truth - way to keep yourself alive as long as you could though newt.sig wrote:So Say We All
RIP marmot he was dead as soon as the old presidents laws were gone.
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truth - way to keep yourself alive as long as you could though newt.sig wrote:So Say We All
RIP marmot he was dead as soon as the old presidents laws were gone.
why specifally do you see wilgy and glor as mafia? Please forgive me for missing it - you've spent more time insanified than not this game.ObscureAllure wrote:So Say We All!Golden wrote:Hey gang,
Admiral Adama here. Weird couple of days, huh? It's starting to seem like everyone is a cylon except for me, ya bunch of creepy space robots! Well listen here. I'm your Admiral, proudly so, and that means I have to take it upon myself to facilitate peaceful communication between the humans and the space robots. I require that everyone state clearly and publicly what the believe the allegiances to be of the following likely cylons: Epignosis, DrWilgy, and Glorfindel. This is a direct order, and know that I am giving it with the best intentions. No exceptions. Everyone must submit a response before the end of the day or I will be forced to take action with my rightful authority as Admiral. Thank you for your cooperation.
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Golden wrote:The president of the colonies has enacted a new law:
Wills of the Dead Act: Deceased players will have their last will and testament publicly read. Any deceased players may send one sentence to the host each night to be published in the thread the following day, which may be on topic but may not be longer than 25 words. All sentences received will be published together and will not be attributed.
wabbit -I ask you tried and true. Do you see what I was saying or do you still think I was buddying bad?rabbit8 wrote:So yeah, I voted for sig to save my own ass. Anyone who can't understand that and thinks there was some case I made on him, well.....
Look - I know i've had several adult beverages that may make me miss the larger picture - but looking back on your technicolor list - I'm not at all sure what you are trying to say. Even in regards to my votes. And I know why I made each vote I made.G-Man wrote:So say we all.
Alright folks, here's six days worth of technicolor vote breakdowns. I fixed Day 4 per Golden's authoritative list. Still no official list on Day 5 or 6, so I am just assuming that Bea's vote for Glorfindel Day 6 counted.
Teamwork behavior can't stay hidden in the voting forever (it's how we got our groove back in Biblical, true story), so let's dig in and examine our suspects. We have plenty of them. What you want to do is look at when a person votes and who they vote for. Also pay attention to the voting happening around them, both before and after. This is why I have two lists formats. One is just voting order but the other chunks voters together by who they voted for.
Look at everything- clusters of votes for the same person, clusters of votes that go back and forth, gaps between votes for the same player, votes that seem to mark a shift in momentum. Put on your tin foil hats and try to see how your top suspects could be the baddiest baddie that ever was bad. The trick is to not focus too much on just one day of votes. If you think you see something suspicious, take it to the next level and compare that day's votes to the next day. You may find suspected teammate behavior confirmed or called into question by what you see.
I say pick your top two or three suspects, go to town, and share what you think you see in the technicolors. Keep thread content in mind but vote analysis is void of tone interpretation. It's all hard facts. Who voted for whom and when. Share your findings and we can discuss/debate the veracity of what you think you see.
I took the liberty of marking DrWilgy and Glorfindel as Toasters because I think the evidence from the previous two lynches points to both of them being such.
Since I already believe Glorfindel to be a Toaster, I am going to look at the two players who nearly wrecked our chances of confirming Glorfindel's status- DrumBeats and rabbit8.
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I had faith in zeebs when she was alive. What you read as me buddying svs and zeeb was me thinking I knew who one of them was and thinking I was pretty positive I was seeing expected civ play from the other. You can do the math on who was who on your own. You're good wif maffs.rabbit8 wrote:So... I accuse Bea, vote for sig cause a commotion, then bea saves the day. Fuck me, just vote me off now.![]()
I'm totally bad.
Jaysus yes.Epignosis wrote:FORCE 'EM TO CLAIM, FORCE 'EM TO CLAIM THE NAME OF JESUS!
OH PRAISE GOD
FORCE 'EM TO CLAIM!
Stop being silly. Lynch people you want dead. Stop scheming. I have been against scheming this entire time. Cain is dead. Stop worrying. Stop scheming. Stop plotting. Start just bitching slapping bad guys.
Bitch slap in the name of Jesus.
Black Rock wrote:Sorry, I just spent the last 10 mins screaming at the top of my lungs at my selfish 17 year old. I think LC thinks I went insane.Epignosis wrote:Black Rock! I want an update on S~V~S and your accusation of her. What say you?
I do need to get back on that track and expand on SVS. Really a lot of my thoughts are when she first came into the game she seemed to be Anti-Cylon. Like she thought it was the "in" thing. Then when a consensus came in that you were not evil she seemed to jump on the Cylon train. It just seems way to convenient and opportunistic. Which is words I would use to describe Mafia. I also do not trust any other listed Cylons. If the final five are like the final five of the show then I'm not too worried. I really don't know half the shit that's going on. I am with the humans (with the exception of your role), I do not trust Cylons.
I feel like I just did a tangent. My brain is filled with rage. Anyways SVS = opportunistic = no trust.
Although Black Rock =\= trusting Cylons is likely I will vote Dr Wilgy first. I do need to finish my catch up though.
sig wrote:Blame Daisy for my absences I was watching Firefly :PJaggedJimmyJay wrote:Who are your suspects?sig wrote:If we say we don't need all cylons dead to win and our win cons change to need them all dead, I'm assuming he wasn't 100% a civ. I'd say LC was an independent. However, whether if he was or not zebra using LCs flip to try and make herself seem good is pingy to me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Was he not? Has this been a confirmed truth, or is it an assumption drawn by people who are pursuing different agendas to the ones LC seemed interested in?sig wrote:Not really since he wasn't civ.a2thezebra wrote:I was right about LC being confirmed though.
You have three minutes.
I'd say my top three are Wilgy, Zebra, and Polo.
Wilgy for being an outted cylon with uncivvie behavior.
Zebra for her lack of content, proclamations with no evidence what so ever, and lack of game solving.
Polo for his mafiaish behavior, such as wanting to lynch non claimers and him repeatedly asking what players think of a few player. I think that is mafia attempting to start a wagon without directly doing it testing the water so to speak. Plus his actions revolving Wilgy.
Epignosis wrote:The world has gone mad.Polo wrote:Zebra ... not as black and white as she makes it seem.
You are right. I share a desire to get rid of both Cavil and cain. Best guess as to who Cavil might be and why?DrWilgy wrote:I'll never admit it. I'll just end up getting lynched tomorrow. I don't think civs will win if we are chasing our tails.Spacedaisy wrote:So you are a toaster then.
Could you explain why you think this now?DrWilgy wrote:I disagree. You'll see that when I die.Polo wrote:It's much more of tool for Mafia than it is for Civs. It's only helpful to civs if you're one of the Final Five that is civ-aligned.DrWilgy wrote:And so did the other six.Polo wrote:You had plenty of time to declare.
Y'know something that confused me about this whole mass claiming thing. Why? what is the purpose? isn't it a tool for both mafia and civilian? why would we want to negate it?
Linki - Me claiming doesn't buy me a day. If you want to wagon onto me tomorrow to find out, go for it. I'll die today unclaimed though.
I see yours and Dex's point. I will totes admit that I was being stubborn and bullheaded in an attempt to help you realize that those people like matt and polo *have* been claiming that *this* is what we want. We want to vote sig MAKE him claim and either lynch a civ or out a cylon. At least that's how I understand their argument. But also I agree with epi - the talk of the claiming or not is old and keeps forcing us to burn lynches so I'm good with talking about who we think is bad and why.Silverwolf wrote:Thanks bea-Yes, that was what I was looking for.
I believe sig is a wasted lynched because he claimed cylon this day phase and therefore won't be lynched if he gets run up and is a cylon and therefore we run into a possilble Nero/Lorab situation at deadline as the second most vote getter will be lynched.
Next phase, given he's claimed this phase, he will no longer have this amnesty and we can lynch him with no issues like this.
but again - isn't that WHY everyone was pressuring people to claim? So that we could take someone like sig and vote him and make him pressure claim and see if he lives or dies by his "I'm a cylon" claim? Isn't that how we're supposed to stop cavil??? You do see what I'm saying? How is his non lynch a bad option if we REALLY think the non-claimers MUST be bad for not claiming? Doesn't that do EXACTLY what everyone pressuring everyone to claim says it was supposed to do? Make cylons burn their lynch protect? If we catch a cylon while they are burning it how is that bad or a waste?Dex wrote:If we vote to lynch him today and he's a cylon, he doesn't get lynched. If we vote to lynch him on any other day from now on whether he's a cylon or not, it's a lynch.bea wrote:I'm not sure how a sig vote is wasted?
please know that I mean this with the utmost respect - but I'm slightly weirded out that we see this game as eye to eye as we do.a2thezebra wrote:I agree with everything bea has said in her most recent posts.
whyfore?ObscureAllure wrote:Five bucks says Matt and Wigly have BTSC.
Ok - you picked a doozy here so - bear with me.Silverwolf wrote:bea-In going through your ISO, I saw this post. You also made a lot of posts agreeing with Long Con or supporting him in some ways-telling him you were listening, etc.bea wrote:as much as it pains me to say this, you might be on to sonmething here.Long Con wrote:What's clear (to anyone who wants to really look) is that you completely avoided engaging with any of my points or questions, and moved right to your tired old schtick of "he's misrepresenting! he's discrediting!" But don't worry, I doubt anyone will bother looking.Silverwolf wrote:Wow, I butchered the hell out of that quote.
Oh well, I think it's clear what I mean.
So my question is, do you have a civ reading on Long Con and if so, elaborate on it please?
A lot of your comments are kind of offhand comments that make it hard for me to get a read of you. So if you elaborate on one of your reads, this will help me a lot and I imagine others as well.
Epignosis wrote:Enough with this claiming bullshit. I'm going to start voting people who keep it up. Get to talking suspects or get to taking my vote.
See - posts like these make me not want to lynch Glor.Glorfindel wrote:So Say We All!Matt wrote:Updated list of Non-Claimers
a2thezebra
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Glorfindel
OA
Ricotech
Sokoth
Vompatti
How many players do we have in the game? 24, 25? Two-thirds of the town have agreed that claiming is in the town's best interest, so essentially, all of these players are anti-town as of now.
We need to put pressure on them. Do I think they're all "bad" ? No. Do I think Cavil and/or other bad cylons are hiding in this bunch? Absolutely.
I think we should start with OA, who can't claim cuz of "punishments" but will totes claim if we lynch LC despite "punishments".
ObscureAllure
Linki - Oh okay, nvm now she was "just kidding". Someone help me pressure her please.
I'm sorry, my friend but you're posting the wrong list... The list that YOU should be posting (that would be infinitely more helpful to us) is the list of players that HAVE claimed in sequence of when they claimed (and preferably with the times they claimed so we can timeline them). Let me make this crystal clear, I'm in no way accusing you of anything but others (like well, umm Polo for instance) who seem obsessed with the first list you posted are I believe leading us down the garden path. What is happening here is what is referred to as selection bias and it's being perpetrated on a Town team that is largely far to accepting of it. Continually posting that list only focuses attention on those that for a variety of different reasons have not claimed.
As I said earlier, it seems only logical to me that the real Baddies have already jumped ship and claimed leaving them time to hide and help drive lynches on those who haven't/won't claim and so gain an advantage over us. I am highly suspicious of those who insist on driving this misguided agenda.
Wigly calling me good earlier felt like he was saying it so he could be right when everyone lynched me. FWIW.S~V~S wrote:I said I would give him time,which to me means until the end of the day. If nothing Cain related happens,I can then more to the next day and wait. I would love to lynch him, but he makes be feel bad, and BR makes me feel worse, but when I was trying to push for that,no one else seemed to be hearing what I was saying, or if they were, they did not agree. This is a huge part of the problem the civs have on this site in general; everyone wants to flog their own suspects, and no one is willing to listen to anyone else. We have one guy going on about JJJ, and tbh, that is the worst possible lynch, imo. Everybody only cares about their own suspects.Dex wrote:Is anyone else willing to vote LC? Can I convince you, S~V~S? It might be good to have the most votes on him before the night is half over, to ensure he won't jump the fleet early and all the votes will count. Assuming he's Cain. Which I do.Silverwolf wrote:I'd also still be willing to lynch Long Con. Black Rock's support of him holds some weight and he definitely is showing a lot of effort and not knowing about certain things that'd I'd expect him too seems genuine but I have a bad feeling about him I can't shake.
This is why I asked everyone to picl their top three last night, maybe we can come to a consensus.
I think Wilgy is likely to be cylon. I thought IAWY was a cylon, the only person who has history with IAWY thought he was a cylon, and Wilgy is not acting like a civ. He is my primary candidate for a cylon.
That would be different and refreshing.Long Con wrote:My goal is an orderly, regular Lynch.
because the cylon holding that lynch immunity at LYLO *could* mathematically be a final 5 member (and you know as well as I do that 4 out of 5 of them were civ aligned and human in spirit to their core) vs x number of Cavil and his cohorts which - if the town quit fighting each other we would hopefully have trimmed Cavli's numbers on by LYLO. But still we keep hunting witches. And hating everyone who doesn't want to claim.Matt wrote:I think the claimers need to get on the same page and start flushing out these toaster sympathizers.
If not OA, fine. Even though I currently think she's civ, I'd even be down with pressuring Zeebs to say it. Any of 'em!
None of the non-claimers have yet to give a reason why they think Cylons with a lynch immunity at LYLO is a good idea.
again - if there is something specific you'd like me to respond to - I'm happy to do it. Please do consider I work a 60 hour a week job and often only get 1 day off and sometimes that day and the day I crash and burn and sleep like 16 hours aren't always the same day. I run a business and often have to drop every bit of my free time *including silly things like sleep and mafia* for it.Silverwolf wrote:I'd also still be willing to lynch Long Con. Black Rock's support of him holds some weight and he definitely is showing a lot of effort and not knowing about certain things that'd I'd expect him too seems genuine but I have a bad feeling about him I can't shake.
ISOing Glorfindel he has a few good posts and explains himself well. I don't like his voting pattern and behavior around lynches however.
Wilgy seems just too unreadable for me and I didn't like IAWY so I guess that's my biggest complaint about him.
bea has just faded fast, I know she's busy but even her last catch up was basically a bunch of nothing, just kind of floating around here and there.
I still don't understand why sig is a bad vote option if he claimed propper. I thought that's WHY people were trying to get everyone to claim - so that if you suspected the person, you could vote them and if they didn't die - they were cylon.Silverwolf wrote:Off this list, I'm gonna vote for either DrWilgy or Glorfindel-I will re ISO Glorfindel. Wilgy, I'm not trying to force you into any certain style of play but answering my questions will help me read you better. Glorfindel asked about my suspicions and tried to address them. That's a point in his favor and a negative in yours. Again, I want to get the best read I can on you both because off the above list, one of you two are it, since sig claimed for real and likely isn't a good option now for today because he claimed today.Matt wrote:Updated list of Non-Claimers
a2thezebra
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Glorfindel
OA
Ricotech
Sokoth
Vompatti
I'm not going to witch hunt off this list. I'm only gonna pick people on it I'm suspicious of. If the only nonclaimers seem town, then I'll leave them alone.
I haven't - but it doesn't mean that in a semi-closed set up - with lots and lots of secrets that such a thing *can't* occur.Matt wrote:I actually wanted to vote you too, and I think more people would be willing to follow that vote tbh, but I don't trust OA in the slightest.Ricochet wrote:And so the AaronLittleton hunt begins.
I believe it's convenient that you were "insanified", and I think it's weird you're allowed to talk about only one player. Again, has anyone ever seen insanity work like that before?
funny how witch was turned into aaron little.Ricochet wrote:And so the AaronLittleton hunt begins.
I'd agree with this too. Post more JJJ.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Metalmarsh89's probably made more posts than I have.
Why do you think this? And which roles do you think this applies to?Polo wrote:sig wrote:That is one of the reasons started by Scotty/Polo what are the others since I can't recall any real reasons besides the one i states and my push on Epi and other cylons. People just keep repeating I'm bad. And now you're saying I'm fusing myself to Glorf, which isn't true since it looks like it's coming down to him and me atm.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:sig, I'm going to need you to acknowledge the reasons for that suspicion in a way that is not generalized and misrepresentative. Multiple people have been quite clear about why you're still suspicious, and what you just described is not an accurate depiction.sig wrote:So I get all this shit for not claiming, then when I do it is a scummy opportunistic move...............
Again someone look through Zebra's posts she has posted almost no content, Polo keeps asking people who they'd like to lynch and why not so and so that is a basic scum move. I use that all the time as mafia.
Polo I can't answer that either way it would be infodumping.
linki: Wait what polo? I'm rustled from your general behavior plus when did you say you wanted to vote for her? You've been pushing me and Glorfindel. It has nothing to do with Zebra who you're now saying you want lynched yet voted for someone else super early?Over there.Polo wrote:I'm going with my one of my gut reads. And as gullible as I may be, it's someone who hasn't claimed Cylon yet. Surprising?
Vote Glorfindel
Did not vote nutella on day 2;
Has yet to claim Cylon.
In an ideal scenario i'd be voting Zebra.
I'm gone for the rest of the day.
I'll be pushing for anyone who hasn't claimed yet unless they make a very good case on someone else. If the Cylon Amnesty Act is not overturned by the President, the people can make it ineffective. But I do think that there may be a couple of people who can not ever say "I am a Cylon" for role reasons.
I would agree to that.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Zebra's probably posted more content than I have.
So if you are voting this early, why didn't you vote your ideal scenario?Polo wrote:I'm going with my one of my gut reads. And as gullible as I may be, it's someone who hasn't claimed Cylon yet. Surprising?
Vote Glorfindel
Did not vote nutella on day 2;
Has yet to claim Cylon.
In an ideal scenario i'd be voting Zebra.
I'm gone for the rest of the day.
Or accept that when she says that she is saying she's sure they are town or she's trying to mess with you and your responses feed into it.ObscureAllure wrote:a2thezebra wrote:Long Con, JaggedJimmyJay, and to an extent Ricochet, are all confirmed town along with at least a dozen other players.
Stop saying confirmed town. Confirmed town either means the thread saw their role OR you're info dumping. But you're not punished so that means you have no actual info to confirm them, so still stop saying it.
ObscureAllure wrote:a2thezebra wrote:So Say We All!
Vote sig
Wasted vote. He claimed earlier and even though golden didn't count it, as soon as dig gets back he's going to claim again and be immune.
ObscureAllure wrote:Epignosis wrote:Reasonable? If somebody changed my status like Cain did to the humans, I'd straight up want revenge, victory be damned.Long Con wrote:It's a pretty reasonable conclusion based on Cain's law. Why should any human want Cain dead? I'll eat S~V~S' hat if the goal of almost every human doesn't involve killing at least the 7 Cylons that are evil on the show. Killing Cylons is cool. Present company excepted, of course.Epignosis wrote:How do you know that?Long Con wrote:The only players with a reason to want Cain dead are Cylons.
THIS. THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS. WHOLE
LOT OF THIS.
Polo wrote:I've said it about 5 times already, you guys should definitely look into Bea, DrWilgy, Glorfindel and Sig!
They have NOT claimed Cylon, they have NOT voted for Nutella on D2 lynch poll, they have voted for Nerolunar on D3!
I'm never going to claim more than I already have. ; )a2thezebra wrote:That wasn't directed at you, that was directed at everyone who doesn't get it yet. You saw my other recent posts right? I don't think you should claim.bea wrote:What more can I say? I've said before that I can see a set up where out cylons start neutral and are recruited to Cavil cause. It would mimic the infighting the cylons had lore based and still ballance the game.a2thezebra wrote:What you say in-thread can change everything.
In a perfect world we find Cavil before he has a chance to damage any cylons but that cause is prolly already lost.
In the meantime I'm hoping that when we do lynch a cylon we are told if he/she is Cavil or not. But given how la flipped, I don't think we will be told.