The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote:I really am sorry. And i know he did not vouch for you, that's kinda my point. This had to happen at some point.

i just went back and read the exchange that led me to believe what i believed, and I am beginning to think i had the wool pulled over my eyes.

Linki~ yeah, right? Now is your chance, Elo.

If you can point me to where you think I implied I gave you the shield happened, I'll be happy to address it. I think the really important part to remember is that you *did* get the shield when you needed it even if it didn't directly come from me.

Elohcin wrote:
bea wrote:why boom over elo goosey?
Why Elo bea? Even if Epi DID vouch me (which he didn't). Maybe it was to make me look bad when he was found out to be PP.

linki with timmer.....I am a quiet player. it is the only way to last even this long from my experience. I do my civ duty and vote for those I suspect.

a) I already said I was worried about boom too and he voted you which gives me pause.
b) I have already said I'm fairly positive I've only to my knowlege played 1 game with you - we were opposite team baddies in that game and I've hosted you and epi as baddie teammates so I've admitted that I could have a clouded view of you.
c) My mind isn't made up and I'm feeling the pressure of having to make up my mind.
d) He did not defend or vouch for you in the Grimm game either. Granted that was a sock game so the issue never came up.

why boom over elo goosey?

S~V~S wrote:I did not say that either.

You are kinda confusing me.

I'm sorry - I don't mean to be confusing.

You were dead when I first got the shield. I passed it on once and I've not seen it again. If it was still in play when it saved you then either a) it's only passed through civ hands or b) a baddie gave the shield back to the civs.

linki - timmer - I understand what you're saying. But try to understand what I'm saying too. The simplest answer is the one I'm hinting at.

S~V~S wrote:You are not wrong. Not sure how a third party fits in there, but I don't want you to explain either.

And I am not arguing she is bad. I just want to understand your thought process.

Ok - since we both have good feels about her - I'll let it drop. I'm sure it'll make more sense at the end of the game.

Goosey did also imply pretty heavily that she had lots to do with my rez and that it may have been a result of the contest prizes. Again I ask, why would she have rezed me if she wasn't civ? This is one of the things I mean by "her actions in the game aren't consistent with being a baddie."

I guess she could be pulling the wool over my eyes, but it's really, really hard for me to buy that she's bad.

Flyin' High wrote:DF said something earlier that I felt potentially hinted to his role which has given me pause for suspecting him at the moment. Though he could be pulling the wool over my eyes.

I am torn between voting for Mongoose who is getting defense from a few people but has some decent evidence supporting her as a baddie and Elohcin who has floated entirely under the radar and didn't even really defend herself earlier.

I also am still really uncertain about Boomslang and Spacedaisy. There are some things I found in reading back through their posts that made me feel a little bit better, but not enough to take them off my list entirely. Still too many question-marks.

And my gut still tells me Hedgeowl is good, but I am not at all confident about that.

*Linki* Lots of it, bea, that's what has given me pause about DF...

It would read consistent with the feels I've had about him.

SVS - I'll just be blunt - I thought you were referring to the Sheild when you were talking about the bea related night actions. I admit, I could have been wrong there, but that's how I read your comments. I apparently was pretty wrong about what you were talking about. (there's a shock!)

sorry for the triple post and the delay in responses -

I'mma makin' s'getti sauce tonight! Yum! Yum! Yum! For mah tum-tum-tum!!

linki - Nev - I'm less sure about hedgey than my feels for goosey.

DFaraday wrote:
Flyin' High wrote:I was thinking about juliets and Creeper killing her. Could juliets have been Creeper and last night she exploded hoping to take down 4 people with her? The 2 players above her and 2 players below her alphabetically are me, Hedgeowl, Lizzy, and Mongoose. Lizzy is a civvie and I'm a civvie, not 100% certain on Hedge or Mongoose at this point. But if there was no chance of taking out a teammate by doing it, that would have been an excellent way to remove 4 players.

Occam's Razor tells me that theory is not likely to be true. But it popped into my head and I wanted to see what everyone else thought.

Also, I was reading back through some of MP's night posts and the scene in this one stood out to me. The baddies are gathered around playing poker. Catherine Martell, Moriarty, Creeper, and Dr. Fetus are mentioned, as well as Sander Cohen. Is that a hint that as of Night 9, those roles were all still alive? It true, then Rumpelstiltskin is dead and it confirms our belief that Big Daddy and Pirahna Plant are dead.

Also, there was this:
MovingPictures07 wrote:The players then walked over to the bus, ready to head to Illinois. Then, familiarly, it started raining papers, which read:

"I feel pretty confident that DF is a civvie. Also Bea and DH are pretty trustworthy, imo. Not so sure about BWT..."

The papers were signed by Jack Torrence. "Wait... wasn't Jack Vompatti??? And wasn't he dead???" inquired juliets. The champions pondered.
Was this the work of the sinister exaggerator, or something else?
There is at least one civvie role that could have something to do with that.

BWT, I pointed out FH's quietness because she has a reputation for being a talkative civ with long, detailed posts (like the one I just quoted, actually. That I wasn't seeing much of that pinged me. My play style, on the other hand, is exactly what you've been seeing this whole game.

There -

Unless I'm miss-reading your "bea related night reasons" for trusting me, I think in a 6 degrees of separation thing goosey is also involved. Am I making sense there? I can come out and be blunt about it if I need to.

As for DF - he was looking at me back when I was making myself a pretty good lynch candidate. He very quietly stopped right about the time BDH started standing up for me pretty hard. He also pointed out that there could be civ reasons for the weird moriarty message on the NP FH was analyzing earlier - give me a second and I'll find it again.

I'm leaning toward boom, elo or SD.

I don't think DF is bad. I don't think goosey is bad.

DF - I agree with you about being able to determine much about elo from epi's actions. Mostly. I can still see the scenario where they are both bad.

I don't feel comfortable with a goosey vote. She's pretty consistently defended me and been very vocal about it when I've not made it particularly easy for most to believe that I am a civ. This does not make me wary of you DF - I do still have good feels about you too, I just don't understand why she would defend me so hard and hint that she knows more about my rez than I do if she was bad. It would have been far easier for her to let me get lynched. Also, I think she may have been involved in what SVS has referred to as "night things bea related." I could be misreading what svs is hinting at, but I don't think so.

I'm going to do some running around with the hubby - YAY WE GET TO GO GET HIS CAR OUT OF THE SHOP! I'll be following along on my phone so forgive me if I start with the short, not spelled in anyway or probably horrifically full of auto-correct type posts.

Fair enough, I've been thinking about Elo for a while now, but tbh, boom's vote for her has me concerned.

goosey - any idea who you will be voting for today?

I will be honestly and genuinely surprised if goosey would flip bad. Her actions this game just don't make sense otherwise.

Hedgeowl wrote:Ok I have only made it through 4 pages of Mongooses 8 so far. What I did notice is that she is worried about the PP a lot and bring it up often. Having played Mario with her this didnt seem strange to me but coupled with her voting history it makes me wonder more.

Mongoose:
Day 1 INH
Nevinera (5), Flyin' High (6), Dom (7), Mongoose (8), Elohcin (9), juliets (10), Bullzeye (12), Kate (16), S~V~S (18), Spacedaisy (22) 37%

DAy 2 INH
Mongoose (2), Kate (4), DharmaHelper (5), Flyin' High (6), Bullzeye (7), thellama73 (8), birdwithteeth11 (9), blindfaeth (12), Spacedaisy (14),
Nevinera (15), Elohcin (16), AceofSpaces (18), juliets (19), reywaS (22), DisgruntledPorcupine (24), bea (25), DFaraday (28), Dom (29) 60%

Piranha Plant kill was #11 on K4J non-player.

Night 2 shield:
thellama73 (6), blindfaeth (10), Mongoose (21), Flyin' High (22), birdwithteeth11 (23), juliets (24), Boomslang (25) 26%

Day 3:
DisgruntledPorcupine:
Mongoose (8) 4%

Night 3:
Almost all of us voted for DP to be eliminated except for Bea and FH.
Zodac instead choose Dom who was Bob.

Day 4:
DisgruntledPorcupine
Epignosis (2), Mongoose (5), Russtifinko (7), Bullzeye (8), DharmaHelper (9), AceofSpaces (10), DisgruntledPorcupine (11), juliets (12), Elohcin
(14), Boomslang (15), Vompatti (22) 42%

PP killed #17 which was FH.

Night 4:
Voted SVS and Lizzy too.
Kate:
Mongoose (3), bea (8), Epignosis (15), thellama73 (17), Spacedaisy (20), Devin the Omniscient (31), birdwithteeth11 (34), juliets (43), Vompatti (46), Bullzeye (49), AceofSpaces (57) 19%

Day 5:
thellama73:
DharmaHelper (8), Nevinera (10), Devin the Omniscient (11), Flyin' High (12), Mongoose (13), juliets (16), Elohcin (19), Bullzeye (21), Epignosis(22), DFaraday (24) 37%

Night 5:
AceofSpaces (23 posts, missed no votes):
Lizzy (7), Devin the Omniscient (8), Nevinera (16), juliets (17), Mongoose (18), bea (19), birdwithteeth11 (21), Flyin' High (22), Russtifinko (23) 39%

Day 6:
BigDamnHero:
BigDamnHero (2), Mongoose (10) 8%

PP picked #9 and K4J absorbed it again.

Day 7:
Vompatti:
DharmaHelper (7), DFaraday (10), Hedgeowl (15), Mongoose (16), juliets (20), bea (23), Spacedaisy (24) 29%

Day 8:
thellama73:
Nevinera (5), blindfaeth (7), DharmaHelper (8), Mongoose (10), juliets (11), birdwithteeth11 (12), Flyin' High (13), bea (14), S~V~S (15), Devin the Omniscient (16), timmer (17), Boomslang (18), Elohcin (19), Spacedaisy (20) 70%

Day 9:
juliets:
Mongoose (8) 8%

Of the votes, Mongoose voted with Kate ttwice when Kate was still living, voted to rezz Kate, and voted with Epi several times. What I find interesting is about the PP plant days is she votes early on days where its 11 and 17, but when its #9 she votes #10 right after it was safe. It just indicates to me that she seem to be voting with knowledge.

The one hitch I had examining her record is it wouldnt make sense for her to vote juliets and then her tean NK juliets that same night, so that gives me pause.

Also, I have been quiet for chunks of this game, because I've had less time to post than in the past and was sick. However, I have posted more than Bwt (who called me quiet) and Lizzy. The people who have posted more than me alive ar Mongoose, bea, SVs, and Nev.

This is an interesting point. I would, however, like to to hear from goosey before I decide what to make of it. I have had consistently good feels about her through out the game. I suppose she could be pulling the wool over my eyes, but I don't understand many of the decisions she's made this game if she isn't civ.

Lizzy wrote: Boomslang
DF
Elo
Hedgie
Goosey
SD

I think that's a pretty decent list actually. I notice FH isn't on it though? Do you have good feels about her or just forgot about her?

Of those 6, I have better feels about DF and Goosey than I do the others. I have like NO read on the rest of them and that gives me the hebbie jebbies.

I tried to look at Elo's posts today and I couldn't find much anything of substance to even really comment on or try to get a feel for where she stands this game.

Given that we think Epi was likely the PP, does that change how we look at his early vouch for her on the shield vote? The only games that stick out for me as far as Elo goes, was Grimm and Homstar Runner and she was bad in both of them. I am afraid it's tainting my ability to try to gain something from a lot of not content heavy posts.

I wouldn't look too hard for my hints. Really - they were subtle and I feel like pointing them out would be too much like outing myself.

This week is a good week for me. I made dinner last night and then I get to make sauce wed and then my hubby is taking me to our fav Italian resteraunt Sunday for our belated valentine's day date. Woot! I iz one happy bea.

Daisy - I'd like to be more clear to both you and timmer, but since it's skirting around outing, I'm not sure how to do it.

I can say that my abilities seem to have been messed with in this game more than any other game I've ever played in my entire time of playing games. So much so to the point that I've got lots of huge fuzzy spots.

For anyone else looking for hints, look around any time something wonky's happened in regards to me. Goodness knows there's plenty of places to look. My more than one unfortunate freekouts, my insanity, my suicide....

I know you really want to be right all along about me, but you were wrong when you thought I was bad.

Spacedaisy wrote:I am not doubting her because of BWT,I am doubting her because what I thought her role was and made me feel comfortable with her is no longer valid. Bea, do you know why you rezzed?

I'm pretty sure I know how I commited suicide - as to my rez - I'm a lot more fuzzy about that.

linki with the lynch post. I'm sorry Teefies. I was genuinely wrong about you.

And just as I was genuinely wrong about you. You are genuinely wrong about me.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alex, we're here for you, man! And I can't speak for everyone, but I'm sure everyone else has really enjoyed this game!

bea, I don't think you're misguided. I think you're genuinely bad because I feel like you've been very opportunistic in the way you've been going after me. And you voting for me this time seals the deal for me. It would take some REALLY strong evidence to convince me you're a civ at this point.

And like I said, I would be willing to further examine DH too. I think Lizzy might be on to something there.

I would instruct you to think long and hard about the fact that I wasn't NKed. I committed suicide. That's the way it was written in the night post. I've left a few hints to the role I have, but unless the player of that role the first time, or the creator of the role cottoned onto them, I doubt that anyone else would catch them. I tried to be pretty subtle about it.

Teefies, I've explained more than once on more than once cycle what made me sketchy about you. I didn't really see anything from you that addressed me. Not a "I get why you feel this way, but your incorrect." or anything but "gee wiz guys I'm super busy and barely keeping up." - Which you have to admit, bought you a fair bit of time in the wrasslin' game. I'm sorry if I am indeed wrong about you. But that just makes me wrong about you. Not bad.

SVS - I totally get what you mean and you're right. Sometimes I have a hard time turning it down a notch. I get these moments when I think I'm super brilliant and I'm just super not brilliant, course, and flying off the handle at everything.

DH - Please don't not express yourself for fear of retaliation from me. I'm all bark no bite as they say and I don't even bark all that often. I would not be happy if we were loosing civ insights from you because I couldn't keep my damn trap shut.

SVS part 2 I do agree with you re: things being difficult to interpret based on roles alone. I'm having a dickens of a time over here. It's got me jumping at shadows and second guessing everything.

Also - I love magenta!

Don't know that I could pull off those stockings or shoes though.

The hat - I could prolly rock the hat pretty hard.

The hubby is getting his anxious "We've got stuff to do today." look.

So, my time has run out. I'm sticking with BWT. He hid a lot during the last game under the "busy - can barely keep up with the thread" line. While, I don't doubt he is busy, I just don't think that I'm seeing civ here. He's feeling very much like he did in wassling mafia.

votes teefies.

yea. I know. The times got changed during the last phase and the extended night because of the concert and stuff. I'll bet lots of people think they have several more hours.

I have literally no read on SD or Elo. That's got my feather's a bit prickly but I know they are both insano busy.

I feel like I'm jumping at shadows everywhere.

timmer - is there someone w/o votes that you think would be a better option?

linki - that's a fair point. I was looking at the poll results over there earlier to see where they were leaning now that more of them were in the room, IDK if the players that get pulled to the red room will get the role reveal that a lynched player in this game would though and that reveal might be helpful.

More linki - I agree with a lot of that. *most* of my feelings about people at this point are more vibes than they are fact.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:I wouldn't waste too much more energy on me.

But I would like to take this time to apologize to everyone. I was simply trying to be ballzy in defense of my favorite ballzy player. I didn't feel like I had much to lose, however, I took it WAY too far over the line. And for that I am very sorry. I never meant anything personal, nor did I mean to be disrespectful to MP. I hope I haven't ruined this amazing game for anyone else. When he has time today, I hope that MP will accept my "resignation" from this game.

If you are a civ, please don't leave the game. We need all the help we can get.

I am pretty sure that elo wasn't his partner. of that I can be at least pretty positive of.

Mongoose wrote:
DFaraday wrote:What the heck, BDH?????
right?!? yikes.

I can't even begin to know why he did what he did. All I know is he likes playing the games fast and loose. And maybe he went out all bad assery or some completely dumb thing.

I for the life of me can't figure out yet why he let Thomas die so easily.

I'm sorry sweetie - but even I don't understand the logic here

I look forward to the list tbh.

DharmaHelper wrote:EBWOP and your logic assumes BDH cared about the results of his actions, which history will beg to differ with you ;P

that's a completely fair point. But also I'm going on record as saying, as wonky as his play style was, he was a civ with bts. He would NOT give up his partner easily.

I rather think that his partner is completely hidden at this point. He might play fast and loose with his role, but he'd never dis a civ partner that way.

Yes. You are missing the obvious point that as a civ with bts, he wouldn't want people to cotton on to his partner. Just like Baddies shouldn't vote for their partners in those easy day 1 polls, nor should civs with bts. Because that would be outing their partner.

And while I'm thinking of it, if you thought elo was BDH's partner - and his CIV bts - why would you bring it up and pull it up into the open??

I don't know if he was allowed to change his vote - it still doesn't distract from the fact that if you *truely* think that elo is BDH's civ partner - why, as a civ, you would out her so?

OK - so what you are saying is that since BDH - who at the time, didn't want the secret of him being Diggz let out - voted elo in the poll might make elo his partner?

And - I''m fairly positive that MP didn't allow him to change his cheeky vote - but by all means - ask the host about it.

DharmaHelper wrote:
bea wrote:and now knowing that he was Thomas with the +3 vote, how does that, if at all, change how you think of his votes? Because it felt a little like you were trying to set him up for something. Misguided civ or whatevs. But he was Thomas. And while he had his plus vote he also had a bts partner that wasn't me.
Set him up? Nah, you asked for his vote order so I provided. It does make me feel better about Eloh tho.

I did ask for it - and thank you for providing it as near as I can tell. I'm pretty positive you missed all the times he didn't vote, and I'm pretty sure those were important as well. For *many* reasons.

why does it make you feel better about elo?

and now knowing that he was Thomas with the +3 vote, how does that, if at all, change how you think of his votes? Because it felt a little like you were trying to set him up for something. Misguided civ or whatevs. But he was Thomas. And while he had his plus vote he also had a bts partner that wasn't me.

Mongoose wrote:My OP scaffolding directed elsewhere. @ BDH, not @ Bea, decompound.

I think I get it - I'm willing to wait till you are not insanified - please remember this is a thing that needs addressed

Not good - not bad - I just want it clarified.

DharmaHelper wrote:Pff fucks sake I just checked to make sure about Thomas and he's the +3 vote guy. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

oh ho ho - see why I was so worried about his vote record?

Also- why did you have to check that? that's a pretty important civ role that I'd think would be remediable....just sayin'....

DharmaHelper wrote:Oops should have labeled that. Yeah that's BDH's vote record though I'm tired so I may have made a mistake or two.

fair enough - I've not looked back tbh.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
bea wrote:

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?
Modkilled players do not get to participate in The Red Room; they are gone from the game completely.

so - if modkilled players do not get to participate in the Red Room and are gone from the game "COMPLETELY" - how is it that the exaggerator has still been around?

DharmaHelper wrote:Elo (Shield Poll)
DP (Night Lynch)
BWT D4
Gleam D5
Gleam N5
BDH D6
BWT D7
Nev D8

that's bdh's vote record? is that what you are saying?

Mongoose wrote:
bea wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
bea wrote:

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?
Modkilled players do not get to participate in The Red Room; they are gone from the game completely.
good job sweetie. good job.
targeting hoss, really?

I really hope I'm misunderstanding your insanify right now. Because how can you not see why I would be pissed that he threw away a great role for the civ cause?

the only good that can come from this is there were a couple of times bdh was actually voting - who did he vote for?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
bea wrote:

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?
Modkilled players do not get to participate in The Red Room; they are gone from the game completely.

good job sweetie.

good job.

MovingPictures07 wrote:[center]Day 10: The Exit of Big Damn Wuss[/center][/b]
"You!" the voice pointed at BigDamnHero.

BigDamnHero stood, defiant. "Yes, YOU!" exclaimed the voice. "Champions don't defy the host!!! Are you willing to accept the price???"

BigDamnHero was. "You bet! Fuck you!!"

The host sighed. "I hate to do this, but...."

A giant sock appeared out of nowhere, completely covering BigDamnHero. After a few minutes, he couldn't stand it any longer, and stopped breathing, suffocated to death by the enclosed space and terrible smell.

BigDamnHero has been modkilled. He was Thomas.

It is still Day 10.

oh sweet sockface - does that mean that BDH is now in the Red Room?

bea wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
juliets wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:In terms of suspects/cases, I think evidence has been presented that could reasonably point to JC being either a Manipulator or a Video Game mafia person.
And I have answered all of your allegations - I am not a manipulator or a VG mafia.
Sure you've answered them, but I don't think you've answered them satisfactorily.

Does anyone else have any other suspects?

@Bea Sure I can pull together some stuff. If you want specifics I pretty solidly put forth voting evidence that suggested JC might be with Kate's team and Nev put out a good bit of evidence that might point to JC using shifty language to get a vote boost from Rumpelstiltskin. But off the top of my head these things come to mind

1. Voted for Kate in the rezz poll
2. Nev's analysis of the Rumpelstiltskin power includes JC
3. When Epignosis (Whom I suspect was PP) was a contender for the lynch, JC voted the other candidates, helping Epig avoid being lynched.

Here are some links to take a look at my thoughts on JC

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 948#p55948
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 804#p54804
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 791#p54791
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 789#p54789
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 753#p54753

And nev's rumpelstiltskin possibility
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 749#p54743

Hope that helps.
I'd really like to know what svs thinks about it.

also - I did read all the links - I have thoughts - but I'd like svs to weigh in first.

DharmaHelper wrote:BigDamnBalls.

don't encourage him.

really sweetie? really?

I guess if this is your last game you went out how you wanted to go out. Being an *in your face* player the whole way.

Still, I'm VERY sad to loose you and your role.

DharmaHelper wrote:
juliets wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:In terms of suspects/cases, I think evidence has been presented that could reasonably point to JC being either a Manipulator or a Video Game mafia person.
And I have answered all of your allegations - I am not a manipulator or a VG mafia.
Sure you've answered them, but I don't think you've answered them satisfactorily.

Does anyone else have any other suspects?

@Bea Sure I can pull together some stuff. If you want specifics I pretty solidly put forth voting evidence that suggested JC might be with Kate's team and Nev put out a good bit of evidence that might point to JC using shifty language to get a vote boost from Rumpelstiltskin. But off the top of my head these things come to mind

1. Voted for Kate in the rezz poll
2. Nev's analysis of the Rumpelstiltskin power includes JC
3. When Epignosis (Whom I suspect was PP) was a contender for the lynch, JC voted the other candidates, helping Epig avoid being lynched.

Here are some links to take a look at my thoughts on JC

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 948#p55948
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 804#p54804
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 791#p54791
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 789#p54789
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 753#p54753

And nev's rumpelstiltskin possibility
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 749#p54743

Hope that helps.

I'd really like to know what svs thinks about it.

DharmaHelper wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 848#p49848 - This post here pings me a bit. Goose comes to JC's rescue and JC uses that to help explain her inquiry into FH's analysis. Goose btw, is an awesome person and player and every time I've interacted with her it has been a pleasant experience. She has a lovely manner about her and I admire her skill as a player.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 124#p51124 - This post here actually makes me think JC might not be on AP's team. Prior to him being Modkilled she expresses a desire to vote for him. This of course could be a ploy, and it could be JC being irritated at her teammate and trying to nudge him back in line, but IDK. Something to consider, guys.

And then this confuses me:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 418#p51418 - here JC advocates steering away from focusing on Media. Up to this point, (maybe I'm wrong) but the majority of her focus was on Media/Zodac related discussion and not on actual baddie finding.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 470#p51470 - Here she agrees with Nevin's Notion to lynch INH again. Complete 180.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 486#p51486 - her vote for INH
Now the only reason I can think of JC saying she'd like to steer off Indie/Media talk and then flipping 180 would be to make it look like she was actual-mafia hunting then sneak up in there with the easy target vote. Dunno. Again, something to consider guys.

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 789#p51789 - See's beas game as civvie
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 806#p51806 - votes to give bea the shield
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 934#p52934 JC's response to Kate's death. Seems to think she was a civ. Hmmm.
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 944#p52944 JC investigates Kates killing. Vested interest?
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 049#p53049 - brings up the bwt susp. but says its not enough to vote on (note bwt also voted to rezz Kate.) Bwt by the way is a pretty neat dude. Very cool to talk to and so on. He's got a great style of play that I always enjoy. My experience of playing with him tells me he's a dangerous baddie and an invaluable civvie.

Thats all I've got for now, as it is mondo late and I am mondo tired. From this analysis however I am not really comfortable with JC's civvieness. She has certainly moved up in my suspicion list, and I am interested in others thoughts about here. The most interesting thing I can see is that she seems to be very focused/understanding of some of the indie roles and then very distracted/confused regarding the mafia roles.

If JC is bad, and she has a teemate, I really truely hope it's not goosey.

DharmaHelper wrote:Anybody else have any thoughts or suspects? SD/Eloh in particular pop to my mind when I think of blendy players that may be baddies hiding from the crossfire.

sd voted me for weak reasons after the sheild poll, and elo missed the whole "husband/wife" thing that went down during the other lynch I had.

I've not seen anything from either of them that make me have particularly warm comfy feelings about.

I'm not saying I think they are bad, I'm saying I have like ZERO read on either of them, and my lack of read on them makes me nervous this late in the game.

linki - I agree with your fix tbh DH. SD the person is so amazingly awesome I just CAN'T EVEN.

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