The Syndicate

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:27 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:19 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

What tale does it tell?

I'll let you get caught up, and then will field questions.

I see you answered this, but I'm still not sure I understand your point in pointing out zenge's tagging AM for a question

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:20 am [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Oooo, care to eleaborate?

You've been dancing around the Zenge/Falcon/Sloonei drama but have seemingly been in every camp at this point

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:24 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:19 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

What tale does it tell?

I'll let you get caught up, and then will field questions.

Then I've got good news for you!

Caught up

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:29 pm I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

What tale does it tell?

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:32 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:14 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:08 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:04 pm

She analyzes the posts players make, and the gamestate as a whole, decides who she thinks is the wolfiest and votes there.

This sounds like a very passive approach and does not match what I've heard others say about them.

I mean I guess the way I describe it is a little dry.

I’m not really sure where this line of questioning is trying to go. Can you just say what you want to say instead of dancing around it and answer my original question?

Why is my asking AM for her opinion “weird” and “Potentially outting”?

Because I wonder if the intensity that AM is known for sometimes ends up on townies, and if your asking AM didn't have any agenda attached.

I asked her because she’s a smart savvy player and her opinion matters to me, and considering I’m villager reading her, and Dyachei has village read her (Dyachei who has never been wrong on their read of AM in like 7+ years), I can trust that it’s an honest read from a villager (outside of a AM/Dyachei W/W world, which I don’t think is likely here).

That being said, AM is never anyone’s pit bull. She pushes people independently. She frequently wolf reads people and finds separate people to wolf read and push, separate from other peoples pushes.

I'm a pitbull. That's the animal that I asked JJJ to give me, and I got it.

You’re lookin mighty human, mr bull

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:05 pm

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions

The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie

Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?

Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me

To address this now, I will use the SUPER NAI method of just quoting a post from another game where I explain this (I've had to explain this a lot):


NOTE: The following spoilered post is NOT from this game. It is from another game.

Spoiler: show

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:04 pm

Lumi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:15 pm No to Falcon. No.

Not yet at least.

Overruled

Give a good reason if you want people to listen.

Falcon is an easy read as time goes on and are an easy misyeet for wolves early. If Falcon is a wolf, taking them out will not severely hinder the wolves (no offence to Falcon, but he kinda hates wolfing, and while he isn't a negative to the wolf-team, he isn't exactly the choice to go deep), and Falcon's best strength as a wolf is he is good at not leaving spew/leaving misleading spew, so flipping him early gives very little benefit even if he is wolf, but leaving him alive will never cause a loss because he is wolf (if we wouldn't have lost anyways), and we will know if he is town or not because elo.

@potentialsheltervet

Hm. I see. But if it comes down to it and it's hypothetically between likely wolf Falcon and likely town someone else, then voting Falcon is by far the better choice.
But I suppose your point being it's better to pursue someone else first?

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:14 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:08 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:59 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:58 pm

No, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.

What does AM tend to do then? Can you give me a TLDR on them?

She analyzes the posts players make, and the gamestate as a whole, decides who she thinks is the wolfiest and votes there.

This sounds like a very passive approach and does not match what I've heard others say about them.

I mean I guess the way I describe it is a little dry.

I’m not really sure where this line of questioning is trying to go. Can you just say what you want to say instead of dancing around it and answer my original question?

Why is my asking AM for her opinion “weird” and “Potentially outting”?

Because I wonder if the intensity that AM is known for sometimes ends up on townies, and if your asking AM didn't have any agenda attached.

I asked her because she’s a smart savvy player and her opinion matters to me, and considering I’m villager reading her, and Dyachei has village read her (Dyachei who has never been wrong on their read of AM in like 7+ years), I can trust that it’s an honest read from a villager (outside of a AM/Dyachei W/W world, which I don’t think is likely here).

That being said, AM is never anyone’s pit bull. She pushes people independently. She frequently wolf reads people and finds separate people to wolf read and push, separate from other peoples pushes.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:08 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:59 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:56 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:55 pm

I’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?

AM seems to be known for their intensity. Do they tend to focus on specific people and push there?

No, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.

What does AM tend to do then? Can you give me a TLDR on them?

She analyzes the posts players make, and the gamestate as a whole, decides who she thinks is the wolfiest and votes there.

This sounds like a very passive approach and does not match what I've heard others say about them.

I mean I guess the way I describe it is a little dry.

I’m not really sure where this line of questioning is trying to go. Can you just say what you want to say instead of dancing around it and answer my original question?

Why is my asking AM for her opinion “weird” and “Potentially outting”?

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:59 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:56 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:54 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:50 pm

Because I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.

Is AM the type that can be pointed at a specific target with reasonable effect?

I’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?

AM seems to be known for their intensity. Do they tend to focus on specific people and push there?

No, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.

What does AM tend to do then? Can you give me a TLDR on them?

She analyzes the posts players make, and the gamestate as a whole, decides who she thinks is the wolfiest and votes there.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:56 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:54 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:48 pm

Can you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?

Before I do that, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought to bring AM on the discussion.

Because I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.

Is AM the type that can be pointed at a specific target with reasonable effect?

I’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?

AM seems to be known for their intensity. Do they tend to focus on specific people and push there?

No, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:54 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

Can you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?

Before I do that, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought to bring AM on the discussion.

Because I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.

Is AM the type that can be pointed at a specific target with reasonable effect?

I’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

Can you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?

Before I do that, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought to bring AM on the discussion.

Because I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:29 pm I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

Can you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:05 pm

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions

The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie

Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?

Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me

To address this now, I will use the SUPER NAI method of just quoting a post from another game where I explain this (I've had to explain this a lot):


NOTE: The following spoilered post is NOT from this game. It is from another game.

Spoiler: show

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:04 pm

Lumi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:15 pm No to Falcon. No.

Not yet at least.

Overruled

Give a good reason if you want people to listen.

Falcon is an easy read as time goes on and are an easy misyeet for wolves early. If Falcon is a wolf, taking them out will not severely hinder the wolves (no offence to Falcon, but he kinda hates wolfing, and while he isn't a negative to the wolf-team, he isn't exactly the choice to go deep), and Falcon's best strength as a wolf is he is good at not leaving spew/leaving misleading spew, so flipping him early gives very little benefit even if he is wolf, but leaving him alive will never cause a loss because he is wolf (if we wouldn't have lost anyways), and we will know if he is town or not because elo.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:42 pm I'm at the edge of my seat waiting for Seanzie to explain why we can't elim falcon despite his scum read and why that's making him vote Zenge, the champion of yeeting falcon.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:29 pm I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:05 pm

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions

The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie

Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?

Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me

To address this now, I will use the SUPER NAI method of just quoting a post from another game where I explain this (I've had to explain this a lot):


NOTE: The following spoilered post is NOT from this game. It is from another game.

Spoiler: show

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 4:04 pm

Lumi wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Dec 15, 2022 3:15 pm No to Falcon. No.

Not yet at least.

Overruled

Give a good reason if you want people to listen.

Falcon is an easy read as time goes on and are an easy misyeet for wolves early. If Falcon is a wolf, taking them out will not severely hinder the wolves (no offence to Falcon, but he kinda hates wolfing, and while he isn't a negative to the wolf-team, he isn't exactly the choice to go deep), and Falcon's best strength as a wolf is he is good at not leaving spew/leaving misleading spew, so flipping him early gives very little benefit even if he is wolf, but leaving him alive will never cause a loss because he is wolf (if we wouldn't have lost anyways), and we will know if he is town or not because elo.

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions

The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie

Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?

Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:59 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:58 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:54 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:31 pm i kind of think sloon is being lightly v

Why do your reads have so many adjectives?

they always do and you always take issue with it

it's how i express myself

I could be wrong, but I don't think I've taken issue with this specific thing in the past. What game?

i never remember specific game names. but i remember having a similar convo with you before

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:52 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:24 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:22 pm

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions

The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie

Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?

Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me

See, this is what a townie looks like when I sus Falcon but take them off the table.

I'll answer your question re:this, but not until I hear from Zenge.

I answered you in 922? Unless you asked something else I didn’t see?

I apparently didn't see that post. Are you usually so laissez faire in games?

I don’t feel like I’m very laissez faire here. This is the most active and engaged I’ve been on a thread in a while.

So I guess yes. I’m not just usually laissez faire, I’m usually SO laissez faire that what you’re seeing as “laissez faire” here is actually a very high bar for me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:54 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:31 pm i kind of think sloon is being lightly v

Why do your reads have so many adjectives?

lightly is an adverb. vote seanzie vote aubergine

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:54 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:31 pm i kind of think sloon is being lightly v

Why do your reads have so many adjectives?

they always do and you always take issue with it

it's how i express myself

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:45 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:40 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:39 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:32 pm idk, zenge/falcon/sloon feels a lot like v on v on v violence but i dont really know how to read the first 2

Let me lay out my case for you.

Falcon made a very bad push on me.

I said I was thinking about how a wolf would approach the game and looking for people who were doing that.

Falcon claimed that this “wasn’t a town perspective”.

I asked him to elaborate and he refused and changed the subject.

I asked him again and he obfuscated with something unrelated.

This is not how a villager looking to solve the game behaves.

falcon is someone I struggle with because I almost always want to call him a wolf, but he's usually not a wolf

he does shit that I would consider wolfy in a vacuum

I feel like if you took a wolf out of a vacuum they’d still be a wolf though. That’s like…physics.

But also hear me out on this:

The Miranda wagon is bad. I’ve talked about why. Instead of asking me why I thought the Miranda wagon is bad, or trying to engage and understand people perspectives, he wolf read me and tried to build a wagon on me for terrible reasoning.

He also tried to build a case on PSV, on the grounds that he was asking how Neon was reading his slot.

All of these things are Wolfy in a vacuum. How many Wolfy vacuums does it take before this is a pattern?

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:31 pm i kind of think sloon is being lightly v

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:24 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:22 pm

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions

The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie

Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?

Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me

See, this is what a townie looks like when I sus Falcon but take them off the table.

I'll answer your question re:this, but not until I hear from Zenge.

I answered you in 922? Unless you asked something else I didn’t see?

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions

The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie

Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?

Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:04 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:02 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:55 pm

I am not I was asking if I said I was, but forgot to put you on the list

Why aren't you townreading me?

I am yet to be compelled

I've been quite compelling.

Source

Folklore results do not need sources.

Yes they do

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:02 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:02 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:53 pm Seriously though did I forget I was townreading you

Why are you townreading me?

I am not I was asking if I said I was, but forgot to put you on the list

Why aren't you townreading me?

I am yet to be compelled

I've been quite compelling.

Source

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:01 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:02 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:53 pm Seriously though did I forget I was townreading you

Why are you townreading me?

I am not I was asking if I said I was, but forgot to put you on the list

Why aren't you townreading me?

I am yet to be compelled

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:02 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:53 pm Seriously though did I forget I was townreading you

Why are you townreading me?

I am not I was asking if I said I was, but forgot to put you on the list

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:41 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:57 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:46 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:42 pm Everywhere?

I'm not getting my normal town falcon pings.

What are the normal town falcon pings?

I'm not great at explaining things but this ain't it.

I expect falcon to be kinda quiet and in the background someone you have to look for and most people will forget about but has posts that are extremely informative if you bother to pay attention

But here he's in the forefront leading and loudly pushing narratives. This isn't what I expect.

I find the few times I've seen town!Falcon fiery D1, it is more inquisitive aggressiveness, whereas here it doesn't really feel inquisitive.

Meta Maf has me out swingin' hoss.





I sat back and we got creamed. Nuh uh, not again

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:28 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:25 pm [VOTE: Zenge] aubergine

Weird choice here, but okay.

Why was this the end of this?

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:39 pm

Spoiler: show

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm






@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.

I think this is another point in the Falcon is very likely a wolf column.

This push on PSV is illogical in its foundation. Seanzie spelled it out perfectly.

The bad news is though... we cannot elim Falcon.

Not with that attitude

I’m not sure I understand your question.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:28 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:25 pm [VOTE: Zenge] aubergine

Weird choice here, but okay.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:39 pm

Spoiler: show

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:36 pm @Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:25 pm

Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!

I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.

I think this is another point in the Falcon is very likely a wolf column.

This push on PSV is illogical in its foundation. Seanzie spelled it out perfectly.

The bad news is though... we cannot elim Falcon.

Not with that attitude

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:03 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:50 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:40 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:40 pm @NateTheLesser Why are you voting Zenge?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:01 pm Game Fast.

14 pages.

Haven't read.

ANYWAYS @Neon you meme voting Dennis?

@falcon45ca/@NateTheLesser please iterate on why Zenge?

His comment on whether Scotty was role fishing seemed like reachy shade for page 1 of day 0 (especially since our animals aren't tied to role/alignment).

But I'm not sure I want to help yeet a SDNer on day one, so I'll see how I feel as I catch up. Dennis also struck me as slightly over-serious during D0.

What would role fishing really accomplish in a role madness game?

Well, I was more interested in the accusation of role fishing than the alleged role fishing itself.

It wasn’t an accusation Nate, it was a joke.

The joke being that animal roles are irrelevant so fishing for them is equally irrelevant.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:36 pm @Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:25 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:20 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:19 pm

I will not be doing that. I already stated I'm not even going to be reading this entire game. All I'm saying is I think she sounds noobish rather than wolfy to me.

That's going to be a problem.

Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!

I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.

Well, maybe that's just a vibe approach difference then to how I see the game..if I'm not SRing, I'm TRing by default

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:45 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:46 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:42 pm Everywhere?

I'm not getting my normal town falcon pings.

What are the normal town falcon pings?

I'm not great at explaining things but this ain't it.

I expect falcon to be kinda quiet and in the background someone you have to look for and most people will forget about but has posts that are extremely informative if you bother to pay attention

But here he's in the forefront leading and loudly pushing narratives. This isn't what I expect.

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:36 pm @Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:25 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:20 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:19 pm

I will not be doing that. I already stated I'm not even going to be reading this entire game. All I'm saying is I think she sounds noobish rather than wolfy to me.

That's going to be a problem.

Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!

I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.

I think this is another point in the Falcon is very likely a wolf column.

This push on PSV is illogical in its foundation. Seanzie spelled it out perfectly.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:36 pm @Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:25 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:20 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:19 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:17 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:06 pm

Yes, she is a relative noob. This is her fifth (I believe?) game.
I'm more getting at, I would've expected her to be coached not to say something like that. I'm reading her as nooby rather than outright wolfy.

I think you should read her wolf game before making claims like this.

I will not be doing that. I already stated I'm not even going to be reading this entire game. All I'm saying is I think she sounds noobish rather than wolfy to me.

That's going to be a problem.

Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!

I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:04 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:04 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:02 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:55 pm


Why are you TR Neon? Are you sheeping other player's reads on her slot?

Did I say I'm TRing Neon? SVS said Neon reads you better than SVS does, implying a decent read rate. And neon said you're acting weird. If Zenge is also saying you're scummy, then there's a common denominator.

It's implied you're TR Neon if you're looking for her take on my slot to inform your read, yes

I don't find this to be an accurate take.

Also, who said Falcon feels normal?

Oh? Do you normally ask players who you are SRing to inform your read on a slot?

I ask players who I am uncertain on to inform my reads on a slot.

Do you feel that's how PVS is approaching Neon w/ regards to my slot?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:04 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:02 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:55 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:52 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:49 pm

For fear of raising the wrath of Zenge, I thought Falcon had some points.

I generally have a hard time reading Falcon; coming in here seeing him engage, I thought maybe I was getting a grip on his game. I thought he looked very civvie. And Sloonei i think was not so much defending Falcon as he was explaining someones Meta. I think he was trying to be helpful. I don't know that I think Sloonei would come in Day 1 to defend a teammate in that way, when he could easily be called out by people with more Falcon experience.

BUT Neon does read Falcon much better than I, so I need to see what she says.

I think Sloonei and Falcon are unlikely to be packmates anyhow but if Neon has a history of reading Falcon accurately than hmm

Why are you TR Neon? Are you sheeping other player's reads on her slot?

Did I say I'm TRing Neon? SVS said Neon reads you better than SVS does, implying a decent read rate. And neon said you're acting weird. If Zenge is also saying you're scummy, then there's a common denominator.

It's implied you're TR Neon if you're looking for her take on my slot to inform your read, yes

I don't find this to be an accurate take.

Also, who said Falcon feels normal?

Oh? Do you normally ask players who you are SRing to inform your read on a slot?

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:53 pm Seriously though did I forget I was townreading you

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:04 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:02 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:55 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:52 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:49 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

For fear of raising the wrath of Zenge, I thought Falcon had some points.

I generally have a hard time reading Falcon; coming in here seeing him engage, I thought maybe I was getting a grip on his game. I thought he looked very civvie. And Sloonei i think was not so much defending Falcon as he was explaining someones Meta. I think he was trying to be helpful. I don't know that I think Sloonei would come in Day 1 to defend a teammate in that way, when he could easily be called out by people with more Falcon experience.

BUT Neon does read Falcon much better than I, so I need to see what she says.

I think Sloonei and Falcon are unlikely to be packmates anyhow but if Neon has a history of reading Falcon accurately than hmm

Why are you TR Neon? Are you sheeping other player's reads on her slot?

Did I say I'm TRing Neon? SVS said Neon reads you better than SVS does, implying a decent read rate. And neon said you're acting weird. If Zenge is also saying you're scummy, then there's a common denominator.

It's implied you're TR Neon if you're looking for her take on my slot to inform your read, yes

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:52 pm Alright catch up is done and I regret joining this game if I ever have to do that again

AM, Falcon, SVS, PSV, Zenge all get townreads for now

Marmot's slight scumread on me felt funny, but SVS's explanation sorta cleared that up? Like I know what they are trying to say but it kinda sucks that I'm getting scumread for having a personality D0

This Miranda wagon is nasssty and I don't know why. It feels like literally everyone has not actually said why

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:40 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:40 pm @NateTheLesser Why are you voting Zenge?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:01 pm Game Fast.

14 pages.

Haven't read.

ANYWAYS @Neon you meme voting Dennis?

@falcon45ca/@NateTheLesser please iterate on why Zenge?

His comment on whether Scotty was role fishing seemed like reachy shade for page 1 of day 0 (especially since our animals aren't tied to role/alignment).

But I'm not sure I want to help yeet a SDNer on day one, so I'll see how I feel as I catch up. Dennis also struck me as slightly over-serious during D0.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:21 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:19 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:06 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:00 pm Is Miranda a relative noob to werewolf?

I think it is far easier and safer to call someone town when playing as mafia

Yes, she is a relative noob. This is her fifth (I believe?) game.
I'm more getting at, I would've expected her to be coached not to say something like that. I'm reading her as nooby rather than outright wolfy.

Coached? Lol

So you’re saying townreading me is a Lev 1 wolf strategy? I disagree. I think it’s rather benign and something town do plenty.

What would you coach her?

I mean the other scum in scumchat would probably have said hey don't do that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:18 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 2:24 pm Do people on Syndicte usually use the word "yeet" in these games? If so, in what conext?

Yeet is a more political option that some people have adapted instead of the more triggering ‘lynching’

Here’s a handy chart for your perusal: