doesn't kill Axe n2 because I'm reading his ISO rn and I don't see it

I'm at Wilgy/Nanook/Dizzy and it's a matter of ordering them so we end the game as fast as possible and I don't feel bad about killing another town which I always do

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:36 am funny haha or funny lol?

Both

I don't think I can look past these lucy interactions at the moment

I don't mind being listened to (in fact it makes me happy) it's just funny that I'm in this position given my status as a replacement

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:32 am let's just do what vulgard says to do

Funny to hear you say that when I replaced in on day 3 without having read a single post and I'm still only familiar with a couple of ISOs + like 30-something pages of the game, I didn't expect to be put in this position

The progression from "they aren't talking so I can't protect them" "oh so they're mafia for it" "no it's NAI but it's suspicious because it's making me unable to read them and they could be doing this to fool me, we're about the same skill level" is extremely town AI imo

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:21 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:18 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:17 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:14 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:13 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:10 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:08 pm

yes, but they aren’t playing their wolf or town game

Perfect. Then we can deduce by Lucy's testimony that Tommy is not in their wolf meta and their absence is firmly NAI and can we dispell the notion he is frozen. So lets be patient with him, it costs us little and undue pressure causes town members to crack as well.

not talking is indeed NAI, but i’m extremely wary of them not talking

If it is NAI why be wary? Why do you have ptsd from them?

it’s directly making me unable to read them, and they’re the same strength as me who has fooled me a bunch of times. played with them for 2 years straight in all my games

Seems they are a stronger player than you then. Have you ever faced them as wolf when they are town? If so how did that go.

i’ve played 40+ games with them easily, every combination and multiple of those, sometimes good and sometimes bad. it’s an ongoing debate between who’s better

This interaction also exists

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:15 pm do u have any reads @Porscha

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:20 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:19 pm yeah I guess I TL mac and wilgy right now
kuti seems on par from the MU game I played with her
I'm not a big day 1 player, I find it's really only useful later in the game to retrospectively see how people interacted

we must be similar

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:28 pm talk more, ur being scumread (SR) for not talking enough @Tommy

I find this string of posts (yes, this is a string of posts) very difficult to envision from a mafia perspective when it's as early into the game as it was at the time

Okay so we're in agreement then

Vivax/Mac/Seanzie just town
Dizzy/Wilgy/lucy/Nanook

If you think Dizzy doesn't double bus just like that, remove Dizzy
Wilgy you can remove for Nanook shield, never kill this before Nanook
Lucy/Nanook
Lucy has interactions with Tommy in her favor, Nanook doesn't
Reading their ISOs again

The other reason I think Seanzie is town is how he treated Mac day 1
Mac what do you think about it in hindsight
Specifically the part where he pushed you, claimed he had a good read on you, and you two argued about that for a bit

Vivax/Porscha interactions do look pretty good for Vivax

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 2:52 am yeah idk i'm put off by the mac seanzie thing and then rondo's vote with seanzie dazed me and I feel like something is not right here

do kinda feel like seanzie is tunneling a bit, but sean has been known to do some weird shit early and then expects a town to call him out for it and pass his test (if he's town)

if he doesn't try that technique then he's maf (which usually prompts him to have a much more agreeable play style that doesnt cause a wave too early)

so maybe this is town sean? but the push on mac and tunnel on kuti is weirding me out

This post is my main reason for clearing Seanzie because it just looks like something a wolf doesn't write about a partner, the hedging on his alignment feels like evaluating whether he's a viable push or not

Maybe I should reconsider Seanzie

I would go Nanook -> Wilgy -> Dizzy and take the L if wrong
Yes this does mean I want to kill Wilgy even if Nanook flips town which implies I'm going to ignore his shield
But like I said I have actual reasons to think other people are town which are stronger than the reasons I have for Wilgy so from my POV the shield isn't very important

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:55 pm Honestly anyone having their online status turned on is >rand mech cleared town LOL

Villagery

Re: lucy there is that one post and later segment that would be quite bold from a wolf and that's the point when lucy pings Tommy and has a whole interaction about Tommy not playing the game

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 11:46 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:42 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:19 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:17 pm OK no one answers me

Whats your question

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:58 pm I'm still not home yet but yea it being a mod kill doesn't give us that much info if he was bussed or not.

Do we just treat this as a d1

Ah

Id say kinda half and half, most people im treating it as a day one pretty much given the unexpected end time, but im still treating axe and mac as v likely town

Thoughts on Vivax because he's my strong tr in context of Tommy

Do you have specific posts? Tommy had very few posts and I dont remember him interacting with Vivax in a clearing way

It was on Vivax side. He kept calling Tommy Matt and correcting himself. I think it's something w/w wouldn't do

This looks pretty good to me

I do still think it's Nanook by the way

Dizzy is someone I would only consider in f3 because their posts about flipped wolves look very good for them
Seanzie and Mac are blatant villagers
Lucy I think is playing this like a villager would be
Wilgy is the other option but since he's getting shielded by Nanook I'd rather go Nanook first if anything and I did have that one townping from him early into day 1
Vivax is a consideration but I'm unsure, I really have to read his day 2 to figure out if I want to go there

So why is Nanook town again?

Well I did want to announce self-pressing because if I strongly believe somebody is town being wrongly wagoned I'm not going to self-pres on them

I'm going to self-pres ftr