The Syndicate

Great game llama -

I'm sorry to both you and the players that I couldn't participate more.

Scotty and Zeebs. Ve got ze squiel at least.

regarding the pm - I thought it would be fun to make it all Natashaish. So I asked llama if I could write the pm - And I did for long con's, was too rushed for wilgy - and then picked it back up again when I realized llama wasn't just going to cut and paste the name of the targets into the pm I wrote for llama.

At that time - it was all svs vs sorsha and lc vs wilgy -

So, on the advice of fearless leader, I natashaed myself. I sent a pm in and everything. (Ok - it was a pretty vague pm, but I did send in a pm. lol.)

The plan was to throw crededece to lc's claim that the pm was all weird written to cast doubt on wilgy and then vote either sorsha or svs because I was natashaed.

It was far easier for me to vote svs btw than to reverse that situation and try to later imply that svs forced me to vote sorsha. Also - I figured I didn't have much longer before svs would smell my baddie stink. She does read me pretty well you guys. And no - sorsha - for the record, I don't think you would do that to me. (of course, now some day you can. lol) - I adore you both and did feel bad for doing what I did, but a baddie has to be bad.

You are making a huge mistake.

You guys really. I'm not bad. Or sexy. Or russian.

I'm still busy over worked bea. 18 hours yeaterday. 4 hours sleep and a meeting this morning. One of 2 days I get to do this this week.

I wish I could say that I had the day to tell you all how wrong a vote for me is, but I dont. I just dont.

It has to be sprit.

Also, I'm still at work.

I have consistently felt eloh is civ while zeebs is always tough for me to read. Push comes to shove and I'm voting zeebs to save eloh.

I'm really sorry if you are civ zeebs, but I'm not getting the gut cry about you that I am for eloh.

Crap. I'm sorry sorsha.

Wilgy, given the fact that I was reprimanded privately and what the host said publicly, forgive me for not talking more about my force vote. It's there if you go back and look.

I'm going to vote sorsha. I've had better I've read blooper as civ all game.

I did about as good at this trivia as I am at the pub trivia im playing in person.

Stupid work called right when I knew the answer to something.

Zoroasterism?

Mormonisim?

rip svs.

I would like your thoughts on zeebs when you can give them. She's seemed in the ?? mark part of my reads this game.

Sorsha wrote:
Sloonei wrote:But whoa, I see SVS is suddenly in the lead. I'll have to think about how that makes me feel. I might pass out and not wake up until right around the deadline soon so I'm not sure how much I can get done the rest of this phase.
I don't like bloopers vote on there tbh. And bea is implying she was forced. You, me and eloh have at least expressed suspicion on her.

fwiw sorsha -I've not read svs as bad

I fucked up that qoute so bad.

Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:
Long Con wrote:bea, are you claiming a forced vote in the current lynch? I didn't know that was allowed, but if you are, then may I ask if you know which role forced your vote?
Spooky. LC I don't think that's allowed either and we shouldn't probe into that until night or until Llama give the hokey pokey.

Ok, fair enough. I wasn't asking her to reproduce a Host PM, which is the wording of Rule #4. If it was what you are saying, then I would absolutely forego asking such questions if our funkytown host would clarify what we should not talk about.

1. Whether or not our vote is, or was ever, forced
2. Which role, Natasha or Narrator, did the forcing
3. Whether or not there was any info in the PM that is noteworthy

Thus far in the game, it has been fine to let the public know if our vote was forced in a previous lynch. I don't know, but I don't recall, any rule that says we can't let the public know our vote is being forced in the current lynch.

We can't reproduce Host PMs - I take that to mean we can't copy-paste Host PMs, not that we can't discuss the content at all. If that's the case... I just wou

this tbh I thought I was working within fair constructs of the game. I thought everyone else who had been force voted had signaled some way during their vote they had been forced.

I'm trying not to break rules and play within the constructs of the game. IF I've broken rules, I'm very sorry.

DrWilgy wrote:So... I don't think SVS and Scotty interacted behind the scenes meaning the chances of her being bad are much less than others.

Can players who feel LC>Wilgy in our shindig. Would you please care to explain why?

SVS, do you care to comment on my recent post regarding your thoughts on me?

Voting for Sorsha for now.

I think I've been pretty clear about why I stand where I do re: LC vs you. Do you need me to explain it more? I will cross the lines the host has already warned us about if I must.

Or was that for peeps not me?

linki - yes. I was not happy with my svs vote. Hence my pouty.

You and wilgy have already got a host warning - what do you want me to say that I've not - I think - already implied??

a2thezebra wrote:I like how Elohcin is claiming that no matter what she does I will still suspect her (even though she hasn't even come close to defending herself once in the entire game) even though that's the attitude she's gone out of her way to apply to you. I don't buy it.

This is more than fair zeebs.

That said, my gut still sees civ eloh. I don't *think* I'm epi this game defending the baddie while she joyously wins the game and plays with the kiddos, but yea. She, matt, and svs are all people I've had the pleasure of both civ and mafia bts with. I don't think it's baddie eloh cuz gut.

Your thread reasons for suspecting her are valid and I see where you are coming from, but I just need more before I can see her as bad. I don't even know what that more is, tbh. I just haven't seen it yet.

bea wrote:
S~V~S wrote:The forced vote on me doesn't help tbh.

Your opinions on Sloonei, LC and Wilgy?
I've not seen sloonei do anything that makes me suspect him, but this is the very first time I've played with him, so I'm not sure what to expect out of him.

Between LC and Wilgy I feel worse about Wilgy for reasons.

I was not happy about the force vote btw.

tbh - re: sloonei - I kinda felt like MP was vouching for him early on and I thought they might be partners so I never looked too hard into him because there is so much civ bts. I figured surely some civs would keep that under their hats, some civs not so much. MP, I think would be in the not so much category. Matt dying so quickly makes it hard for me to determine if I still think it. When he replaced in, I was actually hoping to see the same sort of defense of Sloonie.

S~V~S wrote:The forced vote on me doesn't help tbh.

Your opinions on Sloonei, LC and Wilgy?

I've not seen sloonei do anything that makes me suspect him, but this is the very first time I've played with him, so I'm not sure what to expect out of him.

Between LC and Wilgy I feel worse about Wilgy for reasons.

I was not happy about the force vote btw.

It's mostly resolved so I'm not nearly as stressed as I was an hour ago. Also - I've had more crown royal. I have a small bar in the apt and Diggz and I are in our jammies and I'm making cocktails! woot!

And that typo is awesomesauce. It makes me miss my old crackberry with the broken return key.

It's all good in the hood. I just had like 3 major phone calls about work half lit. Lol.

I'm sorry for the delay. There was an incident at the store that I had to deal with. (Someone came in and accused one of my drivers of hitting them.) I had to walk my am through the safety and security incident.

S~V~S wrote:I am hoping you come back to tell me why. Becasue I think you know I am not bad.

I don't think you are bad. I voted you anyway. Nuff said? Was hoping you'd pick up on it because I'm pouty about it and also I took a stance re:lc and wilgy.

Oh also poetry.

Also I have better feels about lc than Wilgy for reasons that should be obvious.

Imma vote svs. And imma pout about it.

sprityo wrote:
bea wrote:I'm confused? Isn't yesterday the last lynch?
bea could you explain the question being asked here?

I was confused by the time line being laid out so I asked for clarification. Wilgy said he'd been natasha targeted yesterday and lc said he wanted to hear who had been targeted the last lynch. I thought they were the same thing. I've also been more drunk than sober since roughly 7 pm my time saturday. Yay hubby's birthday!

I'm confused? Isn't yesterday the last lynch?

Long Con wrote:I voted for Wilgy. I don't think Scotty is bad. Natasha tried to seduce me to vote him on Day 3, but I was Scrooched at the same time. I thought that maybe the baddies were trying to protect Scotty by making me vote for him, but then the Scotty lynch happened anyway. If Scotty is Fearless Leader, then Boris and Natasha probably don't really want him dead.

Unless Scotty sent a message to them with instructions to try and get him lynched... for cred I guess? If you believe that, then lynch Scotty. I don't believe that. I don't believe that they can afford to lose numbers like that.

I thought that Epi might be going for the "early baddie teammate vouch" on Eloh, but then he was nightkilled. Again, it gives Elohcin some nice cred, but is it worth it with so few baddies? Probably not.

The PM from Natasha was written in a Russian accent. Like "Greetings, Lonk Con, ve vant you to doink ze vote for Scotty..." kind of stuff. It was creative, unnecessarily so. I thought maybe creative Epi would go that extra mile, but apparently not.

I have no doubt that they will kill me very soon. Probably tonight. Natasha told me not to tell anyone, so I have disobeyed on that front.

What is it about Wilgy that makes you think he is bad?

Ok. So yea. That was quick. Absolutely down for the Scotty lynch.

I wanted to look at spirtyo at some point soon, but it's dinner time.

I need time to think about svs and Sorsha cuz I had good feels about both of them. Rereading each of them is on the to do list too.

Sloonei wrote:Do we see anything in the setup that could explain Scotty's survival besides Nell/Fearless Leader or the Narrator/bad lady who manipulates votes? Because if we are inclined to believe MP's claim, then vote manipulation should be a visible thing to us all and there are no secret votes involved; the poll is an accurate representation of the votes. So he'd have to be one of the two roles that can survive. Lynching him today will either result in a No Lynch if he's Nell, or a baddie lynch if he's FL.

Is there a hole anywhere in this reasoning?

I think that's why lc was asking about how the narrators role works. If it was done with or with out the players knowledge. But other than that, it looks pretty darn solid.

Long Con wrote:Do we have a conclusive idea about whether the Narrator "directs a lynch vote" secretly, behind-the-scenes... or does it the Night before, with a PM to the directed voter?

Has anyone, to their knowledge, had their vote directed by the Narrator?

Just thinking about the last lynch, and whether it's a possibility that a Scotty voter's vote went to another player... and that Wilgy is Nell or FL.

Are you suggesting then that the final vote would have been a tie then? If I remember correctly Scotty was up by 1.

So no lynch?

Scotty wrote:
bea wrote:Just got to work running late. Making an unsure trust vote for Scotty if you guys think it's best.
What makes you trust the thread more than just your reads? This reads pretty weak, IMO. I thought you had some good observations going before you came in.

I was doing the best I could crunched for time. I didn't have solid people I suspected and I trust the peeps that did vote for you. Not that I was able to make the vote in time.

I'm so sorry I'm super lame. I'm done working now till wed. I will likely vote before I go to be tonight cuz I'm not waking up early to mafia.

Anyway.....catching up follows....

Gah!! I thought had more time!

sorry. I will be back after hell friday.

Just got to work running late. Making an unsure trust vote for Scotty if you guys think it's best.

Atm, I feel pretty good about eloh and epi. Definitely won't vote eloh. Blooper, Sorsha and svs feel pretty on the up and up to me.

Everyone else is kinda in the ?? Spot for me. I thought I was starting to see bad mo, but I don't feel comfy voting for Matt till he's had a chance.

Matt wrote:Still catching up, but I'm a little saddened that my only two welcomes also came in the form of suspicions.

HI matt! Sorry I'm late.

Sloonei wrote:What thoughts do we all have on Bea? This is the first time we've played together, I think.

We think bea is super cute and awesome and we love her.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I look forward to your thoughts once you fully catch up, bea. Sadly I am going to bed and most likely won't be here much tomorrow.

bea wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Let me just rant here, not against indi but against "NO U" as a defense in general.

"NO U" is nonsense.

If I went into the thread on d1 from the getgo and built a legitimate case against every other player in the game, and then every time someone suspects me I could just denounce them and not even respond to their points by saying "NO U".

can we remember that next time you use it?
Sure, because I don't just say NO U and move on.

You are right - you don't just NO U and move on because regardless of alignment you will have 11tybillion words to say.

But in the end, she was at least a little right given her flip was she not? How would you defended differently to change your mind if you were in her shoes??

ok - so caught up -and yes I was right.

That was a typo. but damn if it wasn't funny.

also epi - quit telling people I'm smart. I'm the Queen Nub. I DO have a rep to protect.

It's like I all of a sudden start telling peeps what a nice guy you are or something.

sprityo wrote:MP, give me your current points against Wilgy and long con and I'll respond on what I think about those

why just them? what do you think about everyone else?

bea wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo, I appreciate your concern, but I'm not claiming any such role. I have a more intimate (for lack of a better word) mafia history with Sloonei than many others due at this site; I've hosted with him in Talking Heads and played games with him here and on RYM, and especially noted the differences between his civilian and mafia meta lately.

To clarify: to say the least, I'd be shocked if he flipped civilian. I'm pretty much putting my reputation on the line by vouching for him, but not in any attempt to mess with outing rules; rather, only to express how strongly I feel about him being town this game.

I perhaps have gone a bit overboard, but only because he has been receiving a lot of attention and he has almost been lynched.

I'm 99.999999 percent convinced this is a typo. but still.....

ebwop - I forgot bold doesn't work as well in the black forum.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo, I appreciate your concern, but I'm not claiming any such role. I have a more intimate (for lack of a better word) mafia history with Sloonei than many others due at this site; I've hosted with him in Talking Heads and played games with him here and on RYM, and especially noted the differences between his civilian and mafia meta lately.

To clarify: to say the least, I'd be shocked if he flipped civilian. I'm pretty much putting my reputation on the line by vouching for him, but not in any attempt to mess with outing rules; rather, only to express how strongly I feel about him being town this game.

I perhaps have gone a bit overboard, but only because he has been receiving a lot of attention and he has almost been lynched.

I'm 99.999999 percent convinced this is a typo. but still.....

Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:@MP, as I said, you are rattling off names here and there. But I don't see mach backing it up. You can say, "at least I'm putting names out there, you aren't." You'd be mostly correct, however I'm trying to do more thinking and less doing atm since we seem to be heading in the wrong direction each day. I think we've been too tunneled during the day, then we seem to get frantic at days end. Its not helping us win.
I'm not saying that (underlined).

On whom do you want me to elaborate?

I am trying to do that. I've only been active and current in this thread as of this morning (EoD D2). I don't disagree with you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:And Elo, what you probably are picking up is the fact that yes, I've only really had my head in this game since this morning, it's only Night 2 and we haven't had a successful lynch yet, so I'm still trying to figure everything out. I'm trying my best though. I'm not sure what about it feels fabricated because it isn't.
Well, I can say that your posts which claim that you were seduced do seem genuine.

Also, I see you are vouching for sloonei very strongly. If you are civ having BTSC with him, I urge you to read the rule about how role claiming leads to death. I know you might not be telling us exactly who you are, but you are still gently claiming a btsc role. This is what I'm seeing anyway. I could be wrong.

I see this too - though technically this could be ok because boris and natasha could also vouch for each other and with so much civ bts how besides lynch could you prove any of them wrong?

Elohcin wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess I'll have to start reevaluation process. Better give my work attention now though. See you all for d3.
Gets civ lynched.

Peace out homies.
This is EXACTLY how I interpreted MP's post as well.
And what of it? What's the point -- how does it affect your read of me? Otherwise, this comment gives the indication that you're contributing when you're not really providing any game-related opinion.
Everyone else is allowed to say every little thing that crosses their minds, why not me?

You are totes allowed to talk out loud. In fact, I wish you could do more of it.

Socky was just getting cranky cuz it was at him methinks.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey, would you look at that, I went from being pretty much an inactive to having the 2nd most posts in the thread. Take that, zebra.

so suppatown? just asking....

I'm guessing at this point, my post count went up too. What does that mean?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Night 2 rainbow list:

Sloonei

a2thezebra
Epignosis

S~V~S
Elohcin

bea
sprityo
sabie12

nijuukyugou
Sorsha
DrWilgy

Long Con
Scotty

Need to do some investigation going into d3, but I've already spent way too more time goofing off today than I should be.

Also, can my yellow reads please come in here and post more? I can't judge your content because there's not enough of it. Thanks.

I am trying - I know you know my RL.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:Okay. Elohcin was fucking saved. You've got everyone who voted for indiglo out of nowhere for no reason, you've got MP who switched his vote from indiglo to Epi while still advocating that indiglo would be a better lynch than Eloh when keeping his vote on indiglo would have put indiglo at the lead at the time, (waffly, just a little bit waffly that is...just a tiny bit) you've got Scotty's vote for MP with reasons he couldn't seem to decide, and my personal favorite of them all, you've got Long Con going from his Elohcin vote to saying that he won't accept an Elohcin lynch and then switching to Scotty, effectively sealing indiglo's lynch. So the Elohcin lynch doesn't happen in favor of - surprise - a mislynch. A mislynch of a player that wasn't even talked about as suspicious before very near the end of the day and didn't arrive until it was practically too late to defend against the "thin air" (as she accurately put it) that her mislynch was. I especially loved it when MP asked for indiglo to give him content - when she was already trying to catch up and respond to his non-case - less than ten minutes before the day ended. I think indiglo hit the nail on the head right here:

indiglo wrote: I don't have time to respond to it all MP. Well played. I almost didn't make it on here this morning, but I had a few minutes so I came on. You have twisted and misinterpreted every single post of mine you've quoted.

I am now thinking he may be FL - who survives his first death. That's why he said "kill me instead of sloon." Then he opportunistically jumped on me instead, because why waste your first survival this early?
Get your shit together, town. And way to completely annihilate my town read of you MP. This was the last nail in your-chances-of-being-town's coffin:

MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?
Here you're expecting her to catch up, respond to your defense, deliver content, and leave behind a legacy post (I'm guessing a rainbow list) in less than three fucking minutes. Are you shitting me? Scotty answered this better than I could.

Scotty wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:How about you give another suspect other than me, indi? Or do you not have any because you're fabricating your posts? You're about to die. Why don't you leave a legacy post?
Well maybe she had a CFD on her on the last 30 minutes- because why not- and was too busy trying to defend herself.
"Why not" is fucking right. But you could have stopped it Scotty, and you didn't. If you had switched to Eloh then indiglo might have had a chance, but you didn't seem to care, too busy with your MP vote that didn't change anything and you knew that it wouldn't. I would be reading everyone but sprityo as bad right now but even sprityo seemed shady with his Eloh vote. Maybe he thought that her lynch was more likely at the time, so he contributed to her didn't-end-up-happening lynch for some town cred? Maybe. So everyone's bad, basically. Not everyone is anti-town but everyone's playing like it, fucking hell.
This is incredibly patronizing after the fact. It's easy to come in after the fact and criticize.

Yes, I realize perhaps I was being unfair to indiglo, but I will always be the first to recognize it was a CFD, which inevitably means it was last minute and not planned. I was hoping to get at least something out of indiglo before she died other than "you're bad lol", but I didn't.

At least I tried. You were town reading me when I wasn't playing, but now that I'm trying to play you think I'm bad? What incentive does that give me to continue trying?

For me, reading it all hindesite like, it's about the CDF.

I'm not a super fan. I'm an old lady and don't like changable votes in the first place. Again, I ask - how does the CDF help the town? How is manipulating all the doubt most town peeps have in the first place to someone EVERYONE baddies and town alike can agree that they have the *least* read on - good for the town?

How is this not a tool of the mafia? How would this have worked out well for you in your mind as you were doing it?

I'm genuinely asking this question btw. Cuz I feel all sorts of pressure when I am around to vote (especially when I tend to only vote once despite changeable votes) w/o all that CFD crap along with it.

also - don't even talk incentive to keep playing MP - I'm doing my goddamn best even limited and everyone knows I'm limited. Everyone knows you are too. Don't even pull that "Oh woo is me no one believes me now that I'm playing" bullsuit. You will keep trying because you are not dead yet. Don't even insult us all with "why should I bother?" You AND we are above it.

Sloonei wrote:I am all caught up but don't have much time.

I don't like the way that lynch went down and obviously that result is less than ideal, but I don't see MP as bad because of it. That would be a strange as hell move for scum to pull. I also have town reads on Elohcin and SVS. I'd say the same for Zebra, but I'm never doing that again.
I still think Scotty should have been lynched, and nothing he's said at any point has swayed my opinion in any way. The only other time we played together (Bullets Over Broadway) he was a clear town read for me all game long. Granted that was over half a year ago and I have barely played any mafia since.

I'm also struggling to see Epi as good right now, but he's not a strong scum read either. If I had more time I'd ask questions. I'd be surprised if none of the people on that indiglo wagon were bad. Sorsha or Epi would be my first guesses. I don't know how to read niju.

I wish I knew which questions you'd ask epi if you had more time. I feel they might be relivant.

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