The Syndicate

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:53 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:51 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:49 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:48 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:47 pm [VOTE: 112 Wilgy Paopan TSP Sabie Sig] aubergine

Suddenly I have votes to spare but that's ok

There's prolly at max 2 teammates in this list

Why do you say that. Explain please.

Dizzy does not like to bus. Especially if the team has no reason to do so, and w/ only 1 Maf down at this stage, it's not likely that Dizzy would bus outside of necessity

Then why would Dizzy include any wolf in that list? I thought you had reads on any of them names.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:03 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 8:08 pm For the record, I'm not really up for the Nut paranoia. I also should not make decision based on wants. But I really do believe she has been quite towny, also meta wise. I usually read Nut pretty well. Only thing that gives me pause is the info that her role is a good scum pick.

I think we should go for Nutella

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:03 am

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 10:58 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:12 am On page 16 or something

Town:
Alexa
Guillo
Sean
Marmot
Belzy
Ilario

This list could probably be longer, but these are the people I care more about.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:20 am We should not chop Marmot D1. He's probably town and in any case his alignment will show, and I'd rather have him around if he's town.

I know marmot is dead, but this shows some heavy team defense going on I could see that being a agreed mafia strategy and definitely think who dizzy pushed to save should be eyed

From the list Dizzy posted, I think only guillo would be under the maybe scum category.

Ilario is incredibly unlikely because he shot dizzy
Alexa is towny and I townread their reaction for the alison shot.
sean is confirmed.
and belzy was heavily scumreading dizzy

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:09 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:12 pm I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show

Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show

Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

Actually, you're probably fine.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:12 pm I’m gonna bury this post here because we’re not supposed to talk about this anymore but I want to because it actually touched a slight moral nerve when I was reading over it. No one actually bother to read this please, it’s just me grumbling.

Spoiler: show

Seriously don’t bother, it’s nothing new I’m adding.

Spoiler: show

Alexa did nothing wrong, and I feel like she was being mildly gaslit by NAA and maybe one or two others. Like it was a supposed *red check* and she had a shot – doesn’t matter that NAA said ‘but let’s wait till D2’ or whatever, no one was expecting a weird role like he’s now implied, and I would’ve done the exact same as Alexa, and I think many people would’ve. And saying things like ‘I take no responsibility’ ahead of time does not magically absolve you of responsibility.

I feel like people were trying to apportion blame ‘fairly’ and…no. I don’t want to say this is all NAA’s fault in the sense he’s anti-town, because by now it’s clear why he did what he did and there’s a logic to it. But it was frustrating me to backread the blame Alexa was getting when it was, IMO, very clearly undeserved.

I chalk it up to emotions running high from all parties and have no ill feelings of my own towards anyone, but I was reading over it on my breaks at work and getting annoyed, so I kinda wanted to post this for Alexa’s sake.

Anyway don’t @ me to reopen this can.

This is wolfy

hmmmmmmmmmmm

I don't know if MR does all that as mafia, it's like icky fake comforting? But actually, it's probably nothing or not really AI.

I think it's an easy wolf post if Alexa is town.

Also the Dizzy Woogy cross post on MR.

Nice. [VOTE: MR] aubergine

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:15 am So

Wilgy
Papopa
Sig
Sabie

Maybe TSP

Shouldn’t be chopped/moved to next round.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:17 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:12 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:09 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:22 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:20 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm

Actually, you're probably fine.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm

This is wolfy

hmmmmmmmmmmm

I don't know if MR does all that as mafia, it's like icky fake comforting? But actually, it's probably nothing or not really AI.

I think it's an easy wolf post if Alexa is town.

Also the Dizzy Woogy cross post on MR.

Nice. [VOTE: MR] aubergine

Highly doubt MR is Maf. Meta claim on MR being town

Hmm...

Aye, but I think I've seen MR play like this as both town and wolf. So at least there's nothing discernable to me.

What is the key difference that I haven't seen yet.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:18 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:16 am

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:15 am So

Wilgy
Papopa
Sig
Sabie

Maybe TSP

Shouldn’t be chopped/moved to next round.

I have a nagging feeling that Dizzy had 1 teammate in the top wagons. He would want some town cred for a Maf flip

Numerically I guess could see one, since again if only one mafia moves into a round of 8 with 4 dead they can still save them.

It just kinda seems like with my limited reading that people are being very like disengaged almost when it comes to the fact we could loose four civs soon

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:19 am today's a good day to kill mac and nutella and alexa and sloonei and flip four wolves if wolves chose people and not roles

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:28 am i just doubt it's as simple as the captain picking the strongest scum players

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:46 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:27 am Yeah, of the top wagons Imma say Sabie is Dizzy's partner.



Why is Porscha getting no attention?

Because I declared Porscha as garanteed town.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:23 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:21 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:19 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:16 pm Not really, there were some loud defenders, but def not like out of contention

No what i meant was if Dizzy was PoE in the majority of people's reads to make Dizzy predict he might get shot and get in anti-spew mode? Because this list look like all of them have either history of slanking or lhf material.

i don't think he was POE enough to be in anti-spew. dizzy will bus though, in anni 2021 he shot a scum partner

Damn… he did say in the game before this one that he has bussed in the past.

I will need to do the hard work and cross analyze those names with Dizzy.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:25 pm MR seems pretty wolfy to me though

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:27 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:27 am Yeah, of the top wagons Imma say Sabie is Dizzy's partner.



Why is Porscha getting no attention?

Belzy somethin somethin mechanics.

I just TR Porscha.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:23 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:19 am today's a good day to kill mac and nutella and alexa and sloonei and flip four wolves if wolves chose people and not roles

Mac needs far more attention IMO

What scrutiny do you have against them?

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 12:33 pm Sig c4 HK as today's lynched , i approve

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:36 pm [VOTE: 112] aubergine
This slot is full of bad pushes on town. The only good thing going for them was suspecting Dizzy but it could easily be distancing.

Spoiler: show

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:17 pm early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Sabie had an odd opener but i haven't read any additional posts from her

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:46 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

honestly that whole alison post reads as scum casing town

Nah. Alison being guns blazing like this is townie and maybe this is the weakest point in the case but the rest is on the nose. Like the whole guilty conscience and 3p comment thing is pretty solid slam dunking imo.

hmm will consider

to me: i read the post first of all paying attention to its form more-so than the contents, and it really seemed like alison was trying /hard/ to follow a process and more than that appear to be following a process. maybe i am being anti-intellectual here and there is towny merit in casing people like that, but i honestly get the feeling she's trying too hard to slam dunk creature through a rigid adherence to cause-and-effect writing.

idk if that makes sense but ye

This shows 112 had tmi nutella was town. The tone how 113 addresses nutella implies that, also considering their read on Alison after making a definitive stand that Alison was scum, why would 112 take Nutella;s word for it? I read their ISO and didnt see 112 townreading Nutella. If 112 did, i missed it.

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:51 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:49 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:47 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

This is extremely NAI for Creature

Are the other parts of my case NAI for him, too?

I think it's way too early to write such a monster of a post--if you have so much to write against him/his slot right now, it's probably coming from a place of wolfy over-eagerness to project town or otherwise control the game.

Not too early for a wolf to make themself that obvious. I think alison is right and justified by how glaringly bad creature's content has been.

fair enough and i haven't read pages 2-5ish yet

haven't had a problem with creature myself--all i've really noticed from him is that he agrees with my Seanzie read and i prefer to see that favourably than not right now

If 112 is a wolf, this spews Creature town.

112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:45 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:43 am

Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:38 am I think I'm gonna go.
My past few posts are low effort posts and scums are taking advantage of it; scum painting me.
I'll check it again later on.
Byeee~

I think this is probably just town lmao

Paopan's list was v towny despite what ppl are saying about the slot

i can understand every inclusion in it

@112 Did you explain the bolded, why you understood every inclusion in it?

112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:10 pm [VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine

..,

Naked vote

112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:17 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:13 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:12 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:10 pm C4, shoot:

Scotty (scummy)

Bo (as KZA wanted)

or

Wilgy (as he requested)

Could totally shoot Scotty

Bo seems to be genuinely enjoying himself and is decently polarized but since both of you know him better do you have specific insights?

Wilgy lolno

Bo needs to actually do anything before I an actually read him.

well yeah but i think his slankship itself is >rand maf for him just operating by meta.

also, the posts he has made that i've managed to catch and read are largely off-topic and jokey, and i think this kind of active slank in addition to his more passive slanking is >>rand maf for him, no?

112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:24 pm [VOTE: BoKnows] aubergine

112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:34 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:33 pm

Paopan wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 10:29 pm My vote is still at sabie
There are way better votes? Probably
But I'm confident sabie will flip scum

What happens when I flip town? What does that say about you?

Why does it have to say anything? Can villagers not have bad reads?

This looks like a chainsaw, like a defense.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:27 am

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:25 am [VOTE: GUILLOTINE] aubergine

i can 100% see this so not insulting the vote when i ask, but what are your reasons?

Why did you ask? You had to have reasons or not reasons of your own to ask this.

112 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:18 pm i'm thinking Axe is some kind of 3p

Why 3P and not scum?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:44 pm Falcon is either soulreading me or spewing me town. Either way I'm town.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:42 pm nutella was a terrible shot though, i agree

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:46 pm how is falcon as wolf? if the polarized players hydra was any example, which was essentially Mac making all the posts and falcon slanking, he's probably just a villager here

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:46 pm how is falcon as wolf? if the polarized players hydra was any example, which was essentially Mac making all the posts and falcon slanking, he's probably just a villager here

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:46 pm how is falcon as wolf? if the polarized players hydra was any example, which was essentially Mac making all the posts and falcon slanking, he's probably just a villager here

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:49 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:48 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:46 pm how is falcon as wolf? if the polarized players hydra was any example, which was essentially Mac making all the posts and falcon slanking, he's probably just a villager here

Tho I'll also say, in the Hydra game there was like 150+ new posts every 20 mins it felt like, and I found it very difficult to keep up w/ the thread.

TBF i don't think this way is way slower

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:46 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 1:42 pm nutella was a terrible shot though, i agree

Why do you feel she was a terrible shot?

It was a hero shot when there are far more questionable slots still left in the game

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:14 pm I have very low confidence at where wolves are and the only thing I wish is that we don't end up lynching four town today

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:22 pm Like nutella had faced some light shade. It wasn't entirely out of nowhere someone might find her suspicious.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:31 pm I'm failing to pinpoint even one wolf

towny

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:35 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:33 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:31 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:31 pm I'm failing to pinpoint even one wolf

towny

This shade is annoying me

112 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:09 pm @Master Radishes - falcon asked you about me (i feel like just to make chatter rather than actually caring), but what is your assessment of falcon?

personally i see him as flying a bit under the radar for, like, the whole game now. i feel like if he were town he would have stepped it up for at least 30 minutes here-or-there but he's been a pretty consistent slank engine. i think with so little pressure on him he's just content to continue with what has gotten him this far but idk.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:56 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:55 pm

112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:44 pm uhh, recanting my seanzie read if it matters at this point

marmot, sabie, dizzy are all good suspects imo

and i could easily see BK as a wolf in this one

does anyone know how 112 is as wolf/does he bus? if not this post may be a fairly good look

That's what Neeko said. 112 pretty much can't be mafia.
No Mafia would ever bus 2 allies in one of their first posts.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:34 pm I'm currently being voted by many many wolves btw

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:46 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:45 pm

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:34 pm I'm currently being voted by many many wolves btw

ok clownshoes

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:39 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:37 pm Changing subjects:

All Canucks are town. True or False?

I think there's an okay chance of it.

I haven't checked up on 112. Falcon has Concerns within his game.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:56 pm What's the Porscha mech btw, someone?

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 5:58 pm @falcon45ca why u voting Belzy?

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:02 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:00 pm That was crude of me, apologies wife who'll never see this anyway.

Screenshotting

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:03 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:02 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:00 pm That was crude of me, apologies wife who'll never see this anyway.

Screenshotting

Don't worry, she's imaginary anyway (probably)

You're telling me he could've switched off of Jack last year but he didn't?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:23 pm 112
Voters: dyachei, TonyStarkPrime, Creature, falcon45ca, Guillotine, DrWilgy

Pros:
- Has dyachei

Cons:
- Has every potentially wolfy name (TSP, falcon, Guillo, Wilgy)

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:24 pm c4e5g3d5
Voters: falcon45ca, Paopan, LinearPoint, dyachei, Sloonei, Belzy, DrWilgy

Pros:
- Has dyachei
- Has Belzy
- Lack of wolfy names

Cons:
- I think c4 is town
- Meh

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:52 pm I've misread falcon a bunch lately, thinking scum when he's town. This time he doesn't feel like either, at least not his usual meta. But in a vacuum I find him a bit too appeasing. His read on me is too confident. Unless there are raisins I just don't know how long I can keep ignoring him and hoping something happens to help me settle on an opinion.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:59 pm Sorry Falc I shouldn't have pushed it.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:57 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:52 pm I've misread falcon a bunch lately, thinking scum when he's town. This time he doesn't feel like either, at least not his usual meta. But in a vacuum I find him a bit too appeasing. His read on me is too confident. Unless there are raisins I just don't know how long I can keep ignoring him and hoping something happens to help me settle on an opinion.

Oh FFS



I have a green check on you



Go ahead and soup me Maf

i've seen this movie before

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:49 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:48 pm

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:57 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:52 pm I've misread falcon a bunch lately, thinking scum when he's town. This time he doesn't feel like either, at least not his usual meta. But in a vacuum I find him a bit too appeasing. His read on me is too confident. Unless there are raisins I just don't know how long I can keep ignoring him and hoping something happens to help me settle on an opinion.

Oh FFS



I have a green check on you



Go ahead and soup me Maf

i've seen this movie before

Yeah? Did you enjoy the popcorn, or was it too buttery?

poop flavoured

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:57 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:55 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:52 pm I've misread falcon a bunch lately, thinking scum when he's town. This time he doesn't feel like either, at least not his usual meta. But in a vacuum I find him a bit too appeasing. His read on me is too confident. Unless there are raisins I just don't know how long I can keep ignoring him and hoping something happens to help me settle on an opinion.

Oh FFS



I have a green check on you



Go ahead and soup me Maf

This outburst feels unnecessary, but I believe it.