The Syndicate

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:05 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm Players are no longer be able to remaster their songs (edit their posts).

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:12 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:10 pm Holy fuck, look at Nutz awards...tight



Sabi, sup'? You quoted me, buuuuuut...nuffin'. Got something on your mind?

Did my gif not work?

Damn it

https://media.tenor.com/kGekz062mwgAAAA ... ckroll.gif

DeeZees wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:26 pm So im mega drunk posting and i think nutellas treatment of me is most v

Shes kinda just tolersting me without forcing a read on me or trying to force content. I think theres liggt sussing but shes not trying to showcase belief etc

I particulrly compare to last game where it was obv she did

Mac has told me she has more range than expected so obvs not locked in

But my first town read

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 8:00 pm

DeeZees wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:55 pm Yh falcon wolfy

- pop in
- joke vote
- turns joke vote real
- ghosts

Vibes of forced solving and fear of rvs

My two reads:
Nut v

Falcon w

You know what, I looked at his ISO and I agree

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:06 pm Seven pages already. I'm gonna need a bunch of cocaine and bell peppers to play this game, aren't I.

Valentine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:12 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:10 pm Inaw using vibes to read me when they've never played with me before and thus have no vibe context is so absurd it's quite likely town

do u think ur Immune to vibe reads without prior context? :?

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:16 pm Cape, you have Falcon thoughts, so read my Falcon thoughts and tell me if my thoughts don't make sense plz

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:14 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:10 pm Inaw using vibes to read me when they've never played with me before and thus have no vibe context is so absurd it's quite likely town

1) We have played together haha, 2) I walked back the vibe read after thinking about it, and stated it in the post, 3) I am back on you now, but same destination different train; I have a content read and I explained why I think that content, in-context, looks scummy coming from you

throwing shade at my ability to be trustworthy and accurate with my reads while you also throw a deescalating townread on me is really funny ngl because it looks like you're trying to placate me to get me off your back

Valentine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:20 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:16 pm

Valentine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:12 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:10 pm Inaw using vibes to read me when they've never played with me before and thus have no vibe context is so absurd it's quite likely town

do u think ur Immune to vibe reads without prior context? :?

No.


Do I think vibe reading a player with 0 history at the start of the game is a strong strat for Maf hunting?


No.


It's such a weak strat, it's prolly town

hmmm i think i just don't like this like. idk it feels like Downplay of the read i guess? method? because i disagree and think how a person like sounds in thread can be supremely useful

idk if this reply even matters since it ultimately just is like me going ...yeah! but U know. contribution

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:24 pm I'm too fixated on you rn for you to qualify for my greatest contribution to D1's ever, but yes i would consider myself a very accurate SR when it counts because of the way I SR

Valentine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:24 pm

Valentine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:20 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:16 pm

Valentine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:12 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:10 pm Inaw using vibes to read me when they've never played with me before and thus have no vibe context is so absurd it's quite likely town

do u think ur Immune to vibe reads without prior context? :?

No.


Do I think vibe reading a player with 0 history at the start of the game is a strong strat for Maf hunting?


No.


It's such a weak strat, it's prolly town

hmmm i think i just don't like this like. idk it feels like Downplay of the read i guess? method? because i disagree and think how a person like sounds in thread can be supremely useful

idk if this reply even matters since it ultimately just is like me going ...yeah! but U know. contribution

Do you think, or do you know?



Cuz you're pushing my slot quite timidly based off anothers poor read on my slot.


And make no mistake, I am not trying to downplay the read on my slot, I am openly saying it's a tee ball league way to read me.

i think! i don't really communicate in like. concrete much.
i also don't rlly think this constitutes a push? :? your wording around it feels a little prickly

Valentine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:37 pm oh noooo, a wagon, whatever will i do

Valentine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:38 pm

Valentine wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:37 pm oh noooo, a wagon, whatever will i do

Prolly post something to make it seem as tho you're non-plussed

Ur right because if i get run up enough i claim and then wagon moves away

i have a gene that makes me incapable of caring about wagons as town. Did i mention i'm town

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:39 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:30 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:25 pm Falcon is my only solid town read

Billboard town.

I'm still catching up, so you might have said so already, but can you elaborate on your read?

Almost every game I have played on here (7) I think, Falcon has been in.

Falcon is burnt out from randing mafia to the point he will not engage with the game and just shit post.

The fact he's engaged and showing passion just means he town.

He's polarized tocthe extreme

Inawordyes wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:42 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:39 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:30 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:25 pm Falcon is my only solid town read

Billboard town.

I'm still catching up, so you might have said so already, but can you elaborate on your read?

Almost every game I have played on here (7) I think, Falcon has been in.

Falcon is burnt out from randing mafia to the point he will not engage with the game and just shit post.

The fact he's engaged and showing passion just means he town.

He's polarized tocthe extreme

is casually making personal remarks about players he's responding to when he doesn't agree with them in every post addressed to or about them justfalconthings™ as well?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:46 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:43 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:41 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:39 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:30 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:25 pm Falcon is my only solid town read

Billboard town.

I'm still catching up, so you might have said so already, but can you elaborate on your read?

Almost every game I have played on here (7) I think, Falcon has been in.

Falcon is burnt out from randing mafia to the point he will not engage with the game and just shit post.

The fact he's engaged and showing passion just means he town.

He's polarized tocthe extreme

falcon pretty much fooled me in the baseball game.

Was that before or during his mafia burn out. Saga?

The game happened in June.

tbh I was tired of seeing falcon get mislynched every game and he seemed fine in that game so I just ignored him. The game was also a shitwreck and most players there weren't playing.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:40 pm Nobody in this game has good music taste

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:24 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:16 pm I find it hard to believe that all y'all busy and got plans on a Friday night, and that I'm the only loser at home on his own playing Mafia.



C'mon, who's out here with me?

I'm watching baseball and hunting coelacanth in animal crossing.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:25 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:16 pm I find it hard to believe that all y'all busy and got plans on a Friday night, and that I'm the only loser at home on his own playing Mafia.



C'mon, who's out here with me?

I'm here and don't know what to say lol

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:11 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:36 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:24 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:16 pm I find it hard to believe that all y'all busy and got plans on a Friday night, and that I'm the only loser at home on his own playing Mafia.



C'mon, who's out here with me?

I'm watching baseball and hunting coelacanth in animal crossing.

'Stros or Phillies?



I have not played Animal Crossing, tho my son owns it...too busy dominating Last of Us rn

Phillies for sure
I rooted for the *Stros in 2017 b/c Verlander was my Tiger and I wanted him to get a ring. Now it's tarnished and I can't root for them.
Also the Phillies have the best facial hair of any team

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.

The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:40 am Also here is my bullshit:

Spoiler: show

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:57 am I'm getting a vague vibe from IAWY. If we're going on trying too hard, a lot of their posts feel that way to me. They say they're coming from another site, so maybe that's more their playing culture, but something feels right and I don't know how to articulate it at the moment. It's two full American hours past pop-pop's bedtime, and my mental capacity is flaking away.

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:51 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:51 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.

The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill

Interesting white knighting here.



Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?

Going to do something I generally dislike & jump in on this comment directed toward someone else- i think "white knighting" has some pretty strong connotations and i think it's worth going into detail abt what exactly you're observing in Chelseas posts

like, what function do you think it's serving here

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:36 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:25 am

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 10:51 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:51 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.

The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill

Interesting white knighting here.



Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?

Going to do something I generally dislike & jump in on this comment directed toward someone else- i think "white knighting" has some pretty strong connotations and i think it's worth going into detail abt what exactly you're observing in Chelseas posts

like, what function do you think it's serving here

Chelsea coming to the rescue of players for situations that haven't even happened....or at least, no examples given. It looks like a post a wolf might make to say "hey! I'm here to help town!" It's not game state related, and as I said there's no actual examples given of what she'll defend or is looking to prevent.


Just vaguery... "I'll help the awk town!"

God forbid town play preventatively

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:42 am Search found 65 matches: awkward

Search found 5 matches: awk


Again, "coming to the rescue" feels pretty strong given what you're actually responding to.
YMMV on how much pushing there's been, but it's like def not a stretch to imagine town seeing the several posts in thread expressing some level of skepticism/wariness around awkwardness, anticipating the (bad) direction that might steer the phase in, and like, saying something abt it.

&like it's fine to speculate or even prioritize your concern over the opposite world, where that's just wolf fronting, but I don't think your remarks on her slot are nearly as grounded in the thread content as hers are, and I think her posts are a lot more grounded than your post suggests, even if she didn't go so far as to compile the examples upfront

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:42 am Search found 65 matches: awkward

Search found 5 matches: awk


Again, "coming to the rescue" feels pretty strong given what you're actually responding to.
YMMV on how much pushing there's been, but it's like def not a stretch to imagine town seeing the several posts in thread expressing some level of skepticism/wariness around awkwardness, anticipating the (bad) direction that might steer the phase in, and like, saying something abt it.

&like it's fine to speculate or even prioritize your concern over the opposite world, where that's just wolf fronting, but I don't think your remarks on her slot are nearly as grounded in the thread content as hers are, and I think her posts are a lot more grounded than your post suggests, even if she didn't go so far as to compile the examples upfront

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:55 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:47 am

Schiavetto wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:42 am Search found 65 matches: awkward

Search found 5 matches: awk


Again, "coming to the rescue" feels pretty strong given what you're actually responding to.
YMMV on how much pushing there's been, but it's like def not a stretch to imagine town seeing the several posts in thread expressing some level of skepticism/wariness around awkwardness, anticipating the (bad) direction that might steer the phase in, and like, saying something abt it.

&like it's fine to speculate or even prioritize your concern over the opposite world, where that's just wolf fronting, but I don't think your remarks on her slot are nearly as grounded in the thread content as hers are, and I think her posts are a lot more grounded than your post suggests, even if she didn't go so far as to compile the examples upfront

Searching & finding instances of the word awkward doesn't mean that players have been pushed for being awkward. For instance, we've now used the word several times & not been making pushes based off awkwardness of player interactions. In your opinion, are players this game actually being pushed because they are awkward?



Ya know, sometimes people create the problem, just so they can solve it.




I do feel you and I are getting slightly bogged down in minutiae, and I find that towny

My point is that the examples are there if you want to find them.
I addressed the bit abt differences in perceived strength of the word "push" - regardless of intensity/follow-through it's not hard to imagine how someone might get there.
Bold from you is wolfy, handwaves stated issues w/ your progression but concedes a TR

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:51 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.

The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill

Interesting white knighting here.



Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?

I don't think I'm white-knighting anyone here, where exactly did that come from? At the time, I remember some dude called out being awk again and after seeing it at least three times, I started getting fed up with the comment because I feel that's a horrible base for any sort of read as I stated.

It also does serve as a blanket statement although do I really think we're going to push "X" because they're super awk? From the looks of it we're past it so hopefully not.

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:00 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:51 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.

The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill

Interesting white knighting here.



Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?

I don't think I'm white-knighting anyone here, where exactly did that come from? At the time, I remember some dude called out being awk again and after seeing it at least three times, I started getting fed up with the comment because I feel that's a horrible base for any sort of read as I stated.

It also does serve as a blanket statement although do I really think we're going to push "X" because they're super awk? From the looks of it we're past it so hopefully not.

Did you "shut it down"? I mean, it doesn't even seem like you remember the player it was happening too...did you step in and call an end to the push based off awkwardness?

I remember seeing multiple people talk about it in my catchup and then when it happened in real time I rolled my eyes and made the post. Honestly, it's just that simple. I don't think me remembering the exact details is important what so ever to the conversation at hand.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:04 pm It would seem there's some confusion on what I mean/meant by "white knighting":


White Knighting is when an individual inserts themselves into a situation with the sole purpose of making themselves look good.


I do feel Chelsea did this, and I don't think it's particularly towny.

That is not the usual meaning

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:08 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:04 pm It would seem there's some confusion on what I mean/meant by "white knighting":


White Knighting is when an individual inserts themselves into a situation with the sole purpose of making themselves look good.


I do feel Chelsea did this, and I don't think it's particularly towny.

That's not what White knighting is in my experience but I don't think you're wrong that I did insert myself into the conversation because it was annoying me that it was happening. It's up to others to think if it's villagery/wolfy but I'm not really wanting to go down this conversation topic because I'm not worried nor do I really think the effort is worth it to go over a throw away post I made in semi-annoyance kek

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:04 pm It would seem there's some confusion on what I mean/meant by "white knighting":


White Knighting is when an individual inserts themselves into a situation with the sole purpose of making themselves look good.


I do feel Chelsea did this, and I don't think it's particularly towny.

Can you expand on why you don't think it's particularly towny?

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:07 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:00 pm

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 12:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 9:51 am

Chelsea wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:24 am If I see someone trying to push someone based on how awk they are I'm shutting that down because that's such a weak excuse and screams pushing LHF for no reason cause you can't think of a good excuse.

The only time someone can be pushed for being awk and its wolfy is if their meta is so polarizing that you can figure out if they're town or wolf based off like 10 posts and I doubt anyone fits that bill

Interesting white knighting here.



Do you have specific examples you've observed in this game, or is this just a blanket warning?

I don't think I'm white-knighting anyone here, where exactly did that come from? At the time, I remember some dude called out being awk again and after seeing it at least three times, I started getting fed up with the comment because I feel that's a horrible base for any sort of read as I stated.

It also does serve as a blanket statement although do I really think we're going to push "X" because they're super awk? From the looks of it we're past it so hopefully not.

Did you "shut it down"? I mean, it doesn't even seem like you remember the player it was happening too...did you step in and call an end to the push based off awkwardness?

I remember seeing multiple people talk about it in my catchup and then when it happened in real time I rolled my eyes and made the post. Honestly, it's just that simple. I don't think me remembering the exact details is important what so ever to the conversation at hand.

I mean, if I saw something that bothered me ITT...especially after I make a blanket statement about how I won't stand for that kind of gameplay, you can bet I would remember the details. But hey...



Perhaps that's just me

My apologizes I will make sure to write down every little note so I can get every detail correct for you next time.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:19 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:11 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:04 pm It would seem there's some confusion on what I mean/meant by "white knighting":


White Knighting is when an individual inserts themselves into a situation with the sole purpose of making themselves look good.


I do feel Chelsea did this, and I don't think it's particularly towny.

Can you expand on why you don't think it's particularly towny?

Cuz' town shouldn't & often don't care about this. Maf do tho

I mean arogrant town, ego heavy town, etc tend to do that so that's why I'm asking. They want to big up themselves to be leader. So I don't think it's necessarily that black and white.

Do I think Chelsea fits that mold? From what I have specced in cats vs dogs and another game (one was town Ave the other was maf), she's very confident and boastful regardless of her alignment.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:46 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:32 pm

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:25 pm I’m hoping Strawhenge is town because they are recapping peoples ISOs so I don’t have to read the game.

Mvp

I don't like that strategy.

People can manipulate iso wall post cases to fit their agenda. Not mention things or over mention things or just purposely misread things.

I rather you read the iso themselves.

Yeah I was being sarcastic. I live with too much paranoia to trust other people’s opinion of the game

Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:32 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:17 pm

Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:57 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 2:40 pm How is daughter omega town? Can you explain that read.

i don't really get the sense daughter... has a lot of stake in what happens? like it's early on but she's just posting and living her best life. there's no urgency to establish herself

How is not posting any thoughts about the game towny tho? I would assume the lack of stake is wolf motivated.

I am not getting how any of this is legitimate read

daughter's posted a few but they're peppered in.

i'm ... kind of confused how you don't think this is legitimate because the logic feels apparent to me? wolf need to control gamestate to push lims. if person not exerting tons of pressure, and they're not like, prone to completely freezing/inept at posting as wolf, is more likely to be town.

like i don't even feel like it's coasting because daughter is being more blatant about it. "when will i post game related post." is the motivation as a wolf saying something like that to just be... a cheeky, aloof wolf? it doesn't really sit with me as something i believe in.

Valentine wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:46 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 3:44 pm Valentine, talk to us about your scum reads. Can you give us a couple blurbs as to why for each?




Cuz' ya got a fair number of names.

after i done gaming but it will not be much

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 1:10 pm Re: iawy, it could just be that I strongly disagree with his reasoning on falcon and won't see eye to eye there, but I really didn't like how he retroactively justified it. He seemed to select falcon as LHF, then when it was pointed out to him that falcon was not just devoid of content he backpedaled and pulled something out of the content he could justify as a wolf read (and it was little more than "he omgused dz") that I find it hard to believe he really believes in. I'd like to see IAWY engage in more depth with other slots and react organically to developments rather than sticking his feet in one outdated push.

As a side note falcon and chelsea are possibly my two top town atm and I hope they don't clog the thread arguing

IBA wrote: ↑Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:38 pm This is entirely too many posts for this thread to have at this point