The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:37 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:21 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:01 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:27 am
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:24 am nutella

tella me what you think about DoO and her shenanigans

tella me what you think about Esooa

tella me what you think about Chardonnay
doo is town, not worth arguing that unless we hit lylo.

esooa would be my main deepwolf candidate if my pool of jack>gman>epi>sean>kyle doesnt finish it. i think her play yesterday can be interpreted as her power wolfing a bit. but i'm not ready to really turn to that before my main poe.

chardonnay i feel is likely town
You seem to have a lot more people ahead of me for someone who was voting for me this morning? Maybe I am just self-conscious, but I feel like I have not been particularly towny this game. Care to explain why I am placed where I am in that list?
I never voted you? But yes you are in my main poe, just not as strong a scumread as jack or g atm.
Yup, you're right, I got you and MacDougal mixed up in my mind, you never voted me, you just scumread me immediately after MacDougal voted me.

Still remember seeing a super scummy looking post from you yesterday.

I think I'd still like to hear why you were scumreading me so hard early D3, and ended up with so many targets below me by the time of this post.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:21 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 2:01 am
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:27 am
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:24 am nutella

tella me what you think about DoO and her shenanigans

tella me what you think about Esooa

tella me what you think about Chardonnay
doo is town, not worth arguing that unless we hit lylo.

esooa would be my main deepwolf candidate if my pool of jack>gman>epi>sean>kyle doesnt finish it. i think her play yesterday can be interpreted as her power wolfing a bit. but i'm not ready to really turn to that before my main poe.

chardonnay i feel is likely town
You seem to have a lot more people ahead of me for someone who was voting for me this morning? Maybe I am just self-conscious, but I feel like I have not been particularly towny this game. Care to explain why I am placed where I am in that list?
I never voted you? But yes you are in my main poe, just not as strong a scumread as jack or g atm.

Yup, you're right, I got you and MacDougal mixed up in my mind, you never voted me, you just scumread me immediately after MacDougal voted me.

Still remember seeing a super scummy looking post from you yesterday.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:27 am
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:24 am nutella

tella me what you think about DoO and her shenanigans

tella me what you think about Esooa

tella me what you think about Chardonnay
doo is town, not worth arguing that unless we hit lylo.

esooa would be my main deepwolf candidate if my pool of jack>gman>epi>sean>kyle doesnt finish it. i think her play yesterday can be interpreted as her power wolfing a bit. but i'm not ready to really turn to that before my main poe.

chardonnay i feel is likely town

You seem to have a lot more people ahead of me for someone who was voting for me this morning? Maybe I am just self-conscious, but I feel like I have not been particularly towny this game. Care to explain why I am placed where I am in that list?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:11 am jack, gman, seanzie

Care to come at me, then? Why is my name on that list?

I'm much better at telling people's alignments when they suspect me, than when they don't.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 1:00 am @Seanzie have you ever played with guillo before?

Yeah, aside from Marmot (and Nanook if you want to count dead people...), Guillo is the person I am most familar with in this game.

I played Bike Mafia here with Guillo (he repped out D2 I think and his slot was town), and two games on MafC with him (he was scum in the first and they swept. He was town and was killed N1 in the second, but that game is ongoing and I am still alive in that game, so that is all I will say)

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:50 am wait who the heck is GIl then

I don't know, but I'd guess Guillotina?

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:35 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:26 am
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Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:19 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:16 am
Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:05 am @Seanzie how caught up are you generally?
I read maybe 10% of D1, then a lot of early D2, got lost when I woke up to like 15 pages, but read a few random pages of D2, and followed most of EoD2, and skimmed early D3.

I am having a hard time retaining things since I have no context for like almost all of the people in the game.

Some things I remember:

DoO's fake redcheck on Falcon - I followed that pretty well, along with the resolution later.

I have figured out that there is 3p stuff going on with 112 and someone else? (I know their name but sight, but I can't remember it now, but they have the avatar with that brown creature thing). People want to yeet 112 because they are the lost wolf, but I think that is silly given the setup, since lost wolf only benefits wolves in the fact that they aren't town and that they count towards pairity.

I also figured out the whole you vs. Michelle thing. I had very loose vibey reasons to suspect Michelle before I knew that was happening, but again, I still think best practice would have been to yeet outside of that. I voted for Kyle, but I have no read on Kyle. I just trusted the thread in that they were the best yeet outside {Made,Michelle}.

aside from that, I am like wholeheartedly lost, but... I am really going to try to read today. I have a few super vibey little reads, but nothing substantial at all. I am having a hard time keeping track of all the players.
yeah, uh...maybe wait a few hours before trying to get too too much further into to thread....

Based on what you've gotten from the eod, where is your head at? obviously you look pretty bad, but like where would you set your eyes on now?
Why? I don't understand what you are getting at here.
I don't really have anywhere my eyes are going right now. I was hoping to try to read D3 as it happens, and gain reads from there. If I notice something of interest, I will follow it. If not, I will try to just sheep a townread of mine again unless there is mech reason not to.
if I were Gil, I'd most likely shoot you here, but it's nothing that's definitely gonna happen. subing into a busy game and then immediately getting chopped sucks, but we're not there just yet anyways.

Thoughts on Nutella following your lead on the Michelle|Made thing? did you think your argument was convincing enough to get everyone to switch?

I think there was a lot of chatter before my push that not lunching within the doctor claims was a good idea. Some of the random pages I skimmed, I think I saw people mention this. Macdougal comes to mind (not to target him, but he is a super high poster, so his name I recognize more than others. Other people I think also said it, but I haven't necessarily learned their names yet) I don't remember Nutella specifically pushing a wagon move after me, but I do remember seeing a post of Nutella's that I very strongly didn't like.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:19 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:16 am
Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:05 am @Seanzie how caught up are you generally?
I read maybe 10% of D1, then a lot of early D2, got lost when I woke up to like 15 pages, but read a few random pages of D2, and followed most of EoD2, and skimmed early D3.

I am having a hard time retaining things since I have no context for like almost all of the people in the game.

Some things I remember:

DoO's fake redcheck on Falcon - I followed that pretty well, along with the resolution later.

I have figured out that there is 3p stuff going on with 112 and someone else? (I know their name but sight, but I can't remember it now, but they have the avatar with that brown creature thing). People want to yeet 112 because they are the lost wolf, but I think that is silly given the setup, since lost wolf only benefits wolves in the fact that they aren't town and that they count towards pairity.

I also figured out the whole you vs. Michelle thing. I had very loose vibey reasons to suspect Michelle before I knew that was happening, but again, I still think best practice would have been to yeet outside of that. I voted for Kyle, but I have no read on Kyle. I just trusted the thread in that they were the best yeet outside {Made,Michelle}.

aside from that, I am like wholeheartedly lost, but... I am really going to try to read today. I have a few super vibey little reads, but nothing substantial at all. I am having a hard time keeping track of all the players.
yeah, uh...maybe wait a few hours before trying to get too too much further into to thread....

Based on what you've gotten from the eod, where is your head at? obviously you look pretty bad, but like where would you set your eyes on now?

Why? I don't understand what you are getting at here.

I don't really have anywhere my eyes are going right now. I was hoping to try to read D3 as it happens, and gain reads from there. If I notice something of interest, I will follow it. If not, I will try to just sheep a townread of mine again unless there is mech reason not to.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 12:05 am @Seanzie how caught up are you generally?

I read maybe 10% of D1, then a lot of early D2, got lost when I woke up to like 15 pages, but read a few random pages of D2, and followed most of EoD2, and skimmed early D3.

I am having a hard time retaining things since I have no context for like almost all of the people in the game.

Some things I remember:

DoO's fake redcheck on Falcon - I followed that pretty well, along with the resolution later.

I have figured out that there is 3p stuff going on with 112 and someone else? (I know their name but sight, but I can't remember it now, but they have the avatar with that brown creature thing). People want to yeet 112 because they are the lost wolf, but I think that is silly given the setup, since lost wolf only benefits wolves in the fact that they aren't town and that they count towards pairity.

I also figured out the whole you vs. Michelle thing. I had very loose vibey reasons to suspect Michelle before I knew that was happening, but again, I still think best practice would have been to yeet outside of that. I voted for Kyle, but I have no read on Kyle. I just trusted the thread in that they were the best yeet outside {Made,Michelle}.

aside from that, I am like wholeheartedly lost, but... I am really going to try to read today. I have a few super vibey little reads, but nothing substantial at all. I am having a hard time keeping track of all the players.

reywaS wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:58 pm Just one more thing I wanted to add.

The scum team must have knowledge of at least a couple of roles that are safe to claim. I don’t see LC making this role claiming legal if there isn’t some sort of balancing factor. We should stop treating claims as legit.

I really don’t trust DoO’s gameplay

I am not familiar with The Syndicate's game balancing rules, but this angleshooty reasoning doesn't check out to me. Roleclaiming being legal was included in the original setup prior to the game being shrunk, so it doesn't seem unreasonble to assume it would still be here with the game shrinking, even without scum compensation in learning the roles. I think it is obvious that we shouldn't necessarily treat every claim as legit though, that is pretty evident in things that went on yesterday and the fact that there is no soup for scum. I don't see a way to tell if fakeclaiming is AI or not without further context though, so idk what this post adds, aside from the DoO read.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 11:42 pm
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Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:37 pm So like, who should I vote for? I've been trying to get caught up on the thread, but ngl, the size of the game, and just how busy I am right now is making that very hard, and in all honestly I'm not going to be caught up enough to vote sensibly before EoD today.

So I'm just going to sheep the first person who seems towny that tells me what to do, then try harder tomorrow.

Any shepherds want a sheep?

If no one speaks, I'mma just vote Michelle. Seems like the popular thing to do.

Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:50 pm Has anyone explained why would michelle who was having a great game and being towny just claim someone else’s role? Doesn’t make much sense to me. What led to this?

reywaS wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:51 pmGrogu is townie

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 8:57 pm headache and suffering will not abate and screen does only harm, despite the heroic dark mode's best efforts, I have only seen snippets of the made Michelle thing, essentially what's going on is they've claimed the same role, but Made seems more sincere? is this correct

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:24 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:22 pm Well, since Michelle appears to be going down today and won't admit it, Michelle visited the SPIDER-MAN last night, which is why I was inclined to believe her doc claim at first, but she hasn't admitted this herself, so she's probably just scum here.
bruh lol
im gonna take my pants off and then put them on my head

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:24 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:22 pm Well, since Michelle appears to be going down today and won't admit it, Michelle visited the SPIDER-MAN last night, which is why I was inclined to believe her doc claim at first, but she hasn't admitted this herself, so she's probably just scum here.
hmmmm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:29 pm Brix - Seemer, each night choose a target, that player will deceive info roles. Choose your role reveal upon death. You will know when you are targeted, and what false information was given.

yknow i bet michelle is this role and is going to flip doc to make us all suspect made.

if omega is really THE, it's possible michelle targeted her thinking she had claimed cop and wanted to deceive her.

or maybe im misreading this role? wait actually it sounds like it targets a teammate to make them appear town or targets a townie to "miller" them

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:29 pm Brix - Seemer, each night choose a target, that player will deceive info roles. Choose your role reveal upon death. You will know when you are targeted, and what false information was given.

yknow i bet michelle is this role and is going to flip doc to make us all suspect made.

if omega is really THE, it's possible michelle targeted her thinking she had claimed cop and wanted to deceive her.

or maybe im misreading this role? wait actually it sounds like it targets a teammate to make them appear town or targets a townie to "miller" them
Don't like this post one bit. Nope nope nope.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:33 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:29 pm Brix - Seemer, each night choose a target, that player will deceive info roles. Choose your role reveal upon death. You will know when you are targeted, and what false information was given.

yknow i bet michelle is this role and is going to flip doc to make us all suspect made.

if omega is really THE, it's possible michelle targeted her thinking she had claimed cop and wanted to deceive her.

or maybe im misreading this role? wait actually it sounds like it targets a teammate to make them appear town or targets a townie to "miller" them
Don't like this post one bit. Nope nope nope.
just paranoid of the possibility and putting it out there so we can puzzle it out if need be

marmot revealing michelle targeted THE got me thinking about it but i think i may understand that part of the role wrong

but the fake flip thing is scary regardless

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:35 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:34 pm Nobody told me what to do, so I'mma [VOTE: Nutella] aubergine.
you should vote michelle

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:36 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 7:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:47 pm [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

Who'd you protect last night?

@Michelle
Omega and Nutella
alright i mean this checks out i guess

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:39 pm if omega is THE then michelle targeting her checks out, and both omega and myself would have been reasonable protection targets

idk how do people feel

im so much more paranoid considering the seemer thing though but

fuck if shes real doc it would be quite bad lol

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:42 pm [VOTE: kylemii] aubergine

im so stressed

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:44 pm So like, who are probable wolves aside from Made/Michelle? Because Made/Michelle really doesn't need to be resolved tonight if there is something better.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:44 pm So like, who are probable wolves aside from Made/Michelle? Because Made/Michelle really doesn't need to be resolved tonight if there is something better.
kyle

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:45 pmGuillo

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:45 pm it is definitely optimal not to kill into the claims, I've been yelled at on video mafia enough times to know that

Made wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:46 pm all of the good tactic players would say no last second wagon switches.

we'll be fine y'all

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:46 pm inb4 Michelle is the medic and we get to dayvig Made tomorrow!

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:45 pm it is definitely optimal not to kill into the claims, I've been yelled at on video mafia enough times to know that
yeh I'm on seanzie

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:46 pm [VOTE: kyle] aubergine

*holds breath*

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:47 pm I'm unvoting. idk whst to do.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:47 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:45 pm it is definitely optimal not to kill into the claims, I've been yelled at on video mafia enough times to know that
yeh I'm on seanzie
just consolidate onto kyle, there might not be enough of the michelle voters around to unvote her

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:47 pm [VOTE: Kyle] aubergine

I'm perfectly fine with this choice, I'd just assumed we'd left.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:47 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:45 pm it is definitely optimal not to kill into the claims, I've been yelled at on video mafia enough times to know that
yeh I'm on seanzie
im down for a sean chop as well but not likely to happen atp, can you consolidate onto kyle?

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:47 pm [VOTE: bonks kyle] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:48 pm at this point its either kyle or michelle, vanity wagons over

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:48 pm Did Made just literally post about the art thing with 15 minutes left before EoD just as we were considering the possibility that Michelle is town to distract us from figuring out what to do? Because I have this tinfoil that Made just literally posted about the art thing with 15 minutes left before EoD just as we were considering the possibility that Michelle is town to distract us from figuring out what to do.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:49 pm made showing up suddenly doesn't make me feel great ngl

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:49 pm [VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:50 pm @Epignosis move to kyle please

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:50 pm (if epi doesnt move and kyle flips maf epi is outed remember this. epi doesnt bus)

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:50 pm chardonnay on Grogu lol

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:51 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:49 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:48 pm 112 is a safe vote.
your vote is doing nothing. vote kyle
thing is the supposed reason Kyle is supposed to be scum is weak. you basically scum read him for not liking his playstyle/tone/texting method

which is lame in my books

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:51 pm @DaughterOfOmega @Grogu @Jackofhearts2005 @KZA if youre here itd be good to move

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:51 pm @Made, if you're town, you're dead tonight regardless

It's either Michelle today then Kyle tomorrow, or Kyle today then Michelle tomorrow.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:52 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:51 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:49 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:48 pm 112 is a safe vote.
your vote is doing nothing. vote kyle
thing is the supposed reason Kyle is supposed to be scum is weak. you basically scum read him for not liking his playstyle/tone/texting method

which is lame in my books
nah i had like 7 reasons, some were stylistic and pattern matching to previous games yes, some were based on interactions with the flipped wolf, some were based on his voting patterns and pushes

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:52 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:52 pm cfd is weak and lame and bad.
scummy af tbh

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:53 pm doom silently moved

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:53 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:52 pm cfd is weak and lame and bad.
It is mechanically the right decision because we're guaranteed to have the doc alive going into night.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:55 pm wtf why did doom move back to michelle

here's the chain of events that lead to the OMG WE NEED TO SWITCH RIGHT NOW. Seanzie looks the worst here by far followed by nutella imo.

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine
anyone have meta on Seanzie?

Oh, it is going to suck having to answer to the fact that I am here only a few minutes after you posted this, but oh well.

Guillo, Marmot, DoO, you, Epi, Grogu, and MR are the people I've played with before (even though Grogu repped out in Bike pretty early, so idk if that counts?)

Yeah, I agree, my EoD doesn't look great. I stand by my choice though. Not yeeting within the potential doctors made sense. I did believe you more than Michelle, but I still think it would have been best play (without the new information regarding the flip) to flip outside of {Made,Michelle}.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:55 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:55 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:53 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:52 pm cfd is weak and lame and bad.
It is mechanically the right decision because we're guaranteed to have the doc alive going into night.
hmm, okay but why not everyone yeet the glorified survivor lost wolfaka 112? they can track and will just out infos to wolves.
because nobody wants to chop 112 and there has been zero discussion about that so a cfd there is ten times worse
literally a wolf is a bad yeet. literally a wolf.

112 is only a wolf in name. For almost all intents and purposes they are 3p that can win with town.

[VOTE: Kylemii] aubergine

Did Made just literally post about the art thing with 15 minutes left before EoD just as we were considering the possibility that Michelle is town to distract us from figuring out what to do? Because I have this tinfoil that Made just literally posted about the art thing with 15 minutes left before EoD just as we were considering the possibility that Michelle is town to distract us from figuring out what to do.

So like, who are probable wolves aside from Made/Michelle? Because Made/Michelle really doesn't need to be resolved tonight if there is something better.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:33 pm should i just out all my role reads so the people who realise they've outed themselves can like, i dunno, out their legacy or something?
Lol

Maaaaaaybe listing just their names is a better idea, but still not great.

The safest way to do it would be to list the names, but also include the names of all the people who haven't outed themselves as well to confuse scum... oh wait...

Nobody told me what to do, so I'mma [VOTE: Nutella] aubergine.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 9:26 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:29 pm Brix - Seemer, each night choose a target, that player will deceive info roles. Choose your role reveal upon death. You will know when you are targeted, and what false information was given.

yknow i bet michelle is this role and is going to flip doc to make us all suspect made.

if omega is really THE, it's possible michelle targeted her thinking she had claimed cop and wanted to deceive her.

or maybe im misreading this role? wait actually it sounds like it targets a teammate to make them appear town or targets a townie to "miller" them

Don't like this post one bit. Nope nope nope.

So like, who should I vote for? I've been trying to get caught up on the thread, but ngl, the size of the game, and just how busy I am right now is making that very hard, and in all honestly I'm not going to be caught up enough to vote sensibly before EoD today.

So I'm just going to sheep the first person who seems towny that tells me what to do, then try harder tomorrow.

Any shepherds want a sheep?

If no one speaks, I'mma just vote Michelle. Seems like the popular thing to do.

Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 6:58 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:49 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:48 pm
Made wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 4:44 pm actually, fuck it,

I'm Cosmic Spider. I don't know how else to approach this
Did michelle hinted at your role?
Michelle hardclaimed Cosmic Spider yesterday yes
Oh wow. @made are you hardclaiming this? Or is this another omega fiasco?

Hopefully Omega was the last fiasco...

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Mon Feb 08, 2021 12:16 am I'm trying to nail down who exactly in my POE we are killing tomorrow.

I've been able to take out Guillotine, and probably Reywas.

I want us to break down my last 5
Grogu
Michelle
ESOOA
Epignosis
Marmot

Chardonnay would be in my POE, but is a special pending case because of the semi claim

I am like hardcore not caught up, but I just saw this, and all I can say is that given the little I read, I remembered getting bad vibes from a few posts by Michelle. Nothing concrete, but if I had to vote between these 5 right meow, I would go there.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 10:20 pm Actually, all the people who are “unvote” are kinda sus ngl

[VOTE: Chardonnay] aubergine

sus and proud.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:13 pm I vote A

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:14 pm CONTEST VOTE A
A1 B0

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:14 pm I also vote A..like he has an eyepatch over a mask

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:16 pm VOTE A

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 9:17 pm Context vote B

A2 B1

I vote A

Contest Drawing votes:

A: 4
B: 1

I vote B

A:4
B:2

Well that was really cool. I've never played a game with day powers, so this is very new to me. Good job dayvig!

Also, the drawings are amazing! I am going to vote in a separate post though to keep things straight.

LordQuas wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 7:47 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:53 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:38 pm I'd be inclined to think that there would be mafia in the current Falcon voters.
Definitely the opposite. If DoO and falcon are both town, wouldn't a town player be more likely to buy the claim for not having the knowledge?
yo is this a perspective slip

What is a perspective slip?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:30 pm Okay so knowing Falcon is town gives us a lot of confirmed town.

The POE is super easy now IMO

How are you going from "this person is confirmed mafia" to "this person is definitely town" without any critical thought?

CCing is dangerous, so even if someone does fakeclaim a role that happens to be active, there is no guarantee that the person with that role with CC.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:29 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:08 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 6:07 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:59 pm Here's the thing, Falcon could have shutdown the redcheck at any moment by claiming his character. This is a completely open setup, you should ask yourself why he was so scared to do so under the threat of a redcheck.

If he is mafia he knows that if he claims a town role, there is a living player who has that role and will immediately CC him, so in essence it is impossible for Falcon to claim anything as mafia.
You haven't claimed, yet you expect me to? How is this not blatant role hunting?
I will claim rn

I am THE spider man. Peter Parker. I have -2 votes.

Want to claim now?
I am the Scarlett Spider. If I'm killed, I resurrect 2 days later and have a day vig

Eh, if this is the case, I kinda want to vote you now. Seems in our benefit to resolve you while getting you to dayvig status as quick as possible.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:43 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:29 pm ROLES

Spiders

THE Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 616
---> Web Vest - You will survive the first kill attempt against you.
-----> Hero's Resolve - You will start each Day with -2 votes.

Assassin Spider-Man - Peter Parker - Earth 8351
---> Spider Sniper - You may enact one daykill.
-----> Paranoia - If you are targeted by an Inheritor, you can reload.

Spider-Man - Miles Morales - Earth 1610
---> Cloaking - You have a 50% chance to evade negative night abilities.
-----> Venom Blast - You can nullify a player's vote. (2 shots, day usage)

Spider-Man Noir - Peter Parker - Earth 90214
---> Spider-sense - Learn the alignment of one target per night.
-----> Demand Truth - Once per game, you can strongarm your check, seeing through deception and bypassing roleblocks.

Spider-Girl - Mayday Parker - Earth 982
---> Great Responsibility - You start with The Scion, and may pass it to another player at any time.
-----> Judge of Character - If you vote for a Spider, your vote is worth 0.5.

Silk - Cindy Moon - The Bride - Earth 616
---> Pheromone Connection - If THE Spider-Man is targeted, you will know who targeted him. If his death is janitored, you will know his identity.
-----> Web of Life and Destiny - You start the game with knowledge of The Other’s identity.

Kaine Parker - Scarlet Spider - The Other - Earth 616
---> Metamorphosis - You will self-resurrect two days after you die. You will resurrect with one daykill to use.
-----> Web of Life and Destiny - You start the game with knowledge of The Bride’s identity.

Spider-Punk - Hobie Brown - Earth 138
---> Fight the Power - You may stop one chop in the game.
-----> Hardcore - Each day you may target a player. That player may use their ability twice that night.

Manga Spider-Man - Yu Komori - Earth 2301
---> Focus on the Moment - Twice in the game, you can remove three votes from yourself during the day
-----> Extend Ch’i - Twice in the game, you can remove three votes from another player during the day

The Inheritors of the Multiverse - This family of powerful energy vampires have control over the Web of Life and Destiny, and powerful cloning technology that can get them back in the fight mere minutes after dying. Immensely powerful, immortal, nigh unstoppable.

Each night, one Inheritor will be chosen to make the team kill. If two Inheritors give up their night abilities, then the kill can be substituted for a Soup Kill. If an Inheritor makes the kill, they cannot be chosen to make the kill again before two nights have passed.

If the Bride, the Other, and the Scion die, the Inheritors may make two kills the following night.

Morlun - Your vote value is equal to half the Day phase number. You receive a -1 modifier each time THE Spider-Man ends the Day with a vote on you.

Verna - Poison a player each night. The nature of this poison is that the player shall receive cumulative votes at the start of each day until healed.

Solus - Strongman kill, will bypass any and all protections. If you vote for an Inheritor, your vote is worth 0.5.

okay, so
if we wagon THE spider man, -2 votes
if we wagon assassin, They kill the other wagon
if we wagon Miles, the zap -2 votes
If we wagon someone Noir has checked, they won't vote there.
Spider-girl's vote is less when she's wrong
Bride and Other won't vote for each-other
Spiderpunk stops their own chop
Manga drops 3 votes off themselves

VS

Morton who's vote currently is only worth 1 (assuming spiderman hasn't voted there weakening it further)
Verna has currently given 1 vote of poison
And solus can vote for their teammate at half value

Near tie, or maybe even tie wagons bias town right now

I think the one thing you aren't taking into account is the fact that there are more town than scum, so unless we are sure we have exactly 1 scum in a group of 2, this doesn't work as well, since the leading wagons are just more likely to be town (all else held equal).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:16 pm I tend towards the ez with DoO. That play comes from town far more than mafia. The merits of it idrc.

This is true. The more I think about it, the less I suspect DoO was doing it as scum, but I don't think it was a good play, and I don't buy DoO's analysis of the reactions garnered.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:13 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 5:07 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:59 pm Here's the thing, Falcon could have shutdown the redcheck at any moment by claiming his character. This is a completely open setup, you should ask yourself why he was so scared to do so under the threat of a redcheck.

If he is mafia he knows that if he claims a town role, there is a living player who has that role and will immediately CC him, so in essence it is impossible for Falcon to claim anything as mafia.
So, there is this thing called a soup kill, which makes claiming EXTREMELY disadvantageous.

I see what you're saying, but I don't think your logic checks out. There are four possibilities:

1. Falcon is town, Falcon doesn't claim: actually pretty reasonable since as I laid out, the only situation which this happens in is where you are either lying or Mafia. In both cases, it really doesn't benefit Falcon to claim.

2. Falcon is town, Falcon claims: Sure, he is "protected" from your lie, but then he gets soup killed the first time scum tries to soup kill. This gives scum an extra NK for free. Not good.

3. Falcon is scum, Falcon doesn't claim: If you wouldn't have admitted your lie, Falcon would have been lunched today, and scum would have nothing to show for it.

4. Falcon is scum, Falcon does claim: Maybe no one CC's, in which case you would probably back off, and Falcon would look very towny afterwards. Maybe someone does CC, Falcon goes down, but now scum has a soup kill target, giving them an extra NK as compensation for Falcon's death.

So... honestly, I think it is MORE likely that Falcon is town because he didn't claim. There is NO benefit to town!Falcon from claiming (he will just be soup killed eventually), but there IS benefit to wolf!Falcon for claiming (it gives scum a soup kill target).
1 isn't true. Falcon is heavily benefited to claim if I am mafia or lying.

THE REASON FALCON DIDN'T CLAIM IS BECUASE HE KNOWS I AM TOWN, AND HE CANT CALL ME MAFIA

He has 1 option as mafia, to hope I am lying, and that's what he did for 36 hours.

Falcon if he is town and has a claim. he has a ton of reason to prove himself and get me lynched

IF FALCON is town, he has no idea about my alignment, and to him he should be pushing me for what I did. The reason Falcon didn't do this is because he TMI'd the fact I am town

Sorry, no. Imagine a universe in which Falcon is town and he claimed and said "DoO is either lying or mafia!", what do you think would have happened? Because the right choice from all of towns perspective would have been to discourage CCing Falcon (because scum!Falcon has EVERY reason to claim if he really thinks he has been redchecked and is going down, so we can't trust his claim, and we don't want to give scum a soup kill target by CCing), lunch Falcon, and then lunch you the next day if Falcon flipped green.

I'm sorry but you are making bad assumptions here.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:59 pm Here's the thing, Falcon could have shutdown the redcheck at any moment by claiming his character. This is a completely open setup, you should ask yourself why he was so scared to do so under the threat of a redcheck.

If he is mafia he knows that if he claims a town role, there is a living player who has that role and will immediately CC him, so in essence it is impossible for Falcon to claim anything as mafia.

So, there is this thing called a soup kill, which makes claiming EXTREMELY disadvantageous.

I see what you're saying, but I don't think your logic checks out. There are four possibilities:

1. Falcon is town, Falcon doesn't claim: actually pretty reasonable since as I laid out, the only situation which this happens in is where you are either lying or Mafia. In both cases, it really doesn't benefit Falcon to claim.

2. Falcon is town, Falcon claims: Sure, he is "protected" from your lie, but then he gets soup killed the first time scum tries to soup kill. This gives scum an extra NK for free. Not good.

3. Falcon is scum, Falcon doesn't claim: If you wouldn't have admitted your lie, Falcon would have been lunched today, and scum would have nothing to show for it.

4. Falcon is scum, Falcon does claim: Maybe no one CC's, in which case you would probably back off, and Falcon would look very towny afterwards. Maybe someone does CC, Falcon goes down, but now scum has a soup kill target, giving them an extra NK as compensation for Falcon's death.

So... honestly, I think it is MORE likely that Falcon is town because he didn't claim. There is NO benefit to town!Falcon from claiming (he will just be soup killed eventually), but there IS benefit to wolf!Falcon for claiming (it gives scum a soup kill target).

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:54 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:53 pm So like... just spitballing here, but is it possible DoO is actually scum and wanted to try to get PT reads? (being CC'd could give one, Falcon claiming could give one, plus other mech talk could give multiple) With the added benefit of possibly flipping Falcon (whom in this tinfoil universe I am spinning is town) via dayvig or just via sowing seeds of distrust in the thread?

I only briefly skimmed like 15 pages of D1 so don't trust me if there is good reason to townread DoO.
No, and this is a scummy take

Why is that? Because it is about you? OMGUS isn't really a great way to build scumreads.

You lied to the thread. Minimally that is anti-town. Possibly scummy. I'm not sure how considering the possibility that you had non-noble intentions is scummy, rather than just doing my due diligence.

You also have shaded tons of people for extremely weak reasons today. Is this normal for you?

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:49 pm
Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:48 pm This game is too big for my very smooth brain

Someone smart just tell me what to do please
Never vote me.

Don't trust redchecks from DoO.

Otherwise you're on your own.
I see. Noted.

I don’t think if we’ve played together, so hi! Nice to meet you!

Hi! We did play together (Bike Mafia), but you got yeeted D1 because you liked the cut of my jib.

So like... just spitballing here, but is it possible DoO is actually scum and wanted to try to get PT reads? (being CC'd could give one, Falcon claiming could give one, plus other mech talk could give multiple) With the added benefit of possibly flipping Falcon (whom in this tinfoil universe I am spinning is town) via dayvig or just via sowing seeds of distrust in the thread?

I only briefly skimmed like 15 pages of D1 so don't trust me if there is good reason to townread DoO.

Made wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:48 pm This game is too big for my very smooth brain

Someone smart just tell me what to do please

Never vote me.

Don't trust redchecks from DoO.

Otherwise you're on your own.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Ugh, now I need to actually try to figure out who scum is before EoD today? I was so happy when I came in late and saw a mech-lock, it would have given me time to develop reads without having to stress about time.

I guess I'll start isoing random people.

I don't know why we are still talking about Falcon.

DoO has essentially claimed Spiderman Noir and used their strongarm check. We should ALWAYS flip Falcon here (and even if they claim something, no one should CC, we should flip Falcon either way, giving wolves as little info as possible)

If Falcon is scum: Great, we flipped scum!

If Falcon is town: Well, sorry you died Falcon, but your death outs DoO, and 1-1 townie-scum is a great trade for town.

The only way this doesn't give us a scum is if DoO is town and lying (which she needs to come clean about asap if she is), or possibly some other town mechanic moved things around (scum doesn't have the ability to mess with the strongarm check if I understand the setup correctly, but I'm not sure how the strongarm check interacts with town), and I am saying that is not the case.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 3:07 am BTW Falcon said he breadcrumbed his role and would clear him, but then left

anyone see it? I looked at the iso

I did too, and didn't see it. With like 25 roles I have a hard time thinking that you could breadcrumb a specific one in a way that it wouldn't need to be pointed out with any ease.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:33 am hey falcon like not trying to be that person but like I can think of several reasons why if you was mafia and why you would keep daughterofomega alive.

1. to have this very debate to discredit her

2. your teammates decided it be better to nk someone else instead.

3. you guys did try to kill her but shenanigans happened to nite plans

this is other stuff I thought of:

A. daughterofomega had her check redirected

B. she doesn't actually have this as her nite role

some of these is less believable then others.

I'll tell you that you don't have to worry about one of these things.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 12:28 am if it's true about 112 and quas, then why are we not voting to yeet one of them? shouldn't we be yeeting the lost wolves?

before anyone asks, but Daisy, why aren't you voting one of them... well, I'm still trying to figure out if this is actually accurate information or not first. if it is that is where I will vote.

otherwise, I will probably vote falcon. it be pretty bold for daughterofomega to make such a claim if they are wolf. if it turns out falcon is town we yeet/kill/etc daughterofomega next.

What is the story with 112 and Quas? Sorry, I missed D1 and I tried to read as much as I could but... there was a lot...

I see in the setup the lost wolf, but what is the second role pertinent to this?

From what I can tell, lost wolfs ability is weak compared to other scum, and they are kind of like a survivor, where you only really need to worry about them if town is losing, since if town is winning, it is actually in their best interest to help town win since they can win with town.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:04 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:01 pm GoO announced she was going to peek me before the end of day.

If I'm Maf, why is she still alive? Why would I let her live?
Oh, I see.

If DaughterofOmega is lying, what's the endgame strategy there?

ninja'd

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Feb 06, 2021 11:01 pm GoO announced she was going to peek me before the end of day.

If I'm Maf, why is she still alive? Why would I let her live?

Eh, if she is lying, she is outing herself here pretty bad. I don't see any reason for her to do that as mafia.

Vote: Falcon

Woo! So sorry everyone! I totally did not realize this game started. I am here now, but it is going to take me some time to catch up. Looks like I can only post once right now which... suits me great since I need to spend time reading rather than posting.

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