The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Dec 12, 2022 10:41 pm I’m really sorry to see Scotty go. He was a good doc, he saved some people I think.

As I said, after lecturing during the last day about friendship blinders, I’m going to doublecheck mine. The last EOD was weird.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:53 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:52 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:47 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:44 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:42 pm I disagree, I am making sure Lucy goes over today and I am not voting her

But you're not the one saying you are committed to doing what SVS wants, which again is super fuckin weird to say.

No, it’s not. Rondo had it exactly right.

I should be allowed to vote my own gut when the result is in no doubt.

Go ahead and vote your gut, I already said that's reasonable.


But if you want to act like there's no possible doubt in what could happen re: today's lynch as you actively try and start a flash wagon, well then self delusion is a powerful thing I guess.

Is it self delusion or is it that I have an accurate read on my friends?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:47 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:44 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:42 pm I disagree, I am making sure Lucy goes over today and I am not voting her

But you're not the one saying you are committed to doing what SVS wants, which again is super fuckin weird to say.

No, it’s not. Rondo had it exactly right.

I should be allowed to vote my own gut when the result is in no doubt.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:44 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:43 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:39 pm Am I the only one who finds it incredibly strange that Golden feels we have a strong town core while we've had 1 correct lynch in 4 days?


There is no way the town core should be considered strong in this game state

Anyone else think engaging golden not on his logic for why he thinks there’s a string town core, but only on a statistic, is disingenuous?

Falcon has been trying to wolfpaint me [/b]all game lol.

Pot, meet kettle.


You're really have almost no self awareness, do you?

hey dont steal my line, I just used it on Neon. Get your own quips

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:42 pm I disagree, I am making sure Lucy goes over today and I am not voting her

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:39 pm Am I the only one who finds it incredibly strange that Golden feels we have a strong town core while we've had 1 correct lynch in 4 days?


There is no way the town core should be considered strong in this game state

Anyone else think engaging golden not on his logic for why he thinks there’s a string town core, but only on a statistic, is disingenuous?

Falcon has been trying to wolfpaint me [/b]all game lol.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:36 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:22 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:17 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The result isn’t in doubt and I’d rather be here.

What does this even mean?

I am not sure why you are so resistant to a Lucy vote.

How likely is Golden to be bad in a world where falcon is civ and Lucy is bad?

Jesus. I worked my butt off for this elimination for two days for this? I give the fuck up.

I do not understand how you can say or think I am resistant to a Lucy vote.

I have bent over backwards to make sure you get your way today and I will again.

Haha, bent over backwards...while you move off lucy.



Do you hear yourself? That is the opposite of bending over backwards, that is literally doing what she does not want you to do.



If you just don't want to "make sure she gets her way"...which is just fucking weird anyways...that's one thing.


But don't act like you're doing her a favor while you do the exact opposite

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:29 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:27 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:27 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:25 pm I just want my vote to be on my highest suspect. That’s it.

I mean…you’ve been pretty vocal all day that you suspect falcon. This is all so very odd

Yes I have, 100% so SVS should not be upset at me for voting that way.

I’m arguing semantics that you voting for falcon because he’s your highest suspect while also bending over backwards to make sure SVs gets her way is confused.jpg

I do not like that Scotty and Falcons arguments are identical. Read into that what you will

I dont know whats hard to get. Golden will make sure lucy goes over. For posterities sake he wants to vote Falcon. Both can be true. If everyone got off Lucy he would jump back on. I can read that from what he is saying. why cant you two?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:33 pm Falcon actually showed up and committed to a self-prez and for me that’s valuable info and gives me a hmm.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:24 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:22 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:17 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The result isn’t in doubt and I’d rather be here.

What does this even mean?

I am not sure why you are so resistant to a Lucy vote.

How likely is Golden to be bad in a world where falcon is civ and Lucy is bad?

Jesus. I worked my butt off for this elimination for two days for this? I give the fuck up.

I do not understand how you can say or think I am resistant to a Lucy vote.

I have bent over backwards to make sure you get your way today and I will again.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:22 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 9:17 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

The result isn’t in doubt and I’d rather be here.

What does this even mean?

I am not sure why you are so resistant to a Lucy vote.

How likely is Golden to be bad in a world where falcon is civ and Lucy is bad?

Jesus. I worked my butt off for this elimination for two days for this? I give the fuck up.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Dec 11, 2022 7:22 pm How to take a sure win and turn it into a loss

A playbook.

Step 1. Preflip a player a as wolf

Step 2. Solve only in worlds where player a is wolf

Step 3. Don't be paranoid of why there's been little to no push back in hours.

Step 4. Spend hours fucking around while waiting for EoD because the wagon isn't changing anyways because nobody cares.

Step 5. Ignore the fact that player A is level 0 and everything fits together way to cleanly.

Step 6. Player A flips town. Nobody reevaluates

Step 7. Accuse player C of tmi for being the only one to TR player A

Step 8. Kill player C.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:29 pm Oh my Lanta, Seanzie is stuck in a Groundhog Day loop!



He must learn a life lesson, before he be set free

Any guesses on what lesson I need to learn?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:24 pm I once again plan on drinking tonight, cuz I didn't actually last night...I fell asleep cuz of advanced old age.


BUT! I shall be doing some wagonomics tomorrow, believe that

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:23 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:57 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:09 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:21 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:47 pm

Jack (my twin, and who was in Neon's slot) seemed uninterested, and he probably would've been more engaged if he was mafia. Especially with Mata as a partner according to SVS. Neon has also done a ton of analysis, but with her recent 'Hmmmm...'ing I am rethinking that, seeing as she appeared more noting of my 'Rip mom lol' joke than my list, I was looking forward to hearing her actual thoughts.

I don't know your brother, but I do know neon and neon is in her wolf range

I tried to explain this to everyone like 10 years ago, but no one listened.

Perhaps, but your energy level is not high, and there's a lack of urgency.


I'm unsurprised you've been ignored at times, how bout you?

yeah, fair enough.

what do you think of Neon?

Neon earlier expressed a TRish on my slot that I felt was only half warranted. It certainly felt better than Mahats take on my slot, but it pinged me ever so slightly.


GTH she's town, but I also believe she needs pressure to show her true colors.

I don't know, her townread of you seem's genuine. You're an easy read.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:08 pm @falcon45ca how's it goin' there, buddy?

Can't complain, you?

Oh, I'm great!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:16 pm I just reviewed Ducktails.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:57 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:09 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:21 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:35 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:01 pm Weee rainbow list!!
Me
Golden
SVS
Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon

Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.

Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.

Have it all, y'all

Why do you have neon so high?

Actually I could potentially switch to Roxy here I haven't seen any impactful play from that slot I keep forgetting it exists

Jack (my twin, and who was in Neon's slot) seemed uninterested, and he probably would've been more engaged if he was mafia. Especially with Mata as a partner according to SVS. Neon has also done a ton of analysis, but with her recent 'Hmmmm...'ing I am rethinking that, seeing as she appeared more noting of my 'Rip mom lol' joke than my list, I was looking forward to hearing her actual thoughts.

I don't know your brother, but I do know neon and neon is in her wolf range

I tried to explain this to everyone like 10 years ago, but no one listened.

Perhaps, but your energy level is not high, and there's a lack of urgency.


I'm unsurprised you've been ignored at times, how bout you?

yeah, fair enough.

what do you think of Neon?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:08 pm @falcon45ca how's it goin' there, buddy?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:09 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:21 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:35 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:01 pm Weee rainbow list!!
Me
Golden
SVS
Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon

Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.

Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.

Have it all, y'all

Why do you have neon so high?

Actually I could potentially switch to Roxy here I haven't seen any impactful play from that slot I keep forgetting it exists

Jack (my twin, and who was in Neon's slot) seemed uninterested, and he probably would've been more engaged if he was mafia. Especially with Mata as a partner according to SVS. Neon has also done a ton of analysis, but with her recent 'Hmmmm...'ing I am rethinking that, seeing as she appeared more noting of my 'Rip mom lol' joke than my list, I was looking forward to hearing her actual thoughts.

I don't know your brother, but I do know neon and neon is in her wolf range

I tried to explain this to everyone like 10 years ago, but no one listened.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:34 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:24 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:21 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:35 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:01 pm Weee rainbow list!!
Me
Golden
SVS
Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon

Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.

Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.

Have it all, y'all

Why do you have neon so high?

Actually I could potentially switch to Roxy here I haven't seen any impactful play from that slot I keep forgetting it exists

Jack (my twin, and who was in Neon's slot) seemed uninterested, and he probably would've been more engaged if he was mafia. Especially with Mata as a partner according to SVS. Neon has also done a ton of analysis, but with her recent 'Hmmmm...'ing I am rethinking that, seeing as she appeared more noting of my 'Rip mom lol' joke than my list, I was looking forward to hearing her actual thoughts.

I don't know your brother, but I do know neon and neon is in her wolf range

Oh. Well I don't know what Neon's wolf range looks like, but I do know Jack and I'm confident in saying he was not playing how I imagine he would if he was bad.

Is Jack a polarized player in your experience?



Is he incapable of playing "not like you'd imagine if bad", and what is the difference between his wolf game and his town game?

He's only ever been in 1 game, this one. I don't know what either of his styles look like until the end of this game. The differences with my experience in Jack are all from Among Us. He's more aggressive when he's bad in that so I assume he would've been more engaged, at the very least. Though, I don't like using other games as comparison, especially Among Us, because this game takes much brainpower than screaming 'RED SUS!!! I SAW HIM DO IT!!!'.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:24 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 8:21 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:35 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:01 pm Weee rainbow list!!
Me
Golden
SVS
Scotty/Neon
Rondo
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints/Lucy
Falcon

Roxy is townlean because she's not been able to have a conversation but all of her reads feel genuine.

Seanzie would be way lower if I didn't trust Golden. I'm not entirely convinced by the whole 'doc Seanzie' claim and if someone else flips Doc then everything has to be reconsidered.

Have it all, y'all

Why do you have neon so high?

Actually I could potentially switch to Roxy here I haven't seen any impactful play from that slot I keep forgetting it exists

Jack (my twin, and who was in Neon's slot) seemed uninterested, and he probably would've been more engaged if he was mafia. Especially with Mata as a partner according to SVS. Neon has also done a ton of analysis, but with her recent 'Hmmmm...'ing I am rethinking that, seeing as she appeared more noting of my 'Rip mom lol' joke than my list, I was looking forward to hearing her actual thoughts.

I don't know your brother, but I do know neon and neon is in her wolf range

Oh. Well I don't know what Neon's wolf range looks like, but I do know Jack and I'm confident in saying he was not playing how I imagine he would if he was bad.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 6:20 pm I'm kind of surprised no one has accused me of taking refuge in audacity.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 1:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:37 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:08 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:58 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:55 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:51 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:50 pm

Marmot always rands Mafia but will sometimes use priv to edit flips before anyone sees them.

(as I'm not aware of the climate of this game and it's players, please note this is entirely satire)

You coming into this thread is like a cold breeze blowing in on a hot day to aerate the undercarriage under my kilt. Appreciate your energy, doc

Scotty is officially a flirty pockety pock

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:50 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:44 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:52 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:34 am

I learned something new here. I thought "Alignment Indicative" meant in general, like say posting a lot of OT, or asking a lot of questions, *in general* is not AI. I did not realize it is a specific thing for an individual. Like I would say "AI" in general, and "AI for Scotty" if I was comparing it to his specific meta. I've been using it wrong.

IME it means both/could mean either depending on context.

Thank you, that’s what I thought. It just seemed that Scotty was implying Dennis misused the term so it confused me.

I have mixed feels on Scotty. I know he plays a very analytical game, and there’s not much to analyze before the first elimination. So I’m low keying my expectations of him a bit until Day 2.

But he also seems to be on the same thing as Lucy re Dennis, albeit on a lesser scale. That bothers me a bit. Sabiplz said she thinks Scotty’s buddying me. I didn’t get that feeling. We just finished a game where we we both town, and he low key suspected me pretty much the whole game. So I was just thinking that having just watched me closely in that game, he had a better feel for my town game.

But I also know I can be susceptible to that, so her saying it makes me more aware to watch for it.

Scotty feels pockety thus far, to both myself and Wilgy

Both of these live quite early in the falcon iso. Initial gut check is this is a good look for scotty (assuming falcon flips wolf).

falcon's town, belive that.


I have inside information

No infodumping

I don’t care where the info came from

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:46 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 12:44 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:56 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:49 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:39 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:35 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:58 am

Spoiler: show

tl;dr

Lucy wolf read is also in my iso

now to read this ungodly post at this ungodly time

If you think the doc case is made up and Golden hard defended sean and sean isnt saying no then he is just on borrowed time till real doc flips and then two wolves go down hard back to back. Also you have to ask why real doc isnt trying to murder seanzie. Now Seanzie trying to flip me so aggressively isnt the best move as well because eventually I Will go over and then he will be in deep shit and then Golden and him will have to double down on defending each other (in the world they are w/w) so its a really bizarre play. Might work but its unlikely

There could be a world where seanzie is town and golden is wolf (for defending lucy if i pre-flip her wolf) but then seanzie should be targeting golden for hard death because then he would be wrong on who the night save is and claiming it so boldy in thread means that seanzie would have a difference check on golden but that isnt the case so until someone counter claims or seanzie tries to kill golden I am just saying its true that seanzie is doc and golden was the night kill

if you dont know Sabi its hard to not just scumbucket her

That said if Lucy is wolf and Seanzie is just sticking to his guns so hard that he is seeing red and wolves holstered the kill and golden claimed doc saved him (This is assuming all the planets aligned and its even legal to holster in this format) then golden could still be wolf. But that is an edge case I cant even think about till I see the lucy flip and then another kill after that. But yeah in that case Seanzie is still town because doc would CC and hard death tunnel seanzie and he would be dead before FX

Basically as long as Golden and Seanzie keep sticking together and no Doc flips I lose this game to them and you go over SVS every time. Because I think you are in a good place to deep wolf (Golden is too, but he has a shield and you dont)

Answer me this. Who is goldens partner if not Seanzie? If you cant put any other name next to it right now just look elsewhere and try to flip them. If you can put a name next to it. great lets kill that name then look at golden when we have more information

Ha ha I don't ever remember being called ungodly before, but I'll take it. And people who know my game will tell you I am an excellent deepwolf (I never heard that before this game, but I love that term), it may be what I do best in mafia. But not here.

I don't know if it's real or not, I just know what *I* thought for a large swathe of the game.

I also know when someone is coming after me and they mean it or not. I have had a big reputation as a deep aggressive tunneller. I have been trying to avoid this in my comeback tour. But *my* read on Sean is based on myself, I 100% thought he meant it when he was tunnelling me. He believed it. Goldens read cemented it for me, and was part of why I was more willing to accept Goldens viewpoint. If Golden is bad, I still think Sean is not.

To be clear, I am blaming myself for my actions, *NOT* Golden, although my thoughts on Golden are what precipitated all of this.

Looking for a woof partner for Golden, I find Goldens ISO is clean, in that he has interacted with everyone alive in this game. He's replied to them, he's typed out their names, he's commented on them. I would have to think on who i think would be bad with Mata and Golden, were he bad. I am not seeing a big space to fit a teammate between Matahari and Golden tbh. He was pushing Mata/Falcon as teammates while she was still alive, before Vivax replaced in.

And Golden and a hypothetical partner are not in a vacuum, Mata/Vivax would have to be in there with them. I think I just talked myself out of suspecting Golden at all. I don't see how he is compatible with bad Matahari, and especially with bad Mata/falcon. So not sure. I can't put a name next to Golden.

I am home all day today, and much of tomorrow. My Dad pulled a last minute thing so I have to go tomorrow from @2 Eastern to @ 8ish, I am so annoyed. And we'll be a restaurant so clutching my phone and hiding around corners to post like I did the other day won't work. That's why I am making a big push now, I won't be around for much if any of EOD.

What about yourself SVS+Golden+Mata/Vivax. Why doesnt that work?

I don't see Mata/Vivax and Golden working together, regardless of the third party. I have to go back and reread them, but he was looking to her as bad fairly early, then she was sick and I think both he and I backed off her a bit becasue *Kate* didn't think she was bad. I suspected mata D1 or 2, but she kinda snapped back at me for it, and I tend to read her the opposite of Roxy. Roxy snaps at you when bad, Mata does it when civ. At least that is what I thought.

But I guess I could be compatible with bad Golden, but I don't see how bad me, bad Golden and bad Mata would work together.

I have never done this type of analysis, it's helpful actually.

I think you are becoming more like me and I’m becoming more like you in some ways lol.

Mata/Falcon would have been my preferred day 1/2 elims if I was actually as determined to force everyone to do what I wanted as some people tend to think. Like you, I often get my best reads through interactions with me and I’ve wanted Falcon elimmed since the first moment he voted for me on day one, it hit me as insincere/wolfplay immediately.

Sabi is the only time I’ve been truly distracted from that. Even soneji I accepted as an elim through the lens he might be compatible as their third.

Your insincerity meter, as it applies to myself, is woefully out of alignment


I also do not understand how you had these wolf connections pre-flip.


Again, you are incorrect on my slot by a country mile yo. Look at worlds where I'm not scum

Hahaha, yet you have yet to explain your vote on me in any capacity or even attempt to articulate any sort of pairing I could have with any wolf let alone the already flipped one. But you do you boo go off on golden when your own house aint clean

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:56 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:49 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:39 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:35 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:58 am

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:56 am Looking for GTH opinions: Lucy Village or Woof? (No PoE, if you had to make a call what is it?)

OK, to start, I have no info. But reading back has made me realize I made a timing error, and I made the mistake of listening to someone else when I should have listened to myself. And I am finding some of the things Golden is saying today alarming.

I am going to guess this is OK with Golden since he did something similar to Sean, and becasue i think I am probably mistaken. I'm just going on what I believed most of this game. And I am not sure how to explain this without "going there".

I thought Golden was an info role, and was trying to steer a bit based on that without actually dumping into the thread (which one of the info roles isn't allowed to do anyhow, iirc). Day 1, if i had an info role, I would have checked Sean. Sean was the opposing wagon to Wilgy, and was taking tons of heat. And Golden came in defending Sean. The Doc case he made a few days later looked made up to me, it looked like an info case, except to prove someone was civ, not that they were bad. He posted it to get people off the Sean fixation, and it worked. I myself thought he was town, and still do. Since no one really pushed back at that case, maybe he actually is that role

Golden also was defending Lucy, who I would have checked Day 2 if I were an info role. She was the 2nd wagon Day 2, although not as close as the Day 1 wagon. So I backed off of her, and moved on. I also felt to some extent that maybe I was picking on her (although I am not sure why I would feel that, but I will say that guilt is the only emotion I process fairly normally, lol).

I thought Sabiplz was bad for very bad reasons, and I learned my lesson about misunderstanding cultural differences. I thought they were steering, I thought they were self meta-ing way too much (that, for me, is a baddie tell, a big baddie tell, but not for Sabi obvs). I thought they may have killed Marmot to garner some civ sympathy for themselves since they were obvs super simpatico w/Marmot.

As an aside, now I am thinking Marmot was NKed to isolate Sabi a bit if Lucy was bad. If you look back at Sabis posts, Lucy was trying to meld with Sabi a bit imo.

Anyhow, I compressed days 1/2 mentally and assumed Golden had checked Lucy, but I read back and see he was vouching for her waaaaay before that. So therefore, I either think he was NOT an info role and I read into him, or he was blocked Night 2 and got no results. Or since he was vouching for her day 1, maybe if he was a cop role, he didn't check her at all

And now, reading today, he seems to be backing off of that town read of Lucy. So I went back and realized this started on Day 1, before an info role could have checked anyone.

This is from day one, and I'm a nub

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 2:41 pm I don’t think a vote for Lucy is the way to go today.

So I can't sort Golden until I sort Lucy. My gut has been saying "WOLF WOLF WOLF" from the start, and will keep it up until one of us is gawn, baby, gawn.

My heart has been telling me this is Goldens town game, but I really need to sort this, so he goes into the PoE until I do. Also to keep in mind, if Golden is civ (and bad Golden is more tentative, less assured he's right, so I think he likely is a civ) and Lucy is not, I bet his vote (and maybe Dennis' vote since she's glommed onto him so hard) have probably never been blocked and probably aren't now. Mine might be, Scottys might be.

Imma read back some more, and get that rainbow in a bit.

And before Rondo asks, I have no idea who a wolf Lucys partner would be. I don't think it's Golden, his defense of her would have been too hamfisted if he were bad.

tl;dr

Lucy wolf read is also in my iso

now to read this ungodly post at this ungodly time

If you think the doc case is made up and Golden hard defended sean and sean isnt saying no then he is just on borrowed time till real doc flips and then two wolves go down hard back to back. Also you have to ask why real doc isnt trying to murder seanzie. Now Seanzie trying to flip me so aggressively isnt the best move as well because eventually I Will go over and then he will be in deep shit and then Golden and him will have to double down on defending each other (in the world they are w/w) so its a really bizarre play. Might work but its unlikely

There could be a world where seanzie is town and golden is wolf (for defending lucy if i pre-flip her wolf) but then seanzie should be targeting golden for hard death because then he would be wrong on who the night save is and claiming it so boldy in thread means that seanzie would have a difference check on golden but that isnt the case so until someone counter claims or seanzie tries to kill golden I am just saying its true that seanzie is doc and golden was the night kill

if you dont know Sabi its hard to not just scumbucket her

That said if Lucy is wolf and Seanzie is just sticking to his guns so hard that he is seeing red and wolves holstered the kill and golden claimed doc saved him (This is assuming all the planets aligned and its even legal to holster in this format) then golden could still be wolf. But that is an edge case I cant even think about till I see the lucy flip and then another kill after that. But yeah in that case Seanzie is still town because doc would CC and hard death tunnel seanzie and he would be dead before FX

Basically as long as Golden and Seanzie keep sticking together and no Doc flips I lose this game to them and you go over SVS every time. Because I think you are in a good place to deep wolf (Golden is too, but he has a shield and you dont)

Answer me this. Who is goldens partner if not Seanzie? If you cant put any other name next to it right now just look elsewhere and try to flip them. If you can put a name next to it. great lets kill that name then look at golden when we have more information

Ha ha I don't ever remember being called ungodly before, but I'll take it. And people who know my game will tell you I am an excellent deepwolf (I never heard that before this game, but I love that term), it may be what I do best in mafia. But not here.

I don't know if it's real or not, I just know what *I* thought for a large swathe of the game.

I also know when someone is coming after me and they mean it or not. I have had a big reputation as a deep aggressive tunneller. I have been trying to avoid this in my comeback tour. But *my* read on Sean is based on myself, I 100% thought he meant it when he was tunnelling me. He believed it. Goldens read cemented it for me, and was part of why I was more willing to accept Goldens viewpoint. If Golden is bad, I still think Sean is not.

To be clear, I am blaming myself for my actions, *NOT* Golden, although my thoughts on Golden are what precipitated all of this.

Looking for a woof partner for Golden, I find Goldens ISO is clean, in that he has interacted with everyone alive in this game. He's replied to them, he's typed out their names, he's commented on them. I would have to think on who i think would be bad with Mata and Golden, were he bad. I am not seeing a big space to fit a teammate between Matahari and Golden tbh. He was pushing Mata/Falcon as teammates while she was still alive, before Vivax replaced in.

And Golden and a hypothetical partner are not in a vacuum, Mata/Vivax would have to be in there with them. I think I just talked myself out of suspecting Golden at all. I don't see how he is compatible with bad Matahari, and especially with bad Mata/falcon. So not sure. I can't put a name next to Golden.

I am home all day today, and much of tomorrow. My Dad pulled a last minute thing so I have to go tomorrow from @2 Eastern to @ 8ish, I am so annoyed. And we'll be a restaurant so clutching my phone and hiding around corners to post like I did the other day won't work. That's why I am making a big push now, I won't be around for much if any of EOD.

What about yourself SVS+Golden+Mata/Vivax. Why doesnt that work?

I don't see Mata/Vivax and Golden working together, regardless of the third party. I have to go back and reread them, but he was looking to her as bad fairly early, then she was sick and I think both he and I backed off her a bit becasue *Kate* didn't think she was bad. I suspected mata D1 or 2, but she kinda snapped back at me for it, and I tend to read her the opposite of Roxy. Roxy snaps at you when bad, Mata does it when civ. At least that is what I thought.

But I guess I could be compatible with bad Golden, but I don't see how bad me, bad Golden and bad Mata would work together.

I have never done this type of analysis, it's helpful actually.

I think you are becoming more like me and I’m becoming more like you in some ways lol.

Mata/Falcon would have been my preferred day 1/2 elims if I was actually as determined to force everyone to do what I wanted as some people tend to think. Like you, I often get my best reads through interactions with me and I’ve wanted Falcon elimmed since the first moment he voted for me on day one, it hit me as insincere/wolfplay immediately.

Sabi is the only time I’ve been truly distracted from that. Even soneji I accepted as an elim through the lens he might be compatible as their third.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:44 am [VOTE: Falcon ] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:15 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 11:13 am [VOTE: rondo] aubergine

A very poor vote for you when Seanzie is the only thing keeping me from slamming on you to tie the wagons

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 10:00 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:50 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:47 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:37 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:23 am My work is done here. See you all tomorrow.

Boo, help us solve.

It's Lucy and Rondo.

Rondo you say? Do tell

I did tell already. Highlighted is the relevant passage from my previous post.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:46 am @lucy if you are town who are the bad actors on your wagon and who are the bad actors abstaining on falcons wagon if he is wolf when you are town?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:47 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:37 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:23 am My work is done here. See you all tomorrow.

Boo, help us solve.

It's Lucy and Rondo.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 7:03 am *screams*

Okay fuck it

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I follow you today but if Falcon flips town I follow the devil on my shoulder tomorrow.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 9:23 am My work is done here. See you all tomorrow.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 10, 2022 5:08 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:58 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 11:55 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:51 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:50 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Nov 28, 2022 9:49 pm Marmot really did rand mafia huh

Marmot always rands Mafia but will sometimes use priv to edit flips before anyone sees them.

(as I'm not aware of the climate of this game and it's players, please note this is entirely satire)

You coming into this thread is like a cold breeze blowing in on a hot day to aerate the undercarriage under my kilt. Appreciate your energy, doc

Scotty is officially a flirty pockety pock

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:50 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:44 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:52 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:34 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:30 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Nov 29, 2022 12:58 am

I appreciate your thoughts!

Don’t take this the wrong way- I’m just being inquisitive after all- but how do you know what is alignment indicative of me if we’ve never played together before?

I made an assumption. I don't actually know but I'm pretty sure you just like questions. My point was I don't think you're suspicious because of that.

I learned something new here. I thought "Alignment Indicative" meant in general, like say posting a lot of OT, or asking a lot of questions, *in general* is not AI. I did not realize it is a specific thing for an individual. Like I would say "AI" in general, and "AI for Scotty" if I was comparing it to his specific meta. I've been using it wrong.

IME it means both/could mean either depending on context.

Thank you, that’s what I thought. It just seemed that Scotty was implying Dennis misused the term so it confused me.

I have mixed feels on Scotty. I know he plays a very analytical game, and there’s not much to analyze before the first elimination. So I’m low keying my expectations of him a bit until Day 2.

But he also seems to be on the same thing as Lucy re Dennis, albeit on a lesser scale. That bothers me a bit. Sabiplz said she thinks Scotty’s buddying me. I didn’t get that feeling. We just finished a game where we we both town, and he low key suspected me pretty much the whole game. So I was just thinking that having just watched me closely in that game, he had a better feel for my town game.

But I also know I can be susceptible to that, so her saying it makes me more aware to watch for it.

Scotty feels pockety thus far, to both myself and Wilgy

Both of these live quite early in the falcon iso. Initial gut check is this is a good look for scotty (assuming falcon flips wolf).

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:44 pm Current rainbow:

TOP TOWN
SvS
Dennis
Rondo
Golden
Neon
Roxy
Seanzie
Splints
lucy
falcon

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:40 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:35 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:27 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:21 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:15 pm

Am I not allowed to take splints out of my wolfreads and townlean her? Why not?

I mean, like you won't get modkilled or anything for it, so go nutty


But they are well within their wolf range, for sure.


Are you townreading them moreso based off how the vivax things you mentioned, or is it based off what fingers has done herself?

I isoed mata, you, vivax and splints herself. And I did it because Roxy really did make a point of asking me not to be so determined and to listen to other voices and she is quite adamant splints is town.

Takeaway was I don’t think she’s wolf compatible with a vivax/Falcon team. I don’t think it’s that she is out of wolfrange, I think it’s that, on reflection, the wolfteam was trying to get her miselimmed behind them… a tactic I often have used myself as wolf and on reflection that’s what my gut says I’m seeing (and this is true based on mata/vivax even if I’m wrong about you).

So now how does this world look if I'm green?



Cuz I am, just like the Jelly

Then there’s a deepwolf to find.

Well, now why is that the case?


Fingers could be wolf, and I'd hesitate to say their deepwolf. Ditto lucy


Dennis I'd consider deep

I don’t think splints/Lucy are w/w based on day 2. And I wouldn’t call scotty deepwolf but I think most would. Anyone else is deepwolf to me.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:29 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:27 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:21 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:15 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:13 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:21 pm I spent the night looking into fingersplints in particular, because Roxy has been quite insistent she can read her friend and was begging me to be willing to listen to other voices.

In the moment, I thought maybe vivax was trying to deepwolf fingersplints. In hindsight, I don’t think so… I think vivax was trying to take fingersplints down behind him, and I’m glad Roxy was insistent on making me take another look.

Posting on phone but I’ll probably back this up with some of the things I saw when I isoed when i can get on my pc. But the gut feeling I got reading through is that I wouldn’t be interested in elimming fingersplints.

Fingers is def POE yo

Am I not allowed to take splints out of my wolfreads and townlean her? Why not?

I mean, like you won't get modkilled or anything for it, so go nutty


But they are well within their wolf range, for sure.


Are you townreading them moreso based off how the vivax things you mentioned, or is it based off what fingers has done herself?

I isoed mata, you, vivax and splints herself. And I did it because Roxy really did make a point of asking me not to be so determined and to listen to other voices and she is quite adamant splints is town.

Takeaway was I don’t think she’s wolf compatible with a vivax/Falcon team. I don’t think it’s that she is out of wolfrange, I think it’s that, on reflection, the wolfteam was trying to get her miselimmed behind them… a tactic I often have used myself as wolf and on reflection that’s what my gut says I’m seeing (and this is true based on mata/vivax even if I’m wrong about you).

So now how does this world look if I'm green?



Cuz I am, just like the Jelly

Then there’s a deepwolf to find.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:26 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:16 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:04 pm Nooo Kate I’m sorry to see you go

Yeah, but are you?


Would Maf Scotty be so bold as to kill someone given heat to his slot?



Hmmmm...maybe

Is this the position you’re choosing to take coming into today?

So you only switched to Vivax yesterday when he had no chance to come back. I don’t even remember who you suspected for the day yesterday

Who is your top scum read, falcon?

Oh pish posh, you know I'm not the type to come in with a "position"...I poke and prod til something comes loose.


I wasn't around much last RD, I was pukey pukerson. I did give my take in vivax/mata, tho I noticed that Golden preshaded me right near EOD


I'm not sold on the whole Golden/Sean stuff to be real, but I'll set that aside for this RD.


Dennis, lucy, and fingers are a good POE for me, but there's a few pies I wanna dig into this RD

Preshaded you right before EoD?

Falcon, my vote was on you for most of the phase and the wash on on vivax was predicated on me making the case that you two are wolfmates.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:26 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:21 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:15 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:13 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:21 pm I spent the night looking into fingersplints in particular, because Roxy has been quite insistent she can read her friend and was begging me to be willing to listen to other voices.

In the moment, I thought maybe vivax was trying to deepwolf fingersplints. In hindsight, I don’t think so… I think vivax was trying to take fingersplints down behind him, and I’m glad Roxy was insistent on making me take another look.

Posting on phone but I’ll probably back this up with some of the things I saw when I isoed when i can get on my pc. But the gut feeling I got reading through is that I wouldn’t be interested in elimming fingersplints.

Fingers is def POE yo

Am I not allowed to take splints out of my wolfreads and townlean her? Why not?

I mean, like you won't get modkilled or anything for it, so go nutty


But they are well within their wolf range, for sure.


Are you townreading them moreso based off how the vivax things you mentioned, or is it based off what fingers has done herself?

I isoed mata, you, vivax and splints herself. And I did it because Roxy really did make a point of asking me not to be so determined and to listen to other voices and she is quite adamant splints is town.

Takeaway was I don’t think she’s wolf compatible with a vivax/Falcon team. I don’t think it’s that she is out of wolfrange, I think it’s that, on reflection, the wolfteam was trying to get her miselimmed behind them… a tactic I often have used myself as wolf and on reflection that’s what my gut says I’m seeing (and this is true based on mata/vivax even if I’m wrong about you).

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:16 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:11 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:04 pm Nooo Kate I’m sorry to see you go

Yeah, but are you?


Would Maf Scotty be so bold as to kill someone given heat to his slot?



Hmmmm...maybe

Is this the position you’re choosing to take coming into today?

So you only switched to Vivax yesterday when he had no chance to come back. I don’t even remember who you suspected for the day yesterday

Who is your top scum read, falcon?

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:15 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:13 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:21 pm I spent the night looking into fingersplints in particular, because Roxy has been quite insistent she can read her friend and was begging me to be willing to listen to other voices.

In the moment, I thought maybe vivax was trying to deepwolf fingersplints. In hindsight, I don’t think so… I think vivax was trying to take fingersplints down behind him, and I’m glad Roxy was insistent on making me take another look.

Posting on phone but I’ll probably back this up with some of the things I saw when I isoed when i can get on my pc. But the gut feeling I got reading through is that I wouldn’t be interested in elimming fingersplints.

Fingers is def POE yo

Am I not allowed to take splints out of my wolfreads and townlean her? Why not?

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:21 pm I spent the night looking into fingersplints in particular, because Roxy has been quite insistent she can read her friend and was begging me to be willing to listen to other voices.

In the moment, I thought maybe vivax was trying to deepwolf fingersplints. In hindsight, I don’t think so… I think vivax was trying to take fingersplints down behind him, and I’m glad Roxy was insistent on making me take another look.

Posting on phone but I’ll probably back this up with some of the things I saw when I isoed when i can get on my pc. But the gut feeling I got reading through is that I wouldn’t be interested in elimming fingersplints.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:10 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 11:09 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:37 pm Anyway, [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 09, 2022 10:49 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

We wanted the world record speedrun