The Syndicate

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:14 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:09 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

What makes you think this?

The way you both interact...it just feels...off?



Anyways,

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

He's prolly Godfather

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:53 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 11:33 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:36 am Also, just to add, the argument that me putting in a bunch of effort on Day 3 after a wolf flip is suspicious isn't a good AI argument (which both falcon and hk are doing), because it assumes town wouldn't do such a thing, but town would do such a thing.

I mean, if I think you're Jester & therefore don't want you flipped, I don't see why Town would be bothered? Yet you seem a touch flummoxed

I'd suggest you start looking for the wolf then instead of continuing to make the argument that I'm jester

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:36 am Also, just to add, the argument that me putting in a bunch of effort on Day 3 after a wolf flip is suspicious isn't a good AI argument (which both falcon and hk are doing), because it assumes town wouldn't do such a thing, but town would do such a thing.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 9:08 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:29 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:04 pm [VOTE: marmot] auberginemarmot deciding to give a damn about the game now vs any time in the last 2 game days is interesting. Lets do this:

It's incredibly sus, and makes me think even more that he's Jester

Like he's not aware that getting involved now is gonna look scummy

What do you think town!me would do?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:04 pm [VOTE: marmot] auberginemarmot deciding to give a damn about the game now vs any time in the last 2 game days is interesting. Lets do this:

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:14 pm I…think I do too..

However.

I don’t like how nonchalant LC is being. It’s not like he’s putting up a huge fight for his lynch here.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:31 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:25 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:04 pm [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

hey...

'Sup?

You're not allowed to do that.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:04 pm [VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

hey...

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:30 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:24 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:20 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:15 pm [VOTE: Nook] aubergine



Time to spice it up

I think nook is close to towniest here.

You just sticking your nose in a Turkish salad?

waaaaat

Which part? That nook is town or the Turkish salad?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:45 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:43 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:38 pm LP was incredibly suspect of me, dolby, falcon. One of those is dead town

What if Maf took out LP to frame her suspects!

Doesn't really look good when you say it yourself.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Apr 07, 2022 5:38 pm LP was incredibly suspect of me, dolby, falcon. One of those is dead town

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:33 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:17 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:33 pm This is like the second Day 1 in a row where nothing has happened.

Tbf, this game is a 10player game with a post cap of 60. We're 1/3 of the way as a thread to that collective cap

The highest is 38 which is only about half? Like I get not hyper posting but I feel like there's just nothing happening at all.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:18 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:32 pm Why are games so dead on this site?

Some are playing more than others, it's the nature of the beast.



Do you feel you're contributing a lot to this game? Talk to me about your solve (including your feelings on my slot)




Plz & thx

I contributed a small amount this game at the start but it's been so slow for the second game in a row that I just disengaged myself with the game in hopes that a decent amount of posts pop up and I can get confident enough reads on people. It's been disappointing since.

In terms of my solve, HK, Scotty, Dolby, and LP have been my townleans at the start and most of that is just vibes.

And in terms of you I'm finding you to be scummy based on just how you're viewing aspects of the game and how you're answering questions directed to you.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:19 pm Per Hk's point of people are afraid of hitting jester, we have to elim wolves at some point, so being too hesitant probably won't behoove us much. Especially on Day 1 when we have the highest chance of missing the jester

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 1:17 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:33 pm This is like the second Day 1 in a row where nothing has happened.

Tbf, this game is a 10player game with a post cap of 60. We're 1/3 of the way as a thread to that collective cap

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:32 pm Why are games so dead on this site?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 12:34 pm I think there's a certain amount of fear that we're going to chop the jester today and the game will end.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Apr 06, 2022 8:48 am at some point I am going to advocate for killing dolby.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 8:02 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:55 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:37 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:33 pm So, the real question is @LinearPoint are you projecting onto Falcon what you view as scummy in your own play, or are you genuinely confused about how people come about scum reads in a mafia game, or do you think Falcon is lying, and is in fact mafia for it?

I haven't made a scummy post this game, so no, and he is lying I know that.
But he has made some posts that I don't fully expect from a Mafia.
I'm still leaning on Mafia. He's also not flipping Jester.

Only issue is I'm also still scum reading HK and Dolby with there being only 2 Mafia.
So 3 scum reads means I know I'm wrong one of them. Perhaps Dolby.

I have lost count of the number of times I've heard scum make this defense

How far did you get before losing count?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:37 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:33 pm So, the real question is @LinearPoint are you projecting onto Falcon what you view as scummy in your own play, or are you genuinely confused about how people come about scum reads in a mafia game, or do you think Falcon is lying, and is in fact mafia for it?

I haven't made a scummy post this game, so no, and he is lying I know that.
But he has made some posts that I don't fully expect from a Mafia.
I'm still leaning on Mafia. He's also not flipping Jester.

Only issue is I'm also still scum reading HK and Dolby with there being only 2 Mafia.
So 3 scum reads means I know I'm wrong one of them. Perhaps Dolby.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 3:42 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:30 pm LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

lol if you think LP has an ounce of jester energy in how they approached the game at first, you’re mistaken. LP as jester makes zero sense. Mafia, yes. LP didn’t intend to set themself up as a lynch target I don’t think.

Your comment here seems to imply that you think they’re just saying words to say words, like a jester. Even tho you’re currently voting there.

That’s why….

You could be the jester. Just scummy enough not to be a NK target.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:30 pm LP is moving pieces around, but not actually playing the game IMO

I mean you've made 24 useless posts, so I think I'm being far more productive than you.
Your reads are completely random with no logical thread connecting any of them. I wouldn't be surprised if you said after the game you've just been flipping coins.

Your read on Scotty being scum for voting you is lazy at best.
You also said one of me and LC are Mafia out of no where with the evidence of some vague notion that the interaction between the two of us is fake which doesn't even make sense for TvS as both players have to be in on it for it to be fake.
Like if I were HK I'd accuse you of being Jester with just how little effort you have put into anything and how you jump around from no votes to random votes.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:37 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:29 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:24 pm The main reason I'm not really worried about the Jester is because the way I see it a good Jester will be indistinguishable from a Mafia Goon.
So we just cannot actually find the Jester and the only way to really guarantee someone is a Jester is for the Cop to check them and either the Goon dies or the GF claims to say they are the Jester.
Neither of those outcomes I'm particularly banking on, so really it's not like actively searching for the Jester will help and worrying about "they might be Jester" just will lead to a lot of tied votes or barely voted on lynches.

Isn't a good Mafia Goon indistinguishable from a Vanilla Town?

So at the end of the day everyone is Town.
The end.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:24 pm The main reason I'm not really worried about the Jester is because the way I see it a good Jester will be indistinguishable from a Mafia Goon.
So we just cannot actually find the Jester and the only way to really guarantee someone is a Jester is for the Cop to check them and either the Goon dies or the GF claims to say they are the Jester.
Neither of those outcomes I'm particularly banking on, so really it's not like actively searching for the Jester will help and worrying about "they might be Jester" just will lead to a lot of tied votes or barely voted on lynches.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:05 pm gonna call nanook and falcon town as well.

dolby absolutely can be a wolf

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:59 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:51 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:44 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:42 am Claimed jester:
Marmot
NAA
Wilgy
HK (more below)

Not claimed jester:
Nook (though he technically did, it came off as more of a joke. He started by saying he was not a jester)
LP (is the Joker’s best friend, and {probably} jokingly started the game by saying they’d help the jester to win)
Me
Dolby (4) (hasn’t even joked about claiming jester)
Falcon (acting with illogic and ironically hasn’t claimed jester)
LC (made a jestery first post, but is adamantly denying making a jester claim)

Of those that have claimed jester, I’m more suspicious of HK after my brief ISO.
He starts by posting a picture of a catty-looking jester (or a jestery-looking cat, what have you) and coming out swinging by saying we should chip everyone that hasn’t claimed jester. A bold statement considering his later post:

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:23 am oh fun we're playing with legit OP Jester.

I don’t believe HK hadn’t read that portion of the game before dishing out lynch advice. This thought feels insincere

Check out that enthusiasm

So because I’m trying too hard… I’m not catching your implication. Do I look wolf or jester to you?

I feel I made that clear last night?


Maf

Oh I figured that was a joke because you were making up your mind on which or LP or LC were wolf, so you voted me.

Was I trying too hard yesterday? This resembles voting for someone and then making up reasons later on why you went there


Hence, you could definitely be jester

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:56 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:50 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:44 am Do you uh...think the other people were claiming jester seriously?

I’m just going on what people have literally claimed.
NAA is jester never rescinding
Wilgy looks to have seriously claimed jester
Marmot hasn’t *not* said he wasn’t serious about it in his 3 posts thus far
HK seems to be serious about it but hasn’t talked about it since D0.

"Just going on what people have claimed except for nanook who I decided was joking"

Not even getting into how weird it is to treat jester claims as being serious to begin with

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:51 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:44 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:42 am Claimed jester:
Marmot
NAA
Wilgy
HK (more below)

Not claimed jester:
Nook (though he technically did, it came off as more of a joke. He started by saying he was not a jester)
LP (is the Joker’s best friend, and {probably} jokingly started the game by saying they’d help the jester to win)
Me
Dolby (4) (hasn’t even joked about claiming jester)
Falcon (acting with illogic and ironically hasn’t claimed jester)
LC (made a jestery first post, but is adamantly denying making a jester claim)

Of those that have claimed jester, I’m more suspicious of HK after my brief ISO.
He starts by posting a picture of a catty-looking jester (or a jestery-looking cat, what have you) and coming out swinging by saying we should chip everyone that hasn’t claimed jester. A bold statement considering his later post:

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:23 am oh fun we're playing with legit OP Jester.

I don’t believe HK hadn’t read that portion of the game before dishing out lynch advice. This thought feels insincere

Check out that enthusiasm

So because I’m trying too hard… I’m not catching your implication. Do I look wolf or jester to you?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:42 am Claimed jester:
Marmot
NAA
Wilgy
HK (more below)

Not claimed jester:
Nook (though he technically did, it came off as more of a joke. He started by saying he was not a jester)
LP (is the Joker’s best friend, and {probably} jokingly started the game by saying they’d help the jester to win)
Me
Dolby (4) (hasn’t even joked about claiming jester)
Falcon (acting with illogic and ironically hasn’t claimed jester)
LC (made a jestery first post, but is adamantly denying making a jester claim)

Of those that have claimed jester, I’m more suspicious of HK after my brief ISO.
He starts by posting a picture of a catty-looking jester (or a jestery-looking cat, what have you) and coming out swinging by saying we should chip everyone that hasn’t claimed jester. A bold statement considering his later post:

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:23 am oh fun we're playing with legit OP Jester.

I don’t believe HK hadn’t read that portion of the game before dishing out lynch advice. This thought feels insincere

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:27 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Mon Apr 04, 2022 11:25 am which means the jester wants to be wolfy enough that the wolves won't NK them and not so wolfy that they're obvs the jester. That should narrow things down significantly. I think.

Also means wolves are more likely to claim jester tbh given that nobody actually wants to chop the jester here.

Also also means townies are less likely to claim jester. I think

What if…wolves might want to appear as level headed and towny as possible.

OR OR

maybe just godfather specifically. So when they get checked by cop they’ll be green.

And maybe the goon is claiming jester to blend in if they get copped


Checkmate

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 11:10 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 10:56 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:38 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:14 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:09 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

What makes you think this?

The way you both interact...it just feels...off?



Anyways,

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

He's prolly Godfather

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Falcon could be jester.

Then why are you voting me?

Because you’re trying too hard.

I think you look jestery. I’m not gonna vote for someone I think looks towny

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 9:38 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:14 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:09 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

What makes you think this?

The way you both interact...it just feels...off?



Anyways,

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

He's prolly Godfather

[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Falcon could be jester.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:09 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:08 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.

I feel like one of you is Maf, tho I'm unsure who atm

What makes you think this?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 1:05 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Apr 05, 2022 12:56 am I mean it's fair. I see why you town read them. I just think it's a little too focused on one thing.
And from the way I see it Jester is more a threat to Mafia since they want the Jester alive for protection from Cop, but not lynched because they lose.
They also just happen to be in the best position to actually know if someone is a Jester or not, so I'm thinking a focus on the Jester seems a bit more likely to come from Mafia.

Depends on how people play as 3P. I've seen players try to townside or just fuck around and be a circus act.
Also feels like it could suck for town, because like you're pointing out now, it's a distraction as well. The jester gets the attention, mafia could choose to either hide in the background or partake to blend in.
Literally just a chaotic role.