The Syndicate

I mean, the day is over now anyways

inb4 the lock

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:59 pm
If I'm understanding a sleep vote correctly, wouldn't they be exactly the same? Why would it feel worse?

You're assigning a lot of intent to my actions that aren't actually accurate.

well, since I haven't assigned any intent, I'm not so sure about that. who knows what goes on in the head of a marmot? :P If I have to speculate on intent, though...

I guess to me a sleep vote is an explicit statement that you think killing no one is the best choice, but a vote for LC after reading his dayvig and his flip can come across like you're throwing your vote

idk what The Syndicate does but vote assessments are common in my experience, so knowing where you put your vote and why can be important

without context or explanation, a vote for LC can be later assessed as "marmot is just doing their own thing and not involving themselves in the game state," especially if coupled with joke-y meme-y retorts to random posts

and that will inevitably look scummier than someone with bad reads, or someone who's just coasting, or someone who looks a little mechanically iffy, since someone not involving themselves in the game is ultimately someone who is anti-town

I'm not saying that's what you're doing, more so just saying that my personal expectations are that people will at least have started doing some real activity at the precipice of EOD

oh TSP switched

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:59 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:08 pm I don't like Marmot committing to the meme four hours before EOD

Why are you more concerned about my timing then my actions though??

I come from a community where banter and random behaviour is the norm for D1, so the actions themselves don't really ping me beyond there being no real actions mixed in with them

the timing is of note because we're getting info and have a confirmed kill already, so this is about the time when people would be switching to a more serious approach rather than recommitting to the joke phase

your vote has the power to change the landscape, same with TSP's

just leaving it parked on LC, to me, feels worse than doing a sleep vote

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:23 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 12:08 pm I don't like Marmot committing to the meme four hours before EOD

What? And also, why?

ideally people become more serious as time passes instead of less

voting for LC is a vote throw

and I like banter, but Marmot has low activity and isn't contributing beyond the jokes

I'm not being especially solvy myself so glass houses apply here

I don't like Marmot committing to the meme four hours before EOD

I can pinky swear that I'm town

a pinky swear is sacred

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:54 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:25 am (Yes I'm hardclaiming the shot if it wasn't clear)

yet again Nutella is GOAT

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:39 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:38 am i guess i'm reading lc's iso now.

He spewed everyone town except Syn and Vulgard.

How does that work? I don't remember LC even reading me. Is that why?

nvm out of everyone he defended me the most

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:25 am (Yes I'm hardclaiming the shot if it wasn't clear)

yet again Nutella is GOAT

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:39 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Oct 25, 2020 1:38 am i guess i'm reading lc's iso now.

He spewed everyone town except Syn and Vulgard.

How does that work? I don't remember LC even reading me. Is that why?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 11:45 pm People not being weird:
nope everyone's being weird

ur weird

marmot isn't even an easy target

their only vote is a self-vote

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:50 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 10:33 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 9:12 pm Oh I super misread that rule then

I thought it meant there were no vanilla villagers. Okay, then Marmot's fine.

If Syn is bad, Marmot is town.

Are you referring to the scum trick of putting out a suspicion and then turning around on it to pocket a villager?

No. "Okay, then Marmot's fine" is way too strong of a pivot off of the original point. It looks like a wolf making a phony push on a perceived easy target and then doing a 180 when there's resistance.

am I supposed to tunnel in spite of evidence proving me wrong?

Oh I super misread that rule then

I thought it meant there were no vanilla villagers. Okay, then Marmot's fine.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:55 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:51 pm Marmot has been... unimpressive. also claimed "basic townie" when there is no such thing in this game, but could have meant basic townie as in, unassuming nothing-to-see-here townie and not a vanilla claim

:o Good point. Does that count as angleshooting?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:47 amThere is no generic VT role PM. All role PMs are customized, do not angleshoot them.

Iiiiii don't think so? Rules say no claim restriction beyond not copying the PM verbatim.

If it does... uh... let's pretend I didn't?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:38 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 8:31 pm why do y'all got these cool powers which synergize with each other

I got robbed

as a side note, I really have nothing to say about this still-ongoing thing between nutella, LC, and TSP

can we like

talk about something else

unless it's about me. then the current conversation is good and should continue

How are you approaching this game? Who, besides Poison, is a wolf?

The OMGUS in me wants to say Vulgard

I wasn't involved in the past games of this sort (someone mentioned earlier that there was another game with an out-of-thread crew) so I am making a weak assumption that there's at least one wolf trapped with the out-of-threaders.

The rules say there is no 3P, so it can't be that they're separate from town/wolf

That all said... Most people haven't been particularly scummy tbh. That's easy on D1 of course but usually there's slanking or low effort in at least two or three players, in my experience, and right now it seems like everyone's been relatively okay on the activity front and on the "not blatantly scumslipping" front, except for Vulgard's weak casing and Poison's "are they open wolfing or is this genius-tier town play"

Marmot has been... unimpressive. also claimed "basic townie" when there is no such thing in this game, but could have meant basic townie as in, unassuming nothing-to-see-here townie and not a vanilla claim

also Poison did nothing really to assuage my worries of open wolfing

and then Nutella quoted their last game as wolf, where they did the exact same thing

so idk [VOTE: Poison] aubergine

why do y'all got these cool powers which synergize with each other

I got robbed

as a side note, I really have nothing to say about this still-ongoing thing between nutella, LC, and TSP

can we like

talk about something else

unless it's about me. then the current conversation is good and should continue

Enrique wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:17 pmpoison bad

enrique....... good

oh, that's spicy

I'm getting the best vibes from TSP, Sloonei, Nutella, and LC, but that might be flood bias; they're exceptionally active and asking questions, so I might just be town-reading activity instead of substance.

An argument that Alison is wolf because of the Poison interaction is a stretch. Alison wouldn't be caught dead doing something as weak as that. I don't have as much experience with her as you guys but what I've seen leads me to believe a tactic like that would be extremely "beneath" her.

I can't tell if Poison is open wolfing or just yolking around

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:36 am But not doing anything wrong is a scum tell and I’m not even exactly joking

idk how to respond to this

I'll try to be wolfier

TSP is town for flooding

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:02 pm

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:00 pm One of Alison - Vulgard is scum probably, do not like the syn votes on page 3.

Why are Alison and Vulgard not the same alignment?

I don't think two wolves would try and tag-team a case on D1, and have such a wide divide on the logic behind it too. Alison's case has "makes sense" value behind it, while Vulgard's simply fell apart at the slightest breeze. If they wanted to establish a mis-elim as partners, Vulgard would have surely come up with something better than what he did.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:15 pm
Syn: dried out day old tim hortons donut

why you do me dirty like that

maybe Nutella not so GOAT

Sloonei's been fine. He made his point re: Vulgard. Unvoting early D1 isn't sus to at all. There's a written record of his read. It'd be suspicious if his voting record ends up not matching his reads, but that's days from now.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:57 pm
What about Vulgard? There was a back and forth earlier about Vulgard being possibly mafia, and he's given some game-related content.

His pushes were weak and ill-thought out, but I don't know that I'd commit to "he's wolf." I guess he's the best choice this very moment, as far as OMGUS goes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:34 pmAma

Are you a woof?

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:23 pm I also seem to recall Alison doing something similar. What stopped you from calling her comment "opportunistic hogwash?"

Alison didn't like the substance of my self-assessment. That's gucci. Your position was "Is talking about himself" when the reason I was talking about myself was because I was directly asked. It's either a misrepresentation or an empty read, and neither are impressive.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:25 pm (Despite the Lisa avatar, I guess I see "Syn" as a masculine name. Correct pronouns?)

You're the first to assume male. Most assume I'm a girl. But you're right.

I don't actually care, though, if people use other pronouns for me.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:09 pm [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.

what kind of opportunistic hogwash is this

Of course my posts are going to talk about me when I was responding to someone specifically asking me about my play style. Bro what

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:58 pm [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I want to push here right now. His post bothered me and he responded to it with a beetlejuice.

Syn do you have any opinion at all on the way the game has opened/the stuff that has happened so far?

What does "a beetlejuice" mean? I saw the movie once like a decade ago.

We're 7 hours in to D1, so not really. Sloonei and LC have Good Vibes.

I'm curious about the four who can't be in the thread, and if any of them are wolves or guaranteed town. Being able to establish an immediate towncore would be rad. But I doubt Nanook would make it that easy for us.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:24 pm Syn's description of themselves as "agitating" is bothering me and I can't put my finger on why. I just think it's a little weird for someone to describe themselves/their mafia play that way. I also can't explain why that's mafia indicative though. (My best theory is that it's setting up an excuse for awkwardness/discomfort by implying that his posts always rub people the wrong way? But I don't really believe that even as I write it and it feels like a rationalization of a gut read more than anything.)

I'm nothing if not self-aware. This is my first off-site/other-community game, but on CFC I've gotten into pretty frequent conflicts due to my play. I tend to only get cleared because someone mechanically confirmed it, not because of personality.

I don't really have an opinion on awkwardness. I'm just cognizant of my play style and how it might conflict. In the one game I played with Nutella I only lived because she cop-cleared me.

I'm not especially aggro or anything like that. I just don't really play like expected, and my response when people tell me to do certain things is usually "no," and that gets wolf-read easily.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:45 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:18 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:57 am @Vulgard
@Syn

We have not played together before. What can you tell me about yourselves as players? What sort of things dl you like to do, particularly on Day 1? What do you look for? What can we do to help you settle in and play your game?

I'm agitating to play with, I think. I lean towards banter D1 and poking holes in reads/theories, but it's not often that I make a case myself unless it's mechanical. I don't like theory meta and only opt for player meta when it's a consistent trend (e.g. I'll say something is in someone's wolf meta if it's something I've seen them do every single time they rand wolf).

With D1s, I'm usually outspoken in that it's tough to give a genuine read, barring a screw-up from a wolf or exceptionally anti-town play. I generally veer towards "D1 is a gut shot at best." But D1 behaviour can become relevant later too.

I never do walls. And I've only done an ISO once in 14 games. The closest I get to an ISO is remembering something someone said and then trying to go find it.

What do you mean by “theory meta”?

Stuff like certain roles being inherently town or wolf. I also once had someone call me a wolf because I used the word "honestly."

I mean, I was a wolf, but, y'know.

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:28 pm Syn, how many games have you played before?

Not including ongoing games, 14.

5/5 town, 1/1 wolf.

Wait, that comes to 12.

Okay, 12 games.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:57 am @Vulgard
@Syn

We have not played together before. What can you tell me about yourselves as players? What sort of things dl you like to do, particularly on Day 1? What do you look for? What can we do to help you settle in and play your game?

I'm agitating to play with, I think. I lean towards banter D1 and poking holes in reads/theories, but it's not often that I make a case myself unless it's mechanical. I don't like theory meta and only opt for player meta when it's a consistent trend (e.g. I'll say something is in someone's wolf meta if it's something I've seen them do every single time they rand wolf).

With D1s, I'm usually outspoken in that it's tough to give a genuine read, barring a screw-up from a wolf or exceptionally anti-town play. I generally veer towards "D1 is a gut shot at best." But D1 behaviour can become relevant later too.

I never do walls. And I've only done an ISO once in 14 games. The closest I get to an ISO is remembering something someone said and then trying to go find it.

Franklym it is simply unacceptable to use sweet innocent dunia as a kill example in the rules.