The Syndicate

gg i was lost wolf

hammered uwu

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:54 pm I'm 100% serious that if lucy or syn does not move off me, my final guess is that they are the scum team.

lol

lmao even

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:54 pm Oh god I'm actually really mad about how this day went. Town just could not be bothered.

I might only play setups that have discord servers so that I can yell into my channel as a personal void because this is pretty frustrating.

just yell at marmort, it's what I did

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:52 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:51 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:50 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:49 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:47 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:46 pm @ literally everyone:

How is it scummy of me to tag the person that I am voting for, who would then have a vested interest in voting for me, even for just self-preservation reasons?

Like why would I do that? Why did I tag Sheep?

Only thing I can think of is if we're paired but like. Then why would I have stuck on Sheep instead of continuing to float around.

It's not like he's gonna exit the POE with my flip, regardless of my alignment.

Although now I'm realizing that maybe it was anti-town to tag Sheep because I'm town and me dying is worse than Sheep dying. But like, then if I flip mafia, it was a good play? But since I'm town it's a bad play?

@Syn help me I'm lost again.

sure thing buddy

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

You weren't already voting me?

But this post:

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:29 pm this is lucy in peak form

This post said you were voting me like an hour ago.

you literally posted a screencap of the vote on this very same page

can you be quiet I'm leaving a legacy where I do a complete 180 and scumread you and lucy as paired because of how you both handled this EOD

is this loljigglypuffing

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:51 pm pyxxy not hammered

insert lucy-style innuendo here

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:50 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:49 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:47 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:46 pm @ literally everyone:

How is it scummy of me to tag the person that I am voting for, who would then have a vested interest in voting for me, even for just self-preservation reasons?

Like why would I do that? Why did I tag Sheep?

Only thing I can think of is if we're paired but like. Then why would I have stuck on Sheep instead of continuing to float around.

It's not like he's gonna exit the POE with my flip, regardless of my alignment.

Although now I'm realizing that maybe it was anti-town to tag Sheep because I'm town and me dying is worse than Sheep dying. But like, then if I flip mafia, it was a good play? But since I'm town it's a bad play?

@Syn help me I'm lost again.

sure thing buddy

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

You weren't already voting me?

But this post:

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:29 pm this is lucy in peak form

This post said you were voting me like an hour ago.

you literally posted a screencap of the vote on this very same page

Sheep wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:49 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:45 pm well well well, look who I just herded in

wdym
am i supposed to get emails from pings on here
because i don't
I was just like "Wow i'm back home from school I should go check on my friends in the mafia the syndicate game notorious hedgeog 14 player mafiag ame wow! game thread [day 4] hosted by katze, marmort, and sabi"

marmort

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:47 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:46 pm @ literally everyone:

How is it scummy of me to tag the person that I am voting for, who would then have a vested interest in voting for me, even for just self-preservation reasons?

Like why would I do that? Why did I tag Sheep?

Only thing I can think of is if we're paired but like. Then why would I have stuck on Sheep instead of continuing to float around.

It's not like he's gonna exit the POE with my flip, regardless of my alignment.

Although now I'm realizing that maybe it was anti-town to tag Sheep because I'm town and me dying is worse than Sheep dying. But like, then if I flip mafia, it was a good play? But since I'm town it's a bad play?

@Syn help me I'm lost again.

sure thing buddy

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:03 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:57 pm all your reads are scummy and your analysis picks up significantly towards seanzie after he's outed

the weird fucking thing is your seanzie vote where you vote him because of your own reads and analysis not him being mechanically scum, like jeez

"you vote him because of your own reads"
And I stand by this until the day I fucking die. doc!Neon made sense but it was D3 after Seanzie got some pressure + re-reading his D2 posts that convinced me he was town.

I didn't switch to Falcon. I didn't switch to Syn. I stayed the fuck on Seanzie while you sat on Unvote. Sorry that you're jealous of my sick reads

But actually. This is frustrating. I don't understand how you spend all of today without WIM and then I'm your target instead of someone in the general shared POE of like Sheep/tutuu.

You even liked Syn's comment on Sheeps' posts being gross, you talked to Cape about how you would vote Sheep, yet here you are tunneled on me.

lol

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:51 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:50 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:54 am ohhhhhhhhh a minor breakthrough for myself

syn/seanzie not w/w

this is just obvious and unnecessary, there's no way a town posts this right as the clearing logic for syn?

Why talk to Syn but not tag them?

It's been 30 minutes since Syn last posted.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:53 pm hmmm

Sheep could legitimately miss EOD, I wouldn't put that past them

that means if Syn moves from Unvote to me, after being convinced my lucy's case, I die

that would suck

this is lucy in peak form

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:18 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:16 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:14 pm

reads list

go

dance for me

Pyxxy scum, the rest are town

there are three wolves homie

let's get you back to your room, grandpa

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:14 pm

reads list

go

dance for me

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:14 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:07 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:06 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:02 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:00 pm There's no reason for scum to have two on the Bereft wagon.

(that last sentence is the logical inverse of a perspective slip)

explain

My understanding of a perspective slip is when a town/scum writes something that would never occur to the other half.

Me writing that sentence knowing that everyone will read that sentence and possibly call me townie or scummy for writing that sentence would be towny for other people, but not for me, which makes me writing that sentence towny.

Lemme know if you need to hit the bong before reading that

explain why two scum wouldn't be on a d1 wagon

In my opinion it's because of how the EOD D1 shook out. Remember Sean and Wilgy moving around? (lmao Sean's ISO is broken for me rn idk why but I swear he moved)

Why do you think that two scum would be happy to be on the same wagon D1 when all three wagons are town wagons? (since I'm town)

Why not spread around who looks bad depending on who flips in the future? Especially since scum didn't plan to flip Neon D2/N2, so the scum (I think it's 1, you can say 2, that's fine) on there is still mostly hidden, which points to Sheep/falcon.

weird read but thanks for the answer i guess

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:11 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:54 pm i think i'm somewhat easy to find as town but i think cape has been obv town entire game, i am however curious because it's accurate cape hasn't been pushed yet however i still tr him and i chalk that up to the t/t violence of me/rondo/syn

sometimes i dont get pushed in games

on the syndicate i do

sometimes i just dont

i too sometimes get pushed and sometimes don't

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:10 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:43 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:11 am also lucy if you could do the days until KILO math again that would be appreciated

tagging, not tagging, nothing I do can summon lucy :/

5v2 <===== we are here
if we miskill
3v2

my townreads are Syn and tutuu

I want to townread falcon because he's being scummy but he's pushing it today into very scummy with his completely afk behavior which would make him scum by his own logic

Syn is for multiple reasons e.g. pushing Seanzie yesterday, the Sheep push today, being part of the (self-described) attempt for Syn/lucy thunderdome

re-reading tutuu gave me a townread on them from Seanzie interactions, but inciting the Wilgy wagon is a big scary warning sign and Jaiden hasn't helped clarify the slot at all (not a critique subbing is hard and underappreciated)

Spoiler: show

weird w/w or not w/w pairs that I've collected in my notes since D1

I don't know if they mean anything but I want to try refining them tomorrow

D1:
lucy cape not w/w
tutuu lucy not w/w?
lucy/tutuu w/w for heavy tutuu defense
rondo/tutuu not w/w, too much of the same role in the thread? [ed note: I meant like, behavior or what their job on a scum team would be]
cape/lucy not w/w because why would cape post about lucy again when no pressure on cape?

D2:
nothing bc it got hammered and I didn't post that much

D3:
ah um looks like I didn't make any w/w reads

D4:
let's pretend like I never make this spoiler and just ignore this part of the post, I really thought I had something here and I'm embarrassed myself

the return of the king

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:06 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:02 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:00 pm There's no reason for scum to have two on the Bereft wagon.

(that last sentence is the logical inverse of a perspective slip)

explain

My understanding of a perspective slip is when a town/scum writes something that would never occur to the other half.

Me writing that sentence knowing that everyone will read that sentence and possibly call me townie or scummy for writing that sentence would be towny for other people, but not for me, which makes me writing that sentence towny.

Lemme know if you need to hit the bong before reading that

explain why two scum wouldn't be on a d1 wagon

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:00 pm There's no reason for scum to have two on the Bereft wagon.

(that last sentence is the logical inverse of a perspective slip)

explain

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:00 pm there was also Sheep voting falcon the other day which makes me think that team is unlikely

falcon has been sheep's go-to scum read throughout the game, when all else fails

pyxxy, do you know the tale of icarus

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:21 am

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:56 am jaiden was excellently positioned to contribute and redeem her slot if she is town

subbing in and immediately bottoming out on wim and low-posting makes sense if she subbed into a team that had just gotten screwed over

can't sleep, in the thread from bed :3

these are honestly good points

maybe I should just stick with you and no one else

I'm willing to townread falcon but it entirely depends on what he does or does not do in the final 12 hours of the phase

oh you posted a lot I can keep responding

lucy would be a wolf for those reasons, also I might have expected lucy to low post yesterday to avoid the NK if she thought she was on the block but she hasn't referenced that at all today nor really given it a go, so your reasoning is sound

got any thoughts on cape?

i vaguely recall scum-reading him and then switching my read based on interactions with seanzie because of an assumption re: wolf agenda (that wolves would have just let seanzie sink instead of defending him till the end)

rereading the beginning of d3 at some point made that a little shaky, because for a time nobody was really interested in pushing seanzie and multiple people wanted to go elsewhere. and there have been multiple people now trying to claim town cred by being unaware (and wolves would of course be aware! that is why they are a-werewolves). so maybe my assumption isn't gucci prada

my thought is "idk"

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 7:44 am

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:53 am i scum-read tutuu before subbing out because of her overly conciliatory posting and opting out of any actual decisions

jaiden subbed in just as the wolves got dumpstered by seanzie being outed, has made vague promises of doing things, has not done things and instead relied on making a couple cute posts occasionally

i was expecting this to be communicated more before the pivot on me but at least it was communicated
lets be clear, it hasnt been active, so I've not had much oppurtunity to contribute
I've contributed where i can and like, im "cute" about it, but theyre real posts
idk what more i can do honestly

I guess this is going to be me living up to your "syn is mean" read, but, like, there's no way you believe this

you subbed in with a wolf caught and the game ripe for a turnaround. the effectiveness of an iso here is never higher. you're fresh blood with a fresh outlook who can catch bad interactions in a way that people mired in the toxicity maybe can't

or you could get involved in the debates/arguments and note where people are acting odd (like pushing sheep now finally)

i don't understand the conditions you think the game needs for you to get into it, especially since you're getting into it now that there's a real chance you're getting chopped. is it the threat of death? let us break your chains, jaiden. the machine of oppression can control you no longer. nirvana awaits

@falcon45ca play game

you're the last holdout after a miraculous return by lucy and jaiden

this wagon composition always catches a wolf

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:14 am fuck i put myself below syn and didn't put you in lmao

based

idk bye

eat arby's

lucy's depletion of wim right as seanzie gets outed eats at me, especially since she came out the gates that day saying I'm a certain wolf and we shouldn't chop someone who is outed (seanzie)

but i also still believe that the rondo kill requires a town!lucy world, because otherwise it'd almost certainly spell her doom

there's a follow-up thought there that maybe a w/w seanzie/lucy would push seanzie to endgame with an eventual "hmm, maybe lucy is wolf" evolution of his "syn/lucy t/t" argument. but there'd also be a question of why they would think that's necessary, as no wagon ever gained traction on lucy and everyone mostly believed the emotion was that of a villager

this is something that i feel separates her from falcon, who similarly hasn't shown up

falcon however was largely a no-show since the beginning, and he gave his vote freely to me and thus onto seanzie during d3

that isn't clearing since bussing is a thing, but a general lack of understanding about the setup since the beginning is maybe in his favour. he's played the part of "I look at the game for maybe two minutes in a phase" pretty well

jaiden was excellently positioned to contribute and redeem her slot if she is town

subbing in and immediately bottoming out on wim and low-posting makes sense if she subbed into a team that had just gotten screwed over

i struggle to town-read the behaviour of either person who has played in that slot

i scum-read tutuu before subbing out because of her overly conciliatory posting and opting out of any actual decisions

jaiden subbed in just as the wolves got dumpstered by seanzie being outed, has made vague promises of doing things, has not done things and instead relied on making a couple cute posts occasionally

ngl it really is tough to make any sort of progress with three players going poof

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:43 am
my townreads are Syn and tutuu

damn, am I being pocketed by pyxxy to shield a pyxxy/tutuu team

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:11 am also lucy if you could do the days until KILO math again that would be appreciated

we just have today. d5 is lylo if we don't get a wolf

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:09 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:09 am chatgpt is coder's best friend man this thing is saving my ass. im literally asking it like im a baby and its explaining to me in plain english how to set up my coding shit. absolute godsend

here to play a bit. responding to old stuff

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:17 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:40 am Cape
Pyxxy
Rondo
Sheep

Is my towncore atm

(Please dont ask me to explain it will be very difficult for me)

I'm gonna need you to explain

cape was posting a lot and they were good posts

pyxxy i had a gut townread on due to him being awkward with cape

rondo was just blatantly town by rondoing all over the thread

sheep i had a strong gut feel is town, cant rly explain

Q for the thread:
Does tutuu struggle to scumread people as wolf?

i am realizing now i'm not sure if I've ever seen tutuu wolf

i would probably guess not though.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:39 am

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:32 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:28 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:26 pm
it's like... you have had static reads all game, have you not felt the need to relook at stuff?

i've read every single post and don't see a reason to change my immediate poe at this time

i think me staying solid on lucy/tutuu/wilgy causing such a venomous backlash again and again and again is a sign I'm on the right path tbh

the sheer vitriol, hostility, constant insults and sussing of me because I'm staying the course *chef's kiss* it's going to be amazing

syn was also displaying no real gusto to suspect seanzie day 2 either from what im seeing

he had made it onto a POE at some point but I never really pursued it afair. it was mech and ISO that made me put all my focus on him

anyway

consider the nk of rondo with the assumption that he was killed to enforce a thread state the wolves thought was guaranteed because of wilgy's dying breath being that lucy and I were a proverbial difference check and rondo and I leading the lucy polarization train. the thread was also quickly turning on neon. everything pointed to town sinking itself in tremendous fashion due to toxicity and ill-placed confidence

they were unlucky that seanzie was implicated by both possible doc options, because he was perfectly positioned to get town cred off of lucy and my's conflict. he spent a good portion of d2 publicly involving himself in it under the guise of mediation but actually prolonging it.

this is why I switched my read dramatically on lucy. i don't think that would be the plan if lucy was a wolf. it wouldn't be great to tie a wolf's fate so closely to someone they know is town. it would make wilgy's prediction true and guarantee the death of one of their own for, at that time, no good reason

I do like being town cleared

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:34 am
anyway this all ties into why I said the Sean/Sheep interaction should either clear or condemn Sheep

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:27 am trying to reduce that quote wall to just what I'm responding to will take forever, so @pyxxy:

@Syn you made a move towards sheep today, I approve of attempting to solve, does this D1 interaction in this spoiler make you feel anything either way?

sheep just asking seanzie about his read on the player in the limelight reminds me of d3 when he did the same thing but about porscha (which you also quoted in your wall)

just spent a few minutes skimming sheep's ISO and he only asks this question twice all game, both to seanzie

trying to reduce that quote wall to just what I'm responding to will take forever, so @pyxxy:

@Syn you made a move towards sheep today, I approve of attempting to solve, does this D1 interaction in this spoiler make you feel anything either way?

sheep just asking seanzie about his read on the player in the limelight reminds me of d3 when he did the same thing but about porscha (which you also quoted in your wall)

kinda sucks that half the player list has just stopped playing

Sheep wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 11:55 pm sigh
I'm now pretty sure syn thought i was like
trying to get towncleared by falsely claiming ignorance of seanzie being mech outed

which
I mean
certainly is a theory

I'm not sure how to disprove it atm
uh
like
I wouldn't make that kill as mafia if i'm trying to be towncleared

what is "that kill" meant to refer to here

porscha?

nobody is lol

except me uwu xoxo gossip girl

he's not

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 8:09 pm I am accepting applications for sweet reads I can sheep

vote jaiden

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 13, 2023 2:06 am hey @Syn

re: your post here

Spoiler: show

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:17 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:03 am

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:59 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:57 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:46 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:26 pm

hello sheep i would like to inform you that this reads list leaves a POE of sheep, cape, and pyxxy

oh no
(tbh idk why you associate "not getting voted today" with me not thinking they're a wolf)

generally speaking it is very cool to chop people you think are wolf

I mean yeah

in thos specific cases it was more of a thread read tbh

but also I feel like there's sometimes a diference between the two in general idk how to describe it

idk how to explain this
and not just because i don't have a lot of wolfreads

but like while votes can go with a wolfread you can still wolread somebody who you're not voting, or vote somebody who you're not wolfreading ig

I mean idk how to explain this to myself so i doubt i'll convey it to ya'll

the above, plus: ignoring the mech talk, asking people about reading porscha independent of mech, trying to tie up wagons at EOD because of "DADV" and "boring," constantly hedging his reads and mostly trying to pressure/chop slots that won't/can't defend themselves

does wolf!sheep flounder like this after waking up into a day where a wolf partner is afk/subbed and seanzie is sunk by lucky mech play?

cite your sources

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:02 am the solve being seanzie/sheep/tutuu-Jaiden would be kinda wild ngl

I'm willing to entertain this world

ok that makes sense

sorry for calling you katze and chloe (derogatory)

oh they joined fol after i stopped playing mafia