The Syndicate

GG all,thanks for the host DDL!

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:31 pm If so you can submit to enter RED Engie base.
That provides a heal and RB clear.

Done

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 5:30 pm Actualyl are either of you (LC or Falcon) red team?

I am

Ideas on who I should RB? I'm open to suggestions

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:08 pm Jfc there are four RBs left

Who are all the RBers?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:15 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:13 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 9:12 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:55 pm If Sabie does flip Mafia that CFD is pretty sus, probably just means NAA is Mafia.
If Sabie is Town though, I don't think that gets us anywhere useful.
what does LP have going for him?
Catching 3 scum and being a god at reads :P
Explain which 3 scum you caught and how please?

Towny disagreements going on here IMO

sig wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:45 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:22 pm Guess who targeted Dolby?

[VOTE: sig] aubergine
Maybe I healed him

If that's the case, then you're Dr Kevorkian

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:00 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:59 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:57 pm As long as Marmot watches LC...
Mafia has to kill me and Wiggly N5 and N6 is either order.
Then Mafia has to kill Marmot N7.
So if we just spend the rest of the game voting to not lynch anyone eventually LC will find the last Mafia.
Yeah, but that's boring AF
That's it boys we got em. The last Mafia gg.

Appreciate the energy, but wrong.

If I'm last Maf btw, I'd never have made that post.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:57 pm As long as Marmot watches LC...
Mafia has to kill me and Wiggly N5 and N6 is either order.
Then Mafia has to kill Marmot N7.
So if we just spend the rest of the game voting to not lynch anyone eventually LC will find the last Mafia.

Yeah, but that's boring AF

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:49 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:48 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:43 pm oh and it is worth noting that the only way to stop the Mafia kill going forward is to roleblock the last Mafia.
So we basically have 2ish nights since Mafia will have to kill Marmot tonight otherwise they cannot kill LC or Falcon.
And if the kill isn't stopped N6 LC dies (Assuming it wasn't stopped N5). It should be fairly straightforward to mechanically corner the Mafia assuming the don't surrender now.
I'm sorry, why is a RB the only way to stop a kill now?
When there is 1 Mafia remaining it bypasses healing.

Is that stated? Or just a Syn rule in general

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:48 pm Actually I don't think Mafia can actually kill Marmot.
As long as a Pyro is still alive nobody can even target Marmot as it'll just be redirected to a random person instead.

Who do you like for Sigs teammate?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:43 pm oh and it is worth noting that the only way to stop the Mafia kill going forward is to roleblock the last Mafia.
So we basically have 2ish nights since Mafia will have to kill Marmot tonight otherwise they cannot kill LC or Falcon.
And if the kill isn't stopped N6 LC dies (Assuming it wasn't stopped N5). It should be fairly straightforward to mechanically corner the Mafia assuming the don't surrender now.

I'm sorry, why is a RB the only way to stop a kill now?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:37 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:33 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:28 pm I feel bad that I've caught two mafia now from watching lol
I wouldn't feel too guilty.

What prompted you to watch Sig?
I watched Dolby because he was p clear for ccing nanook already, but not necessarily the obvious kill choice

OK, well now I feel less stupid about moving my save off Dolby.

If I had saved him, you would've seen both Medic visit him, and w/ no kill, Sig could've slipped by

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:28 pm I feel bad that I've caught two mafia now from watching lol

I wouldn't feel too guilty.

What prompted you to watch Sig?

Hahahaha

Sog

[VOTE: Sog] aubergine

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:26 pm Spy is a Rolecop. Not an alignment cop.

Fair

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:22 pm Guess who targeted Dolby?

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

I'm an idiot. I had a save on Dolby, but changed it last minute.

Why didn't NAA know Sig was Maf?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 4:03 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.
Well you haven’t claimed actions and you’ve been deliveratively obfuscative and you led a CFD on… is this a joke

He claims a day check on Sig now, and that's how he knew my color.

I made mention, he didn't check me, even tho he had me as Maf if Nook flipped Red.

No other claims has he made.

@NotAnAxehole you may as well claim every check you've done thus far

Also, why does NAA have me as his next lynch w/ a Nook red flip, and then chose to investigate Sig instead?

Also, re: N2...do we know where the roleblocks went and where the saves went? Has Sig told us what he did?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:42 pm Tbh @falcon45ca I think people who sheeped your read, and don't town read you are far more sus.

Marmot comes to mind.

Who else do you feel is sheeping me while not TR me?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:39 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:36 pm Let's make things interesting
What’s interesting about hopping onto Wilgy’s wagon? We was a leading wagon before and he didnt even flinch?

I don't know, I'm waiting to see if interesting things happen as a result of getting the wagons closer

Cuz I recall you saying if Nook flips red, you'd want my lynch next.

So what changed?

Last game of the season Cotton, don't hold anything back now

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:33 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:30 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:22 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.
CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?

Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.

Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.
Yeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.
Well, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.

How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?
Give me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.
How exactly am I supposed to do that? I'm sure you're aware that's beyond my abilities.

Are you giving me an impossible task in order to get you to help town? Cu that's towny...
My legacy is falcon!town, this is NOT a Thunderdome

May I ask why you have me as Town?

Let's make things interesting

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:30 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:22 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.
CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?

Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.

Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.
Yeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.
Well, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.

How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?
Give me a % chance on my legacy reads being used, and % chance of them being better than anyone else's... And I'll consider it.

How exactly am I supposed to do that? I'm sure you're aware that's beyond my abilities.

Are you giving me an impossible task in order to get you to help town? Cu that's towny...

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 2:22 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.
CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?

Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.

Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.
Yeah, I'm just gaslighting because there's 0 way I can convince you guys that I'm town at this stage.

Well, if you are town, then help us w/ legacy reads.

How do you feel about the players on your wagon and how they joined?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:45 pm I haven't done a single scummy thing this game, therefore there is no case to be made.

CFD on Sean for poorly stated reasons w/ a Wolf CW isn't scummy in your eyes?

Again, if you were actually town, I don't know how you can't acknowledge that.

Also, I can't recall how many times I've heard wolves cry "but I wasn't scummy!" before they die.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 01, 2022 1:35 pm If you're mafia, then congrats on winning. Town gonna run down this PoE and reject any additional kills they could use.

Strangely defeatist attitude, considering town has 1/2 the scum team down.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 9:21 pm wait NAA is a cop it's not a slip

Why doesn't he just say that then?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:44 pm Well, in my mind then Wilgy would be a better sniper target.

I prefer to lynch people we can gain info from by examining player interactions. I don't feel we have that with Wilgy.

Fixed

Well, in my mind then Wilgy would be a better snuper target.

I prefer to lynch people we can gain info from by examining player interactions. I don't feel we have that with Wilgy.

Are we lynching Wilgy cuz of his nonsense posts? Or is there something I'm missing

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:16 pm Basically how reasonably confident are you this can never end in a mischop?

I don't know, I guess I'd say I'm 74% confident he's scum

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:11 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:11 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:09 pm Honest question Falcon. How willing are you to go so far as to 1 for 1?
I'm not sure I understand what you mean
I mean if NAA and you ar eboth lynched are you OK with that even if NAA is Town?

Obviously I believe NAA should be lynched.

If NA is lynched, and he flips town, no I will not be OK with getting mislynched as a punishment. That would be throwing good money after bad

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:09 pm Honest question Falcon. How willing are you to go so far as to 1 for 1?

I'm not sure I understand what you mean

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:07 pm NAA said nothing all of Day 1 then just with 2 minutes left said "Let's kill Seanzie" and everyone followed

Well, if that don't sound wolfy

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 8:03 pm In which if that were the case would probably be the most likely scenario where NAA is Mafia as I really don't see Nanook not doing the kill N2.
This thunderdome probably isn't MvM with 2 left and this many town though so probably would just mean NAA and Sig are Mafia if NAA is Mafia.

It's my belief that Sig & NAA are teammates

Ergo, it makes more sense that he's Maf.

Oh yeah, he CFDed Sean.

What did NAA say about it when he switched? I think it was little to nothing IIRC

There's more scenarios where NAA is Maf than Town in your list.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:50 pm Also is a tad convenient we say that it'd be a good idea for Medic's to roleblock tonight and for you to say you can't afterward without giving a roleblock target.

Huh?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:52 pm I think the chop today should be decided between Falcon and NAA, force players to take stances and figure shit out post flip.

I'm fine with this wagon race

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:48 pm Can you stop with the excessive AtE for a bit it just makes you seem worse honestly. Saying that you're always mislynched and that you'll never convince anyone is rather annoying.

I really dislike how you came out of the gate with the idea that he attacked your target N2 while not acknowledging his role.
There are so many scenarios other than he attacked your target and the idea he attacked your target just so happens to be one which a Mafia Medic would benefit extremely from having as a false narrative.
I also think your claim of doing nothing N1 sounds like a lie since Medic's role block needs a night to charge and you used it N3 instead of N2 which suggests you likely used it N1, but don't want to say on who. I'm also of the opinion that using Vaccinator to the get stronger heal faster makes the most since for a Town Medic instead of the slower heal like you said you used, but I'm willing to overlook this as a difference in playstyle.
Really when I look at both of the odd N1 choice and your pretty opportunistic push together this just looks like it is coming from Mafia.

I would also appreciate if you at least claimed your role block target since at the very least if you are Town that would confirm a person as not having carried out the factional kill.

Dude, I'm not AtE.

I didn't roleblock anybody

N1 I forgot. N2 I saved Marmot. N3 I saved Marmot/you.

I told our host to save either one, I wasn't sure if I could save Marmot twice.

And no, there aren't a whole bunch of scenarios on how he knew my color. They are limited to but a few

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:36 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:32 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 3:23 pm @falcon45ca your vote makes no sense unless your goal is to spew yourself town.
I'm not seeing an answer here to how you're aware of my color.
Lucky guess. How do you think I know your color?
No, he said this.
He asked how you think he knew. That is rather blatantly saying that he copped you.

No, he's saying he guessed. Blatantly saying he copped me would be saying, "hey I copped you"

But whatever dude. You clearly can't see him as anything but town. I'm not gonna beat anybody over the head to change their minds

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:34 pm And you wouldn't even entertain the idea that Sig was the Medic who saved someone and had their role outed to Mafia.

I literally just said that was possible. That would still make NAA knowing my color a possible scum slip

Remember? You asked me like 5 mins ago and I said as much.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:29 pm The real question I have, is why are you blatantly misrepresenting the rolesetup?
No where does it say Medic gives their color with a successful kill, it says it gives their name.
Not only that you are conveniently ignoring the fact that NAA is a Spy who can get your role without ever needing to attack whoever you healed.

I'm not ignoring that fact. I asked NAA how he knew, that's when he could've said he spied on me. He didn't. He said he guessed.

I messaged the host after I posted that it wasn't specific if my color was revealed with my role and identity. That's how I know now it was. I then post that I've learned it would've been revealed.

Am I...blatantly misrepresenting anything anymore? The dude CFD onto Sean and said jack and squat about it at the time IIRC.

Is it that crazy he's a wolf?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:25 pm I do think that NAA being a CFDer on Sean, and now w/ a possible scum slip, should def be considered for a sniper shot
Why not just chop him. The sniper can kill off Wilgy.

This is also fine

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:26 pm
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Fri Dec 31, 2021 7:25 pm Why are you assuming it's your color he knew?
Cuz he posted it?
But he also posted Sig's color. He could have attacked Sig's target by that logic no?

Yes he could've. That's still a scum slip if ya slice it that way

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