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by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:43 am
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:22 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:16 am
Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:15 am Rondo, the problem you’re having is that Jack is an obvious wolf and I am not.
Amazing response. I spend the last hour reading through your ISO and giving a considered approach and you meme at me in response. Interesting. Not town.
I can’t really respond to your thoughts because you misinterpreted everything, including the fact that I said you were town.

I’ll take one small thing, which is that Falcon did not hit the nail on the head when he said my mindset isn’t town because I pointed out I was echoing the opinion of our IC, who is town. So take that under consideration and blow up the rest of your post because you’re being (perhaps willfully) obtuse.

I am not going to bother responding to any more of your nonsense.
Repeating the opinions of others isn't a towny mindset, especially if they're actually an IC.



In fact, I can guarantee that Maf have parroted the opinions of other town, mech cleared or otherwise, many many many times in the past, and prolly even in this very game... and you seem awfully sure the IC is as claimed.



See, I don't know cuz' I'm town, and have almost no info at this point...but you seem to take it as gospel



Why are you voting Kate? Why did you do a naked vote? Imma dive your ISO now, cuz' I'm curious how often you've brought her up before this
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:10 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Checking Baudi's ISO, while he does mention voting Kate and having her in his list o' baddies, it appears to be simply sheeping Alison. He gives no reason of his own that I can see.



Hey @Baudib1 , you once said you'd like players who are TR to explain themselves...Alison, of whom you've made no secret of sheeping since pretty much start of game, is TR my slot. You should ask her why, no?
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:25 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:54 am
MacDougall wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:34 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:53 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:50 pm I don’t have any opinions on anyone’s reads lists.
That's concerning to the point of me doubting it's truth.

@Creature, we just going to ignore my reasons for my wr list that I posted earlier?

I think I don't know creatures wolf range well enough, I can postulate both "maybe I'm in argument with a town that communicates differently from my expectations" and "damn, creature is putting down some scummy posts."
The things you are choosing to focus on and talk about and place importance on just don't feel like relevant and town mindset things to me.
I kinda believe this. I a lot want to believe it because it would be funny if Wilgy was a wolf again.
You've been accused of trolling this game. Do you feel that's at all accurate? Do you think you've been solving?



Got 3 Town & 3 Scum and a few blurbs as to why?
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:27 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

[VOTE: baudi] aubergine
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:41 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Baudib1 wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:19 pm

I don't really think we should elim Alison either, but if I did have to argue this, I'd say that even though Alison has recently been an often early yeet, that hasn't always been the case, and I think there are plenty of situations where wolf!Alison could go deep and endgame. Wolf!Falcon is not as good deep and will not endgame nearly as well as wolf!Alison.
If we were to agree they were both exactly rand I’d keep Alison over Falcon easily because she’s taking hard aggro stances that are forcing NAI responses from the thread.
Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:31 pm Creature and Alison are terrible votes today.


@MacDougall @staypositivefriend
I realize it’s inevitable but I dislike meta reads since they are obviously exploitable and mutable and regardless of what you think of Creature’s game, he is indeed playing the game and at least giving the appearance of trying to discern alignments, which is more than what 3/4 of the player list is doing. Also multiple people here claim to be master reads of Creature, who becomes obvtown or obvwolf later in the game. Let’s find a Wolfy player who isn’t doing anything.
Interesting contradiction here...likes Alison cuz they are forcing NAI responses from the thread (which is....wow), and also likes Creature cuz he's trying to discern AI.



"I like this person cuz they enjoy hamburgers....I also like this person cuz they DON'T enjoy hamburgers"
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:04 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

tutuu wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 12:49 pm

I have noted 2 wolves engaging in w/w aggression. You think you're clever. You're not.
Did you know that Giorgio Moroder...the Father of Disco...composed this song, as well as Take My Breathe Away and several other from the Top Gun soundtrack?



Here he is being an absolute monster w/ Daft Punk (my fav off the album)

by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:15 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Alison wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:44 am Kate townslipped. She's been using the green text all game to represent stuff that's from an out-of-game perspective and that she wants to make sure people know is genuine and not speaking from her role PM. She included "it would be a bad move for town to vote me out" in green text because she was telling the truth about requesting a sub out and accidentally said too much in her "trust tell" font.

Roxy hasn't returned and is either totally checked out of the game or totally frozen mafia. We should get rid of her because we can't leave her around generating question marks forever.
Lynching slankers D1 is always suboptimal.


If only there was a recent game where Maf absolutely trounced Town cuz' of this very thing...@DrWilgy , remember?
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:02 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:15 pm
Alison wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:44 am Kate townslipped. She's been using the green text all game to represent stuff that's from an out-of-game perspective and that she wants to make sure people know is genuine and not speaking from her role PM. She included "it would be a bad move for town to vote me out" in green text because she was telling the truth about requesting a sub out and accidentally said too much in her "trust tell" font.

Roxy hasn't returned and is either totally checked out of the game or totally frozen mafia. We should get rid of her because we can't leave her around generating question marks forever.
Lynching slankers D1 is always suboptimal.


If only there was a recent game where Maf absolutely trounced Town cuz' of this very thing...@DrWilgy , remember?
Not for wolves. Wolf Alison loves to yeet town slankers like "We can't leave this slot around forever."
Well, ya I mean for Town. 'Natch it's a wolf strat
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:02 pm
Forum: Previous Rackets
Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Seanzie wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:12 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
What are your reasons if I may?
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:02 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:28 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Seanzie wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:20 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:12 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
What are your reasons if I may?
You may not.

Joking!

1.Idr who argued it, but pointing out that wolf!Alison would definitely push slankers with agenda really resonated with me, coupled with other things that are reminiscent of scum!Alison (aggressive pushes that kinda seem to be more about decreasing thread morale than hunting, for example)

and

2. ties are fun, which is why I...
[VOTE: Baudib] aubergine
Ties are less fun this game, SpaceDaze said something about them being Maf sided.

[VOTE: baudi] aubergine
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:51 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Bereft wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:49 pm Alison, Creature, Rondo, Baudi, Wilgy



That's been the pretty consistent wagons thus far this RD. Baudi thinks these are spectacularly bad...despite SR Wilgy for sure, and certainly shading Rondo...that's 2/5 he should have no issue w/ flipping, yet he acts like we've got spectacularly bad wagons.


I don't see how a town thinks like this
This is just so disingenuous.
Why?
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:52 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Bereft wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:43 am
Why are you voting Kate? Why did you do a naked vote? Imma dive your ISO now, cuz' I'm curious how often you've brought her up before this
You were literally naked voting Kate at the time. The only thing in your iso mentioning kate before this was a whiles before saying "i only found kate sus after the reaction" and you've never repped kate as a sus even when asked by (seanzie?). So how, how, do you get to baudib naked voting kate being a cause of newfound concern for baudibs alignment.
I literally wasn't. My vote was announced ITT. Nice try tho?
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:53 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

falcon45ca wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:45 am [VOTE: kate] aubergine
@Bereft If you're gonna barely post, at least be accurate
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:02 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

We can't have a 4, 4, 3 wagon set up. That's way to fuckin' easy for Maf to find a way to tie IMO
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:02 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

[VOTE: creature] aubergine
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

Baudib1 wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:04 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:50 pm ftr im insecure about my vote on jack and im not sure that im going to hold there

i just prefer him over the baud/alison wagons atm
What wagon(s) would you prefer instead?
i perceive the pool of creature/splints/falcon/sig as being likely to contain at least 2 wolves
I would guess you are probably correct.

I would say of the people casing/pushing me, Rondo is almost certainly town; Seanzie feels genuine; Falcon seems extremely sus. Bereft feels pure and his casing of Falcon was solid work.

Splints/sig/wilgy are flying utr.

Roxy seems rand to me; I think the pushback on Alison is likely at least partially wolf-driven though that doesn't mean much for Roxy's alignment imo.

Pretty tough to yeet mafia in this game state with 5 living so if you want to move to another wagon please @me, i'm out of posts. Who else do you trust?
:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:


This is my fav quote of the game, hands down.
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:15 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine


No ties yo
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:18 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

lucy wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:16 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:15 pm [VOTE: alison] aubergine


No ties yo
go on jack
Why Jack over Alison?



If it's purely "don't lynch Alison cuz if she's town that sux", I don't care. Alison's strat to lynch a slanker is sub-optimal, and I don't find it towny D1
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:25 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:23 pm @sig
@Jackofhearts2005
@Roxy
@fingersplints
@falcon45ca

Alison flips town > who are the wolves on your wagon? Who are the town?

Alison flips wolf > who bussed? who is pure?
If Alison flips town, Jack of course needs to be looked at (and prolly should be investigated anyways)


If Alison flips wolf...well, Jack & Alison could be w/w, scum theatre is a thing after all. Sig feels pure to me tho
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:16 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:56 pm The thing giving me pause about my gamestate, and humouring flipping my evaluation upside down, is Alison and Baudib shielding Creature in case that wasn't obvious.

Firstly, I still think SPF's case on Creature has been the most thorough and well reasoned argument anyone has made the entire phase. On top of that SPF has been possibly the towniest person in the game. In spite of that, she's been largely ignored in favour of this repetitive argument that's like the universe vs. Alison. I also just don't think Creature has been towny.

Is there a world in which Alison, Baudib, SPF and Creature are all town.

SPF and Mac would need to be wrong about Creature. Corrected by two players who are largely suspected by a huge swathe of players. I guess it's plausible in that way.

The question one moustache is ... is Creature really towny enough for Alison and Baudib to be this defensive of him? Or is their defense shielding a partner? Or is it TMI?

@Jackofhearts2005 @DrWilgy @falcon45ca What do you three think of Creature?
I feel Creature has been here and done...things? I can't say I feel he's been solving, more like stirring.
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:16 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

[VOTE: baudi] aubergine
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:20 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:36 pm This game has all the traits of tvt violence and in a way that would be quite difficult for the mafia to justify getting involved in. Players like Wilgy, Roxy and Falcon are coming across like they have an obscene amount of town self entitlement even if I disagree with them (and was scumreading them), and on the flipside so does Baudib, Lucy etc.

What is the major hypotheses being debated?

Alison is mafia
Lucy should be trusted/listened to
A giant group of players who are opposite aligned to Alison are all scummy/bad/wrong/annoying

What is not being discussed?

Fingersplints is scummy as hell
Kate didn't get any townier at all
SPF's casing of Creature is being largely ignored and if he was town, I'd expect the mafia to be shining a lot on it
Tutuu/Neon capping early
Rondo's weird as hell holding of the Oracle claim

I am very tempted to townread and largely ignore everyone who is giving heaps of fucks about the former set of theorum and want to cast my glare at the people who are more passive at the moment, particularly those whose names are in the above.
fingersplints wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.
fingersplints wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:14 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:10 pm fingersplints didnt you just tell me like 24 hours ago that you thought alison and baub were town vs town.....? so do u believe this and ur voting alison for the sake of proving a point to lucy? or do u actually sr alison now?
I did not plan on voting her at the time. I said I thought it was a playstyle clash. But I also think now one of those need to resolved or else it will plague us the entire game. And I like the posts of the other players with votes more than her.
And also yes, I disagree with Lucy’s posts
How can anyone read this justification and think that is legit?
I like this line of reasoning tbh. Mac's town cored til further notice
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:23 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

[VOTE: kate] aubergine
by falcon45ca
Fri Jan 06, 2023 9:58 pm
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Topic: Cartomancy [Game Over]
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 2]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:34 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

[VOTE: mac] aubergine



Your revolution is over...condolences! The bums lost! My advice to you is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir!
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:35 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Dennis wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:33 pm Oh yeah, no one got a chance to answer me last night. What's LHF?
Low hanging fruit
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:39 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Creature wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:35 pm Roxy is my top wolfread and they should prob always go for Alison and also for the moon thing not going off on them (although it's possible wolves were expecting the Alison wagon to take lead instead).

Still would rather try some new wagons because I feel like wolves are going unpressured.
"I want Roxy to go, she's my top wolfread....also, can we get some new wagons?"


I'm not sure what to make of that
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:44 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Creature wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:39 pm
Creature wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:35 pm Roxy is my top wolfread and they should prob always go for Alison and also for the moon thing not going off on them (although it's possible wolves were expecting the Alison wagon to take lead instead).

Still would rather try some new wagons because I feel like wolves are going unpressured.
"I want Roxy to go, she's my top wolfread....also, can we get some new wagons?"


I'm not sure what to make of that
It's pressure making. You wagon someone and force them to respond/react to it so you can get a read on them and also attract others' attention.
What are you hoping to get out of Jack w/ your vote pressure?
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:45 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Baudib1 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:41 pm
Sabiplz wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:40 pm So should I iso Roxy, Jack, Mac, spf, sig, who else?

These are names I'm seeing thrown around?
Porscha, Falcon.

Some people think Creature has been off meta and he was one of Alison’s legacy W reads.
You silly goose, I am town. How many times I gotsta tells ya?
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:47 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Bereft wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:45 pm Its pretty clear that we absolutely lost control over the game.
Sig's recasting of the Alison situation encapsulates that perfectly.
It all just looks mindless. Is Lucy/Mac/SPF not enough for you guys?
But. I dont actually know anyone who has the mileage besides tutuu to persuade how many ever town that actually boring established towncores of stronger players are good.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Chicken Little. Settle down.


We didn't have a N1 town death, so that's a plus. These kind of posts are inherently scummy, as they only serve to lower morale.
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:58 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Hudson Hawk is now on Netflix, and my quality of life has grown immeasurably
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:00 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Baudib1 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:54 pm Creature why is Falcon town?
falcon is always town, check his rand %.
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:04 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Baudib1 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:54 pm SPF:
The other wagons most of D1 were me and Creature and there was incredibly strong resistance to voting anyone else until Mac voted for Splints.
See, I actually liked Mac's reasoning on fingers slot, and was starting to TR him more and more...



And then he posted that he finds me scummy as I do not have a rational approach to the game...I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist.


And that's fuxkin ridiculous, nobody ever TRs me for being a rational player. Total BS, and there's more than 1 player currently alive who can attest to this fact
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:05 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Creature wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:04 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:54 pm Creature why is Falcon town?
I think falcon has been mostly trolling around (like intentionally tying wagons to spit Seanzie) and feels really careless.

Also my town list is comprised of players who I feel would have a hard time to fool us if they were wolves (except tutuu maybe) and the fact I've seen them mostly getting townread than wolfread so far makes me feel pretty good about them.
Uh, I purposely moved my vote around to avoid ties on wagons, whatchoo talking bout Willis?
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:06 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Creature wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:06 pm Oh I see Porscha's around.

Has Porscha been towny enough?
Not really IMO
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:09 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Creature wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:07 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:05 pm
Creature wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:04 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:54 pm Creature why is Falcon town?
I think falcon has been mostly trolling around (like intentionally tying wagons to spit Seanzie) and feels really careless.

Also my town list is comprised of players who I feel would have a hard time to fool us if they were wolves (except tutuu maybe) and the fact I've seen them mostly getting townread than wolfread so far makes me feel pretty good about them.
Uh, I purposely moved my vote around to avoid ties on wagons, whatchoo talking bout Willis?
I remember at some point near EOD1 you and Seanzie kept switching votes between the Alison and baudib1 wagon and I thought you were trolling Seanzie.
An unintended side effect? I didn't even notice that aspect
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:10 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Spacedaisy wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:08 pm
Dennis wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:53 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:35 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:26 pm can someone pull up the votecount at the end of day one for me please?
Spacedaisy wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:58 pm Day 1 Poll
Spoiler: show
fingersplints: 8
Alison
Baudib1
Bereft
lucy
MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle
staypositivefriend
tutuu

Alison: 6
falcon45ca
fingersplints
Jackofhearts2005
Neon
Roxy
sig

Baudib1: 2
DrWilgy
Seanzie

Roxy:
Creature
Dennis

Dennis : 1
Kate

Missed the Vote: 1
Porscha
I had to piece it back together as I neglected to save it in the middle of the chaos. I also edited it into the EoD 1 post so it can be found easily.
Wait I just looked back and my vote isn't there. I was on Roxy at EoD1 if I'm right
Good catch, thank you! I missed putting the Roxy votes in there. It has been corrected in the original post.
Maybe CNN was right about you after all!



Diabolical
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:11 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Bereft wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:47 pm
Bereft wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:45 pm Its pretty clear that we absolutely lost control over the game.
Sig's recasting of the Alison situation encapsulates that perfectly.
It all just looks mindless. Is Lucy/Mac/SPF not enough for you guys?
But. I dont actually know anyone who has the mileage besides tutuu to persuade how many ever town that actually boring established towncores of stronger players are good.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Chicken Little. Settle down.


We didn't have a N1 town death, so that's a plus. These kind of posts are inherently scummy, as they only serve to lower morale.
Perhaps Falcon actually believes things are going dandy.* At any rate, in the Falcon/DrWilgy pair, I'm currently of the mind to vote DrWilgy over Falcon.

*my immediate reaction to the Moon card being played was that wolves used it to chop Alison. I do think this is a reasonable kneejerk reaction and hence why I dont care for SPF's questioning of Creature's stated reasoning on roxy.
There's a big difference between dandy, and OH MY GAWD IT'S A FIRE...SALE!



annnnnnnd, scene
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:13 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

How would folks interpret Wilgy being re-directed onto a player and nothing negative happening to that player?
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:14 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Porscha wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:12 pm
Seanzie wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:50 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:44 pm Ok so @Seanzie I guess we would like you to clarify. Do you have mechanical information that indicate Mac and Jack are wolves?
no bro, don't you know that if I did I couldn't say it but hey it isn't the case anyway, so sit down and just drown in the fact that "Mac and Jack ate a shortstack of flapjacks in wolf chat" is a fact that I deduced by being a sleuth, reading the thread, using my head. No cards jarred these facts that I spread.
Are you able to elaborate on what lead you to that conclusion then pls
Why am I having a hard time seeing you as town this game?


It feels like you're here in body, but not spirit
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:20 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Bereft wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:15 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:11 pm
Bereft wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:10 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:47 pm
Bereft wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:45 pm Its pretty clear that we absolutely lost control over the game.
Sig's recasting of the Alison situation encapsulates that perfectly.
It all just looks mindless. Is Lucy/Mac/SPF not enough for you guys?
But. I dont actually know anyone who has the mileage besides tutuu to persuade how many ever town that actually boring established towncores of stronger players are good.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there Chicken Little. Settle down.


We didn't have a N1 town death, so that's a plus. These kind of posts are inherently scummy, as they only serve to lower morale.
Perhaps Falcon actually believes things are going dandy.* At any rate, in the Falcon/DrWilgy pair, I'm currently of the mind to vote DrWilgy over Falcon.

*my immediate reaction to the Moon card being played was that wolves used it to chop Alison. I do think this is a reasonable kneejerk reaction and hence why I dont care for SPF's questioning of Creature's stated reasoning on roxy.
There's a big difference between dandy, and OH MY GAWD IT'S A FIRE...SALE!



annnnnnnd, scene
My actual point is that wolves are probably gleeful right now and a wolf with this POV would need to do alot of twisting to respond in the manner you did so quickly.
Pfffft, I don't care about wolves and there BTS laughter. Fuck em', let's work together.


Do you think wolves are just sitting back? Or are they engaged in the thread and pushing?
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:23 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

Baudib1 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:18 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:16 pm Hello everyone.

EoD seemed like a clusterfuck.

Splints was a bad wagon, there was literally no data to gain from that last min wagon.
Wrong. Splints was a perfectly cromulent wagon. Allison was a bad wagon.
Dude, fingers was def LHF. Fo sho.


Alison was not LHF, but I wonder...did wolves push the wagon and then flip their Moon, or did town do the heavy lifting and scum sat and Mooned?
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:23 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

RondoDimBuckle wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:21 pm Are you guys fucking kidding me? You seriously killed Alison. I am so fucking pissed right now. I am done for now. Ill come back later If I can give a shit
[VOTE: rondo] aubergine
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:25 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Night 2]

Creature wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:23 pm Day 1 Poll

fingersplints: 8

Alison
Baudib1
Bereft
lucy
MacDougall
RondoDimBuckle
staypositivefriend
tutuu

Alison: 6

falcon45ca
fingersplints
Jackofhearts2005
Neon
Roxy
sig

Baudib1: 2

DrWilgy
Seanzie

Roxy:

Creature
Dennis

Dennis : 1

Kate/Sabiplz

Missed the Vote: 1

Porscha
Mark falcon down as Town for Alison. Trust me, I'm right about that guy.


So...Jack, Roxy, Sig. I find Sig towny, the other two we should pressure.
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:30 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

lucy wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:29 pm i am oracle, i have no idea why i'm facing so much opposition, what do you guys think about me being openly opposed and not listened to?

is it towny? is it scummy? what purpose does it serve?
Who do you feel are ignoring you the most?
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:37 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:51 pm Here have some reads from one of my alters lol.

Alison (she/her) - I have tinfoil but both my head and my gut say she is town in this game. There are just too many question marks I have towards basically all of her voters/detractors. Her play in and of itself has been kind of null for her so my read on her is mostly a read based on her treatment not her play.

Baudib1 (he/him) - Quite different. My feeling towards Baudib has been that I've largely agreed with most of everything he's said. His play has been a beacon of towniness. But when I do preflip wagonomics with my reads (yes, a bad idea), there is a lot more credibility for those who've been pushing him, than those who have been pushing Alison. It is quite possible that Baudib is a deepwolf who townsides as this is the first time I've played with him. Which would mean that he's shielding town (Creature, Alison) with TMI and the Alison pushers are actually working overtime to stop him from dying in spite of this. This is a bit far fetched. I do townread him and I think he believes his posts.

Bereft (he/him) - Seanzie has the right of it when he says bereft has kind of flown under the radar. They do seem to be appearing on the right side of matters, but they haven't really been a force in the game at all. I really didn't like the way they justified their Fingersplints vote.

Creature (he/him) - He's continued to have direct and confident reads which has been the basis for SPF's meta based scumread. The most recent was the "Baudib wagon is trash" read. Maybe there is something there. Baudib shielded Creature in a way that I did not like. I don't really understand anything Creature is doing in this game.

Dennis (he/him) - Continues to just feel like an island boy, just tryna make it.

DrWilgy (he/him) - Yes, it troubles me that his focus points have been misaligned to mine. Yes, his reads have felt wolfsiding. But the way he has reacted to me has been towny. Wilgy's frustration is palpable. He has town entitlement.

falcon45ca (he/him) - I do not really vibe with any of Falcon's reads. I have humoured him as town for some level 1 reasons, but upon reflection Falcon is more than capable of doing the things I've been townpinged on as mafia. It's mostly just been the moments where he has been aggressive in defending his perspectives, but really those moments have been kinda basic. What I usually like to look for from Falcon is ... rational behaviour. He doesn't post much, and as town he's just like ... pretty standard town. He catches a lot of flak for being sort of slanky as town, but there's never really any basis for it. I'm not really seeing town Falcon.

fingersplints (she/her) - I am very sure this is a hit. I reread their ISO several times. None of their reads feel real. They haven't explained any of their reads. They are townreading most of the sussiest slots in the game.

Jackofhearts2005 (he/him) - I really don't know. I don't agree with anything he's said really. I cannot make sense of him. He feels like he has to be mafia if Baudib and Alison are town? But ... what is the actual gameplan as mafia in just furiously pushing Alison?

Kate (she/her) - I don't really think Kate has been towny but I also kinda just gut townread her. There is a sincerity to the way they have self read themselves as town in this game. I can't really say anything substantial aside from this.

lucy (she/her) - Probably just the real Oracle. Lucy is being treated poorly in this game by at least a few town (and probably all of the mafia).

MacDougall (he/him) - A very obvious mafia. Should be wagoned.

Neon (she/her) - I have summarised how I feel this Neon differs from usual town Neon. I didn't actually answer her when she asked whether I think that this newfound confidence might stem from her doing well in an MU game because it feels like ... well no it shouldn't but I guess it can? I think she is town now though. Just ... it's also that I don't. *sigh*

Porscha (she/her) - Will need scrutiny day 2. The conversation about Porscha being polarised hasn't really been had, and that's probably a good thing cuz I'm sick of having it every single god damn day 1. Porscha will become obvious on day 2 imo. They have set a day 1 benchmark that they will drop off from if they are mafia, and leap forward from if they are town. So if I die, do keep an eye on that. It's all about the effort level.

RondoDimBuckle (any/Rondo) - I am highly suspicious. Fingersplints might have spewed Rondo mafia, and his Oracle play is fucking weird. All his play is weird actually. Kinda think he voted FS before as a pre-emptive bus.

Roxy (she/her) - I actually really think Roxy is town lol. Lucy made a case earlier that I think makes sense to listen to and trust. But I really loved the shade she just directed at Sig. That was really towny. Roxy just feels like a town that has kind of ... been accidentally scummy in Alison's perspectives.

Seanzie (he/him or they/them) - Quite towny. Has not been appeasing but he's also been scrunitising things in a believable way. He doesn't really feel like he has an agenda aside from discovery.

sig (he/him) - I thought sig was super scummy early on but then he kinda pocketed me with his snark. Then he kinda just kept making play that kinda didn't resonate, all fucking day. Then he ended up sort of sneakily being on the Alison wagon despite not being an exponent. Then he defended Fingersplints in the scummiest way possible lol. Also FS townread him early on for nothing.

staypositivefriend (she/her) - I townread SPF, but like it's pretty well known at this point my SPF read is super hot garbage so should never been trusted. Especially don't let SPF cite my read as legacy please. Like @staypositivefriend if you do you are outed, don't do it. Don't even mention it. That said, SPF has felt like a force for good. I haven't had any pings which is kinda cool lol.

tutuu (any) - Probably one of my stronger townreads. I really loved their readslist with the funny nicknames haha. It reminded me of the way I do readslists sometimes. I vibe with a lot of their thots.

Good luck town and god speed. @Mafia, ur shit.
Flagrantly misrepresenting?


That is grade A baloney, and I happen to know they don't have baloney in Australia due to hatred of Italian processed meat.


You sir are either on some kick ass drugs, or you're Maf.


There may be a 3rd option, but I doubt it
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:38 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:33 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:23 pm
Baudib1 wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:18 pm
DrWilgy wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:16 pm Hello everyone.

EoD seemed like a clusterfuck.

Splints was a bad wagon, there was literally no data to gain from that last min wagon.
Wrong. Splints was a perfectly cromulent wagon. Allison was a bad wagon.
Dude, fingers was def LHF. Fo sho.


Alison was not LHF, but I wonder...did wolves push the wagon and then flip their Moon, or did town do the heavy lifting and scum sat and Mooned?
you literally just said you liked my reasons for suspecting her
I did, but it also doesn't change the fact that fingers is LHF. The two are not mutually exclusive
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:39 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 3]

MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:38 pm
Creature wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:35 pm Noting that the Baudib creature lucy endorsed roxy wagon has Mac and Dennis voting for it and nobody else.
Thoughts on the following?

Bereft
Denise
falcon45ca
town
town
mafia
You've lost your Macradar on my slot, and it saddens me..like a Spandau Ballet song
by falcon45ca
Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:41 pm
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Re: Cartomancy [Day 1]

MacDougall wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sat Jan 07, 2023 10:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:51 pm Here have some reads from one of my alters lol.

Alison (she/her) - I have tinfoil but both my head and my gut say she is town in this game. There are just too many question marks I have towards basically all of her voters/detractors. Her play in and of itself has been kind of null for her so my read on her is mostly a read based on her treatment not her play.

Baudib1 (he/him) - Quite different. My feeling towards Baudib has been that I've largely agreed with most of everything he's said. His play has been a beacon of towniness. But when I do preflip wagonomics with my reads (yes, a bad idea), there is a lot more credibility for those who've been pushing him, than those who have been pushing Alison. It is quite possible that Baudib is a deepwolf who townsides as this is the first time I've played with him. Which would mean that he's shielding town (Creature, Alison) with TMI and the Alison pushers are actually working overtime to stop him from dying in spite of this. This is a bit far fetched. I do townread him and I think he believes his posts.

Bereft (he/him) - Seanzie has the right of it when he says bereft has kind of flown under the radar. They do seem to be appearing on the right side of matters, but they haven't really been a force in the game at all. I really didn't like the way they justified their Fingersplints vote.

Creature (he/him) - He's continued to have direct and confident reads which has been the basis for SPF's meta based scumread. The most recent was the "Baudib wagon is trash" read. Maybe there is something there. Baudib shielded Creature in a way that I did not like. I don't really understand anything Creature is doing in this game.

Dennis (he/him) - Continues to just feel like an island boy, just tryna make it.

DrWilgy (he/him) - Yes, it troubles me that his focus points have been misaligned to mine. Yes, his reads have felt wolfsiding. But the way he has reacted to me has been towny. Wilgy's frustration is palpable. He has town entitlement.

falcon45ca (he/him) - I do not really vibe with any of Falcon's reads. I have humoured him as town for some level 1 reasons, but upon reflection Falcon is more than capable of doing the things I've been townpinged on as mafia. It's mostly just been the moments where he has been aggressive in defending his perspectives, but really those moments have been kinda basic. What I usually like to look for from Falcon is ... rational behaviour. He doesn't post much, and as town he's just like ... pretty standard town. He catches a lot of flak for being sort of slanky as town, but there's never really any basis for it. I'm not really seeing town Falcon.

fingersplints (she/her) - I am very sure this is a hit. I reread their ISO several times. None of their reads feel real. They haven't explained any of their reads. They are townreading most of the sussiest slots in the game.

Jackofhearts2005 (he/him) - I really don't know. I don't agree with anything he's said really. I cannot make sense of him. He feels like he has to be mafia if Baudib and Alison are town? But ... what is the actual gameplan as mafia in just furiously pushing Alison?

Kate (she/her) - I don't really think Kate has been towny but I also kinda just gut townread her. There is a sincerity to the way they have self read themselves as town in this game. I can't really say anything substantial aside from this.

lucy (she/her) - Probably just the real Oracle. Lucy is being treated poorly in this game by at least a few town (and probably all of the mafia).

MacDougall (he/him) - A very obvious mafia. Should be wagoned.

Neon (she/her) - I have summarised how I feel this Neon differs from usual town Neon. I didn't actually answer her when she asked whether I think that this newfound confidence might stem from her doing well in an MU game because it feels like ... well no it shouldn't but I guess it can? I think she is town now though. Just ... it's also that I don't. *sigh*

Porscha (she/her) - Will need scrutiny day 2. The conversation about Porscha being polarised hasn't really been had, and that's probably a good thing cuz I'm sick of having it every single god damn day 1. Porscha will become obvious on day 2 imo. They have set a day 1 benchmark that they will drop off from if they are mafia, and leap forward from if they are town. So if I die, do keep an eye on that. It's all about the effort level.

RondoDimBuckle (any/Rondo) - I am highly suspicious. Fingersplints might have spewed Rondo mafia, and his Oracle play is fucking weird. All his play is weird actually. Kinda think he voted FS before as a pre-emptive bus.

Roxy (she/her) - I actually really think Roxy is town lol. Lucy made a case earlier that I think makes sense to listen to and trust. But I really loved the shade she just directed at Sig. That was really towny. Roxy just feels like a town that has kind of ... been accidentally scummy in Alison's perspectives.

Seanzie (he/him or they/them) - Quite towny. Has not been appeasing but he's also been scrunitising things in a believable way. He doesn't really feel like he has an agenda aside from discovery.

sig (he/him) - I thought sig was super scummy early on but then he kinda pocketed me with his snark. Then he kinda just kept making play that kinda didn't resonate, all fucking day. Then he ended up sort of sneakily being on the Alison wagon despite not being an exponent. Then he defended Fingersplints in the scummiest way possible lol. Also FS townread him early on for nothing.

staypositivefriend (she/her) - I townread SPF, but like it's pretty well known at this point my SPF read is super hot garbage so should never been trusted. Especially don't let SPF cite my read as legacy please. Like @staypositivefriend if you do you are outed, don't do it. Don't even mention it. That said, SPF has felt like a force for good. I haven't had any pings which is kinda cool lol.

tutuu (any) - Probably one of my stronger townreads. I really loved their readslist with the funny nicknames haha. It reminded me of the way I do readslists sometimes. I vibe with a lot of their thots.

Good luck town and god speed. @Mafia, ur shit.
Flagrantly misrepresenting?


That is grade A baloney, and I happen to know they don't have baloney in Australia due to hatred of Italian processed meat.


You sir are either on some kick ass drugs, or you're Maf.


There may be a 3rd option, but I doubt it
read the first sentence
I do not vibe with his reads, and I don't find falcon rational are so so so not the same.



Is it LSD? DMT? MDMA? CIA?

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