The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:58 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:25 pm
Scotty
5
22%

Voters: Ricochet, DrWilgy, Vivax, die_meatbaby, falcon45ca

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:28 pm [VOTE: scotty] aubergine

How is a naked vote so bad it's good?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:56 pm Yawn I wonder if we should just kill DrWilgy for doing absolutely nothing

I feel like you're going out of your way to try to feign disinterest.

motobot wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:41 pm Actually seanzie doesn't come of as mafia to me either but as always there is a possibility

What about me doesn't look like mafia?

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:43 pm Porscha red
Zenon red
Seanzie orange

Tell me about me.

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:37 pm Am I supposed to vote for food, also?

You should read the first few host posts at the stat of the game. There are items we can take every day. Every day that you don't eat food, one vote is added to you (in secret).

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:54 am I want to vote on Martin
I see a wagon on Tutuu and Martin. I will explain it later because I am still at work.
But I can't vote on Martin because there is not a voting option with Martin... everybody else but not Martin. Is he just missing on my voting thread or at yours as well?
And O don't want to vote on Tutuu today, I am still not sure about her but def want Martin out

Martin is missing for everyone.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:31 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:55 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:24 pm die_meatbaby - no comment
porscha - sean GOAT claimed godread
martin - imo town for d1 item choice + i love everything he's doing. all of his solving, tone, everything
zenon - no comment
jjj - imo town for d1 item choice

rico - imo towny via tone, towny attempt at solving despite him mowing down my towncore
sean - i thought his entrance was fine. nothing too grandiose but he's ok with me
creature - i thought his entrance was fine. nothing too grandiose but he's ok with me
rondo - no comment

motobot - i dont see why he's town
lime coke - i dont see why he's town
drwilgy - i dont see why he's town
falcon - i dont see why he's town

i notice that martin and rondo arent on the poll
Where has Rico been towny in solving? I feel like almost all his posts are just restating what happened without actually considering alignments.
attempt

Where has Rico's attempted solving been towny?

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:59 am If it's nightly I simply do not believe it's town aligned

I don't like this.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:39 am i'm so bad at reading brad I think something sounds towny and the convince myself he could just do the same shit as a wolf and then we get to f3 together and lose

Well now I know who I'm bringing to F3 with me. Prepare to not be nightkilled.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:21 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:08 am That Lime Coke post you're claiming has good tone is awkward and wolfy AF. Apparently I misread your post though because for some reason I thought you were saying Rico also had good tone, but you weren't.
Yeah no a big part of the reason I was inquiring about it was the claim that Rico had good tone, while Tutuu had basically nothing going for Lime Coke (whom I thought had actual good tone at times). Rico has dropped off a bit in my evaluation once you pointed out he could be doing IIOA, which could reasonably explain away some of the "pros" I had in mind for Rico's Scotty case.

I don't think Lime's post is wolfy. Its a bit twtbaw I suppose, but really I think its quite upfront and I think wolves don't do that in general. Sometimes as town I too will use the "it is what it is" that lime coke does with

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:15 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:14 pm Yeah, you’re right. This is a pretty shallow list. My vote on you isn’t actually a joke vote
It is.

I can't get my mind into this game that much, which is kinda rough.

I'm doing what I can though.
And honestly, I partially read it as towny because it fits my imagination that he's probably unconfident in his reads to some extent. In our champs game about a month ago or so he had heavily TR'ed two wolves (one of them me) and had heavily SR'ed the last wolf but got convinced off of it by people in the game. Heck I suspect he'll have some difficulty with me because of that game.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:08 am I thought 935 and 937 were post numbers, but those are two Tutuu posts (222) that don't seem relevant to what we were discussing.
935
937

With links this time.

I uhh... may have been accidentally looking at the wrong game when I looked up 935 and 937 last night, sorry. Thanks for the links.

Falcon's placement in 937 was mostly based on my earlier impressions of him from when I ISOd him upon Jay's request when I first got into the game. I thought his "I'm town and similar to Sean so Sean's town" was a little weird IMO, but not so much to negate the earlier feelings I had,

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:04 am I was gonna laugh at you guys for voting scotty off but then I saw he had less votes than vivax and still died so I don't get that

Vivax ate food, Scotty didn't, so I'm guessing it went to rand and Scotty lost the rand.

Or someone has vote manipulation, but that doesn't seem fruitful to explore right now since there is a viable explanation.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:39 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:23 am I went to go vote Martin, but they aren't in the poll. I then realized I didn't vote Rico in the poll, so I am now voting Rico in the poll.
How in the world did I drop so far (link)?

I swear it seems like people are voting (or trying to vote) me for any reason. At first it was vivax and someone I've not played with before. Next its a bunch of people who think, under the circumstances, I'm the best wagon. Then comes in Creature who I've played somewhat a long while back and get told that I'm not being obvious enough and underwhelming. Now its Seanzie who semi-strongly read me back on day 1 but then suddenly sparta kicks me further down the list than he has for Rico.

The only real highlight in that department is the someone had seemingly the impressive foresight of this happening and removed me from the poll for (I presume) a time.

I'm getting a bit frazzled at this game tbh. Not like actually upset at the game but if a few of these people suspecting me are town then that's kinda frustrating in a negative-WIM way. The lows and simplicity of the suspicions also just make it difficult to discern which one are the wolves because I find them all equally baseless.

That Lime Coke post you're claiming has good tone is awkward and wolfy AF. Apparently I misread your post though because for some reason I thought you were saying Rico also had good tone, but you weren't.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:52 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:43 amIf I am thinking of the same thing you are, Falcon and I had a similar start-of-game experience with not knowing the game was going on and having a hard time catching up, and he townread me for it. Personally I think it NAI, but meh.
I don't hold my belief over it anymore since my conversation with Falcon, but I thought you may have seen it suspicious for that discrepancy and that he seemed to explain that discrepancy away by mentioning his own alignment.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:43 ambefore that
935
937

Although the timing (6 minutes) was perhaps too close for you to have taken it into consideration, now that I looked at the timestamps too. Just because you read them before with that doesn't mean you haven't taken anything new into consideration as well. This was what I was referring to when I said "after that".

I thought 935 and 937 were post numbers, but those are two Tutuu posts (222) that don't seem relevant to what we were discussing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:41 am Belzy ISO

Spoiler: show
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:16 am Hi all, just checking.

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:09 pm Tutuu is leading wagon, but also a (top) town read by many - how did this happen?

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:42 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:09 pm Tutuu is leading wagon, but also a (top) town read by many - how did this happen?
Hey Belzy, about how much of the thread have you read so far?
Close to nothing. Moslty I looked at ppl's readlist.

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:15 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:14 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:42 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:09 pm Tutuu is leading wagon, but also a (top) town read by many - how did this happen?
Hey Belzy, about how much of the thread have you read so far?
Close to nothing. Moslty I looked at ppl's readlist.
Okay, thanks for answering. Did you poke around looking for reads lists in particular?
I cannot read 1k posts rn. So colourful read list get my attention.

Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:18 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:16 pm I cannot read 1k posts rn. So colourful read list get my attention.
Understandable! I'll let you absorb the game at your own pace.
Thank you. I need to do a d1 raincheck. During n1 I can catch up.

There isn't much to say here, so I won't dwell. Belzy hasn't begun to play yet, essentially. They'll remain in any POE so long as that persists, but they already indicated that they will get involved. So cool beans. I gave them one basic prompt to respond to, and their responses were exactly fine. Belzy is the definition of "rand" -- I have little overt suspicion, but they're POE.

I'd like to hear what you have to say re:my post about Rico.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:19 am
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:03 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:50 pm Wait, I've been ghost voted?

By fuckin Martin & tutuu?

@MartinGG99 @tutuu

What's up?
IDK tutuu's specific reasons but I thought you were having trouble getting into the game while not wanting to say it

Your reason for TRing Seanzie in particular kinda felt LAMIST ("look at me I am so town") because a major part of that is contingent on the belief that you, yourself, is town. Post link here. I can understand a low-level or throw-away read, as is generally given by some towns on d1 or when they're slanking, but I generally don't see it in a form where its connected to one's own alignment.

Seanzie after that read you positively though, which is interesting. I'm currently waiting on others to join the thread and see what they say, and whether the weigh in on you. Among other things.
You don't see how one town player had the near identical experience re: entering the game, lack of ping, finding out late your alignment in the same manner, etc, as another player...and thus giving a TR on said player...you find that suspect?

OK, I guess I can see some sus...but to what end? Like, am.I trying to pocket Sean? Is Sean someone with enough thread presence that it would be worth trying to pocket?

Given Sean & I's play history, and how he treats my slot I'm general, I can assure you it would be a useless gesture. You can ask him if you like.

I still don't see why that equates to you SR my slot, at least enough for a vote...have you even mentioned me prior to this recent interaction? (Which I engaged btw)

Why the naked vote?

I don't like this from Falcon, because while sure I wasn't the most active yesterday, I am definitely a player that can be loud and influential and able to create wagons on who I choose. I know people throw around Alison and Mac as those who can create big wagons, but I've caught numerous people, hardpushing the thread to create wagons out of nowhere, both socially and through mech.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 12:03 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 11:50 pm Wait, I've been ghost voted?

By fuckin Martin & tutuu?

@MartinGG99 @tutuu

What's up?
IDK tutuu's specific reasons but I thought you were having trouble getting into the game while not wanting to say it

Your reason for TRing Seanzie in particular kinda felt LAMIST ("look at me I am so town") because a major part of that is contingent on the belief that you, yourself, is town. Post link here. I can understand a low-level or throw-away read, as is generally given by some towns on d1 or when they're slanking, but I generally don't see it in a form where its connected to one's own alignment.

Seanzie after that read you positively though, which is interesting. I'm currently waiting on others to join the thread and see what they say, and whether the weigh in on you. Among other things.

If I am thinking of the same thing you are, Falcon and I had a similar start-of-game experience with not knowing the game was going on and having a hard time catching up, and he townread me for it. Personally I think it NAI, but meh.

before that

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:28 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:13 am Rico I've read their ISO like 3 times and honestly aside from a few very small examples, I cannot tell what they're thinking about the players they are discussing. Maybe I am just having trouble understanding them, but I also see this from people who are good at scum sometimes, speaking in such a way that can be interpreted later however they want. The one place they seem to take a strong stance on was Scotty, but that was something that was a "nosescratcing" post early on, and only once Rico was a viable wagon does he push hard there.
My impression of Rico is that he has tried to provide nuance and take care about the way he discusses the things he discusses in a similar way to myself. I believe there are takes in there; they just don't always come in that succinct "town read/mafia read" format. I cannot point to a specific example off-hand though, so I will consider what you've said when I review Rico today. I intend to review everyone.

If you can find a specific example, I'd appreciate it. I've read their ISO like 4 times now and every time it feels like they're just recapping. The closest thing I could find to a real take was their earlygame take on Vivax where he disagreed with your scumread there, but then Vivax randomly became Rico's strongest scumread and idk why. @Ricochet

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 1:19 am Could anyone that suspects Rico please just summarize their gripes? A single sentence would be super.

I literally did that like 3 posts before this one. Are you reading me, or?

I went to go vote Martin, but they aren't in the poll. I then realized I didn't vote Rico in the poll, so I am now voting Rico in the poll.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 10:17 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:58 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:56 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:24 pm rico - imo towny via tone, towny attempt at solving despite him mowing down my towncore
tell me about the tone if you can describe it

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:24 pm lime coke - i dont see why he's town
expand on this if you can as well

fmpov lime coke has been preety decent if not lean town
rico - he seems confident that he knows what he's doing

lime coke - i can't. i dont see anything. thats why i dont see him being town
Reason why I asked is that, if I recall from memory correctly, Rico doesn't have much in the tone department but his progression and case on Scotty is decent enough that I can see it from a town perspective even if I have problems with it (biggest problem in particular was how he seemed to have issue with Scotty had "flat" pushes but IMO its typical of some towns to push more than a few buttons on d1 to get the game and solving going, and I don't see Rico giving that benefit of doubt that I would).

As for Lime, I think his tone has been fairly good at times. I think this post (link) is among the better examples. The fact that you say Rico has good tone while Lime (through omission you communicate that) doesn't have that is kinda the opposite of where I am on those two slots. Is there some other reason holding you back on Lime Coke?

Meh.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:40 pm Yawn

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

I feel like I'm the loudest voice pushing for Ricochet, and you seem to be scumreading me. How does that factor into your vote here?

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:30 pm Seanzie and Martin are both wolfy

Tell me more about both of us please.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:24 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Interesting vote by Seanzie and I'd like to discuss that and his view of Falcon. I'm not quite sure what I want to discuss specifically though regarding Rico outside of stereotypical "why", I'll need to re-check my knowledge of Rico for like the 3rd time.

One of Falcon's responses towards seanzie was TRing him because Falcon was town...which is among the very few reasonings he has stated. Later he mentions being let to slank longer and it reads to me as having difficulty getting into the game but not wanting to admit it. At the very least I am hopeful to see more from them today.

Falcon made a post early on that I thought was town-indicative for Falcon, and I haven't seen anything since to really shake that feeling.

Rico I've read their ISO like 3 times and honestly aside from a few very small examples, I cannot tell what they're thinking about the players they are discussing. Maybe I am just having trouble understanding them, but I also see this from people who are good at scum sometimes, speaking in such a way that can be interpreted later however they want. The one place they seem to take a strong stance on was Scotty, but that was something that was a "nosescratcing" post early on, and only once Rico was a viable wagon does he push hard there.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 13, 2023 9:24 pm die_meatbaby - no comment
porscha - sean GOAT claimed godread
martin - imo town for d1 item choice + i love everything he's doing. all of his solving, tone, everything
zenon - no comment
jjj - imo town for d1 item choice

rico - imo towny via tone, towny attempt at solving despite him mowing down my towncore
sean - i thought his entrance was fine. nothing too grandiose but he's ok with me
creature - i thought his entrance was fine. nothing too grandiose but he's ok with me
rondo - no comment

motobot - i dont see why he's town
lime coke - i dont see why he's town
drwilgy - i dont see why he's town
falcon - i dont see why he's town

i notice that martin and rondo arent on the poll

Where has Rico been towny in solving? I feel like almost all his posts are just restating what happened without actually considering alignments.

I've been being antisocial at my friends house refreshing for an hour waiting to post that. Okay I'mma go actually be non-antisocial now.

But also [VOTE: Rico] aubergine

[VOTE: gold] aubergine

@MartinGG99 @JaggedJimmyJay @RondoDimBuckle @Scotty @Vivax @tutuu @Creature You're all voting vanity wagons. Please consider moving, or make a case for your vote if you feel strongly about it.

@S~V~S @Zenon both of you are unviting by voting yourselves. I recommend actually casting a real vote soon.

I've got a dinner date tonight so I won't be around for EoD... somebody fix this shiz plz.

There's less than 2 hours left and there are 12 people with votes. We really need to consolidate at least somewhat. If there are 4 wolves, they could literally stack anywhere right now and that wagon would win.

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:55 pm Seanzie’s arrival to the game kind of mirrors Creature’s, and I like it in both cases.
You're going to have to elaborate on this. Creature's ISO looks like they've just been complaining about being suspected for not being in the game early, and then naked voting people and pushing me for not being in the game early, and then dipping for the entire second half of the day.

How does this mirror me at all?
Is this worth townreading Seanzie for? Or can he fake that as wolf?

Pretty sure he could fake it.

Do you feel like our enterances are similar?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:28 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:55 pm Seanzie’s arrival to the game kind of mirrors Creature’s, and I like it in both cases.
You're going to have to elaborate on this. Creature's ISO looks like they've just been complaining about being suspected for not being in the game early, and then naked voting people and pushing me for not being in the game early, and then dipping for the entire second half of the day.

How does this mirror me at all?
Clearly you two have different personalities. The parallel I refer to is arriving after a long delay and immediately settling into form (your different respective forms).

Town!Creature is usually either almost completely disengaged, or they're very engaged and alternating between very nuanced takes and slightly-out-there takes. Here it looks like he is trying to be engaged, but not giving that off-the-wall juicy content that town!Creature can. I don't think I'd call this "settling into form".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:06 pm POE seems somewhat restrictive at the moment. I’m at approximately:

[Wilgy, falcon, motobot, Porscha, Vivax, Belzy]

I could likely add more if I graded tougher, but I feel decent about it as a starting point. Given the low activity skew of that pile, I doubt it’s perfect. I’ll try to rainbow it up later when I get through my afternoon business.

What do you think of Rico?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:55 pm Seanzie’s arrival to the game kind of mirrors Creature’s, and I like it in both cases.

You're going to have to elaborate on this. Creature's ISO looks like they've just been complaining about being suspected for not being in the game early, and then naked voting people and pushing me for not being in the game early, and then dipping for the entire second half of the day.

How does this mirror me at all?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:15 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:13 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:10 pm If I had a reads list it would look somewhat like...

Townread:
Scotty
Tutuu
JJJ
Zenon
Sean

Townlean:
SVS
Die_meat
Why did I get moved to forest green? Just because I asked?
Yes.

I feel like you're being very people-pleasy.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:10 pm If I had a reads list it would look somewhat like...

Townread:
Scotty
Tutuu
JJJ
Zenon
Sean

Townlean:
SVS
Die_meat

Why did I get moved to forest green? Just because I asked?

We're about 8 hours out from EoD, and I don't like Tutuu, Jay or Meatball (I see Lime just moved though) as wagons.

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 11:36 am Not really the list in order of confidence type but my elimination pool for today would be Rico/Martin/SVS, most realistically. I roughly agree with most placements in Seanzie´s list which is a blunt way to describe it but I am happy to ascribe to it.

That´s cause I was able to get some information from them. Wildcards for me would be Wilgy/motobot. Porscha initially too but she´s town from the latest tone in her posts imo, method worked for me so far I think. Lime Coke idk either I can have others figure it out.

Seanzie seems town.

Based on just Rico/Martin/SVS/Porscha, we seem to be pretty far away from each other thoughtwise, only matching on two of those names but you say you like my list. What other placements in particular are you happy with?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:43 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:41 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:37 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:36 am Game is something like this.

Porscha
die_meatbaby

tutuu

Scotty
MartinGG99
falcon45ca

JaggedJimmyJay
RondoDimBuckle

Zenon
S~V~S
motobot
Belzy
DrWilgy

Creature
Lime Coke
Vivax

Ricochet

I initially had Scotty a lot lower, and honestly I'm not sure if I could articulate why it felt wrong, but it did, so I ended up moving him up like 3 buckets.
Dead last? Mah goodness.
Mah goodness indeed. If it helps, I did include Vivax pretty low, just for you.
pls explain how porscha and dead flesh child are higher than tutuu outed doc?

Porscha is a polorized noob. Meatbaby is an actual newcomer and has shown clear signs of townie aggression that I think someone on their 3rd game would be very unlikely to be able to pull off as scum.

I saw something about Tutuu claiming something, but didn't actually see what the claim was, so my Tutuu read isn't based on that.

All the rest are because I'm good at this game.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:37 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:36 am Game is something like this.

Porscha
die_meatbaby

tutuu

Scotty
MartinGG99
falcon45ca

JaggedJimmyJay
RondoDimBuckle

Zenon
S~V~S
motobot
Belzy
DrWilgy

Creature
Lime Coke
Vivax

Ricochet

I initially had Scotty a lot lower, and honestly I'm not sure if I could articulate why it felt wrong, but it did, so I ended up moving him up like 3 buckets.
Dead last? Mah goodness.

Mah goodness indeed. If it helps, I did include Vivax pretty low, just for you.

Vivax wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 10:30 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 8:50 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:08 pm Townread:
Scotty
Tutuu
JJJ

Townlean:
Zenon
Martin

[VOTE: Die Meat baby] aubergine
I should probably be colored forest green here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 9:07 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:46 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:58 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:56 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:35 pm Can't we kill Porscha? Last time Porscha was mafia i gut scumread her. This time time I'm also gut scumreading her. 2/2 maybe???
Porscha is town so like maybe push a scum
Maybe u can teach me a thing or two about scumhunting id be happy to learn from u!
I am not a scum hunter I am a town hunter by trade so like no. But also Sean and Porscha are obv town and 2 of your very hard early pushes so like *shrugs*
Why am I obvtown? I feel like I've had a hard time getting into the game thus far.
Why are Seans expectations different?

Good Question

Game is something like this.

Porscha
die_meatbaby

tutuu

Scotty
MartinGG99
falcon45ca

JaggedJimmyJay
RondoDimBuckle

Zenon
S~V~S
motobot
Belzy
DrWilgy

Creature
Lime Coke
Vivax

Ricochet

I initially had Scotty a lot lower, and honestly I'm not sure if I could articulate why it felt wrong, but it did, so I ended up moving him up like 3 buckets.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:11 am Catching up from my wagonz post (#412). 7 pages oh boy. Sprawling notes incoming.

Vivax rebutted that he has cooled off due to gamestate i.e. sandbagging / vague gamereads to skirt being AI read. I don't think I grasp his pov, but it also doesn't eliminate the contrast of having looked into player's texts and intentions early on. One of the two approaches rings superficial.

Creature surfaces:
-- begs for mercy right away
-- points to meta of similar activity; to note, there is open disinterest stated in that game, which has so far not been expressed here; I reserve judgement on whether this is to save face or genuine
-- rebuttal that they would ghost under pressure, not entirely (and game-breakingly) is alright
-- questions tutuu on focusing on zeroposters, but townreads them for lulz-just-trollin
-- focuses on Seanzie inactivity and potential Rondo - JJJ buddying

Probably ok with Creature atp.

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Porscha more active:
-- statement on having also played AI-cluelesss for a while
-- startled by the idea of Seanzie being lynched
-- frustration at getting the polarized / not active enough treatment (from knowledgeable-on-meta players, especially)
-- ok so main rebuttal is that all the suss from tutuu is untrue and unfouonded
-- #674 is also a rebuttal worth considering (along with Se7en similar meta -- edit: though apparently some claims about that meta are not accurate?)

On the fence, but last posts read a lot better.

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JJJ desires more Martin

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tutuu chaosy with her instant townreads and vote switches.

and then roleclaims.
===reactions:
Scotty ok's it.
SVS lemme think about it's it.
JJJ disapproves of tutuu wagon regardless' it.
Rondo annyoed at early claim's it.
Porscha expresses reservations of WIFOM's it.
Zenon doesn't find it confirmable's it and disapprove of protection choice's it.

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Sudden Porscha push (tutuu, scotty, JJJ on page), coupled with very inactive / complete inactives. Ergh. Porscha or one other individual name on this list would ring fine, but creating a wolf scenario of whatif's and zero-poster's feels like driving attention outside a lot of actual gamestate.

JJJ later states it has more to do with the expectation of an active, town Porscha.
Scotty later likes the pushback.

State of push now...? ?

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Zenon votes Vivax.
Zenon votes Tutuu.
Townreads Porscha.
Asks for Tutuu's protection. Then to use it on Rondo.
Wolfreads tutuu's Seanzie vote.
Zenon votes Scotty.

Hm. Woke up with the vibe that it's still all tantrum and empty voting, BUT the read into tutuu is acknowledgeable. Best part of the ISO by far, atm.

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SVS surfaces
-- more mechtalk and susstalk in relation to tutuu
-- back and forths with Scotty
-- step back on tutuu after roleclaim

Growing feeling that her interests and topics are inversely proportional to having made any actual read or focused elsewhere. There is potential in skirting with this. Or just preparing to tunnel on those two suss's.

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Rondo surfaces and sort of sprawls all over. I don't find the time and resources to judge all of that. Pass.

Did not expect him to defend zeroposter-D1-lynching, tho.

Some proposal about the item pick order on D2 that I don't understand one bit.

At least seems to come up with a JJJ + Scotty + Vivax scenario. Some JJJ - Scotty interaction is perhaps worth analyzing, but his mashup of quotes also felt from all over the place.
Does make a point about both of his suspects brushing it off with hahahoohoo's.

I am feeling a decent to light to strong pass on Rondo material toDay.

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Seanzie!

-- abandons all hope of catching up first 12 pages
Funny how JJJ suggests that he look into mostly inactives. Ergh.
-- townreads Porscha. Repeatedly. Calls it a tell thing. States it was accurate a lot of times in previous games.
A Porscha / Seanzie w/w world would already start to look kinda dumbmove, judging from Seanzie's moves.
-- rebuttal on same "polarized" argument from tutuu (unfounded, unrealistic, unproved meta-wise)
-- lol mushrooms
-- fine's falcon

uuhhhh k

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Martin!

Bookmarking his longass post to look at later. Maybe.

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votes on Metababy
-- tutuu why
-- Martin have to read the longass post to probably figure out why
-- LimeCoke why

another wagon with little... meat on it (CSI_hiyaaa_mp2

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Speaking of LimeCoke: resurfaces,
-- apparently forgot to vote, surprised he isn't getting flak.
-- also considers Vivax, Motobot or Porscha voting

uhhhh k

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Falcon surfaces
-- too long doesn't read Rondo's case
-- vibes with Sean on several levels

uuuuh k

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Meatbaby surfaces and... wew. That is some tone. Da fuk.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 4:12 am that's all I can do for the next few hours, probably.

Not feeling that great about camp probably
Vivax
SVS
Scotty
(in this order of severity)

I'm having a very hard time figuring out how you feel about anything from your first post, and I don't see how you arrived at the camp you mentioned in your second post. In particular, can you tell me about Scotty? I feel like they've been rather present in the pages you caught up on, but you only briefly mentioned how other people are reacting to them.

die_meatbaby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 3:28 am Sorry I was working long yesterday and didn't had any energy to write here. Also that I am just writing on the phone because I can't log in on my fucking PC and this piss me of. My Screen on the Phone is ripped and so it takes fucking nervs do write with this thing
@tutuu
I played 2 games before and never did somebody have a ego like yours and annoyed me this fucking much. You literally just piss me of with no fucking reason.... I sorry that I didn't have time to spam the thread with bs like you.

Welcome to The Syndicate. Would you mind getting an avatar when you get a chance? It helps me associate your posts together better when it isn't the generic question mark.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:46 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:58 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 12:56 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:35 pm Can't we kill Porscha? Last time Porscha was mafia i gut scumread her. This time time I'm also gut scumreading her. 2/2 maybe???
Porscha is town so like maybe push a scum
Maybe u can teach me a thing or two about scumhunting id be happy to learn from u!
I am not a scum hunter I am a town hunter by trade so like no. But also Sean and Porscha are obv town and 2 of your very hard early pushes so like *shrugs*

Why am I obvtown? I feel like I've had a hard time getting into the game thus far.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:47 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:00 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:47 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:02 pm Lol why arent you actually combating my point?
which points? why im scumreading u and sean? u said it urself. ur polarized. ur not being towny. so i have to think ur maf
Tell me about me.
u werent posting so i thought ur maf
I didn't even know about the game until I saw your @ this morning, and then didn't get a rolecard until this afternoon, and then I took some mushrooms and ended up getting lost in a sunflower maze and ate brussels sprout pecan tacos. I have not had time to post.

You had me at hello.

This totally vibes with my own experience this game, except I took different drugs and ate different food...and I didn't get lost, BUT! The rest is the same.

TR Sean

I don't think my experience is AI. Why are you townreading me for it?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:08 pm Townread:
Scotty
Tutuu
JJJ

Townlean:
Zenon
Martin

[VOTE: Die Meat baby] aubergine

I should probably be colored forest green here.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:40 pm Nah, Porscha's town.
why
I have a secret tell on Porscha that hasn't been wrong yet, even before she broke out of her volume-tell issue. I'd rather not say what it is because I've been able to catch her off like 3 posts a few times, and I can usually find her town very quickly when she is town.
Is your secret tell TMI that she is town?

In a way. I hacked Porscha's discord, so I just pop over and check on her alignment every game. I'm not unfair about it though - if she rands wolf, I don't look at mafia chat, so that mafia still has a fair chacne.

Falcon's fine. I am a little upset I needed to read the bible though.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:47 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:02 pm Lol why arent you actually combating my point?
which points? why im scumreading u and sean? u said it urself. ur polarized. ur not being towny. so i have to think ur maf
Tell me about me.
u werent posting so i thought ur maf

I didn't even know about the game until I saw your @ this morning, and then didn't get a rolecard until this afternoon, and then I took some mushrooms and ended up getting lost in a sunflower maze and ate brussels sprout pecan tacos. I have not had time to post.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:40 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:42 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 8:39 pm The fact that JJJ And Scotty are pulling a coordinated funny man routine against my sus only confirms it to me. I better be lynched early or JJJ and Scotty go
What’s interesting here,,,is as I’m thinking about it, this sounds like something I would totally do. Your little tinfoil including me is actually plausible. I would probably be comfortable bussing one or both of my teammates.

I don’t hate the tinfoil.

Aaaaaaanyway back to [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine
Nah, Porscha's town.
You've decided that about me already?

I've read you correctly on the first few pages of our past like 6 games together.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:40 pm Nah, Porscha's town.
why

I have a secret tell on Porscha that hasn't been wrong yet, even before she broke out of her volume-tell issue. I'd rather not say what it is because I've been able to catch her off like 3 posts a few times, and I can usually find her town very quickly when she is town.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:33 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 3:52 pm No reason to town read
Belzy
Creature
die_meatbaby
DrWilgy
falcon45ca
Lime Coke
motobot
Porscha
Seanzie
Vivax
@Seanzie you should pop open one or more of these ISOs and tell me what you think.

Porscha town. I'll do Falcon after I catch up.

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