The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:21 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:15 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 5:11 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:52 pm Jack = W is probably the strongest D1 wolf I’ve had in over 100 games. T!Jack will generally find a way to make himself useful very early and be obvtown.

After that I am less sure, I’d suspect 2.5 in this group that is blatantly wolfsiding:
Wilgy
Neon (incorporating MacDougall read here)
Falcon
Seanzie
Porscha (incorporating tutuu read)

Occasionally 1 in Creature/Rondo/Alison/SPF/Bereft and even lower frequency in Mac/tutuuu (but something like 1 in 300)

I'm literally leading a yeet on a wolf right now. How much more useful do you expect me to be?

Jack: you and I both know, so just remember when we play another game for higher stakes, bub.

Your push on me is so ill advised that you've become a bigger wagon than me even without me pushing you at all.

Everything you're complaining about me doing, you're doing. I'm not doing enough by just pushing Alison? You're not doing enough by just pushing me.

Only I'm pushing a wolf and you're pushing a townie. If you really are town and you really can't get over this, at least do something else useful so people stop thinking you're a wolf.

Bub you can’t even make a half-convincing case that you’re unaware of my alignment. I’m not the one trolling the thread with useless nonsense. I have plenty of other thoughts on other people in the game, and you don’t.

You are frustrating.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 11:02 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:45 am [VOTE: kate] aubergine

I'd join this wagon. I don't see Baudib going over here, and while I think they should be strongly scrutinized, I'm tempted to drop them for now.

I'mma vote Kate, then ISO Kate... because that's the correct order, right? [VOTE: Kate] aubergine

[VOTE: sean] aubergine

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:50 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:49 pm Alison, Creature, Rondo, Baudi, Wilgy



That's been the pretty consistent wagons thus far this RD. Baudi thinks these are spectacularly bad...despite SR Wilgy for sure, and certainly shading Rondo...that's 2/5 he should have no issue w/ flipping, yet he acts like we've got spectacularly bad wagons.

I don't see how a town thinks like this

Really, 2/4 wagons, cuz I'm sure he doesn't want his own flip.


Half the wagons are for players he's been shading or outright SR...I don't see that as a Town mindset at all

Like ...

... is this clarification.

How ... does baudib being themselves a wagon supposed to make the wagons mathematically look better from their perspective?

Id have a more creative way to express how utterly scandalized I feel about the egregiousness of this utter nonsense but in lieu you will just get dots.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:30 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 1:18 pm Almost certainly town

lucy (she/her)

Town

DrWilgy (he/him)
Seanzie (he/him or they/them)
Neon (she/her)
tutuu (any)

Townlean

Roxy (she/her)
falcon45ca (he/him)
Creature (I accidentally deleted your pronouns sorry)
fingersplints (she/her)
MacDougall (he/him)
Porscha (she/her)
sig (he/him)
Bereft (he/him)
staypositivefriend (she/her)


Scum lean
Kate (she/her)
RondoDimBuckle (Accidentally deleted your pronouns too sorry)

Mafia
Alison (she/her)
Baudib1 (he/him)
Jackofhearts2005 (he/him)

I... am now beginning to grasp just how disconnected I really am to this game. I'm not happy with this at all. I will tryhardwr. Very sorry town. Also sorry for delay between last post, I was transitioning into my lunch period.

Lucy is under 'ALMOST certain' because there's always the teeniest chance she lied about Oracle. But I doubt it. Ask for elaboration on other reads and I will try.

I think a few people in the town lean section of this I would move to a null section to be fully honest, but I felt like I couldn't have null reads after so much happened. But I would drop:

sig (he/him)
Bereft (he/him)
Creature (I accidentally deleted your pronouns sorry)
Porscha (she/her)

to a null read. I like to think people are town because hopeful thinking so maybe that's a part of it too.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:20 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:02 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:12 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

What are your reasons if I may?

You may not.

Joking!

1.Idr who argued it, but pointing out that wolf!Alison would definitely push slankers with agenda really resonated with me, coupled with other things that are reminiscent of scum!Alison (aggressive pushes that kinda seem to be more about decreasing thread morale than hunting, for example)

and

2. ties are fun, which is why I...
[VOTE: Baudib] aubergine

Normally I agree, but you’re aware ties are decided by mafia right?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:02 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 3:12 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

What are your reasons if I may?

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:58 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:46 pm Also from my limited games with rondo he seems to be playing within his civ meta right now so probably wouldn’t want to vote their today

Just read through once and I for now agree on this. This is almost identical to the way he opened the last game and he was civ. Unless of course, he's doing that to make us think that... anyway nothing about his gameplay pings me thus far.

Lots of pings in this thread for a cold day 1 from many people. I'll have to reread tomorrow for any deeper thoughts.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:53 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:39 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:05 am I agree with SPF that this is a super unexciting game so far. I am just gonna vote the easiest wolf to catch and try to break the game open with associatives.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:58 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed Jan 04, 2023 11:46 pm Also from my limited games with rondo he seems to be playing within his civ meta right now so probably wouldn’t want to vote their today

Just read through once and I for now agree on this. This is almost identical to the way he opened the last game and he was civ. Unless of course, he's doing that to make us think that... anyway nothing about his gameplay pings me thus far.

Lots of pings in this thread for a cold day 1 from many people. I'll have to reread tomorrow for any deeper thoughts.

Explain to me what's obvscum about this post

She agrees with Rondo meta, immediately undermines her own view, then promises a future reread (a reread? Thread was literally 2 pages) that has to happen before she gives any deeper thoughts. It's a waffly nothingburger of a post.

It was not deep like I said, I had a long day and wanted to do a quick read through. I'm not used to day 1s with this much posting. Our games used to start off slow. While reading the only thing that popped out to me was that Rondo did the same thing in 2 games in a row, which I noted. I have 1 game with him before this game, so I can't be positive that is AI I wanted to reread it and see what others thought.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:45 am

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:05 am I agree with SPF that this is a super unexciting game so far. I am just gonna vote the easiest wolf to catch and try to break the game open with associatives.

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

??? I think I've made 2 posts. Why are you looking at me?

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:47 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:42 am Alright, I'm caught up now.

Town are Baudib, Bereft, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Porscha, Rondo, SPF, Tutuu

Wolves in Lucy, Seanzie, Creature

What about me?

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:24 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:45 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:42 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:40 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:40 pm I think Roxy is town. They're being too deliberately provocative.

it's clearly their natural personality and won't change regardless of their alignment

that's like townreading mac for being loud or me for being direct

You do not even know me but your are clearly wrong. Buh-bye.

Yeah, I'm sure you immediately become polite and soft-spoken when you see the red role PM hit your inbox.

You couldn't be more wrong about that. And I absolutely know more about her than you do.

How's that? No waffle

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:45 am [VOTE: kate] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:51 am My tinfoil is that Jack and Alison are w/w.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:09 pm Here's the patented Mac rub.

A lot of people are less playing mafia with a town process and more throwing out thought bubbles and have perspectives that make my lip curl up and make me wish they were playing a different mafia game I'm not in. I begrudge nobody for suspecting or hating the play of these folks.

Wilgy
Jack
Neon
Tutuu
Seanzie
Falcon
Creature

Then there are people who are just like ... not doing much of anything and aren't really redeemable but for whatever reason it seems like there's a moratorium on suspecting them.

Roxy
Finger
Kate

Then there are some players who aren't doing much but they kinda town.

Bereft
Porscha
Dennis

And then there's everyone else. We shall call them "folks who appear to be playing a game of mafia and not a game of scrabble". I like all of them and if you are voting them ur a nerd.

If your name is in the top group and you are town please have a strong coffee, freshly evaluate the game and make some posts that are designed purposefully to be read and understood by a belligerent old townie person so I can stop hating your existence.

Thanks.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:09 pm Here's the patented Mac rub.

A lot of people are less playing mafia with a town process and more throwing out thought bubbles and have perspectives that make my lip curl up and make me wish they were playing a different mafia game I'm not in. I begrudge nobody for suspecting or hating the play of these folks.

Wilgy
Jack
Neon
Tutuu
Seanzie
Falcon
Creature

Then there are people who are just like ... not doing much of anything and aren't really redeemable but for whatever reason it seems like there's a moratorium on suspecting them.

Roxy
Finger
Kate

Then there are some players who aren't doing much but they kinda town.

Bereft
Porscha
Dennis

And then there's everyone else. We shall call them "folks who appear to be playing a game of mafia and not a game of scrabble". I like all of them and if you are voting them ur a nerd.

If your name is in the top group and you are town please have a strong coffee, freshly evaluate the game and make some posts that are designed purposefully to be read and understood by a belligerent old townie person so I can stop hating your existence.

Thanks.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:12 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:51 pm I have decided I will be leaving my vote ok Creature for all of day 1.

Why all the LHF?

You believe Creature to be LHF?

What LHF have I pushed?

This is a weird thought. An accusation I am not guilty of in the slightest. Quite a bit of that going around. Would prefer my mafia games to be kept fact based as much as possible tbh.

Yes, creature is routinely misyeeted.

Creature and Falcon.

This interaction makes me wish I was lobotomised.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:51 pm I have decided I will be leaving my vote ok Creature for all of day 1.

Why all the LHF?

You believe Creature to be LHF?

What LHF have I pushed?

This is a weird thought. An accusation I am not guilty of in the slightest. Quite a bit of that going around. Would prefer my mafia games to be kept fact based as much as possible tbh.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:51 pm I have decided I will be leaving my vote ok Creature for all of day 1.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:52 pm here's where i'm at rn. it's a bit more hedgy than i'd like but meh

if kate is mafia then alison is probably town because i dont think that the way kate reacted to alison’s push on her felt like W/W interaction. the same applies for roxy as well but i currently perceive kate as having a slightly higher chance of being mafia than roxy. as for alison herself, i dunno. i understand that some of her arguments are easy to perceive in bad faith (like the way she poked at roxy earlier in a way where it did kind of feel like she was trying to ~dunk~ on her more than anything), but i’ve also played enough with alison to know that this style of engagement isn’t alignment indicative

so in the absence of reasons to scumread alison, and because i think alison is unaligned with 2 other ppl who are kinda in my POE, i’m at the very least not willing to vote for alison today

i like that baub felt like he had kind of positioned himself to be able to push on seanzie but then ended up backing off of him anyway. i also think his push on jack has felt like it came fro ma place of conviction. i don’t know how to read baub at all but i think he’s fine s ofar

i thought the way that bereft pushed on me while revealing that he was secretly repping a townread on me while doing so was towny. i thought the way it felt like he was projecting his view of the game (ie: “i dont find the game boring but spf finds the game boring so t herefore spf be mafia) was towny too. i townlean him

i think that creature replied decently to my concerns about him, but i do still find it difficult to shake the feeling that he is being rather careless with the way he is posting reads and acting overly confident and haughty in a way that is uncharacteristic from pretty much every game ive seen for him

i think it bothers me for a few reasons:

-his focus is all off. creature has obsessed over reading mac and me correctly in every game iver played with him but here he is pushing more on the LHF and not really engaging with either of us much at all

-he just made a post that said: “This wagon is so bad we could prob nuke everyone in it” , and this is the exact type of attitude i struggle to believe that creature would have as town

honestly i m having trouble letting go of this read on creature because he keeps making posts that ping me even though i acknowledge i could be relying on meta too strongly or confirmation biasingm yself, but yeah

tbh i kind of like the fact that dennis went out of his way to limit himself for potential options to push (by saying he isnt willing to vote any of kate/neon/lucy/falcon very early into the game) but i’m kind of ambivalent about his posts beyond that

the readslist that wilgy posted on viewtopic.php?p=1002310#p1002310 didn’t really feel proportional to the solving he had done up to that point. i don’t really get anything alignment indicative out of the rest of the stuff he’s posted

i have no idea how to read falcon and im not going to pretend that i can

i think the way that fingersplints followed up my question about the alison/roxy dynamic was towny. i need to see her post more before i make up my mind on her alignment tho

i thought the way that jack dug in his heels and stubbornly continued to hard tunnel alison even after i questioned him/tried to talk him down felt like it came more from the perspective of a villager who felt convicted over their scumread and less from a wolf, since i think wolves are more likely to capitulate to pressure when they are being questioned on their reads like that, or at least say more hedgy stuff like “alison could be town but…”

tbh though i might be giving jack too much of a pass because at the end of the day i do think that his reasoning for scumread alison is kind of bad and im unconsciously operating under the assumption that he has a polarized wolfgame, which is kind of making me treat him with gids gloves. idk. i dont want this read to be as null at it is but there u go

i think that p#120 from kate was a wolfy post and came off a little bit self-conscious. i thought she responded to pressure somewhat awkwardly too. i don’t have any other thoughts

lucy is town

i think mac is probably town for reasons that ill explain if u really want me to

im mildly bothered by the way that neon has treated me in this game. she has consistently shaded me and implied that it was wolfy for me to think that the game was boring during the first few pages and has regularly downplayed townreads on me, but she has offered no commentary on my posts beyond that whatsoever and she seems barely interested in engaging with me/communicating with me at all

it reminds me of the sabi invitational game where she consistently treated me in bad faith when she was mafia and i let it slide because i thought she was tonally towny/she had conviction. she’s essentially treating me the same way here and i’ve had trouble getting past it. i don’t really care about her posts beyond that and ive barely paid attention to them

i think porsche is most likely town because i perceive her as being mildly polarized and the depth of analysis/thought that she has projected so far is proly town indicative for her, and because i think #760 in particular would be a difficult post for a wolf to write about themselves, particularly if they traditionally struggle with wolfing in general

holding off on my rondo read for reasons

i think it was mildly wolfy that roxy shifted her positioning toward kate a bit awkwardly when she was engaging with alison but i would be lying if i said if i thought that any of her posts were alignment indicative. i i get the sense that she’s the type of player that will project towniness better if she’s town if she is left alone and able to do her own thing, so im not really interested in adding to the pressure on her at the moment and i’d like to see how she plays when she isn’t being bombarded by the rest of the game

i thought it was towny that seanzie used his experience with my wolfgame as a foundation for his reado n me in this game. i’m kind of ambivalent about the rest of his posts but i proly wuldnt touch him today

sig had a towny opening but his vote on alison a little while ago was bad and felt opportunistic. i actually scumlean him now

one of my biggest concerns about tutu was actually that she was townreading me too easily and uncritically so the fact that she suddenly got super paranoid about me being mafia and revoked her townread felt towny. idk how to read he but i would also not touch her today for various reasons

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:48 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:47 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:47 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:45 pm FUCK, everyone on Wigly rn, mafia can hammer alison with a card, let's adjust wagons like that

No one has cards today. there hasnt been a night yet

Also no hammer

a card has a hammer
@Baudib1 back on creature for the moment

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:19 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:02 pm Kinda want to say Seanzie is my ride or die but I havent seen him as wolf so I will just say town for now

Tell me about baudib. Also, you should figure out your whole "oracle" thing.

What about Baudib do you want to know?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:02 pm Kinda want to say Seanzie is my ride or die but I havent seen him as wolf so I will just say town for now

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:58 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:55 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:04 pm Hot take: Alison/Roxy is w/w.

Do I believe it? I don't know. But it is a hot take.

I love how seanzie hates me yet has the same reads as me at the same points in thread

This is pretty clearly not a serious read and you trying to pretend he has the same worldview as you is blatant mischaracterization. And of all things for you to comment on, this would appear to be a superfluous post.

Seanzie likes to play fast and loose with his reads, he decided to post it so there is an off chance he actually thought of it and believed it needed to be put into thread. I have been having the same thought and I decided to point it out. Interesting way to sus me tho.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:29 pm Yes those posts are nonsense.

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:28 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:52 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:44 pm Alison/Mac/Bau woofie woofers

Neon is pocketing me, and I kinda like it.




It's not nearly as bright as you might expect

My pocket has 500 cable channels and free wifi

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:24 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:13 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:52 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:44 pm Alison/Mac/Bau woofie woofers

Neon is pocketing me, and I kinda like it.




It's not nearly as bright as you might expect

I think this is mafia Falcon.

*copy/paste one of the 17 posts I've made in previous games about why yeeting Falcon early in a game is a bad idea*

Even if you think this, I'd recommend spending your attention elsewhere for now.

I would say the same thing about Alison. Why is eliminating Falcon early worse than Alison without factoring alignment?

I don't really think we should elim Alison either, but if I did have to argue this, I'd say that even though Alison has recently been an often early yeet, that hasn't always been the case, and I think there are plenty of situations where wolf!Alison could go deep and endgame. Wolf!Falcon is not as good deep and will not endgame nearly as well as wolf!Alison.

I don't think this is true at all tbh. Falcon's mafia winrate is insanely high and he has a tendency to skate by on not much whereas mafia Alison that gets through day 1 never endgames.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:03 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:24 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:49 pm

I did. I read his ISO carefully.

I'll ask again. Where is this happening? Please point out specific instances.

This is not a serious post. Do you believe that Jack believes we should yeet him D1 every game in order to determine his alignment? Do you believe that he really thinks he should be considered obvtown?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:11 pm
I mean, in theory, you should try to yeet me every D1 to immediately determine my alignment.

In practice, I'm obviously town so what are you doing?

This is a nonsensical post with no reasoning or previous post supporting any of these conclusions.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:07 pm Also, just assume that everything happens for a reason, including rands.

Ergo, you can townread Seanzie, me, Creature, Falcon, Porscha and you can scumread Alison, Wilgy.

This is another useless post that says nothing. Yes, we can conclude that Roxy-Alison is one of three possible groupings. This is lolcatting,

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:06 pm well, since we can all agree that Alison and Roxy are either w/w, v/w or v/v, we should infoyeet Alison.

You know, I'll admit that those posts are a very slight bit trolly. Jack has 42 posts though, and those are not representative of the whole. Jack has been one of the loudest Alison critics, and I think Jack's posts there look good. Do you find those RVS or trolly? I don't.

I don't see where Jack was suspected and doubled-down on being trolly. Aside from Alison saying "Jack is outed" who is suspecting Jack (there could be people but I don't remember), and where was their response to this pressure that you're so concerned with?

If you think Jack's ISO is all troll posts, you're skipping posts. One could argue that Jack is only focusing serious attention on Alison, and that would make sense to me, but Jack is more AI content posts than I do likely.

Also, the "previous posts" are actually there - just not in this game. Jack fancies himself "unyeetable" as town, this is a trope that has existed as long as I've known Jack.

Give me a summary on Jack’s worldview other than he thinks Alison has gross posts.

I literally just told you that The argument that "Jack is only focusing serous attention Alison" makes sense to me, so we won't make progress in our conversation by hashing out points we agree on.

What I disagree with you about is your claim that Jack was only trolling (you now seem to concede that Jack did have some content), and that " When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect." I am still waiting to see where this happened, because I did not get this feeling at all, and it was the main issue I had with your post - this is a very specific thing you're claiming, and I don't see it and I am waiting on you to prove to me that you DID see something that you interpreted in that way.

I don’t agree that he actually has any non-trolling content other than perhaps his comment that Alison and I are not w/w. I don’t think any of his posts about Alison are genuine either. Basically I’m just seeing his entire gameplay as spouting nonsense nonstop.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:13 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:09 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:52 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:44 pm Alison/Mac/Bau woofie woofers

Neon is pocketing me, and I kinda like it.




It's not nearly as bright as you might expect

I think this is mafia Falcon.

*copy/paste one of the 17 posts I've made in previous games about why yeeting Falcon early in a game is a bad idea*

Even if you think this, I'd recommend spending your attention elsewhere for now.

I would say the same thing about Alison. Why is eliminating Falcon early worse than Alison without factoring alignment?

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:03 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:24 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:49 pm

I did. I read his ISO carefully.

I'll ask again. Where is this happening? Please point out specific instances.

This is not a serious post. Do you believe that Jack believes we should yeet him D1 every game in order to determine his alignment? Do you believe that he really thinks he should be considered obvtown?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:11 pm
I mean, in theory, you should try to yeet me every D1 to immediately determine my alignment.

In practice, I'm obviously town so what are you doing?

This is a nonsensical post with no reasoning or previous post supporting any of these conclusions.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:07 pm Also, just assume that everything happens for a reason, including rands.

Ergo, you can townread Seanzie, me, Creature, Falcon, Porscha and you can scumread Alison, Wilgy.

This is another useless post that says nothing. Yes, we can conclude that Roxy-Alison is one of three possible groupings. This is lolcatting,

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:06 pm well, since we can all agree that Alison and Roxy are either w/w, v/w or v/v, we should infoyeet Alison.

You know, I'll admit that those posts are a very slight bit trolly. Jack has 42 posts though, and those are not representative of the whole. Jack has been one of the loudest Alison critics, and I think Jack's posts there look good. Do you find those RVS or trolly? I don't.

I don't see where Jack was suspected and doubled-down on being trolly. Aside from Alison saying "Jack is outed" who is suspecting Jack (there could be people but I don't remember), and where was their response to this pressure that you're so concerned with?

If you think Jack's ISO is all troll posts, you're skipping posts. One could argue that Jack is only focusing serious attention on Alison, and that would make sense to me, but Jack is more AI content posts than I do likely.

Also, the "previous posts" are actually there - just not in this game. Jack fancies himself "unyeetable" as town, this is a trope that has existed as long as I've known Jack.

Give me a summary on Jack’s worldview other than he thinks Alison has gross posts.

I literally just told you that The argument that "Jack is only focusing serous attention Alison" makes sense to me, so we won't make progress in our conversation by hashing out points we agree on.

What I disagree with you about is your claim that Jack was only trolling (you now seem to concede that Jack did have some content), and that " When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect." I am still waiting to see where this happened, because I did not get this feeling at all, and it was the main issue I had with your post - this is a very specific thing you're claiming, and I don't see it and I am waiting on you to prove to me that you DID see something that you interpreted in that way.

I don’t agree that he actually has any non-trolling content other than perhaps his comment that Alison and I are not w/w. I don’t think any of his posts about Alison are genuine either. Basically I’m just seeing his entire gameplay as spouting nonsense nonstop.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:31 pm The reason Jack is mafia is because, even given he was in RVS mode later than everyone else, he decided to troll the game with every single post. When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect. This is a very common mafia technique and we should lunch him.

If you are not voting Jack or if you are voting with Jack you should feel less than stellar about yourself.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:06 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:00 pm seanzie can you talk to me about your read on me and dennis and kate?

One of your posts really reminded me of when you pushed me in that one game you pushed me over. KotH maybe it was?

was it when i silently voted u

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:10 pm i'm not fully caught up but i'm getting pinged by a lot of the posts from creature that i'm seeing

i just played with him in da bois invitiational where we were T/T, and one thing i noticed about his game is that he was super hedgy and super non-commital and consistently projected a mindset where he was scared about being wrong. some quotes from him on d1 in that game:

I'm giving time for my reads to mature.

I am prob not giving anyone a townread for now until I am fairly sure about it. So don't expect anything from me other than pushing whoever is being wolfy.

I dunno where to go. I suspect spf and ladd the most but I'm also afraid of lynching them and them being town.

neopest I guess is playing her town game? (although I feel like she may have figured it out as wolf and can emulate it)

by contrast, creature is picking up reads in this game much more confidently, and he is pushing on ppl fairly aggressively and seems to have no hesitance about calling them wolfy:

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:57 am Alright Seanzie looks good page 1

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 10:08 am I liked Neon's posts tbh.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:07 pm I guess the players I actually townread are Baudib1, Neon and Seanzie. Maybe lucy too but need more from her.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:10 pm Alison
DrWilgy
Kate
RondoDimBuckle
sig
tutuu

should contain wolves

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 1:02 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 12:14 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 11:55 am Somebody do something to make me feel something.

I'm listening to Easy to Tame by Kim Mitchell, and got Rich Gurl by Hall & Oates qued up next.



Get hyped.



What's your take on Wilgy?

lol I think DrWilgy had a wolf list that feels like it's 0/3 so he can go

i think the last post in particular isn't really a post that my mental model of creature as town would make. saying "X player has an inaccurate readslist, so he can go" feels like a bizarre amount of confidence from a player who is usually very hedgy and very worried about having an incorrect view of the game

maybe im reading too much into the meta stuff but yeah idk, i just feel like creature might be playing from a position of TMI and that he is forming a worldview too easily compared to what i just saw from him in a game like 2 weeks ago

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:52 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:44 pm Alison/Mac/Bau woofie woofers

Neon is pocketing me, and I kinda like it.




It's not nearly as bright as you might expect

I think this is mafia Falcon.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:00 pm seanzie can you talk to me about your read on me and dennis and kate?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:04 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:02 pm HOLD UP EVERYONE HOLD UP. CODE RED. MASSIVE CHANGE

just to get this outta the way

@rondo i aint telling u SHIT friend, all of my reads are 100% naturally generated progression all there in my posts. no processed chemicals full bio. u want me to chop it up into thin slices for u to eat? want me to feed u mouth to mouth like mama bird to baby bird? how bout you READ mah POSTS if u wanna KNOW the REASONING for my READS you WOMBAT. thats right fam

@seanzie DID WE JUST BECOME BEST FRIENDS? . GIF

bro WHAT WAS THAT SPF POST. i TOWNREAD for that earlier BUT SHE PUSHIN IT. U PUSHIN IT HOME GIRL IM WATCHING U. DONT THINK IM NOT. IM WATCHING U. whats up with this assumption that fingersplint is using "worse" as "scummy". u coulda just asked her. u write a whole post assuming and u already forming a read. u aint got no reads about nothing else. where are ur reads. WHERE ARE YOUR READS SPF. ion see em. i see u nitpicking that fingerpost. u riding on ur laureals, u thought it was gonna be that easy to get townread? SIKE THINK AGAIN SUCKER

i AM DROPPING you from my TOWNCORE. i dont wanna hear no cry, no moan. END OF DISCUSSION. PERIOD. u wanna contest this decision - contact my lawyer. I AINT DEALING with no FURRIES.

We've been best friends since we did the Jack and Dwight bit in Bike Mafia.

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 8:02 pm HOLD UP EVERYONE HOLD UP. CODE RED. MASSIVE CHANGE

just to get this outta the way

@rondo i aint telling u SHIT friend, all of my reads are 100% naturally generated progression all there in my posts. no processed chemicals full bio. u want me to chop it up into thin slices for u to eat? want me to feed u mouth to mouth like mama bird to baby bird? how bout you READ mah POSTS if u wanna KNOW the REASONING for my READS you WOMBAT. thats right fam

@seanzie DID WE JUST BECOME BEST FRIENDS? . GIF

bro WHAT WAS THAT SPF POST. i TOWNREAD for that earlier BUT SHE PUSHIN IT. U PUSHIN IT HOME GIRL IM WATCHING U. DONT THINK IM NOT. IM WATCHING U. whats up with this assumption that fingersplint is using "worse" as "scummy". u coulda just asked her. u write a whole post assuming and u already forming a read. u aint got no reads about nothing else. where are ur reads. WHERE ARE YOUR READS SPF. ion see em. i see u nitpicking that fingerpost. u riding on ur laureals, u thought it was gonna be that easy to get townread? SIKE THINK AGAIN SUCKER

i AM DROPPING you from my TOWNCORE. i dont wanna hear no cry, no moan. END OF DISCUSSION. PERIOD. u wanna contest this decision - contact my lawyer. I AINT DEALING with no FURRIES.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:24 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:49 pm

I did. I read his ISO carefully.

I'll ask again. Where is this happening? Please point out specific instances.

This is not a serious post. Do you believe that Jack believes we should yeet him D1 every game in order to determine his alignment? Do you believe that he really thinks he should be considered obvtown?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:11 pm
I mean, in theory, you should try to yeet me every D1 to immediately determine my alignment.

In practice, I'm obviously town so what are you doing?

This is a nonsensical post with no reasoning or previous post supporting any of these conclusions.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:07 pm Also, just assume that everything happens for a reason, including rands.

Ergo, you can townread Seanzie, me, Creature, Falcon, Porscha and you can scumread Alison, Wilgy.

This is another useless post that says nothing. Yes, we can conclude that Roxy-Alison is one of three possible groupings. This is lolcatting,

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:06 pm well, since we can all agree that Alison and Roxy are either w/w, v/w or v/v, we should infoyeet Alison.

You know, I'll admit that those posts are a very slight bit trolly. Jack has 42 posts though, and those are not representative of the whole. Jack has been one of the loudest Alison critics, and I think Jack's posts there look good. Do you find those RVS or trolly? I don't.

I don't see where Jack was suspected and doubled-down on being trolly. Aside from Alison saying "Jack is outed" who is suspecting Jack (there could be people but I don't remember), and where was their response to this pressure that you're so concerned with?

If you think Jack's ISO is all troll posts, you're skipping posts. One could argue that Jack is only focusing serious attention on Alison, and that would make sense to me, but Jack is more AI content posts than I do likely.

Also, the "previous posts" are actually there - just not in this game. Jack fancies himself "unyeetable" as town, this is a trope that has existed as long as I've known Jack.

Give me a summary on Jack’s worldview other than he thinks Alison has gross posts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:49 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 3:09 pm FTR I agree with almost all of Alison’s posts at least to a certain degree. Pocketing intensifies.

Yeah in catch up until here I'm finding myself agreeing with you and Alison and waiting for the section that leads to you two being the top wagons.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 7:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:49 pm

I did. I read his ISO carefully.

I'll ask again. Where is this happening? Please point out specific instances.

This is not a serious post. Do you believe that Jack believes we should yeet him D1 every game in order to determine his alignment? Do you believe that he really thinks he should be considered obvtown?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:11 pm
I mean, in theory, you should try to yeet me every D1 to immediately determine my alignment.

In practice, I'm obviously town so what are you doing?

This is a nonsensical post with no reasoning or previous post supporting any of these conclusions.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:07 pm Also, just assume that everything happens for a reason, including rands.

Ergo, you can townread Seanzie, me, Creature, Falcon, Porscha and you can scumread Alison, Wilgy.

This is another useless post that says nothing. Yes, we can conclude that Roxy-Alison is one of three possible groupings. This is lolcatting,

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 4:06 pm well, since we can all agree that Alison and Roxy are either w/w, v/w or v/v, we should infoyeet Alison.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:42 pm

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:31 pm The reason Jack is mafia is because, even given he was in RVS mode later than everyone else, he decided to troll the game with every single post. When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect. This is a very common mafia technique and we should lunch him.

If you are not voting Jack or if you are voting with Jack you should feel less than stellar about yourself.

I don't think what you're saying here happened.

Where is Jack trolling? Where did he take heat for trolling? Where did he roll with it?

Read any of his posts.

Baudib1 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 6:31 pm The reason Jack is mafia is because, even given he was in RVS mode later than everyone else, he decided to troll the game with every single post. When he unexpectedly took heat for this he just rolled with it to try to deflect. This is a very common mafia technique and we should lunch him.

If you are not voting Jack or if you are voting with Jack you should feel less than stellar about yourself.