The Syndicate

SVS -I will try to explain better. I know I'm a civ - maybe I'm just ultra paranoid and other's don't feel the same way I do, but I get worried when people find me too agreeable. I think they are being nice to me so that I won't see them sneaking up to kill me. -

I wasn't mad - just full of high ABV beer. Went to a beer tasting event last night. Arrived early - was mafiaing during the pre-event beer time.

I don't think epi is an underdog, but I think his actual contributions to the thread have been overlooked. I agreed completely with his assessment of the Day 0 lynch options. FZ pointed out that Epi did bring up some useful info about Snowman the last cycle. He was a pretty vocal defender against a llama lynch last day. Those are three things he's added to the game off the top of my head.

Like I said last night, I think his posts have fallen into three catagories: useful ones, frustrated ones, and fuck it I don't care anymore posts. I think when a person is as vocal as Epi can be, it's easy to take the frustrated posts and the eff it, IDC anymore ones and make someone seem like they aren't doing much. Also, as I said, I am giving some pause to the fact that llama and eloh don't seem to find him bad at this time either.

Cute goggie is cute! Thanks! I still have puppies, like children, no matter how old they get, they are always puppies to mom.

I have to work now and I'm supposed to be done at 5 - which is a bit close to lynch ending time for my liking. I will vote later today after the lunch rush most likely - and from my phone.

I'm pretty sure I'm going with Snowman though.

zeek wrote:My problem with Epi right now is that MM's case was good. It showed how inconsistent he has been and his responses have done little to convince me he's good. His tone, deflated and dejected, has however. So I'm back and forth on him.

Then we have Snowman. His responses don't seem genuine to me and he doesn't actually seem frustrated by all this, half-heartedly NO U'ing his detractors.

Still a fair amount of time before the lynch ends but, honestly, these guys may be aligned with Kira but I really doubt either is one.

If not them, who?

ok - now I have to drag my ass to bed.

Tomorrow morning comes too early to the girl who worked nights all week.

dunno if anyone is TH - I just know my own personal paranoia kicks in when people put too much faith in my goodness with little reasoning.

And quite possibly you are right TH - maybe there isn't cred in this game per say, but you can't deny that a Kiria is still trying to look as in thread civ friendly as possible.

I know if I were in Snowman's position, and I had the role I do have, I'd be worried about why some people are so certian I deserve the benifit of the doubt. But maybe I'm just super paranoid.

And while there's no "civ cred" in the standard sense - you can't tell me that if snowman gets lynched and turns up a kira or sympathizer that it won't change how LOTS of people look at zombra or llama. Because it will. Just like you flat out asked zombra to take responsibility if snowman flipped detective. If someone is going to change their opinion of the lynch leaders in that sort of lynch based on how he flips - why WOULDN'T the same people look at the people that supported him in the same context?

Snowman - thank you for the response. I disagree with you but I appreciate your response.

linki - good question TH.

Snowman wrote:The Story So Far...

Epi was getting rowdy, accusing people left and right, but never voting for them to be lynched. People noticed, people began to accuse him, when out of the blue, Llama swooped in, accusing Snowman with loud, frequent, baseless posts, beginning with:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Boo doesn't think it's role related so I'm curious what he thinks it is.

Boo has already answered this question. Why not ask something new?

Because I'm still interested in this discussion. What do you think I should be talking about?

Something less boring than Russ, which has been covered to death and which only he knows the answer to. Boring, boring, boring!

And as we all know...

(huge picture about boredom deleted due to size)

Why not talk about Snowman? Now he is interesting...

As compelling an argument as that was (and frankly, I must agree with that one point alone), he persisted for exactly one bazillion posts, quoting himself, using circular logic, and overall making baseless accusations, counting on rote repetition to serve as a suitable replacement for logic or evidence.

Llama then began to craft his own "evidence", which amounted to 1) Snowman doesn't post much (no one posts as much as Llama, but I've posted everyday since the game began), 2) Snowman hasn't defended himself, and therefore, is guilty (there was nothing to contradict, because Llama never presented any evidence, nor made any specific accusations), and 3) Snowman makes too many jokes (that's not what yo momma said).

Finally, Llama's saber-rattling elevated to the point where he was almost killed for it in a near-three way tie that ultimately ended in BWT's lynch. He dialed it waaaaaaaay back, leaving room for Zombaddie to take the reins in the anti-Snowman campaign, possibly spurred on by a recent death in another game. Contrary to Llama, Zombad actually offered some evidence--Snowman is sneaky.

Yes I am. I'm a high school physics teacher IRL, and it is to my benefit to think one step ahead of 160 little juvenile delinquents. I know when you are texting during class, I know when you are cheating off of your friend--and I know when you're targeting low-hanging fruit in order to delay and distract attention away from your Kira buddies.

Based on their actual behavior, I think the clear choices for the lynch are:

Llama
Zombad
Russ
Epi

Vote for me if you will. But doing so will further strengthen and embolden the Kiras, and you won't get anymore of this:

While I enjoyed the elephant gif a lot. I disagree with your list. I've read russ as actually saying pretty sane and decent things since he started posting and I have fairly good feels about most of the others on your list.

As I'm reading it - the only reason you suspect Zombra is because she is convinced you are bad. Is there something else there you are seeing that I'm too dense to get? From where I'm sitting - she's reading pretty up front and genuine.

I'm curious what they have in common - in your eyes - that links them as kira's together outside of their suspicion of you.

Do you find anything at all curious about the people who don't suspect you? Or even the people who seem to defend you? Does it not strike you odd that in a game with such little BTS that you have such vocal defenders? Aren't you just the least bit worried about the idea that they might be kissing up to you so that you don't suspect them? Or so - if you are lynched - they look good for defending you?

What about the people dropping off the radar - like DP and Bass and Made?

DharmaHelper wrote:

bea wrote:Svs - he's done it too - but that Blaime can be spread far and wide amongst the what did you call it like day one "alpha male syndrome "?

Bullz was pretty reasonable in his point about mm's case being pate and post vote in an unchangeable vote game.

Dh's posts to Epi read very pot and kettle to me ATM. Between the two I'm reading Epi as more genuine.

Have I struck you as the sort to take my ball and go home?

DH - that was not what I was saying and you know it.

SVS was refering to epi's hair splitting - which yes - I think you, TH, Epi, llama and boo have all done in equal measure. You all have spent a decent amount of time hair splitting with each other and not finding Kira's - so from any of you - slamming Epi for not calling out Kira's as a reason why he's a Kira feels very pot/kettle to me.

In this one case....maybe llama. Are you ok with that?

I'm mafiaing while waiting on dinner date during cocktail hour - I did forget he voted Epi day2. Is it at all possible that mm and you are just misguided really Epi? And/or am I that blindsided by him? In which I'm not the only one
Elohim and llama both seem to think a vote there is a poor vote am I the only person that makes atop to pause re: Epi? Dinner starting now and phone super low on battery

Yes - thank you.

Boom. Sorry about that. I am multitasking from my phone. Between typing issues and distractions and beer. Yea.

Linkie - I do agree with you about snowman though - that felt as out of context as you could pull a.post.

Linkie - booms post was fair. About mm's case being odd post actually ya know - voting because this.is not a vote changeable game.

For me its the vote first case later bit.

Svs - he's done it too - but that Blaime can be spread far and wide amongst the what did you call it like day one "alpha male syndrome "?

Bullz was pretty reasonable in his point about mm's case being pate and post vote in an unchangeable vote game.

Dh's posts to Epi read very pot and kettle to me ATM. Between the two I'm reading Epi as more genuine.

Fwiw - I liked that answer zombra. Also it shouldn't be worth much tbh

DharmaHelper wrote:This is a question that comes up frequently in situations such as this and I want to ask Zomberella:

You seem perfectly content to reap the rewards if Snowman is bad. Would you shoulder the blame if Snowman is good?

That is a fair and good question dh - why can't I do good questions like that?

@ svs - I read that post as genuine frustration.for me I see three types of posts from him this game. Trying to help, frustration, and fuck it. Idc. Anymore

He's getting flack for not narrowing down a Kira but has any of the people accusing him of this done that either? Or have.they split hairs and nitpicked a lot?

Epi feels genuine in these posts. And Fwiw -i think he's contributed far more than I have even if it has been tough at times to get to it.

boo wrote:We should lynch llama.

I disagree.

S~V~S wrote:

bea wrote:MM - nice case! :nod: I'll admit, I've just kinda been skimming Epi - looking for stuff that actually helps and sorta ignoring the wonky. I could see myself voting there.

OMG Zombra's avi. You two have a super fun marriage don't you?

So, I think it was SVS (?) thinking that the LC kill was probably done by a Rev player. Does anyone have any feelings on this? BR - any ideas on who might have wanted LC out of the picture?

Hubby has a dental apt in like an hour - not sure if we are running around between then and our dinner date, but I will keep up on my phone (what else am I going to do while I'm sitting in the waiting room? )

I said the opposite, I think it wasn't a RM player. I think its recent, not older history.

OK - thanks for clarifying SVS - I was skimming along last night at work. Go figure I misremembered. Sorry bout that.

@ zombra, can't I believe you and still admire the style in which you express your convictions?

MM - nice case! :nod: I'll admit, I've just kinda been skimming Epi - looking for stuff that actually helps and sorta ignoring the wonky. I could see myself voting there.

OMG Zombra's avi. You two have a super fun marriage don't you?

So, I think it was SVS (?) thinking that the LC kill was probably done by a Rev player. Does anyone have any feelings on this? BR - any ideas on who might have wanted LC out of the picture?

Hubby has a dental apt in like an hour - not sure if we are running around between then and our dinner date, but I will keep up on my phone (what else am I going to do while I'm sitting in the waiting room? )

good lord I'm redundant first thing in the morning.


lol - dh - if there's anything else I can to to "clarify" let me know. God I suck.

awe - I wasn't even gone that long and I was missed. *feels the love* It warms my heart it does.

Just weird scheduling cause me to drop off there yesterday. Stayed up far to late Sat night (6 am) in an attempt to try to figure out how to ninja my hubby's up coming birthday. (Still not very far along on that front sadly ) - Went to bed - woke up in time to make it to work at 4 - closed - came home ate dinner and bed. Just now getting moving and getting some coffee in me.

DH - I said FZ's case felt kinda like a No U as I was reacting to it yes. And yes, it oddly did kinda help ease my feelings toward her. I expected her to bite back and she did. I would have been sketched out if she just sorta blew it off. Does that make more sense? Also my bad feelings about her eased as we talked through out the day more. I wouldn't say she's in my super trust list. I don't think anyone is there yet. But I don't necessicarly think she has earned my vote again either. Does that make more sense?

sorry I missed the joke - I'm 6 beers in and one foot in bed and your comment to my post was how I posted and not about anything I actually said. I can see where you were trying to be funny - can you see why it might have hit me wrong?

Now I really am off to bed.

k - i'm off to sleep for a few hours now.

DharmaHelper wrote:I was gonna try and keep trucking through my catch up then I read beas post. lol no.


@Eloh - I said the 58% thing, but I think the bulk of the "Eloh is trying to rationalize her kills" suspicion came from the highlighted area.

I've been saying this for a while now. Someone else, DH, Ace, can't remember said that 58% of us don't want to kiss non-detectives. This game seems to be less of a civvie/baddie/independant type game. Even as a viewer of the show, (as I said before) it's difficult to decide who to go for....Light or the Detectives. Both feel they are doing what is good and right.

I honestly think it might be best that we stop referring to each other as civ or bad and instead as kira or detectives.

Which are all things you said.

So that way was wrong too? Would you rather I go back to just posting a reply to every post I read so you wake up to like 10000 posts from me? I miss alot on weekends because of time zones and because I don't get done working till after 2 AM my time. Literally everyone in the world is asleep. Help me help you make my catch up posts less painful.

Or don't laugh at me.

Either or.

ok - see - that right there is just funny.

have a brownie SVS. (wot? cookies are your thing. I'll give brownies. )

linkie- fair enough epi - I subbed in late in the monopoly game so I missed that discussion.

I look forward to hearing why you think boo is no good. And if your view that he is no good is stronger than your view that SVS is no good.

OMG - eloh - I love the stories about the kids. Really. Makes me a) miss my nieces and nephews and b) wish I was closer to yours so I could help corrupt them. If anything just to wach Epi sweat!

Thanks for providing some feed back about where you see him ATM - you'll let us know if that changes yes?

What did you think about my assesment of the whole TH is a Death God thing? I'm curious as to whether or not you think I'm reading it right as we were both on the hard end of that GOC game that made the current infodumping thing a thing. I know your time is limited - but where might you be looking at for baddies tomorrow?

also - the night time shenanagans made me roll with lots of giggles. Thanks for that.

Part of me kinda wishes I was playing sucky so I could let Golden sub in. Golden were were you a month ago when I was over worked and over stressed???

OMG - MM - I should have played re-read the way you played catch up! Well done.

So first of all - BWT - I'm in agreement with boo - it's about third best outcome. He was definately not a detective though so I'm counting it as a win.

LC - wow. I totally didn't see that coming. Someone wanted him gone right quick. Not sure who though. I could meta guess at a few names, but I have nothing solid and thread based to go on ATM. If we're lucky he was youshowoamkia or a non bts kira sympathizer. I didn't have the best feels about him. But I never do.

I get not talking at night, so if these don't get answered till the night poll, I'm cool with that, just getting a few questions into the thread so that I hopefully don't forget I have them.

@ zombra - I saw that you didn't agree with a Snowman lynch because the reasoning was weak, yet you seemed to agree with llama's post giving him credit for being not a noob and not being able to use being a noob after this game. This reads rather contardictory to me. On one hand you don't agree with the reason his main suspector feels he's bad, on the other hand you agree with his main suspector. Are you saying you think Snowman is bad, but not for those reasons? If so what reasons do you have for thinking he's bad? As your posts read to me going through them, they felt like you were dancing around the subject not wanting to take a stance one way or the other about Snowman. Since you know him more intimately than anyone, I'm curious as to what your read of him is. Do you think he is civ or not? When you've caught up on the stuff you skipped during this lynch due to time, I'd like to hear your thoughts on others as well.

I like the pulled up side by side post you made in that it put the four roles all together in one spot and was helpful for reading. Here's the problem I have with it though, You list common characteristics that those roles have - and while the *roles* have them, the players aren't going to exhibit those roles necessarily in the thread. Just picking an arbirtrary name here - SockAlex could be Kira X. The ROLE of Kira X could be greedy and power hungry as all get out. And when he sends in his kills at night, he can be as greedy as possible. IN THE THREAD however, SockAlex is going to do everything he can to not appear to behave like his role. He's going to be reasonable and thoughtful. He's going to try to blend in and be as "typical SockAlex" as he can. If that means he's normally agressive, he's going to be agressive, if he's normally a low poster, he's going to post low. etc etc etc. Does that make sense and/or helpful? Am I being pedantic? Cuz I kinda feel like I am, but I'm into beer 3 so I'm not sure. I don't mean to sound like I'm talking down to you or telling you something you already know. If I am reading that way, I do not intend to and I'm sorry.


@ Snowman, in all fairness - what do you think of how Zombra's been playing so far? Is she reading on the up and up to you? Besides llama, who else will you be looking at going into the next lynch?

@ epi - I've been playing the game since the start - so I'll ask it - what do you think of eloh in a game related sense? Do you think she's a civ or no? And why please.

@ eloh - same question - what do you think of epi in a game sense. Do you think he's a civ or no? And why please. Also, Eloh - regarding TH: I haven't really been putting much stock in his role claim or lack there of tbh. If it were true, I can't imagine there not being conciquences for it as this is THE NEXT GAME after this all blew up during GOC. TBH, I've seen TH claim nothing. I've seen him act like the Death God because other people accuse him of that role. Because it's kinda funny, but I don't think TH is necessarily that role or that it's confirmed in any way. Not sure what role TH has, but tbh, I suspect it isn't the one he's accused of having.

@ FZ - did you read all that crazy "we should lynch the kira's then the detective's" etc from Made? THAT'S bat shite crazy IDC Made I was talking about. This game is ripe for his special brand of crazy spit balling that makes you go "Dude?? WTF are you talking about???"


@ Made - DUDE?????? WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT???? You know the detectives are civs right?

I actually agreed with quite a bit of Rusty's post during the post lynch. I hope I'm around when that day phase discussion happens.

Ok - I have to put shoes on and get to work. Imma vote Teefies. I'm not sold that llama is being anything more than llama. don't feel great about voting for Snowman either.

LOL - boo - has your opinion changed on teefies? I mean even if we are a day late, you agreed then with what was noticed today.

linki - haven't seen anything from her that I can remember since the beginning of the cycle when she said she agreed that we should look at snowman because he's a psychologigist (or something like that ) IRL so he knows how to be manipulative.

FZ. wrote:

bea wrote:@ FZ - you're not the only one keeping an eye on teefies. He's on my watch list too. Teefies, LC, Made - though his post does bring up a good point, he's still someone I keep forgetting is playing and that's really weird as Made is pretty unforgettable. BR not because I suspect her per say but because I'm still trying to figure out how to read her in general. Outside of saying she wouldn't mind seeing more discussion on Snowman has Zombra been back to offer any more insights in light of the new Snowman discussion?

Oh yeah, I mean to comment on your previous post. Since no one is seeing baddie Bea, and apparently, I'm out of my game this game, I'm willing to wait and see how this continues.

Why are you keeping an eye on BWT, and is it enough for a vote? What has Made said that has got you worried other than you forgetting he's even playing?
As for LC, I started thinking he's acting very not like him, but lately, he feels more genuine and trying.


linki: I'll address these later

BWT - he's really really good at doing the "see all sides of the arguments" posts. He looks like he's concidering options and sometimes they feel genuine and sometimes they don't. I totally see what you are seeing in regards to his wanting answers from TH and Russ - saying he doesn't need them from Rusty and voting anyway. Feels like he knew how he wanted to vote and just set up a circumstance to make it look like he was giving Rusty a chance. TH never did answer his question like at all. I guess the thing that worries me most with Teefies is why did Rusty earn the vote but TH didn't? (Sorry TH - I was gonna sum up the question at some point today but tbh after a few pages, I don't remember it exactly anymore. It had something to do with your early vote for Llama though I think.) Compounded by not again asking he question when TH specificlly asked him to feels a lot like that was just pomp and cirucmstances to find a reason to vote the way he wanted to vote. Not sure if it's enough for a vote, but it may be where I end up going.

LC - So for most players I tend to run with the idea that they are all on the up and up and look for things that seem odd. This is not the case for LC. My meta experience with LC has left me just kinda always thinking he's bad and him having to work very hard to earn my trust. He knows this. We've post game talked a lot. Even when I think LC is civ, I'm always waiting for the other shoe to drop. He's as good of a mafia player as he is a civ, he's great at switching sides which makes him a prime candidate for recruitment any time that sort of mechanic is in play. I agree his posts read genuine. I also believe that this is an easy game to fall behind in and easy for players to hide in that "I'm super busy, I'm trying really!!" sort of posting. His posts tend to - much like svs said of epi - follow points of the game rather than players. It gives the appearance of contributing without contributing. Especially in a game with so much hair splitting.

Made - It's kinda the opposite reason for LC. Again, I get that RL is busy. He probably is swapped with school. My meta with him is that he tends to flounder a bit when he's bad but he's pretty ballz out right in the thick of things when he's a civ and figures he's got nothing to loose. The particular structures of this game (IE - the lack of baddie bts) seem taylor made for Made to shine, and I'm not really seeing that yet - which is a bit troubling.


linki - more linki - Daisy.

@ FZ - you're not the only one keeping an eye on teefies. He's on my watch list too. Teefies, LC, Made - though his post does bring up a good point, he's still someone I keep forgetting is playing and that's really weird as Made is pretty unforgettable. BR not because I suspect her per say but because I'm still trying to figure out how to read her in general. Outside of saying she wouldn't mind seeing more discussion on Snowman has Zombra been back to offer any more insights in light of the new Snowman discussion?

OMG! You guys! you are making my head hurty again and it was only just starting to feel better from yesterday.

So, snowman came back in and said something more substantial. I did get the feeling reading that he was struggling to keep up more than he didn't care.

So to answer your question TH -yea that does help. I was 3 beers in last night and this thread literally caused a mental breakdown. I'm glad I waited till the morning to make up my mind. I believe SVS has said I "get bitchy" or something of the sort when I'm a civ - I chalk that up to beer Bea. I try to balance beer Bea with coffee Bea.

Boo. Wow. That's a heck of a well written case.

llama troubles me because llama always troubles me. I often don't see what he sees and I have no idea when he's being stubborn and obsitnate (I say that lovingly llama) because if he's bad or if he's good. He always just reads that way and I seem to remember him being good more than bad. So yea. Troubling llama is troubling.

FZ - believe it or not - you bringing up a case against me - as well as your posts today - feel much more like the FZ I know and love. I've even agreed with you a couple times during my catch up. I do disagree with your assesment of SVS - I'm not seeing anything shadey from her at this moment. I'm willing to admit my heebiejeebies may have been preemptive. How bout we both keep an eye on each other and also everyone keeps an eye on LC because that cat is shifty. Not necessarily in a this game sense - but in an always sense.

I'm having a really hard time trying to figure out who to vote for you guys. There's been so much hair splitting that my split end's split ends have split ends. I'm starting to wish the DP option for Day 0 won.

So - ya'll make my head hurt and caused me to steal one more beer than I should have.

Keep this up and I'm stealing SVSs cookie stash.

Here's the thing I find troubling about Snowman. Even with 10 pages of catching up, he had to see in the first page or so that he was getting heat. He was here tonight - and the whole thread rejoiced to hear his input. You'd think that would make him go "Oh, I should prolly get up to speed if everyone's so anxious to hear what I have to say."

And he jokes around a bit more and leaves. Nothing more about not being quite caught up and will finish in the am - nothing addressing *anything* that's been said about him. Some jokes and he's out.

I know Donner was unconventional because so many people keep saying it was. But ya'll lynched people in the game right? I mean, it shouldn't be too hard for a guy in his second game to figure out that more than one person suspects his behavior and he should prolly come talk about it right?

To me, that coupled with everything else that's been said about him. Make me think my vote is likely going there tomorrow. I'm willing to sleep on it. Because I always prefer voting a late as I can anyway. But yea. Not lookin' so good Mr. Snowman.

Turnip Head wrote:Where are you looking for this lynch, Bea?

Honestly not sure yet. At work now so prolly done with things till I get home tonight
I plan on taking a look at a few people.

Cool - thanks!

Rico - so no way to know at.this point then?

I was wondering from thiose who know the source material better - could "possetion of a death note" just be source speak for "kills on even/odd nights"? PR am I trying to make things too simple and missing something.

@ LC - I totally get it. I actually agree with you that it will initially be hard to make cases on anyone as far as connections go because of the limited bts. I get it. That's why I went back and re-read you during my coffee time. Wanted to see if my "beer" thoughts panned out with my "coffee thoughts." Still keeping my eye on you though. You know how I feel about you.

I like your use of waton there. Makes the whole thing sound lewd and dirty.

zeek posted when he was annouced - was that before or after the NP?

Linkie -lol - I was going to start today by saying LC fit that "people you expect to be more vocal but could be hiding in the wings for nefarious reasons." I went back and re-read his posts though and they do feel like they are trying to contribute while falling behind in the thread. IDK yet with him, but the thought has crossed my mind.

FZ. wrote:At the risk of sounding even more not in the midst of things "like you expect FZ", what has been revealed, and what is everyone talking about when asking about Epi and the eye?

To conclude, because this is a long post:
1. She's using other's suspicions not giving anything of her own.
2. Her reasoning for going after me are the same as what she's accused me of doing, not to mention she keeps saying how I supposedly play, yet she's never seen me as a baddie.
3. She's asking a lot of questions but not saying anything conclusive apart from her "gut feeling" about me. It's like she seems right in the middle of things, but it feels not genuine

1) Yup. I do that a lot. Because I'm not the world's greatest case maker. I often spend the first few days of a new game reading and asking questions and pointing out what I agree with because it helps me find my footing and helps me to try to figure out who I trust. Excepting that game on K-site, where I was the info role, have you ever seen me be the sort of player that builds cases or agressively go after people.
2) I agreed with svs that your suspicion of zombra was odd because you were doing the same thing and she was a new player. Yup. I did that too. I am saying that I expect to see different things from you based on past behavior and I'm not seeing all those things. You were totes right that Tricey was looking other places. Yup I agreed with that. I did not agree with zombra and your suspicion of me kinda feels like a No U. I'm used to a different sort of FZ. I could be wrong, you could be civ in this game too - but your behavior here feels different from how it did at the beginning of the champions game when I was pretty positive by this time in the game you were civ.
3) Yup. I ask a lot of questions. I recall in the Champs game that it made you pretty sure I was civ. What changed your mind between here and there? How do I feel "less genuine" in this game?

why do you think snowman is very very bad llama?

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm hearing a lot of "This is not typical FZ." not so much "This is not typical civ FZ." can anyone reconcile the two for me?

I wish I could, but I don't really recall her being a baddie in a game we played together. I know I replaced her as a baddie in a game on K-site, but I'm not gonna lie, that game was so close to over, I did the baddie move of saying I was catching up but never really doing it.

S~V~S wrote:This is just like Waiting For Godot, except we're waiting for Epignosis, lol.

I came into today feeling pretty much the same about FZ as I did before. When she is a civ, regardless of the thread output, she is fearless, poking people and speaking her mind. Calling people out for all kinds of things. This game, not so much. When she finally does suspect someone strongly enought to commit to it (kinda) it is someone she suspects for basically the same reasons she herself is suspoect.

BUT the great Secret Eyeball Revelation plus Russti coming out of hiding has me wanting to see how Epi plays this.

She feels a bit over defensive at being looked at too. I've never heard her say that there was too much discussion going on before this game. Here or on her own site. She's usually the one trying to get people to talk more.

linki - I always feel like I'm late responding to everything.

more linki -satisfied in what way TH? Epi's responses? Rusty's? The fact that beer is on the way to me and dinner is easy to make and starting to smell delicious? That it's almost the weekend?

......Ignore the man behind the curtain.....

rusty - can you talk at all about why you haven't posted thus far in the game?

linki - boo - that's a good point. I know I saw tricey's quote of aces the same way aces saw it, but the fact that tricey kept looking other places for discussion besides aces was what swung me to *not* vote tricey. I did read aces's posts as genuine while they were happening as well.

lol - br. cute.

lol - thanks TH. I appreciate the insight into your thinking.


Oh - hey -look - it's rusty! sup rusty? - wotchya thinkin?

yet more linki -k - cool deal boo. Just askin.

TH voted llama pretty quick day 1 with no reason why too.

Wotchyouthinkin' TH?

Boo - that's a good question. Do you find anything odd in the people who answered epi as well?

linki - ok TH you think llama is a bad llama - any reason why?

I feel your pain with the amount of posts Eloh - it's been ok for me today because a) it's night and b) I've had the day off. I do not look forward to my catch up tomorrow night after work though. I'm torn - I like a lively discussion - hate playing catch up.

S~V~S wrote:I think Russti cannot post, not that the forgot to or whatever else. But to make the assumption it's for a bad reason is a huge stretch.

I have seen him in the thread as well.

I'll second the agreement of this. It's what I've been trying to say about Russ all day I'm just not as eloquent as SVS.

And I do see both sides of the inactives argument. Just not sure where to draw the line betwen inactive and low poster. Is bass still playing? DP? DF if he were in this game? Me if I were still working 11ty billion hours? LC? BR?

linki- ok -thanks for clarifying boo.