The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:20 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:15 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:14 am This is an isolated wolf having a partner show up and getting a boost of energy because of possibly threadcontrol
that's a pretty good point except for that it's entirely wrong and you should get gud
that's a pretty good point except for that it's entirely wrong and you should get gud

Lol, is that the same face you made in CindyKate when I did this?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:18 am @Seanzie let's vote Alison today...

Yeah, sure.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:15 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:14 am This is an isolated wolf having a partner show up and getting a boost of energy because of possibly threadcontrol
that's a pretty good point except for that it's entirely wrong and you should get gud

that's a pretty good point except for that it's entirely wrong and you should get gud

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:14 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:11 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:07 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:58 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:45 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:41 am
I am stating my thoughts and casing my top scumread.

Fext wasn't obvious town because everything that came out of his mouth was complete horseshit that I spent much of my iso dismantling. His inexperience made me lean even more towards him being scum because newbie scum struggle to piece together coherent thoughts and as a result they end up having thought processes that don't make sense in perspective. I struggle to see how anyone could call Fext obvious town.
1. Who was your original post aimed at? This is a fair question, I relly don't know, but you use the word "you" a lot, so I need to know who "you" is to fairly judge the post.

2. Can you point to a single newbie scum being able to post as much as Fext has?
1. The word "you" here refers to NAA, re: the stuff about "you said in basic mafia", etc., because I was responding to his post. The post in general is directed at the rest of the thread, because they are who I wish to convince to vote NAA.

2. Off the top of my head, Alexa was coming out strong and spam posting threads from her very first game of forum mafia. At any rate I wouldn't clear someone for volume posting when the content of their posts are really bad.
So like... Fext is at Champs finalist level...

funny thing, I remember when you found out in Spank! that Jo was reasonably new. That pretty strongly affected your read. Why didn't it affect your read here?
Do you think posting a lot is what makes you a Champs finalist?

GGhana is not a newbie exactly but they are a notoriously polarized scum player. They top posted in Hydra G3. The point I am making is that it is absurd to assume that anyone who is newbie scum can't go above a certain number of posts. I think it's reasonable to assume they can't make posts above a certain quality, or to consistently provide good content. This is why I townread Jo in Spank! - she was making townie enough posts that I was willing to just clear her for them because I don't think a newbie scum could fake those posts. At no point did I say "Jo must be town because she is posting too many times". I said "Jo must be town because her posts are good". Fext's posts weren't good. Fext's posts were shit.
Weird thing is though... you didn't change your stance on Fext when you learned they were new like you did Jo. You have a clear uncertain period about you when you leanred Jo was new... none of that appears here.

The postcount thing is all just a distraction to see how your Fext progression went... and guess what? you didn't have one.
Do you want me to link you games where I push someone, they say "I am new" and I don't give a fuck and continue pushing them anyway? Because I can.

You have your head up your own ass if you genuinely believe I care about someone being new or not new when all their posts are garbage. I'm just going to bury them because having bad posts = wolf regardless of if it's a new wolf or an experienced wolf.

Also Fext disclosed he was new before my case on him... so why would you expect my case to have a period of uncertainty as I absorb the knowledge that he is new?

Don't see the harm. No promise I'll look, but sure gimme those games.

They weren't garbage though... were they? Like Fext flipped town if you didn't check. You were wrong. Fext is commonly townread by wolves IME. He is not perfect, but garbage? nah. Not at all. You wolfy wolfy wolfy and being rude.

pretty sure I told the thread that, not Fext

This is an isolated wolf having a partner show up and getting a boost of energy because of possibly threadcontrol

I'd like to point out how Mac changed after Alison showed up

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:09 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:17 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game
found Lime Coke's partner, game is over

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:17 pm Oh wow Fext has a million votes lol.

Well I guess that's good.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:18 pm and LC isn't one of them lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:51 pm Lime Coke if you're town omgussing me because I am calling you and fext outed based on nothing is a pretty bad way to convince me of such
@Seanzie Here are Mac's posts where he strongly pushes LC/Fext as a team before moving to a townread of Fext.

Yes... four posts... and then?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:07 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:58 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:45 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:41 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am Fext was not obvious town. He was an incredibly scummy player with a very plausible scumslip theory hanging around his neck. It's been clear, both in this game and in past games, that you don't have a ton of respect for my town play, to the point that you said in basic mafia you'd be willing to completely contravene my entire legacy if I flipped town just out of spite. I could believe you would policy Mac for pushing a D1 misexe, I don't believe that you would adopt the same policy on me.
1. Who is this post aimed at?

2. Why wasn't Fext obvious town, outside of the scumslip? Did his inexperience factor into anything for you?
I am stating my thoughts and casing my top scumread.

Fext wasn't obvious town because everything that came out of his mouth was complete horseshit that I spent much of my iso dismantling. His inexperience made me lean even more towards him being scum because newbie scum struggle to piece together coherent thoughts and as a result they end up having thought processes that don't make sense in perspective. I struggle to see how anyone could call Fext obvious town.
1. Who was your original post aimed at? This is a fair question, I relly don't know, but you use the word "you" a lot, so I need to know who "you" is to fairly judge the post.

2. Can you point to a single newbie scum being able to post as much as Fext has?
1. The word "you" here refers to NAA, re: the stuff about "you said in basic mafia", etc., because I was responding to his post. The post in general is directed at the rest of the thread, because they are who I wish to convince to vote NAA.

2. Off the top of my head, Alexa was coming out strong and spam posting threads from her very first game of forum mafia. At any rate I wouldn't clear someone for volume posting when the content of their posts are really bad.
So like... Fext is at Champs finalist level...

funny thing, I remember when you found out in Spank! that Jo was reasonably new. That pretty strongly affected your read. Why didn't it affect your read here?
Do you think posting a lot is what makes you a Champs finalist?

GGhana is not a newbie exactly but they are a notoriously polarized scum player. They top posted in Hydra G3. The point I am making is that it is absurd to assume that anyone who is newbie scum can't go above a certain number of posts. I think it's reasonable to assume they can't make posts above a certain quality, or to consistently provide good content. This is why I townread Jo in Spank! - she was making townie enough posts that I was willing to just clear her for them because I don't think a newbie scum could fake those posts. At no point did I say "Jo must be town because she is posting too many times". I said "Jo must be town because her posts are good". Fext's posts weren't good. Fext's posts were shit.

Weird thing is though... you didn't change your stance on Fext when you learned they were new like you did Jo. You have a clear uncertain period about you when you leanred Jo was new... none of that appears here.

The postcount thing is all just a distraction to see how your Fext progression went... and guess what? you didn't have one.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:07 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:06 am Watching Alison and Mac talk about each other while they both have a go at Seanzie....

mmm yes alison and macdougall, noted for our inability to wolf together

viewtopic.php?t=1904 < a game we wolfed together and won

Lolz mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:05 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:58 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:50 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:45 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:38 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 am Seanzie why are you not more suspicious of Fext townreaders having TMI given that you thought Fext was outed D1?
My whole case around Mac is based on Mac's Fext-townready posts being TMI? Plz
I didn't realize it was. The only person I saw bring up that point was NAA.

I think Mac as mafia would most likely have either silently sheeped the wagon and redirected all the blame to me the following day or townread Fext, voted some vanity wagon and peaced out if that was his strategy. I thought his townread on Fext was weird, but he wasn't using it to grab cred or anything and he has a track record of sheeping me even on people he townreads especially D1. I don't think it's particularly suspicious. I would policy him in F5/F3 if it comes to that, but I think NAA is basically outed from being in the exact position scum would want to be in and I don't think he's likely wolves with Mac.
Plz quote my case on Mac and tell me why I'm wrong. Mac's post connecting LC to Fext made it so he couldn't silently sheep as I personally pivoted from LC to Fext due to what I incorrectly saw as Fext's slipping. Why is it so weird to think that Mac didn't expect me to bite so hard, but felt stuck to his read, and was surprised when even after Fext was being kinda towny, Mac just stayed to elim a town?

Also, plz do it in a way that does not assume your own TMI on yourself. Like, I can accept that you might townread Mac because of your own alignment, but honestly, you/Mac is a super real world for me, so if it is false, I need arguments that work that don't rely on your own TMI.
In that world why doesn't Mac just go "yeah, I think Fext is scum too, I agree with Seanzie and Alison", and then when Fext flips town, points fingers at you and says you did it?

Or why doesn't he just go "yeah Fext is my townread", but get off and don't do much to defend him so Alison + Seanzie push the wagon through anyway?
dont mind me just here to throw

Don't mind me just here to make pretend partner interactions

@MacDougall give a real read on me. Am I town or scum?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:03 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:53 am @Alison

What is your read of me right now?

@MacDougall

Same question?
I think you're probably town.

I'm obviously town.

You aren't.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 1:00 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:52 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:47 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:42 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:34 am Fext/LC were T/T with some of the tunneliest/loudest players on the game pushing them. We know this for a fact.

Mafia doesn't sit there and join in the tunnel. Mafia just drops a townread on Fext that's weak enough it won't change the outcome of the day, sit on the counterwagon, and roll in free towncred then gets town to sleepwalk on the players pushing Fext for being wrong once. If I die the game is almost certainly lost and all mafia has to do is allow town to murder each other.

This is exactly how NAA has been playing, and he's jumped straight to the "kill everyone on Fext's wagon because they're just such good players they can never be wrong on a single player ever" line the moment D2 opens.
"some of the tunneliest/loudest players on the game pushing them"???????? there is exactly one person that fits that description. Use my name please. Do not pretend like this was an effort of the group. I own up to yesterday, and I know I am obvtown because of it, granted for all the wrong reasons, but meh, still.

How about the mafia that were scumreading Fext before the tunneliest/loudest player started strongly strongly pushing for Fext's elim? Do they backtrack or go along with it?
Me. You. Mac.

Three loud, tunnelly players. All pushing Fext, until the point Mac recanted the scumread.

As I pointed out earlier, I think they either backtrack completely and flip to weakly shielding Fext for cred (which is pretty much what I think NAA is doing here), or they go along with it and blame a scapegoat. I don't think they do what Mac did, which is adopt some weird middle ground stance where they townread someone they want dead but don't gain any towncred for it.
Oh wolfy wolfy Alison...

1. Mac did not tunnel Fext, Mac tried so soooo soooooo hard to back off.

2. In what world am I supposed to believe the proud Alison describes herself as tunnelly unless she feels caught?

nah nah nah nah nah nah nah

sorry nah
1. He tunnelled Fext at the start before he backed off.

2. I have repeatedly described myself as tunnelly. It doesn't offend my sense of pride because I don't think it's a bad trait at all.

Here is a recent example:

1. quote the posts where he tunneled Fext. He didn't push Fext for crap.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:58 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:50 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:45 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:38 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 am Seanzie why are you not more suspicious of Fext townreaders having TMI given that you thought Fext was outed D1?
My whole case around Mac is based on Mac's Fext-townready posts being TMI? Plz
I didn't realize it was. The only person I saw bring up that point was NAA.

I think Mac as mafia would most likely have either silently sheeped the wagon and redirected all the blame to me the following day or townread Fext, voted some vanity wagon and peaced out if that was his strategy. I thought his townread on Fext was weird, but he wasn't using it to grab cred or anything and he has a track record of sheeping me even on people he townreads especially D1. I don't think it's particularly suspicious. I would policy him in F5/F3 if it comes to that, but I think NAA is basically outed from being in the exact position scum would want to be in and I don't think he's likely wolves with Mac.
Plz quote my case on Mac and tell me why I'm wrong. Mac's post connecting LC to Fext made it so he couldn't silently sheep as I personally pivoted from LC to Fext due to what I incorrectly saw as Fext's slipping. Why is it so weird to think that Mac didn't expect me to bite so hard, but felt stuck to his read, and was surprised when even after Fext was being kinda towny, Mac just stayed to elim a town?

Also, plz do it in a way that does not assume your own TMI on yourself. Like, I can accept that you might townread Mac because of your own alignment, but honestly, you/Mac is a super real world for me, so if it is false, I need arguments that work that don't rely on your own TMI.
In that world why doesn't Mac just go "yeah, I think Fext is scum too, I agree with Seanzie and Alison", and then when Fext flips town, points fingers at you and says you did it?

Or why doesn't he just go "yeah Fext is my townread", but get off and don't do much to defend him so Alison + Seanzie push the wagon through anyway?

I think he thought I'd be wayyyyy less obvtown than I am. Like sorry, but I was wrong in the way that makes me clear town. Y'all could not have necessarily seen that coming.

How is it not almost always a good idea to let a tunnelly town cause another town to flip? Like... honestly 9/10 times that would have worked, but it is clear I went too hard.

Also Mac legit did try a flacid attempt to push me today. Did you read that, or did you skip it because it was a post by a partner?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:57 am still not scumreading Alison

where is this mystical outed wolf?

Really? You really don't see why her saying you tunnelled Fext is suspicious?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:45 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:41 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am Fext was not obvious town. He was an incredibly scummy player with a very plausible scumslip theory hanging around his neck. It's been clear, both in this game and in past games, that you don't have a ton of respect for my town play, to the point that you said in basic mafia you'd be willing to completely contravene my entire legacy if I flipped town just out of spite. I could believe you would policy Mac for pushing a D1 misexe, I don't believe that you would adopt the same policy on me.
1. Who is this post aimed at?

2. Why wasn't Fext obvious town, outside of the scumslip? Did his inexperience factor into anything for you?
I am stating my thoughts and casing my top scumread.

Fext wasn't obvious town because everything that came out of his mouth was complete horseshit that I spent much of my iso dismantling. His inexperience made me lean even more towards him being scum because newbie scum struggle to piece together coherent thoughts and as a result they end up having thought processes that don't make sense in perspective. I struggle to see how anyone could call Fext obvious town.
1. Who was your original post aimed at? This is a fair question, I relly don't know, but you use the word "you" a lot, so I need to know who "you" is to fairly judge the post.

2. Can you point to a single newbie scum being able to post as much as Fext has?
1. The word "you" here refers to NAA, re: the stuff about "you said in basic mafia", etc., because I was responding to his post. The post in general is directed at the rest of the thread, because they are who I wish to convince to vote NAA.

2. Off the top of my head, Alexa was coming out strong and spam posting threads from her very first game of forum mafia. At any rate I wouldn't clear someone for volume posting when the content of their posts are really bad.

So like... Fext is at Champs finalist level...

funny thing, I remember when you found out in Spank! that Jo was reasonably new. That pretty strongly affected your read. Why didn't it affect your read here?

@Alison

What is your read of me right now?

@MacDougall

Same question?

Mac/Alison feel like they tag-teamed in and out, and yeah... it ain't working....

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:47 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:42 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:34 am Fext/LC were T/T with some of the tunneliest/loudest players on the game pushing them. We know this for a fact.

Mafia doesn't sit there and join in the tunnel. Mafia just drops a townread on Fext that's weak enough it won't change the outcome of the day, sit on the counterwagon, and roll in free towncred then gets town to sleepwalk on the players pushing Fext for being wrong once. If I die the game is almost certainly lost and all mafia has to do is allow town to murder each other.

This is exactly how NAA has been playing, and he's jumped straight to the "kill everyone on Fext's wagon because they're just such good players they can never be wrong on a single player ever" line the moment D2 opens.
"some of the tunneliest/loudest players on the game pushing them"???????? there is exactly one person that fits that description. Use my name please. Do not pretend like this was an effort of the group. I own up to yesterday, and I know I am obvtown because of it, granted for all the wrong reasons, but meh, still.

How about the mafia that were scumreading Fext before the tunneliest/loudest player started strongly strongly pushing for Fext's elim? Do they backtrack or go along with it?
Me. You. Mac.

Three loud, tunnelly players. All pushing Fext, until the point Mac recanted the scumread.

As I pointed out earlier, I think they either backtrack completely and flip to weakly shielding Fext for cred (which is pretty much what I think NAA is doing here), or they go along with it and blame a scapegoat. I don't think they do what Mac did, which is adopt some weird middle ground stance where they townread someone they want dead but don't gain any towncred for it.

Oh wolfy wolfy Alison...

1. Mac did not tunnel Fext, Mac tried so soooo soooooo hard to back off.

2. In what world am I supposed to believe the proud Alison describes herself as tunnelly unless she feels caught?

nah nah nah nah nah nah nah

sorry nah

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:45 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:38 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 am Seanzie why are you not more suspicious of Fext townreaders having TMI given that you thought Fext was outed D1?
My whole case around Mac is based on Mac's Fext-townready posts being TMI? Plz
I didn't realize it was. The only person I saw bring up that point was NAA.

I think Mac as mafia would most likely have either silently sheeped the wagon and redirected all the blame to me the following day or townread Fext, voted some vanity wagon and peaced out if that was his strategy. I thought his townread on Fext was weird, but he wasn't using it to grab cred or anything and he has a track record of sheeping me even on people he townreads especially D1. I don't think it's particularly suspicious. I would policy him in F5/F3 if it comes to that, but I think NAA is basically outed from being in the exact position scum would want to be in and I don't think he's likely wolves with Mac.

Plz quote my case on Mac and tell me why I'm wrong. Mac's post connecting LC to Fext made it so he couldn't silently sheep as I personally pivoted from LC to Fext due to what I incorrectly saw as Fext's slipping. Why is it so weird to think that Mac didn't expect me to bite so hard, but felt stuck to his read, and was surprised when even after Fext was being kinda towny, Mac just stayed to elim a town?

Also, plz do it in a way that does not assume your own TMI on yourself. Like, I can accept that you might townread Mac because of your own alignment, but honestly, you/Mac is a super real world for me, so if it is false, I need arguments that work that don't rely on your own TMI.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:41 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am Fext was not obvious town. He was an incredibly scummy player with a very plausible scumslip theory hanging around his neck. It's been clear, both in this game and in past games, that you don't have a ton of respect for my town play, to the point that you said in basic mafia you'd be willing to completely contravene my entire legacy if I flipped town just out of spite. I could believe you would policy Mac for pushing a D1 misexe, I don't believe that you would adopt the same policy on me.
1. Who is this post aimed at?

2. Why wasn't Fext obvious town, outside of the scumslip? Did his inexperience factor into anything for you?
I am stating my thoughts and casing my top scumread.

Fext wasn't obvious town because everything that came out of his mouth was complete horseshit that I spent much of my iso dismantling. His inexperience made me lean even more towards him being scum because newbie scum struggle to piece together coherent thoughts and as a result they end up having thought processes that don't make sense in perspective. I struggle to see how anyone could call Fext obvious town.

1. Who was your original post aimed at? This is a fair question, I relly don't know, but you use the word "you" a lot, so I need to know who "you" is to fairly judge the post.

2. Can you point to a single newbie scum being able to post as much as Fext has?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:34 am Fext/LC were T/T with some of the tunneliest/loudest players on the game pushing them. We know this for a fact.

Mafia doesn't sit there and join in the tunnel. Mafia just drops a townread on Fext that's weak enough it won't change the outcome of the day, sit on the counterwagon, and roll in free towncred then gets town to sleepwalk on the players pushing Fext for being wrong once. If I die the game is almost certainly lost and all mafia has to do is allow town to murder each other.

This is exactly how NAA has been playing, and he's jumped straight to the "kill everyone on Fext's wagon because they're just such good players they can never be wrong on a single player ever" line the moment D2 opens.

"some of the tunneliest/loudest players on the game pushing them"???????? there is exactly one person that fits that description. Use my name please. Do not pretend like this was an effort of the group. I own up to yesterday, and I know I am obvtown because of it, granted for all the wrong reasons, but meh, still.

How about the mafia that were scumreading Fext before the tunneliest/loudest player started strongly strongly pushing for Fext's elim? Do they backtrack or go along with it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am you asked one question and you literally disqualified the only logical argument I can make against yours for an arbitrary reason?

i have no other answer for you.
Wait, wtf, what is "arbitrary" about the fact that you had done the same shit? That is not arbitrary at all.
okay now you're just shifting the goalposts... you disqualifying my ability to make the only rational and logical argument, one so obvious that it was immediately apparent to you is completely unnecessary

I can't shift the goalposts until after you've kicked the football.

You made a read on Creature that applies just as well to you from an outside perspective. It is a fair question to ask what from my POV should I use to distinguish you from Creature given that read.

Your answer to this question is not great thus far TBH...

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:37 am Seanzie why are you not more suspicious of Fext townreaders having TMI given that you thought Fext was outed D1?

My whole case around Mac is based on Mac's Fext-townready posts being TMI? Plz

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am Fext was not obvious town. He was an incredibly scummy player with a very plausible scumslip theory hanging around his neck. It's been clear, both in this game and in past games, that you don't have a ton of respect for my town play, to the point that you said in basic mafia you'd be willing to completely contravene my entire legacy if I flipped town just out of spite. I could believe you would policy Mac for pushing a D1 misexe, I don't believe that you would adopt the same policy on me.

1. Who is this post aimed at?

2. Why wasn't Fext obvious town, outside of the scumslip? Did his inexperience factor into anything for you?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:24 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:55 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:49 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:43 pm Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.
If you believe that you made the correct play, then you don't need to ask the question that you did coming into the thread:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:20 pm Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

How about answering the question for a change... that'd be quite helpful to me.
I don't know what there is left to say... An obv town player was axed on D1 of a game that has 2 miss-elims. The logic was that he was mafia with a polarized player that had one good game in which people didn't force anything alignment indicative out of him.
[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine

You've seen NAA put all his eggs in one basket before, right?

Haven't read the Alison posts yet, but man yeah, I feel good about Mac telling me I'm conf biased.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:33 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am you asked one question and you literally disqualified the only logical argument I can make against yours for an arbitrary reason?

i have no other answer for you.
Wait, wtf, what is "arbitrary" about the fact that you had done the same shit? That is not arbitrary at all.

Yours is honestly worse because I had to beg Creature to vote Fext. You just went along with it even though clearly you were townreading them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am you asked one question and you literally disqualified the only logical argument I can make against yours for an arbitrary reason?

i have no other answer for you.

Wait, wtf, what is "arbitrary" about the fact that you had done the same shit? That is not arbitrary at all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:21 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:17 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:06 amSpiderverse
I will say that while your openwolfing was a boon for your team, if you didn't have a fakeclaim that town didn't know you had... nah.
wolfing isn't about convincing everyone you're town dude lol

I mean, fair. Given the cirumstances you did play your specific hand to the best of your knowledge. I'm just a little salty about that game tbh.

"mac is scum"

"Seanzie hasn't been paying attention to my claim and thus fits with wolves"

seanzie gets shot

Seanzie literally had the ability to take the game into his hands at that point because of his vote manipulation mechanics

----- but at the end of the day Seanzie earned his loss much much earlier.... Seanzie tried to vote manipulate the Made vs Michelle wagons to make Made go over, and it didn't go through in time ----

Seanzie still salty

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:28 am you asked one question and you literally disqualified the only logical argument I can make against yours for an arbitrary reason?

i have no other answer for you.

Plz just answer the question.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:09 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:05 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:04 am Alison has articulated valid reasons to do things she has. Creature has ... not.
The difference?

Expectations.
I just towned with Creature and he was near top town in content and solving and it was in a mash. Your expectations of him are too low.

What game?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:43 pm

We have one misyeet, so regardless of if I'mma confbias you or not, you have the ability to positively affect town's chances.
And I intend to do so.

Right now there is little to move me from feeling like Creature is mafia. NAA just insisting Alison is outed and lumping me in does nothing to move me towards pushing Alison. I want Alison to make some content, and I would also like Falcon to make some more content. Wilgy posting more cowboy takes would also be welcome.
Can you go through the creature take? I have no thoughts or feelings there, so I am an open book.
Creature day 1 did nothing, spewed the Fext lynch as bad and then voted there anyway. Is plausible mafia in Alison w or t worlds and today did nothing but omgus and hard side with the zeigeist.
I have like 10 questions, but first off, who is the zeigeist, and what does that word mean down under?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:53 pm the zeigeist ie. the hivemind ie. the global sentiment ie. "lol I can just omgus mac and this is fine"
Hmm, okay. yeah, I see it.

D1 while I wouldn't say you did nothing, I would say you spewed the Fext elim as bad. What differs between you and Creature here, aside from your TMI on yourself?
why do I need an aside here?

What does this mean? Can you please answer the question I asked?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:06 amSpiderverse

I will say that while your openwolfing was a boon for your team, if you didn't have a fakeclaim that town didn't know you had... nah.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:13 am From my perspective even if Alison is mafia, it's still probably just Creature.

What is your take on Alison?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:41 pm The thing about you guys is that you're the biggest confbias nerds in all of mafia and both have an absolute passion for big game killing MacDougall that goes from game to game to game so while I think you're probably both town for playing this way you're also preparing to throw the game based on your own personal biases and predilection to killing me.

So like, don't do that unless you want to be mad gamethrowing noobs.
We have one misyeet, so regardless of if I'mma confbias you or not, you have the ability to positively affect town's chances.
And I intend to do so.

Right now there is little to move me from feeling like Creature is mafia. NAA just insisting Alison is outed and lumping me in does nothing to move me towards pushing Alison. I want Alison to make some content, and I would also like Falcon to make some more content. Wilgy posting more cowboy takes would also be welcome.
Can you go through the creature take? I have no thoughts or feelings there, so I am an open book.
Creature day 1 did nothing, spewed the Fext lynch as bad and then voted there anyway. Is plausible mafia in Alison w or t worlds and today did nothing but omgus and hard side with the zeigeist.
I have like 10 questions, but first off, who is the zeigeist, and what does that word mean down under?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:53 pm the zeigeist ie. the hivemind ie. the global sentiment ie. "lol I can just omgus mac and this is fine"

Hmm, okay. yeah, I see it.

D1 while I wouldn't say you did nothing, I would say you spewed the Fext elim as bad. What differs between you and Creature here, aside from your TMI on yourself?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:48 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:41 pm The thing about you guys is that you're the biggest confbias nerds in all of mafia and both have an absolute passion for big game killing MacDougall that goes from game to game to game so while I think you're probably both town for playing this way you're also preparing to throw the game based on your own personal biases and predilection to killing me.

So like, don't do that unless you want to be mad gamethrowing noobs.
We have one misyeet, so regardless of if I'mma confbias you or not, you have the ability to positively affect town's chances.
And I intend to do so.

Right now there is little to move me from feeling like Creature is mafia. NAA just insisting Alison is outed and lumping me in does nothing to move me towards pushing Alison. I want Alison to make some content, and I would also like Falcon to make some more content. Wilgy posting more cowboy takes would also be welcome.
Can you go through the creature take? I have no thoughts or feelings there, so I am an open book.
Creature day 1 did nothing, spewed the Fext lynch as bad and then voted there anyway. Is plausible mafia in Alison w or t worlds and today did nothing but omgus and hard side with the zeigeist.

I have like 10 questions, but first off, who is the zeigeist, and what does that word mean down under?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:45 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:41 pm The thing about you guys is that you're the biggest confbias nerds in all of mafia and both have an absolute passion for big game killing MacDougall that goes from game to game to game so while I think you're probably both town for playing this way you're also preparing to throw the game based on your own personal biases and predilection to killing me.

So like, don't do that unless you want to be mad gamethrowing noobs.
We have one misyeet, so regardless of if I'mma confbias you or not, you have the ability to positively affect town's chances.
And I intend to do so.

Right now there is little to move me from feeling like Creature is mafia. NAA just insisting Alison is outed and lumping me in does nothing to move me towards pushing Alison. I want Alison to make some content, and I would also like Falcon to make some more content. Wilgy posting more cowboy takes would also be welcome.

Can you go through the creature take? I have no thoughts or feelings there, so I am an open book.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:42 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:39 pm I think you might be on to something NAA
I will have you know this post in particular caused my eyes to cramp up.

I know, agenda everywhere. I kinda realized it after I posted it, but it was like "meh". I truly think he might be, and I am obvtown, so I can do agenda-y things like this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:41 pm The thing about you guys is that you're the biggest confbias nerds in all of mafia and both have an absolute passion for big game killing MacDougall that goes from game to game to game so while I think you're probably both town for playing this way you're also preparing to throw the game based on your own personal biases and predilection to killing me.

So like, don't do that unless you want to be mad gamethrowing noobs.

We have one misyeet, so regardless of if I'mma confbias you or not, you have the ability to positively affect town's chances.

I think you might be on to something NAA

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:32 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:28 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:18 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:17 pm

You're both making me think Creature is town.
I haven't said a single thing about Creature and legit have like no thoughts on the slot as of yet, but sure? lump me in there.
It's more about you than Creature tbh.
Ah, yes that makes sense. You do you NAA, you do you.
Why are you working so hard to discredit me when from your perspective I almost have to be right?
So it took me a while to get there, but I think I misinterpreted you.

I thought your post "It's mroe about you than Creature tbh." was you saying that you scumread me, but it isn't, is it?
I was waffling on you, then I realized that I don't care about this game if Alison, creature, mac are town.

Okay, this confuses me again... I thought you were saying maybe that you thought Creature was town because of my case on Mac swaying you into thinking Mac was scum (so like Mac/Alison or something, implying creature town), but now it seems like you were waffling-scumreading me in that post, and that doesn't make sense with your "when from your perspective I almost have to be right" thing...

But whatever.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:26 pm because the wolves aren't getting pushed?
That isn't my crazy bad theory.

But it does more-or-less lock you into townreading me because I am definitely the one pushing the thread the most right meow.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:26 pm because the wolves aren't getting pushed?

That isn't my crazy bad theory.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:25 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:18 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 pm

Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?
Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.
You're both making me think Creature is town.
I haven't said a single thing about Creature and legit have like no thoughts on the slot as of yet, but sure? lump me in there.
It's more about you than Creature tbh.
Ah, yes that makes sense. You do you NAA, you do you.
Why are you working so hard to discredit me when from your perspective I almost have to be right?

So it took me a while to get there, but I think I misinterpreted you.

I thought your post "It's mroe about you than Creature tbh." was you saying that you scumread me, but it isn't, is it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:24 pmgo on

Why do you think it is so quiet?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:36 pm nah i just wanna be carried

I have a theory, but it is a bad one.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:27 pm i dont wanna

You can forfeit?

*pokes thread with a stick*

Do something!

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:59 pm Hoping Alison flips wolf or we just lost

We get two mischops, so meh possibly not.

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