The Syndicate

thellama73 wrote:I just have a hard time believing that MP would give a baddie a role that would be so easy to detect by not being able to post.

DharmaHelper wrote:See, the thing is I don't think Epignosis is a complete asshole. And for that reason I doubt he is a harmless Youtuber. I think this because we've all been having a very serious discussion about role hinting recently, and if you disagree that Epi's actions thusfar have been designed to hint very heavily at being a harmless Youtuber, we're gonna have words.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:*gives Epi a cookie*

That wasn't me looking to take credit- I just meant that I agree with your assessment.

And I don't eat many sweets.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. I've now had to catch up (again!), but only for 4 pages this time.

The only other thing I'd add in for now is that TH's vote for llama with no explanation whatsoever, even though he's had several opportunities to do so, shoots him right up to the top of my list along with Trice.

Unless something else major occurs, I will probably be voting either for Trice or TH.

Linki: Yeah. I was going to say this Day 1 is pretty awesome so far. I knew we were close to where Doctor Who was at the end of Day 1 right about now. At this rate, this game could easily overtake our Doctor Who game in terms of post count. Glad to see so many people invested in this game too!

thellama73 wrote:I might as well reciprocate while I'm here. I laid out my suspicion of TH earlier, and I maintain it.

*Votes Turnip Head*

S~V~S wrote:

AceofSpaces wrote:

S~V~S wrote:EBWOP, and I know I understand better in small, digestible bits.

Totally fine by me. I find myself skimming long post as well. I was actually really nervous making such a long post because, after all that's happened, I feel strongly that Trice is mafia but I also know people have only so much time that they can dedicate to reading these post.

Well, I plan to reread it now, knowing where it is going helps. I want beas opinion on him, too. They have been bad bts more than once, including on the Residents from the first Avant game; the game where MP had a whole SECRET BADDIE TEAM.

Imagine that

Ricochet wrote:

bea wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Thanks for your input, SVS and bea. I'll keep in mind what you are saying about DP, but Bass' behaviour on D0 just adds to the profile I already have on him from another game. Of course, I am far from wanting to push any lynch on them for this (I never really quite embraced voting odd and/or low D0 posters at any point, in any game so far), but just wanted to name all the voters that stood out in an odd way to me.

bea, I'm in East-Central Europe

Fair enough Ricky - and I did ask for your opinion. So there's that. So like Germany/Netherlandsish or somewhere just south? Cool. When we get to exchange ideas like this at this time - please know - it's at the end of my night. More likely than not - I've had beers.

A little more to East (and the same time more to the South) than that. Sorry for being mysterious about it. :P

I figured (the late night part, not the beers). So far you and SVS are the only players I notice staying up this late, in your case.

zeek wrote:

bea wrote:

zeek wrote:

bea wrote:I'm currently entertaining Chettey and 'Brella.

I like Chet and Ella

How are you not playing this game??? wtf zeeky????

Having a break I am regretting not signing up.

Ricochet wrote:Thanks for your input, SVS and bea. I'll keep in mind what you are saying about DP, but Bass' behaviour on D0 just adds to the profile I already have on him from another game. Of course, I am far from wanting to push any lynch on them for this (I never really quite embraced voting odd and/or low D0 posters at any point, in any game so far), but just wanted to name all the voters that stood out in an odd way to me.

bea, I'm in East-Central Europe

zeek wrote:

bea wrote:I'm currently entertaining Chettey and 'Brella.

I like Chet and Ella

S~V~S wrote:I have been calling Zomberella Zomba. And yeah, Rico Suave! So I do like Chet.

And I totally agree with the Tarzan Theorem re DH & Epi. Alpha male chest pounding and circling and swaggering.

That said, mystery win conditions, potential future BTS based on the role descriptions, and a Kira with a possible death note don't sound like a civvie group, Epi.

Ricochet wrote:sorry, quick snip here

bea wrote:
Not sure what to make of Zomberella or Ricocheet yet. (I will find cutesy nicknames - give me time. We already have a zombies and a rico...)

I did notice in a non-game discussions thread that you use the nickname Rico for a different player (Enrique), but since he's not playing here and most players so far have used the nickname (well, except some I'm making first contact with in this game, like DH, boo, and others who prefer not to nick me, like Epignosis), my friendly advice would be to use it as well. Ricochet is fine, otherwise, too.

Turnip Head wrote:Yes, Epi and DH tend to be quite talkative and combative, and they will continue to be that way until one or both of them is hanged or maimed. It has always been this way, and it will forever be this way, going on and on and on. If you think of it purely as entertainment, it's not any more offensive than Jersey Shore.

Made wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Sockface snatched the Lynch Note from the player currently holding it.

SOCKFACE: Now get to finding Kira! Good luck.


It is now Day 1.

You have 48 hours to find and lynch Kira.

ok, at first I thought this said death note, not lynch note... not sure where that leaves the mobile death note theory, but what does everyone think this is?

triceratopzeuhl wrote:

bea wrote: Also - YAY! for non-switchable votes!

definitely a relief, switchable votes was not an experiment that made for fun mafia imo

linki - llama I am assuming we all get regular votes today, I don't think sockface is quite that evil

thellama73 wrote:Also, somebody laugh at my Grover Cleveland joke. It is hilarious.

boo wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Oh wow. It's Day 0 and we already have discussion ripe. And even an accusation of potential baddieness from Epig directed at Rico! This is going to be so exciting!

I'm in between the L/Light and Normal options. Currently leaning towards Normal because I think it would give us more information than the L/Light option would. Unless we could figure out a way to determine which people L and Light are picking. Anyone have any thoughts on that?

I'll think over my decision for now.

If we went with the L/Light option, We would have more to work with in regards to voting patterns and lynches. Closer votes would yield more information, as Made said. If someone ends up lynched who shouldn't be, that would provide us insight. Likewise, if the lynch proceeds as expected, there is something to be said about that.

I get that we might have more to work with with voting patterns and lynches. But wouldn't it technically take longer to gather said info since only L and Light are the two who know which votes do and don't count? Or am I thinking about this the wrong way?

Initially, only L and Light know who are on their individual lists. But after the lynches, I'm certain it could be deduced who was on one list, no lists, or both lists. Maybe not specifically which players, but it would be possible to say "someone in this group" or something. For example, if Someone in second place is lynched, its likely that that person had boosted voters, or the first place guy had negated voters, or both. It's a bit of homework, but its not impossible.

One more thing before I go: Vanilla lynching affords us one significant disadvantage that i can see, and that is that in the event of lynch fuckery, we will have basically no idea how or why the lynch went tits up. The L/Light mechanic gives us a known quanitity, from which deductions can be made and conclusions drawn.

Except if roles have lynch manipulation included in their secrets, it would be unreasonable to undo all of that with the effects of a D0 poll making those powers worthless. It seems to me you're assuming stuff like the +5 vote would somehow be negated in the L/Light choice, but I don't see why you think that's the case since including lynch manipulation in roles only to allow it to become potentially irrelevant doesn't seem like something MP would do. So the known quantity wouldn't be the case at all, it would just be something else to mess up with understanding lynch results.

I also think you're putting way to much trust in one civvie. If L ends up trusting bad information, going after the wrong people, trusting the wrong people, etc, going with L/Light would let Light run every lynch however they want. The whole advantage civvies have over baddies is numbers, and while that's less true in this game than a typical one, it is still the case assuming the two teams of 7 need each other dead to win. Letting L have the kind of power that option would give them would essentially undo the numerical advantage and instead rely entirely upon their judgement, and especially in the early game, that would likely lead to the death of civvies if there are even small errors in judgement on L's part. Then, unlike a normal game where civvies botching early lynches is normal and can be recovered from, once a few are out of, Light can pretty much run lynches however they like, especially if they can sus out who L is (which, imo, would be easier than normally figuring out a persons role, since they'll have the most accurate idea of both lists) and then spin that to their advantage by not killing L until as many other civvies are dead as possible.

All that to say, I have more trust in the masses than I do letting lynches be decided 50/50 by a baddie and a civvie, with the baddie imo holding the information advantage, especially in the early game.

I think it really needs to come down to people putting themselves in the shoes of the two roles. If I were L and the option won, I wouldn't be pleased with the responsibility of having my judgement become so important to the point of other civvies judgement and choices becoming irrelevant at my whim (not just civvies ofc, but it would be mostly blind luck to get the right people on my list or not). On the other hand, as Light, I would be more than happy to have that kind of early game power, since I can effectively use it to keep myself from getting lynched as long as I can get through D1 and get proper reads on the minds of people, and I really don't care who gets lynched as long as it isn't one of 7 out of 27 roles.