The Syndicate

Thinking about that too I don't think if the plan is wolf Mac bussing HK, which if HK is a wolf it was, that HK then tries to shut that down by pushing off Mac at EoD. Like why? Just let him die and claim the credit for himself rather than having to die. He already was being town read and the plan presumably already is being done

The fact I am one of her principal wolf reads is why I care about it over the others

I don't think wolves just sat around doing nothing for the whole day until they decided to EoD. And it's not like Mac was possibly going to die only at EoD, it was all day. And like I've said the way Risiinq has voted me is particularly bleh to me, saying Mac should be probably voted but she's just gonna vote me anyways, with other posts saying reasons he's town then ending in a wash.

Think the same applies to you if you're town but I don't recall personally the reads on you cause well, it's not me lmao. Though thinking about it, I think Jack was pushing you a lot, so that's another thing against him looking at it like that

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:58 pm Mafia Misplays: tantrums in a hammer free game 3 hours into sod

it's understandable and I've gotten annoyed at stuff a lot too this game so I don't blame him

I think your fervent annoyance about it is towny at least if it helps

I've literally already said I'll read your case and think about it lol, you're acting like Risiinq is going to die because of people saying things 3 hours into a day phase

also honestly trying to say you have a "GODREAD BECAUSE THIS" makes me just want to tell you stfu that just means you're pocketed because nothing you've done is convincing and half of why I keep saying you're compromised is because it's nonsense that Risiinq is giving specifically you credit over anyone else and seems just like it's made to appeal to you

actually I guess Jack was voting me at the EoD too

Though he wasn't wolf reading me ever before then. I'll think about it if he is a wolf, I've honestly barely read his posts

when I've seen town Risiinq I cared about what they post, when I see wolf Risiinq I don't care and they fade into the background. That's how it feels to me. They were wolf reading me and I think HK is less likely a wolf than them but I don't think Mac was the only one. I'm not making a whole case out of it

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:45 pm santy i just think the ris ur talking about is not the ris in this game tbh

yeah that's how I feel about it basically

nvm I don't remember where in his ISO he posted the thing I was going to quote

I will ISO mac 1 (one) time

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:41 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:29 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 10:26 pm my problem with snow is her trying to say she and santy were the ones who "took the pelt" when that's frankly incredibly wrong and i dont get why she would ever say that
I think the opposite and that ris is totally absolutely right with that.
Maybe missed some people, but me and them have certainly part of the pelt cuz like, we sussed Mac together and we stayed ln the wagon. Look at my votecounts of D2 ffs
it's not just abt wagon but about posts and reads and day 1

esooa and i were sussing mac since day 1

nah but santy posted that Risiinq voted Mac a couple times so actually ignore every other vote it was only Santy and Risiinq

compromised

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:15 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:13 pm no one has rly talked abt achro's death cuz good player died rip but we should also take in achro's reads and legacy
He did sus jack and you and santy.

He thought HK was town.

I was locked town in his pov.

not lily I don't think

Santy sorta but not really, I'm not sure. He did that thing like with Mac where he wolf reads them a lot but then keeps treating them like town lmao

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:11 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:09 pm I'll read Santy's post later lol I don't want to read that big of a post rn
Can you trust me in my ris read? They are not scum.

we have 48 hours, I'll think about it is all I'll say rn

I'll read Santy's post later lol I don't want to read that big of a post rn

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 9:06 pm i did think there was a possibility that mac just died to try and get w!hk in deeper lmao but i think thats a bit farfetched

I think if that's the case then his intentions are for HK to die not him but idk

still don't think HK is a wolf

santygrass wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:59 pm I even made a case on why Jack tr of Mac and how they voted in their favor, and how Mac tr of jack was HEDIOUS , specially looking at the solve Jack had

well I didn't read it so

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:43 pm Lol I caught Mac earlier than normal this game.

GG friend.

Now we continue our campaign against the [VOTE: Neon] aubergine menace.

Neon was way too confident that a wolf who was about to flip wolf was a towny to be a wolf imo

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:40 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:39 pm like spending half the day going "I think Mac is maybe a wolf for these reasons he probably can be a wagon, but I'm just gonna vote Esooa anyways" isn't great !
you are SO mischaracterizing my whole game and my whole eod

i was on you for like ONE SECOND

I wasn't intending to say half the day phase was only EoD

It was half the day phase

I'm leaving now fr

like spending half the day going "I think Mac is maybe a wolf for these reasons he probably can be a wagon, but I'm just gonna vote Esooa anyways" isn't great !

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:37 pm
Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:33 pm
risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:16 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:15 pm
risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:14 pm btw, santy is clear
Not yet. Mac was flailing. He doesn't get that pelt.
yes he does, and i do too.

santy and i were the first people onto mac that didnt fall off
this is a very very bold statement
it is kinda true though. everyone else was onto santy or hk, in which santy is near locktown for me and hk is randtown bcuz of how mac treated himn, but i have to recheck that later tbh

ah and you were only voting the other counterwagon, me

Except you gave yourself a way out surely for towny reasons

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:29 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:28 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:27 pm
risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:26 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:25 pm
risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:24 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:21 pm

But when he did the esooa flashwagon to cw his own, it was w/w in your eyes?

Make it make sense
it would look even worse if he ignored one of the flashwagons

so i will drop my argument and just say

you cannot say esooa/mac unpaired because of the eod

that will be the point i will hold onto
Ma'am explain
mac is smart enough to vote any wagon at that point because if he refrains from voting his wolfmates that is too paired
okay then literally why do half of the posts you have posted today exist if you are also saying this
confbias question btw
"hey if you think wolf mac doesnt avoid his teammates like the plague, then explain why you guys had a conversation? hm?" because literally all of us had a conversation with mac? poor questioning

yea obviously that is what I meant

And not the very easy point of, why when brought up she gives excuses like this about the fact Mac pushed me half this game, but at the same time is saying him while he's dying putting 1 vote on her is clearing

It's not real

I do not believe wolves just sat around to not push me while I was being voted for literally no reason half this game. Santy I think had a decent EoD even if cringe and I re-read some of him and think he's given a lot of good thoughts so is prob town, though I've not read Mac at all btw

HK is just trolling and can't read my posts so voted me and also is probably town because of the n1 things

and Risiinq has done none of that

that makes zero sense

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:26 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:25 pm
risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:24 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:21 pm
risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:20 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:19 pm
risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:18 pm and like

mac tried to kill me at eod

bruh
tried to kill you? One vote to his 8? That is what death is to you?
yeah
But when he did the esooa flashwagon to cw his own, it was w/w in your eyes?

Make it make sense
it would look even worse if he ignored one of the flashwagons

so i will drop my argument and just say

you cannot say esooa/mac unpaired because of the eod

that will be the point i will hold onto
Ma'am explain
mac is smart enough to vote any wagon at that point because if he refrains from voting his wolfmates that is too paired

okay then literally why do half of the posts you have posted today exist if you are also saying this

I don't think at all that you think it's a valid argument that a literal dying wolf put a paltry amount of votes on you so you're town

I do not believe a towny posts what you are posting

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:18 pm and like

mac tried to kill me at eod

bruh

tried to kill you? One vote to his 8? That is what death is to you?

@santygrass you are compromised

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:16 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:15 pm
risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:14 pm btw, santy is clear
Not yet. Mac was flailing. He doesn't get that pelt.
yes he does, and i do too.

santy and i were the first people onto mac that didnt fall off

LMFAO

neon never with mac too btw

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:09 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:08 pm Anyway we got a wolf.

Esooa flashwagon was wolves saving Mac.
No, i am not convinced esooa/mac is v/w

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Sep 14, 2022 8:12 pm like, bruh, i am so blatantly unpaired with mac it's not even funny

I am voting you when the poll is available

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:28 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:27 pm risiinq is a wolf and I'm killing her tomorrow
If Mac flips W tomorrow you sheep me tbh

if the person I'm wolf reading and started voting before you flips wolf? cause what? You did this? lmfao

neon is still posting towny too

risiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 7:46 pmSnow has not been towny by their measures. The reactions they've made do not come across like someone doing anything but trying to survive.
i think my actions in this game make sense in terms of my first game here, bbut also how it's like 5000 posts already where most of the posts made are when im sleeping/gone from thread

dont see how im just trying to stay alive when no one suspects me tho

like what are these posts about "my first game here"

You've played mafia before? It's the literal same game? You've done nothing this game and your only post I read earlier was you going "I read, don't care, think the same" and I don't even know what that same is except voting people 4fun of it

risiinq is a wolf and I'm killing her tomorrow

I thought the day was over honestly until I checked thread just barely but I'm not giving more, if I die you're all literally awful at the game so not my fault

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:15 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 8:01 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 7:52 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 7:48 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 7:47 pm it's infinitely more fun to troll nanook than it is to try to solve him
Where are wolves, old-thing? Help Queek. No be troll-thing.
1-2 within achro, esooa, mac, nanook

none within jack, sabi, porscha, wigly, risiinq

1-2 within santy, lilypetal, neon

I would shoot nanook with a dayvig gun if I had one because I have a burning need to know if he's wolf trying to push me off of meta he has or if he's town and believes his read.

I would chop esooa before I chop mac, and before I chop achro, unless mac flips town in which case chop both of them.

That's about where I am Queekers
Very good, pawn-lackey. Talk to Queek about Esooa. Queek thinks Achro and Mac things are town. Queek thought Esooa was town, too, but old-thing and beard-thing both say maybe Esooa have furry wolf-thing tail. Maybe Queek miss something while doing more important tasks, yes-yes.
I did not like how she sheeped the push Nanook started. I think she's been opportunistic and she's painted herself into a worlds corner without really being willing to re-evaluate those worlds. Her tone feels flat to me and there's none of that normal solving hunger I associate with her. It's very viby. If I'm alive tomorrow and you are too I'll pull quotes where I think she's been not town.

With regards to painting herself into corners I mean she's got a strong wolf read on me and a strong wolf read on Mac and while it may look on the surface that we're partnered given how vociferous I've been about town reading Mac he's not reciprocated so if I flip wolf Mac is almost always going down the next day.

Like in no universe is wolf HK going to town read wolf mac as much as I do because again, hard paired from the HK ISO perspective. Very few worlds will wolf HK town read town Mac that hard, again because the most common "next day" response that happens is "of course HK had TMI on Mac".

Sure, town HK could town read wolf Mac that hard, I've been snowed before. I don't think I am.

yeah wolves stopped pushing you because of your good posts like not reading the fucking game

You can't find a single post from this day I wolf read you

You can't

If you're not going to play don't play, you don't need to pretend to by posting bullshit you realize

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:41 pm Is there a correct way to ISO? Cuz when I did the post search on Sabi it bringed me up even results from post in other topics wowee. And I hate that quotes just dont let me read the content sabi put in a post wowee

go to the hustle, click replies, then click on the number of posts a person has and it'll show you only their posts

Or if not on mobile click the post number under their pfp

The above is why Mac kills OW

Like, a wolf playing as Wilgy or Nanook are just won't stand up to Achro or Mac come later in the game. They just won't. So Achro and Mac need to die.

Achro or Mac as wolves will be sus'd out by the fact they are alive because they are supposed to be dying with how they are posting/usually do. So they can't make kills that are normal, onto for example the other in the pair. It'll just lead people to them. Leaving the other alive gives more options for people to be paranoid of, and confuses the NKA.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:17 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:11 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:09 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:06 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:03 pm The last point/sentence is refering on why they could've picked Visor as a kill to maintain status , idk if that is not explained well or what. Like adds up to the equity lf them being Wolf?
Cuz for example Wilgz would be a better kill to maintain status in my mind, them not doing that also speak for the UTR slots
you mean Wilgy not dying over OW when they're similar ones is why Wilgy is more likely a wolf?

I mean sure that on it's own is possible but I don't see why Wilgy specifically is wanting to kill someone like OW either is the problem there

In the scenario where hk is a wolf, and me/lily/achro are town, dont you think that Visor being a kill points more of other of the UTR slots being rand > W ?
I dont say that Wilg wanted to kill outed wolf, just saying that the wolf mindset of killing to maintain status and stuff there it would fit better with other slots then, and them bot being the kill then should be taken into account
I mean, maintaining status by killing a lower impact slot can be done if the wolves are primarily in people everyone thinks is going to be NK'd. Because an off kill throws them off tracks rather than backing the wolves into a corner in later kills. But, maintaining status as a general kill is done by killing louder and solving voices because once you get rid of everyone that has the WIM to reevaluate constantly and post about alignments a bunch you end up in way more of a stagnant game. So I think Wilgy being the latter matters more than the fact that Wilgy didn't die for this specifically
Ehh idk if I particularly agree? In sf2 a big part of why we decided to nk a slot, was because he was townreading 2 slots that were yeet material. And it would make just life easier for us. Even deciding to leave other slot (Fext) which had a lot of threadpull and was wary/sussing me. Idk if I fully agree or understand your view of how kills to maintain status are carried

I'm not talking particularly about the reads people who die have, but their post tendencies, whether it's low-impact with less posts like OW or higher impact with more posts like Achro. Wolves p often kill their opposites I guess you could say there and that's been true in some way in I think every game I've played since I started again, at least what I remember. For the reasons I explained and other things. So OW dying isn't scum indicative for people like Wilgy but Mac instead

And this is part of why I scum read you, as Visor did, and Mac, as he is a frequent night kill as town

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:09 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:06 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:03 pm The last point/sentence is refering on why they could've picked Visor as a kill to maintain status , idk if that is not explained well or what. Like adds up to the equity lf them being Wolf?
Cuz for example Wilgz would be a better kill to maintain status in my mind, them not doing that also speak for the UTR slots
you mean Wilgy not dying over OW when they're similar ones is why Wilgy is more likely a wolf?

I mean sure that on it's own is possible but I don't see why Wilgy specifically is wanting to kill someone like OW either is the problem there

In the scenario where hk is a wolf, and me/lily/achro are town, dont you think that Visor being a kill points more of other of the UTR slots being rand > W ?
I dont say that Wilg wanted to kill outed wolf, just saying that the wolf mindset of killing to maintain status and stuff there it would fit better with other slots then, and them bot being the kill then should be taken into account

I mean, maintaining status by killing a lower impact slot can be done if the wolves are primarily in people everyone thinks is going to be NK'd. Because an off kill throws them off tracks rather than backing the wolves into a corner in later kills. But, maintaining status as a general kill is done by killing louder and solving voices because once you get rid of everyone that has the WIM to reevaluate constantly and post about alignments a bunch you end up in way more of a stagnant game. So I think Wilgy being the latter matters more than the fact that Wilgy didn't die for this specifically

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 4:03 pm The last point/sentence is refering on why they could've picked Visor as a kill to maintain status , idk if that is not explained well or what. Like adds up to the equity lf them being Wolf?
Cuz for example Wilgz would be a better kill to maintain status in my mind, them not doing that also speak for the UTR slots

you mean Wilgy not dying over OW when they're similar ones is why Wilgy is more likely a wolf?

I mean sure that on it's own is possible but I don't see why Wilgy specifically is wanting to kill someone like OW either is the problem there

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Sep 13, 2022 3:59 pm And like, there were a lot of vocal voices that influenced the ~vibes~ not being good in thread I'd say. So I dont think Visor Kill to maintain status is crazy to imagine ?

Porscha was more town read and seems to fit the description of what you're saying wolves want in killing

Risiinq

Sabi

Wilgy

etc

There's a reason OW was chosen over all of them and I don't think you can just say "some of them made the thread have bad vibes"

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