The Syndicate

OK, so let's assume then alexa is telling the truth

That's alexa, MR, myself, porsch, belzy, ilario town

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:52 am Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;

What rough Beast slouches towards Bethlehem to be born

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:52 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:49 am
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:56 pm Radishes, JPIC, TSP participating of this bullshit all look wolfy

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:00 pm TSP looks wolfy now

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:15 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:13 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:10 pm 112
Creature
DrWilgy
hollowkatt
LinearPoint
sabie12
sig
TonyStarkPrime

Boom. If there's not wolf in here I quit mafia forever. Probably.
Creature and hk being in this list feels silly. I'm also increasingly thinking TSP's town.
TSP was one of the players constantly sheeping me yesterday on bad CFDs

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:20 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:19 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:18 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 7:15 pm We could just put the people on the Sean wagon and cut that playerbase in half.
Seemed pretty Mafia driven with likely 2-3 on it.
But then we hit like 60% town easy. Bad take.
Wrong.
Sean wagon: Urist, NotAnAxehole, Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella
Urist and NAA already dead.
Paopan, Belzy, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, nutella. At least 2 of these are Mafia. Probably 3.
Two of them just died so that leaves Paopan, Belzy, TSP, Wilgy and nutella

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:27 pm Bit worried about TSP having 369 posts but being low impact

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 3:31 pm I think TSP has wolf equity and most of their posts felt like pocket attempts

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 7:04 pm hollowkatt (16): Creature, sig, LinearPoint, Belzy, 112, TonyStarkPrime, DrWilgy, Sloonei, dyachei, c4e5g3d5, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, Guillotine, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria
sig (11): Sloonei, Belzy, 112, Porscha, falcon45ca, alexa, sabie12, LinearPoint, Master Radishes, Phil and Gloria, Justplayingitcool
112 (10): Sloonei, Porscha, hollowkatt, sig, TonyStarkPrime, alexa, dyachei, DrWilgy, Paopan, Guillotine
Guillotine (9): 112, Creature, Sloonei, Master Radishes, dyachei, Justplayingitcool, LinearPoint, ilario, DrWilgy
DrWilgy (8): TonyStarkPrime, c4e5g3d5, dyachei, hollowkatt, 112, sabie12, Paopan, LinearPoint
TonyStarkPrime (8): Paopan, Porscha, Belzy, Guillotine, Justplayingitcool, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Master Radishes
sabie12 (5): alexa, sig, falcon45ca, hollowkatt, Phil and Gloria
c4e5g3d5 (4): Phil and Gloria, sig, TonyStarkPrime, Belzy

This is probably the final nail in the coffin and sure I could read the rest of his iso but there’s no convincing me anymore he’s not a wolf

He spends a great deal talking about tsp being a wolf compared to guillo who he doesn’t mention or interact with once in his entire iso until just barely before eod d2. Nevertheless creature has built up a narrative that tsp is a wolf since d1 and yet his vote ends up on guillo not tsp. 1 vote was the difference between his sr for days (tsp) surviving over guillo

I like this

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 3:29 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:49 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:33 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:31 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:31 pm I'm failing to pinpoint even one wolf
towny

This shade is annoying me
I will always find "hope we lynch a wolf, gosh this game is sooooo hard, I can't find wolves!" type of posts scummy
i will never understand how ur mind works lol

ilario on board w/ my Creature sus.

TSP

Then I'm looking at Creature, JPIC, Dya as an immediate POE

If Creature flips Maf, Sloon looks clear

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:08 pm If I had the energy I could also go through someone's ISO and slap wolf mastermind motivation behind each post.

We're not talking about wolf mastermind motivation, we're talking about pushing a slot as scum

And then not voting them when you have the opportunity

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:16 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 12:56 pm TSP

Then I'm looking at Creature, JPIC, Dya as an immediate POE

If Creature flips Maf, Sloon looks clear
Dya? I think we're another green flip away before we bring Dya back into the PoE.

I think we look at Wilgy, Mac, Sabie, and Sloonei in the same breath as Creature and JPIC.

Fair enough on Dya.

I'm town leaning Mac rn, and I want Creature's flip before Sloons.

JPIC, Wilgy, Creature, Sabie

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 1:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:50 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:49 pm 112
DrWilgy
TonyStarkPrime

are all tied at 8 and wolves will get to choose two of them to be lynched
Vote for Guillo.

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:52 pm creature, i think guillo is full of it. he keeps acting like he didnt have a huge paranoia thing about 3ps to me. He keeps using that as justification for his actions

it's up to you but i think he's a wolf
What convinced me to vote Guillotine

And now you're sus of Sloon, but TR Dya still?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 2:02 pm I'm really afraid wolves can win through prizes alone.

I fail to see the point of worrying about these kinds of things

It detracts from solving, and adds thread despair.

Town are entering the contests as well. I don't believe our chances are any better or worse

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:06 pm I guess no one's around but me right now

Howdy!

Yeah, TSP is caught

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:22 pm I was apparently coasting so hard I helped get a guillo elim. Yup thats me, entirely coasting

I wish people wouldnt use buzzwords that make no contextual sense

I'm posting as able after being at term for pregnancy and subsequently giving birth during this game. I'm sorry I'm not active enough to people like porscha (who i still looks pretty bad and the only thing going for them is belzy's say so)

Oh well congratulations!

LYNCH HER IMMEDIATELY

joooooooookes

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 3:00 pm And everyone has gone for a rest now that we have TSP lined up, and I get that, but honestly @alexa @Belzy @Porscha @falcon45ca you guys are increasingly likely to be souped soon, so now may be your last chance to say things.

I ain't afraid of no soup!

Pao, Sabie, Creature, JPIC, Wilgy, P&G

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:03 pm I am so insanely obviously town today. Just look at the quality of the pushes against me. Absolute ass cancer of the upper mouth.

TBH, this kinda reads like a wolf who's frustrated that they're being SR when they feel they're playing a town game.

Who's in your POE?

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:07 pm
Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 6:03 pm I am so insanely obviously town today. Just look at the quality of the pushes against me. Absolute ass cancer of the upper mouth.
TBH, this kinda reads like a wolf who's frustrated that they're being SR when they feel they're playing a town game.

Who's in your POE?

Ohhhhhh, I see, you just don't like it when others patronize you.

It's all good when you do it, right?

Riiiiiiiiight. Color me surprised

Holy fuxk

P&G was Maf??? Who coulda guessed

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:01 pm @falcon45ca

What was your check?

I'm gonna hold this one closer to the chest right now

Well, I'm somewhat wary of the soup, but fuggit

I shot P &G

I don't know who's shot went thru, but there ya have it

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:45 pm Welp guess that was a disappointing night

Nah, I think it was awesome.

We are ever closer to town victory. Chin up, we've got a solvable POE

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:48 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:47 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:45 pm Welp guess that was a disappointing night
Nah, I think it was awesome.

We are ever closer to town victory. Chin up, we've got a solvable POE
why did you choose to shoot mac? iirc you were saying he was more likely town by EOD

Read my last few interactions w/ P&G, as well as my POE.

That's why I shot him

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:50 pm falcon's ISO is glitching for me for some reason so i can't find it but i could've sworn

I mentioned at one point that he was feeling towny to me, for sure, shortly after my red check claim on TSP & P&G's reaction to that. My reads change & move tho, and by EOD I was pretty sus of the slot

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:48 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:47 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:45 pm Welp guess that was a disappointing night
Nah, I think it was awesome.

We are ever closer to town victory. Chin up, we've got a solvable POE
Yeah so DrWilgy and Sloonei?

Def possible.

I like Pao for this RD, but it's still early

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 7:55 pm So 5 people are claiming to have shot Mac and not retracting?

His body looks like swiss cheese right now

[VOTE: Pao] aubergine

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:21 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:07 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:45 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:42 pm I would suspect that the mafia team has some for of access to a role block ability.
Why wouldn't they block Falcon then?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 10:01 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:51 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:46 pm Belzy/Alexa/sabie is that neighbourhood permanent or just for the vig?
It was temporary just for the vig shot.
Why didn’t you shoot paopan?
I was worried they would try to roleblock me if they have a roleblock ability. I remember alexa said she was roleblocked one night which made me think it's possible mafia has a roleblock ability of some sort. If falcon is being truthful about his shot on mac-yo then they may have tried to use it on me rather than falcon. So I holstered just in case. I also was worried after messing it up twice. I wanted to make sure we got the macyo shot right.
Why would a roleblock deter you from attempting to shoot?
IDK. Sabie honestly was being extremely sketchy in this regard and it makes me nervous about her alignment. Like a huge convo in the neighborhood was "OK we are killing Mac/Paopan, let's shoot one then Sabie kills the other"

and she agrees etc etc etc

so her suddenly backtracking on that/holstering feels sketchy as fuck to me

Was Sabie sketchy in the chat? What was she like?

Paopan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:26 am I am hard pushing scums. But people just wouldn't listen.
So I'll just coast. My opinions are heavily ignored for the first 2 days.

Le paopan chillin~

What opinion do you feel was ignored last RD? Be specific plz

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:29 pm I really hate that I am in another GoC where there is a known 3p playing the "trust me bro" card

why does god hate me

Oh, who's the 3P trust me?

Lynch em' dead I say

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:24 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 5:08 am I’m 3p, I’m hks partner. We have two wincons. First wincon is kill two wolves. If we kill two wolves, we achieve our wincon, get removed from the game and game continues as it normally would. Second wincon: we survive all the way to the end (just one of us is fine) and we win with whoever is alive. So yeah, we can win by winning with town and eliminating all the wolves. So there’s heavy incentive for us to townside which is why we have. I used hks day vig on dizzy so we already got 1 of our kills. If Alexa is mafia then I get my second and I leave the game if she flips mafia.

As for my abilities, everything lp outed today is….correct. So correct that I wonder if it’s coming from tmi. They perfectly guessed my characters name and some of their abilities. Which are: twice a game I can make myself untargetable to any night actions. I think the night alexa claimed her vest to be popped was the night wolves tried to kill me. That day before eod, I made a post saying tsp was probably a wolf and mac even noticed it and commented on it. I killed dizzy that day. I was pushing mac. And fossed alexa. I’ve been n1d 3 of my last games in a row (excluding didney world). Im a hot commodity for wolves to nk, so yes I do strongly believe wolves had a lot of reason to want me dead.

Start of today Alexa has a sudden epiphany that 3p isn’t eliminated. My guess is she didn’t discuss this in the chat with belzy and pao? Wanna know why? Probably because she didn’t know until sod because she used her rc on me. Why would town alexa rc me if she’s convinced I’m town? Or belzy on d2? It’s because she’s wolf and is trying to rc people mafia can’t push to get misyeeted.

And yeah I know what y’all are gonna say 3p is bad and shouldn’t be trusted, but if I was an evil aligned 3p I have no reason to play this way. I wasn’t being sussed by anyone, I can just keep living off the towncred from dizzy and achieve my wincon if it was an evil one. I wouldn’t invest this much into solving when I’m already in a good spot. So why would I as 3p care so much about townsiding? Because I’m a petty ass bitch and I think wolves chose players so I wanna bury the entire team for not choosing me lol, that’s pmuch it.
Alexa wanted to vig shot Mac just as much as me. So why should a mafiaAlexa do that?

Who's idea was it first?

Also, w/ P&G getting a lot of sus already, it wouldn't be the worst way to gain town cred

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:32 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:29 pm I really hate that I am in another GoC where there is a known 3p playing the "trust me bro" card

why does god hate me
Oh, who's the 3P trust me?

Lynch em' dead I say
ilario claimed 3p

Yeah, I just read a bit of their wall post.

Why not vote alexa then?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:37 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:32 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 12:29 pm I really hate that I am in another GoC where there is a known 3p playing the "trust me bro" card

why does god hate me
Oh, who's the 3P trust me?

Lynch em' dead I say
ilario claimed 3p
Yeah, I just read a bit of their wall post.

Why not vote alexa then?
ilario poisoned Alexa

if we are to believe ilario, he needs to kill two mafia directly to achieve his wincon. He's already killed dizzy. Yeeting Alexa won't achieve it.

Personally, I think I am of the mind to leave both alexa and ilario and yeet outside of them two.

Ahh, I see. Didn't realize who'd poisoned Alexa.

TBH, I'm fine w/ Pao or Creature this RD

If players feel strongly over one than the other, let me know why plz

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:20 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:17 pm Btw when will falcon reveal his guilty?
I assumed he doesn't have one because he shot mac

Boom

Also, my shot wasn't a guarantee. If it had failed, I would've been shot in the face dead

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:21 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:20 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:17 pm Btw when will falcon reveal his guilty?
I assumed he doesn't have one because he shot mac
Dayphase would've been a lot better if he did

I've hit Maf w/ 2 of 3 actions.

I'm not Superman, I can only do so much

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:23 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:20 pm TBH, I'm fine w/ Pao or Creature this RD

If players feel strongly over one than the other, let me know why plz
So either someone who I feel could be telling the truth about being protective or someone I am sure is town

I'll always listen to other ideas & assess them on their own merit.

Whatcha got?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:28 pm I don't even know. Sloonei is very likely wolf in the world alexa is town but could be town in the world alexa is wolf.

By this logic, you shouldn't care about Sloon this RD, as we have alexas flip on the horizon

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:30 pm I made tea and have calmed down. I’m a british grandma.

Time for Coronation Street boyos

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:29 pm DrWilgy has been a headscratcher for days.

From what I know of Wilgy, that's NAI

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:40 pm Would it he dangerous to ask @Paopan who he has targeted?

He said me last RD, but honestly it's like the easiest fake claim for a Maf to make

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 1:44 pm
Paopan wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:56 pm I was on falcon this night. But okay

Guess I'm the better vote than Sabie

What feels sincere to you about this?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:42 pm This game has started to go off the rails. Let's regroup.

ALEXA IS POISONED. Arguing about her alignment today is pointless. Unless there is a healer who opts to save her, she is flipping at the end of this phase whether she is town or mafia.

Targeting Ilario today is pointless. He has claimed 3P, and takes responsibility for poisoning Alexa. He has presented arguments for suspecting alexa to be mafia. We can agree or disagree with this arguments. But, again, she is going to flip no matter what. We can discuss her alignment, but only insofar as it helps us to identify other POE possibilities around her.

There are three mafia remaining. It is a safe bet that Ilario is not one of them in any world. Belzy, Porscha, and falcon are also almost definitely not among them. LinearPoint is only mafia if Alexa is also mafia. The more civilians we can identify in the remaining groups of players, the easier it becomes to solve this game.

I believe that DrWilgy and JPIC are town based on interactions with dead mafia members and, in JPIC's case, posts during this day phase.

That leaves me with Creature, Sabie, paopan, and the possibility of Alexa and LinearPoint. If Alexa flips town, then I feel the game may be solved. If Alexa flips mafia then the game may be solved as well. I would pick Creature and LinearPoint as her most likely partners.

Absolutely none of those POE reads are set in stone (including the JPIC and WIlgy townreads). But healthy discussion is essential if we want to win this game. We must be open to reconsideration of reads, and pursue things with clear and honest minds. I am saying these words as much for myself and everyone else.

This is pretty much where my head is at right now

Can anyone remind me of all 8 in the D2 lynch pool? Who's still alive and kicking from that group?

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:55 pm Maybe we should look into Sabie and Paopon then

Totally fine w/ Pao. Doesn't Sabie have a role?

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:02 pm If Paopon is scum with sabie and creature then they are bussing rn in the vc

I don't think it's all 3.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:05 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:02 pm If Paopon is scum with sabie and creature then they are bussing rn in the vc
I don't think it's all 3.
Who coulda woulda shoulda ya replace with whom?

You're not gonna like it, but I think sabie doesn't enter the POE just yet. There's others ahead of her IMO

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:10 pm If you all decide to lynch the town vig at least give me some cred for saving the town vig EOD2 even though they haven't been really useful the night after.

Nah

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
But see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.
Ok, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.
Sabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?
If that's the case, she did not speak up about it at all, so I'm not sure why she's lying now. In the group chat, we all talked about how we scumread Mac and Pao, but were more confident on Mac and our shot couldn't be blocked so we went with it. Sabie seemed equally (or even more-so) confident on Paopan scum as well. I confirmed that she had a vig shot left and she confirmed she'd be firing it at Paopan

If Sabie is Maf, what's her play here? Obvs she'd be aware that she didn't VK Pao as she told you, so why admit to holstering?

Wouldn't it have been the ultimate town cred to deepwolf by shooting Pa

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:16 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:11 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:10 pm If you all decide to lynch the town vig at least give me some cred for saving the town vig EOD2 even though they haven't been really useful the night after.
Nah
If we mislynch today, I guess there's still a chance town may survive to see tomorrow. However, if you all decide to lynch the town vig then you all better find a way to resolve me because I suspect two mislynches in a row almost always results in a wolf win here.

Who's "you all"? I'm not advocating for sabies flip

Pretty sure Pao & yourself have more votes than her, no?

Yeah, you do.

Why do you feel so agenda based on this sabie defense Creature?

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