The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:26 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:23 am I dont appreciate the ATE tho. Other than that. Just try to relax and know that I care about your mental wellbeing and hope you can get past the frustration and just accept I am encouraging Seanzie to solve the game his way as its working so far.

If you care about my mental wellbeing spare me the "I don't appreciate the ATE" as that's just manipulative crap.

You're encouraging drunk Seanzie who wants to waste his alignment check on someone HE ALREADY HAS MECHANICAL EVIDENCE IS TOWN.

Why would I lie about my tracker claim? I literally am verified tracker because Kate and Dennis went belly up and Seanzie knew Kate was targeting Dennis in the first place.

I am clearly not lying.

What the fuck kind of mafia role is odd night tracker?

You hiding behind "I'm sheeping Seanzie" is the biggest pile of crap I've ever seen.

You say I need to plea with Seanzie, homie is fucken passed out in his chair with a gut full of red wine right now. Ain't pleading with shit.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:29 pm So who do people think John Doe is?

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 6:45 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 4:24 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:51 am KITTY KATE FOR PRESIDENT 2077
MA7E AME7ICA S7UTTY AGA7N

^ actual footage of me right now

This makes you look like Chastity compared to what I'm doing...

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:12 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:44 am @falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?

I would say that I don’t want to say because it would sound like omgus. But maybe I should discuss it so I can get some feedback. I am thinking that Zenon did some very strange things yesterday. She made such a fuss in the thread about Portia and Tutuu being town and then at the last minute let Mac persuade her to vote Portia. She also made a fuss about my vote for Doom. Then Portia dies, followed by Doom. Idk, but it feels like a sham. Like Zenon pre-cleared herself from any wrongdoing, and who would suspect her after she was so vocal about trusting them? It just feels really ick to me.
And speaking of Portia, her role had a 1x day kill, I’m surprised she didn’t use it before she was miselimmed. I sure would have, she must be a lot nicer than I am.
I still trust most of the people I listed yesterday, but I’m wondering why people don’t trust Dennis. I’ve never played in one of his wolf games, so I don’t have anything to compare. But I haven’t seen anything that catches my eye yet, where he is concerned.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:10 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:36 pm

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:12 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:44 am @falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?

I would say that I don’t want to say because it would sound like omgus. But maybe I should discuss it so I can get some feedback. I am thinking that Zenon did some very strange things yesterday. She made such a fuss in the thread about Portia and Tutuu being town and then at the last minute let Mac persuade her to vote Portia. She also made a fuss about my vote for Doom. Then Portia dies, followed by Doom. Idk, but it feels like a sham. Like Zenon pre-cleared herself from any wrongdoing, and who would suspect her after she was so vocal about trusting them? It just feels really ick to me.
And speaking of Portia, her role had a 1x day kill, I’m surprised she didn’t use it before she was miselimmed. I sure would have, she must be a lot nicer than I am.
I still trust most of the people I listed yesterday, but I’m wondering why people don’t trust Dennis. I’ve never played in one of his wolf games, so I don’t have anything to compare. But I haven’t seen anything that catches my eye yet, where he is concerned.

Why would you care if it sounded like omgus, especially if you were willing to sacrifice yourself before?

Anyway, here's where my head is at:
Town:
Michelle
Zenon
Kate
SVS
Dubz

Townlean:
Falcon
Tutuu
Epi
Roxy
Nanook

PoE:
pyxxy
Rondo
Sean
Jack
Dennis
Matahari
Wilgy
Mac

Isn’t omgus meaning still the same as it used to be? Like if someone suspects you, and you suspect them back solely because they suspected you first? I hesitated giving my impression of Zenon because she had listed me as a suspect once or twice. But my reaction to her day one actions weren’t because she had suspected me, they sort of came into focus after the night kill. And I’m not married to it, but I still don’t feel great about it.
How does omgus relate to being killed off?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:00 pm Falcon Dennis is outed also.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:28 pm I would like to retire Mac, Falcon and Zenon from the game for the next 30 minutes and let others talk. We are making the thread boring and lame.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:34 pm Hey rest of game there's 90 minutes until EOD and when I say I want to retire the three loud annoying voices for 30 minutes the idea is so it can give the rest of you space to fill it, so please do.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:36 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:34 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:28 pm I would like to retire Mac, Falcon and Zenon from the game for the next 30 minutes and let others talk. We are making the thread boring and lame.

I don't really believe in not making my voice heard

For 30 minutes, so others can read some posts without us making aggro sounding frustration posts. Then you can go back to shouting at me and making votes you're not confident about while pre-emptively blaming me for perceived miselims.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:40 pm Matahari looks like an obvious mafia to me. 5 post ISO that's easy to read. Looks pretty obviously not town.

Wolfy entrance post making wolfy guilty excuses for not posting much.
Solving through a forced dichotomy of Tutuu/Michelle/Doom based on nothing except they're wagons ie. opportunism.
No attempt to town. Naked vote on Tutuu.

Chance of being town. Low.
In a role madness game day 1 chop we could do worse than to just chop Matahari.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:44 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:48 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:36 pm kate yes
mac yes
doom yes
dubz yes
thunal yes (yes I just called thunal mafia but i amnt serious)
epi fair
porscha nope she not town
jack yeah he probs town
pyxxy i see why you think this but also no
michelle yeah she probs town
dennis lol i like how you're always paranoid of dennis is cute he's town tho
zenon you're tunneling, which is fair cuz zenon is town/mafia
roxy fair
wilgy fair
sean fair
nook no hes town
mata fair
rondo fair
svs fair
falcon fair

sorry guys my heart wasn't into it i was FORCED TO PLAY BY KATE AT GUNPOINT SHE USED EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION TO MAKE ME PLAY and IM SUPER BUSY I HAVE EXAM AND WORK so thats why I JUST SHITPOSTED HERE TO VENT OUT STRESS AND RELAX so sorry OH NYUUU

i self pres later

Tutuu has the best reads in the game and y'all want to punish it. You're horrible people and deserve to tenants for the rest of your lives.

Ok ill try to have an open mind, why is proscha bad? (Although we all know I'm relatively headstrong and unlikely to change my vote) but I really want to understand porscha.

To me the difference between Porscha's wolf and town play is generally pretty obvious.

As town Porscha has a fire. They ask a lot of probing questions and demonstrate town solving mindset and entitlement more than just about anyone.

They used to be polarised in terms of postcount as well but recently broke that in two games, but in those games the only element of their meta they broke was the postcount, their ability to match their town meta as mafia is simply still not there. They don't have fire, they don't attempt to solve. They just meander through the game with 1 or 2 sentences surviving largely off of the easy townreads they get from people who think they are post count polarised.

The biggest indicator is that Porscha reacted so limply to me pushing her. Porscha holds me accountable to having accurate reads and when I push her wrongly she turns into a Tsundere. She doesn't care in this game that I am pushing her and her most recent post was a very limp response and since then hasn't posted at all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:55 pm Two Porscha games from within the last 2 months that a lot of the people in this game played in.

Porscha town game - https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39658 - Lived til nearly endgame and racked up > 300 posts in a heavy postcap game.
Porscha wolf game - https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/39519 - Lived til nearly endgame and barely got over 100 posts in a heavy postcap game.

Here are some highlights of how Porscha as town posts that I feel are completely missing from this game.

Porscha;6901464 wrote:

Macdougall;6901459 wrote:

Porscha;6901456 wrote:

Macdougall;6901453 wrote:wtf how?

you think you're a funny guy eh

why yes ma'am

[V]Macdougall[/V]

i'm laughing so hard rn i'm slapping my knees repeatedly

Porscha;6902263 wrote:FTR mac is NOT in my towncore rn and I have to ask IC to not copy paste zenon readlists as her own despite masoning

Porscha;6903007 wrote:

Macdougall;6902652 wrote:@Porscha explain why you are voting me.

Reason for voting: meh felt fine when I did it

On subject of me not towncoring you: why do you want to be towncore so bad

Also I think you're full of it if you believe that lily n I as wolf partners obviously pick to try and ML you day 1

I want to make the argument that if I'm wolfing id just pocket you but I understand this is something you're going to be more keenly aware of due to last game with me and therefore youre less likely to fall victim to it

Which I guess could give me more reason to go the opposite direction and try to sr you instead

But I dont really sr you

I just dont strongly feel like you're town atm

I am pinged by zenon/ic situation

And I agree violet read on happy not great

These are just three of hundreds I could lift. I would summarise Porscha's town play as.

1. Effort filled.
2. Generally insightful and >rand accurate in terms of pushes.
3. Hilarious and scathing.

Porscha as town has generally >rand reads. Knows it. Takes a position of authority in a game. Keeps people accountable that she has a basis of and cares about what those players are doing in a mafia game.

I do not see town Porscha in this game. At all. The defense is that she can be town here, sure. She can be town here. But let's also draw the parallels between this and her wolf game.

Here are some typical Porscha wolf game posts.

Porscha;6868489 wrote:

lilypetal;6865863 wrote:max 1 wolf in relm/rem

zeus sussy

violet town

leaning rem town

notably I townread pyx for some reason?

thats all.

Literally all pyxxy said was yeet yaw when you made this post lmfao how are you tr'ing that

Porscha;6868574 wrote:

lilypetal;6868539 wrote:

Porscha;6868525 wrote:

lilypetal;6868498 wrote:Porscha.. that was post #30 lol

In backreading I see you called it a tone snap read which is like, allowed lmao, just feels like you made a read for the sake of it instead of letting it stew to make a better one later

Forcing reads is important to start games like this. I do this every mafia league game

Lol okay. I guess you were like that in our last game too

Porscha;6872500 wrote:

pyxxy;6872490 wrote:

DoctorZeus;6872486 wrote:

pyxxy;6872482 wrote:incredible urge to tr you for this, gotdamn

She played in a ML game before

Admittedly without flips

But i know shes been reading along to other games as she chatted during last roind

So yh

Nahh

Spoiler: show

i dont sr her for it tho

alright DZ let's run it

you me Porscha all town

who do we chop

aw do you actually tr me uwu

Porscha's wolf game has nowhere near the same tone. There is no believability. You can see that she doesn't actually believe what she's saying because as soon as she gets pressured to back up her arguments she backtracks hard the other direction. She doesn't play confidently as mafia. She doesn't get into long drawn out back and forths and looks for the exit. Her posts are all generally 1-2 lines cuz of how much she hates wolfing. Her entirely agenda as a wolf is to get her postcount up to avoid getting policied and otherwise try to stay out of harms way.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:56 pm The third post in the three I picked from her town game, is not a post you will find in any Porscha wolf game. Find me a single post from this game or the other game that remotely looks like it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:01 pm The best I can say in defense of Porscha and to Zenon's point, is that town Porscha does sometimes take a while to show herself. I have found myself scumreading town Porscha for similar games before but then suddenly Porscha just shows up and it's like okay there she is my bad and I close the book.

That it hasn't happened and we are 1 hour prior to eod1 makes it highly unlikely to happen. Zenon is right that town Porscha can have these games sometimes, but there is too much in common with her common wolf game and nothing like her common town game as it stands, and to say that "yeah she looks like wolf Porscha and not like town Porscha but she can still be town Porscha" is a far too generous argument.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:38 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:35 pm Kate, since yer busted, why not try and do some good for the Town and help solve?

You wouldn't know if it's her real solving or not lol. It would be fun to try and figure out if it's real or BS, so why not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:35 pm The worst thing about mafia players is that most of you have the emotional intelligence of a pebble and act like you're super empaths who function on raw crystal energy with unflappable self control but become toxic hypocrites the minute the mirror gets held up to you. At least I know I'm an emotionally volatile piece of shit and try to compensate for it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:15 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:07 pm Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Oh, so I'm a nobody huh???



BRRRRAAAAAAAAFGGFGGHHJDJDKFLTL

Last interaction I had with you was you being a hater so I dunno how I'm meant to have a different perspective

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:07 pm Why does everyone hate me in this game.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:45 am also @falcon45ca Happy Saturday morning music

[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:44 am @falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?

@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?

@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?

@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?

@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:02 pm I'm demotivated as fuck so. Yeah.

Anyways

Vote: Dennis

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:42 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:34 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:00 pm oh yeah final final msg pls dont cfd i dont think its good. i mean i know im town and there might be a chance we hit a non-town but... porscha's wagon is lowkey cfd she didnt have a chance to respond. very few people are here (noone is here who is a wagon contender). so like, ... if we cfd to someone last second, they flip town, this will be torment for me tomorrow lol, it will just be a lot of distraction coz ppl will still be scumreading me and a lot of ppl are like "i dont wanna solve further until my scumread flips" and it just slows down the game. i think its cool if i flip here and tomorrow u guys evaluate and the ppl who are getting pushed ought to get a chance to respond. coz like, ... ive had all the time in the world to respond to my accusators, it didn't sway them, so if i dont get chopped i think i just slow down the game and it hurts town

This is fairly strongly a town thought.

I vote the most likely wolf in contention, CFD or not. It's looking like that's Porscha.

What is cfd?

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:23 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:21 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:19 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:18 pm I love that 90% of this game just doesn't care to actually play it

It is not my job to be towny it is my job to find wolves

If you want to complain that the game isn't handed to you on a silver platter then that's my bad

What have you found?

[VOTE: Doom] aubergine has been looking worse and worse by the second, they switched their layed back tone to a really tense and aggressive one as soon as they became a wagon which set me off, and my vote sucks cause I think it's been spewed by thread I misinterpreted something in his post

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:19 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:18 pm I love that 90% of this game just doesn't care to actually play it

It is not my job to be towny it is my job to find wolves

If you want to complain that the game isn't handed to you on a silver platter then that's my bad

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:15 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:13 pm each time i catch up i think my brain loses a few more neurons or whatever those little channels the electricity shoots through

Get good and be towny pls

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:03 pm Somebody get Mac some Vegemite, it cures Aussies of angst.





I read it in a travel brochure

That's better. More of this and less of the Napoleon Dynamite roleplaying.

Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 8:03 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:48 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:36 pm kate yes
mac yes
doom yes
dubz yes
thunal yes (yes I just called thunal mafia but i amnt serious)
epi fair
porscha nope she not town
jack yeah he probs town
pyxxy i see why you think this but also no
michelle yeah she probs town
dennis lol i like how you're always paranoid of dennis is cute he's town tho
zenon you're tunneling, which is fair cuz zenon is town/mafia
roxy fair
wilgy fair
sean fair
nook no hes town
mata fair
rondo fair
svs fair
falcon fair

sorry guys my heart wasn't into it i was FORCED TO PLAY BY KATE AT GUNPOINT SHE USED EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION TO MAKE ME PLAY and IM SUPER BUSY I HAVE EXAM AND WORK so thats why I JUST SHITPOSTED HERE TO VENT OUT STRESS AND RELAX so sorry OH NYUUU

i self pres later

Tutuu has the best reads in the game and y'all want to punish it. You're horrible people and deserve to tenants for the rest of your lives.

Tutuu has reads that align with yours. Doesn't make them right.

Porscha should never be voted here

Vote: Epi

Kill the obv wolf pls

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:57 pm The Story of Mac and Falcon

Falcon: Isn't towny
Actual mafia : Falcon is towny
Mac: What? No he isn't
Falcon: What? I'm not towny? That's rich coming from you. Ha. Rekt. Dunked on. Nerd. Imagine thinking I'm not town. You're supposed to be good at the game. You suck pal. Absolutely awful.
Mac: I think he's town actually
Falcon: Oh so NOW I'm town, ha, too late BUB, now you have TMI, you're mafia.
Actual mafia: Yeah get em Falcon *sneering grin*
Mac: Falcon i think Actual mafia is mafia
Falcon: Ha sure you're probably DISTANCING from them, wolf, get rekt
Mac: *reeeee* *vote Falcon*
Host: Falcon flips vanilla town
Mac: *punches hat*

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:52 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:49 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:46 pm We have to solve each slot as best we can via discussion, and when a player makes it hard or impossible to do so based off ITT actions, you flip them.

AGREED

THAT'S WHY YOU GET MISCHOPPED EVERY GAME

why you gotta be like that tho?

AS I SAID EARLIER IF SOMEONE WANTS SMOKE I GIVE THEM SMOKE

HE COMES AT ME ACTING LIKE A TOUGH GUY I GIVE HIM THE SMOKE

FALCON OF ALL PEOPLE SAYING WE SHOULD POLICY CHOP THE SLOTS WHO DON'T PARTICIPATE IN DISCUSSIONS

FALCON

>>>FALCON<<<

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:51 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:48 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:47 pm I feel like everyone should be better at reading me.

"Is Jack in this game? Well then he's town."

You got 3 Top Town, and 3 Top Maf?




Gut feels fine

What do I look like?

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:49 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:46 pm We have to solve each slot as best we can via discussion, and when a player makes it hard or impossible to do so based off ITT actions, you flip them.

AGREED

THAT'S WHY YOU GET MISCHOPPED EVERY GAME

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:48 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:36 pm kate yes
mac yes
doom yes
dubz yes
thunal yes (yes I just called thunal mafia but i amnt serious)
epi fair
porscha nope she not town
jack yeah he probs town
pyxxy i see why you think this but also no
michelle yeah she probs town
dennis lol i like how you're always paranoid of dennis is cute he's town tho
zenon you're tunneling, which is fair cuz zenon is town/mafia
roxy fair
wilgy fair
sean fair
nook no hes town
mata fair
rondo fair
svs fair
falcon fair

sorry guys my heart wasn't into it i was FORCED TO PLAY BY KATE AT GUNPOINT SHE USED EMOTIONAL MANIPULATION TO MAKE ME PLAY and IM SUPER BUSY I HAVE EXAM AND WORK so thats why I JUST SHITPOSTED HERE TO VENT OUT STRESS AND RELAX so sorry OH NYUUU

i self pres later

Tutuu has the best reads in the game and y'all want to punish it. You're horrible people and deserve to tenants for the rest of your lives.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:47 pm I feel like everyone should be better at reading me.

"Is Jack in this game? Well then he's town."

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:45 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:42 pm Tutuu is literally tunneling me based off 1 game, so I don't see how that's valid

I hold Kate to a higher standard of rationality than Tutuu so it's blatantly valid.

Also I agree with Tutuu and not with Kate so there's also that.