The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:51 pmok

Why haven't you suspected me much this game?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:49 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:46 pmmeh

I got more town in my left buttcheek than you do this game.

Like I mean in your whole body. not in your left buttcheek.

It was funnier in my head.

Like my left buttcheek >>> Mac's entire existence.

Is that clearer?

ebwop

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:49 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:46 pmmeh

I got more town in my left buttcheek than you do this game.

Like I mean in your whole body. not in your left buttcheek.

It was funnier in my head.

Like my buttcheek >>> Mac's entire existence.

Is that clearer?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:46 pmmeh

I got more town in my left buttcheek than you do this game.

Like I mean in your whole body. not in your left buttcheek.

It was funnier in my head.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:46 pmmeh

I got more town in my left buttcheek than you do this game.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:25 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:22 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:18 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 pm

Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?

Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.

You're both making me think Creature is town.

I haven't said a single thing about Creature and legit have like no thoughts on the slot as of yet, but sure? lump me in there.

It's more about you than Creature tbh.

Ah, yes that makes sense. You do you NAA, you do you.

Why are you working so hard to discredit me when from your perspective I almost have to be right?

I have made exactly 0 posts about discrediting you?

If you mean my post about NAA being NAA in regards to Mac seeing to roll over under little to no pressure, I wasn't trying to discredit you, I was trying to get into Mac's headspace, see where he was at. No offense, but sometimes you do things that other people perceive as extremely anti-town when you're town, so I don't think you have a lot of threadclout. I don't mean that as a discredit, it just just an assessment of how I believe people react to you. Your takes very well could be right, but I still don't see town!Mac getting particularly discouraged because you suspect them, and so Mac's roll-over-and-die attitude is pretty meh IMO.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:22 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:18 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm @MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?

Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.

Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?

Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.

You're both making me think Creature is town.

I haven't said a single thing about Creature and legit have like no thoughts on the slot as of yet, but sure? lump me in there.

It's more about you than Creature tbh.

Ah, yes that makes sense. You do you NAA, you do you.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 8:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm @MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?

Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.

Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?

Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.

You're both making me think Creature is town.

I haven't said a single thing about Creature and legit have like no thoughts on the slot as of yet, but sure? lump me in there.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:56 pm im just grumpy cuz i havent eaten breakfast lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:56 pm no of course im not giving up lol

Well then go eat your vegemite and then come back here and open wolf your way to an easy wolf victory. This setup has like a 25% EV for town, and I fucked up bad, so you should more-or-less have this one in the books.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:52 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:49 pm It's not one person casing me. It's half the game deciding I'm mafia because I took a shit on day 1. I'm probably spewed town from it from Creature tbh.

Who is half the game?

Creature, NAA and you.

1. both of them are voting Alison, not you. You have 0 votes.

2. Creature has like 0.001 threadpresence at the best of days

3. NAA is NAA.

I don't feel like you're dealing with a large burden of suspicion here, except from bulldog fucked-up-real-bad-yesterday Seanzie, but you're ready to die already?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:49 pm It's not one person casing me. It's half the game deciding I'm mafia because I took a shit on day 1. I'm probably spewed town from it from Creature tbh.

Who is half the game?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:45 pm I didn't even see your post and the first thing I did was comment on it.

I got busy = I couldn't camp and actually do much aside from shit out hot takes.

I left my vote there = I saw Alison post and thought sheeping her was fine. I missed the last 10 hours of the day because the EOD is 7am my time.

Feel free to chop me and make this upcoming town L more your fault than mine.

I'll take the blame if I'm wrong.

There's a lot of the day left though. I'm not going to just sit here and hound you all day... well maybe, idk... we'll see, but anyways if you're town, do stuff. I have a hard time thinking that this whole "roll over and die" thing coming from one person casing you is genuine.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:43 pm Nah man the main reason I "dipped" is because this game has an EOD about 30 minutes before I get out of bed so I more or less missed the entire final 10 hours of the day due to sleeping. I left my vote on Fext because Alison showed up and buried Fext in a way that made me feel like leaving my vote there was probably just the correct thing to do.

I thought the reason you dipped was:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:20 pm Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

Your activity and thread presence significantly changed after your openwolf post about Fext being obviously town. I think your thinking did too. I think you wolf!Seanzie ->town!Gavial'd, but saw that you could just not interfere and let me do your dirty work.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:53 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:50 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:45 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm

This is a serious question though. Do you understand why I strongly believe one of you or Fext absolutely has to be the chop today?

Not at all. The point to mafia is to lynch wolves. Not towns.

Okay, thank you. This essentially confirms that you're mafia as well to me. I was a bit worried that maybe Fext had heard that from someone else in scum chat, but nah, you're doubling down on defending him and not willing to acknowledge that his knowledge about you is extremely suspicious (which it REALLY should be extremely suspicious from a town!LC perspective).

It was obvious post game in Molly Maguires that everyone was shocked that I played a strong wolf game. He said he saw it, I believe it.

When Fext flips town then you better be going after Mac, otherwise you're just outing yourself even more.

frankly I'm going to do my damndest to get you lynched before I ever go over

but that's neither here nor there

Lol, *need towncred now!* *bus!*

ehhhhhhhhhhh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:54 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:54 pm fr tho seanzie I saw you pinging me but saw no effort to ask questions or do anything that would help you get in my head

it was a few questions about what games I'd looked at and when with no change in your viewpoint or approach

seems incongruous with your insistence that I talk in realtime because literally none of those questions are things where my answer would change if I had time to think about and plan out an answer

townie words tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:56 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:55 pm as I mentioned though I'm not exactly planning to constrain myself to 1v1ing LC

stop town telling when i'm trying to get you mischopped

I don't know if you would have said another word about the lead wagon Fext if I wouldn't have pushed you (and everyone else) about it the next day after I woke up.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:38 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm @MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?

Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.

Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?

Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.

Fext, not Wilgy

I didn't claim Fext was obvtown or even really townread Fext? I waivered a lil bit sure but how is how I treated Fext anything like how you describe the way you treated Gavial?

Not the exact same, but I feel like there became a point where you felt like you couldn't justifiably push him anymore, but kept your vote on him and just kinda dipped.

I'm going for a run. Someone make Mac sweat about his Fext treatment while I'm making myself sweat.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:21 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm @MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?

Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.

Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?

Sure. You are mafia and you think Creature is town.

Lol. No it's probably that you are seeing in me how you were playing there.

Fext, not Wilgy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm @MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?

Oh this question. The first time I played with Gavial I believe was in the Fallout game and I believe he was mafia.

Hmm... the first time I played with Gavial was actually also Fallout, but I had no recollection of him because I repped in and he was chop at that point...

The second time I played with Gavial though I was a wolf and he was town. A funny thing happened in thread... I think he was obvtown. I really just had a hard time doing anything other than just claiming he was obvtown, and I was surprised that villagers were scumreading him.

Any guesses why I bring this little anecdote up?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:20 pm Sorry about that I got very busy. NAA why are you thinking Alison?

Answer my question about Gavial please, mafiagod.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:54 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:53 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:53 pm We're missing the important players

Vote Alison, TIE TIE TIE

but I don't want to lynch Alison

You should vote Fext

@falcon45ca you around? I'm a little worried about a LC snipe.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:45 pm Fext is usually a 100-mile-an-hour poster...

Yeah, feel like this is just a hit.

In fairness, EoD is at such a shit time.

Good time for me personally, but yeah I know it is highly dependent on the person.

There have been other times throughout today that I felt Fext's posting was much more stunted than normal though, but I didn't want to bring it up because honestly players like him learning to have less posts of higher volume is generally better for threadhealth, so I didn't want to scumread that aspect of his play if he was just... getting better at playing on forum rather than ToS-style.

Fext is usually a 100-mile-an-hour poster...

Yeah, feel like this is just a hit.

Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:32 pmOh shit

If you're going to give thoughts on people, now's the time. I asked you about it a while ago.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 4:31 pm Is it 30 or an hour 30? idk how timezones work on this site.

29

Oh yeah, I see that now. Depending on daylight savings times, sometimes it matches my clock and sometimes it doesn't.

Is it 30 or an hour 30? idk how timezones work on this site.

Thanks.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:52 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:13 pm So we're still lynching Host/Spec today, right?

I've been called a straight shooter before, so I'm not gonna beat around the bush. You aren't a contribution to town and I reckon we need to get rid of you before f5.

Hustles ain't the place for this, we need to get that pool of people down.

Can you please move to Fext though? If Fext is wolf, the wagons are in a perfect position for a save right now, and I really don't like that.

Also, LC seems more-or-less deflated at this point, which again strongly suggests LC/Fext. We just need to flip Fext. If that is wrong, we need to seriously re-evaluate, but if we don't flip Fext, tomorrow is going to be insanely unproductive.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:26 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:11 pm @MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?

Is Fext aka Gavial? If so, I don't see the resemblance of posting. So that would be a well done by him.

No, Fext is not Gavial to my knowledge.

I want to hear from Mac. You can answer too though - first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment and their alignment?

@MacDougall the first time you played with Gavial, do you remember your alignment/his alignment by any chance?

Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:56 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:55 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:47 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:39 pm Despite all that I'm not fully convinced she's a hit

Could just be high on her own supply

There's no reason to think this with Alison. If she's confidently wrong (which you would know for a fact), then she's just mafia - specifically in this situation where she demonstrated null / uncertain reads on other players in the game - lots of them.

There's a difference between a well respected (for their reads) player being wrong, and being confidently tunnel wrong.

He's hedging her slot, don't ya think?

I'd much sooner go Seanzie

You can call that whatever you'd like

Can you give takes on everyone? Just like a sentence or two each, possibly with an ordered list? If you flip town, it will be helpful.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:51 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:46 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:19 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Care to share how this fits with your "every world has Fext" post?

I do say I think you have misconstrued my words now partner.

Detailing possibilities isn't stating that those possibilities are correct. What I reckon to be most likely correct now is Fext/Creature. If I am wrong, I'm just about as likely to be wrong on Fext as I am Creature, but both of these votes meet that end goal.

If I'm wrong, well, I'd just be doin Fext a disservice if I killed them. If I'm wrong on creature, that's somethin I can live wit.

I don't mean to misconstrue your words, but I really don't think my summary is far off base given what you wrote before.

Fext is someone whose flip will give a ton of information based on how many takes have been given on them and also how much they've said. Creature's flip would be nearly infoless.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 1:19 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Care to share how this fits with your "every world has Fext" post?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:06 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:00 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:54 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:42 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:40 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:25 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:13 am

Alison isn't raising any alarm bells for me, but that's also NAI for her.


I do belive we should look at 1 of Fext/LC first, Alison is someone I'd look into next RD after one of their flips.

IMO Fext is always the yeet today, but...

it did ping me a bit when Alison said me/her/mac are all on Fext and have good D1 reads... I'm not sure what game she would have gotten that impression from me on, so it felt a bit weird/pockety/lumping herself in, but meh, this is small fries compared to Fext.

If Fext does flip town though, I think Mac deserves more scrutiny though. NAA has made good points that Mac has acted a bit weird around the Fext push, and even things like Mac townreading Alison earlier seemed kinda off.

Again though, this is all thoughts for post-Fext flip. If I'm right on him, we're in great shape, and if not, I need to know that asap.

Agreed.



Sean, NAA my town posse

Ehh... I'm not quite there on NAA, but that is more of a "I really don't understand this player and so not really willing to clear them" and less of a "I think he is scum".

You demonstrate exceptional understanding for my thoughts in your last post, the only difference is that I'm thinking all of that pre-flip whereas you're thinking post-flip. Based on your ability to follow my reasoning in this case, it seems like you would be well suited to become a player who can read me very well.

And yet I have often sat there and stared in disbelief at things you've done as town because I legit can't understand wtf you were thinking... so I don't exactly know how to process the fact that I feel like you've made a few decent points here. While the points you've made make me lean town in a general sense, they clash with what I expect from town!NAA. Not enough of a clash for me to scumread you for it, but enough where I'm not going to towncore you over the points you've made.

I think you can probably learn to follow some of the other thought processes. It's a bit different on syndicate... I think you'd have a higher success rate if you observed my games on Mafia451 (though maybe I'm wrong about this). The fact is, on Syndicate there are a few players who I feel that I can't interact with, and there are a few players who I feel that I can't kill if I want to have any measurable impact on the game. So if you add that context, you'll likely find how that twists my logic in some situations.

Okay, well I will take this into account after this game.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:52 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:45 am So I definitely think Fext is the right choice of chop today, but I also think the people currently on Fext should state why they're voting. He brought up a good point that some of the people were voting Fext for a while.

@Alison @DrWilgy @MacDougall

Do you all think Fext scumslipped? If not, do you still think he should be the yeet? Why/why not?

If he flips scum, possible partners?

Well now, I do think I stated quite plain that I do think that there is some disgenuine reading going on in here.

I reckon that I could also vote for Creature here, but that'd generate us little to no vantage if I'm wrong.

My day 1 lock is Fext/Creature.

Other possibilities are as follows:
I could see you and Fext.
I could see LC and Fext.
I could see NAA and Fext.

Why me/Fext, and why not (Alison or Mac)/Fext?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:54 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:42 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:40 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:25 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:13 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:22 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:50 am



Why do you feel so glum, chum?


Do you feel that strongly that Fekt is Town?

If Fext & LC are town, the game is probably over. Alison knows this and is pushing that we should check their alignments before suspecting her... Bundling herself with Mac & Seanzie. Mac who told Fext to stop town telling and kept pushing him which is the type of thing he does as mafia... And Seanzie gets into random tunnels at times... Recent game where he tunneled Mac comes to mind.

Alison isn't raising any alarm bells for me, but that's also NAI for her.


I do belive we should look at 1 of Fext/LC first, Alison is someone I'd look into next RD after one of their flips.

IMO Fext is always the yeet today, but...

it did ping me a bit when Alison said me/her/mac are all on Fext and have good D1 reads... I'm not sure what game she would have gotten that impression from me on, so it felt a bit weird/pockety/lumping herself in, but meh, this is small fries compared to Fext.

If Fext does flip town though, I think Mac deserves more scrutiny though. NAA has made good points that Mac has acted a bit weird around the Fext push, and even things like Mac townreading Alison earlier seemed kinda off.

Again though, this is all thoughts for post-Fext flip. If I'm right on him, we're in great shape, and if not, I need to know that asap.

Agreed.



Sean, NAA my town posse

Ehh... I'm not quite there on NAA, but that is more of a "I really don't understand this player and so not really willing to clear them" and less of a "I think he is scum".

You demonstrate exceptional understanding for my thoughts in your last post, the only difference is that I'm thinking all of that pre-flip whereas you're thinking post-flip. Based on your ability to follow my reasoning in this case, it seems like you would be well suited to become a player who can read me very well.

And yet I have often sat there and stared in disbelief at things you've done as town because I legit can't understand wtf you were thinking... so I don't exactly know how to process the fact that I feel like you've made a few decent points here. While the points you've made make me lean town in a general sense, they clash with what I expect from town!NAA. Not enough of a clash for me to scumread you for it, but enough where I'm not going to towncore you over the points you've made.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:40 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:25 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:13 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:22 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:50 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:55 am Not sure if I'll make it to EOD.

Final answer today: NAA and Creature mafia.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:56 am Mac possibly one of them, but if he is then oh well I guess. Nothing I can do about it.

Why do you feel so glum, chum?


Do you feel that strongly that Fekt is Town?

If Fext & LC are town, the game is probably over. Alison knows this and is pushing that we should check their alignments before suspecting her... Bundling herself with Mac & Seanzie. Mac who told Fext to stop town telling and kept pushing him which is the type of thing he does as mafia... And Seanzie gets into random tunnels at times... Recent game where he tunneled Mac comes to mind.

Alison isn't raising any alarm bells for me, but that's also NAI for her.


I do belive we should look at 1 of Fext/LC first, Alison is someone I'd look into next RD after one of their flips.

IMO Fext is always the yeet today, but...

it did ping me a bit when Alison said me/her/mac are all on Fext and have good D1 reads... I'm not sure what game she would have gotten that impression from me on, so it felt a bit weird/pockety/lumping herself in, but meh, this is small fries compared to Fext.

If Fext does flip town though, I think Mac deserves more scrutiny though. NAA has made good points that Mac has acted a bit weird around the Fext push, and even things like Mac townreading Alison earlier seemed kinda off.

Again though, this is all thoughts for post-Fext flip. If I'm right on him, we're in great shape, and if not, I need to know that asap.

Agreed.



Sean, NAA my town posse

Ehh... I'm not quite there on NAA, but that is more of a "I really don't understand this player and so not really willing to clear them" and less of a "I think he is scum".

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:13 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 10:22 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 9:50 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:55 am Not sure if I'll make it to EOD.

Final answer today: NAA and Creature mafia.

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:56 am Mac possibly one of them, but if he is then oh well I guess. Nothing I can do about it.

Why do you feel so glum, chum?


Do you feel that strongly that Fekt is Town?

If Fext & LC are town, the game is probably over. Alison knows this and is pushing that we should check their alignments before suspecting her... Bundling herself with Mac & Seanzie. Mac who told Fext to stop town telling and kept pushing him which is the type of thing he does as mafia... And Seanzie gets into random tunnels at times... Recent game where he tunneled Mac comes to mind.

Alison isn't raising any alarm bells for me, but that's also NAI for her.


I do belive we should look at 1 of Fext/LC first, Alison is someone I'd look into next RD after one of their flips.

IMO Fext is always the yeet today, but...

it did ping me a bit when Alison said me/her/mac are all on Fext and have good D1 reads... I'm not sure what game she would have gotten that impression from me on, so it felt a bit weird/pockety/lumping herself in, but meh, this is small fries compared to Fext.

If Fext does flip town though, I think Mac deserves more scrutiny though. NAA has made good points that Mac has acted a bit weird around the Fext push, and even things like Mac townreading Alison earlier seemed kinda off.

Again though, this is all thoughts for post-Fext flip. If I'm right on him, we're in great shape, and if not, I need to know that asap.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:05 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:02 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:01 am Seanzie, talk to me.

About what?

How is your morning?

So far so good. Coffee just finished and I'm trying to figure out what to work on today.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 11:01 am Seanzie, talk to me.

About what?

So I definitely think Fext is the right choice of chop today, but I also think the people currently on Fext should state why they're voting. He brought up a good point that some of the people were voting Fext for a while.

@Alison @DrWilgy @MacDougall

Do you all think Fext scumslipped? If not, do you still think he should be the yeet? Why/why not?

If he flips scum, possible partners?

Lol, LC ghostvoted me just now.

Oh, I suppose I should also [VOTE: Fext] aubergine

Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:13 am Eh voting Alison is dumb I'm back on Seanzie

It seems so incongruous with what I'd expect for you to be so buried in a solo tunnel on something like this yet is vaguely reminiscent of your "red check" from the last game and your subsequent stubbornness that I just can't

You're the top wagon, this isn't a "solo tunnel".

I'm not going to fight you all day. You're the chop today. Honestly I wish there was a hammer, but alas, we'll have to wait until tomorrow.

Fext wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:07 am Like I know it's hard to put effort in when shouting "TOWN ON FEXT" works just as well sometime but we still have like a whole day

Sorry that you messed up, dude. Better luck next time.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jan 11, 2022 12:04 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:59 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:59 pm Just realized I'm the only one not voting anyone. So where should I vote?

Fext

Why?

Are you caught up on the thread?

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:59 pm Just realized I'm the only one not voting anyone. So where should I vote?

Fext

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:05 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:00 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:56 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:54 pm fr tho seanzie I saw you pinging me but saw no effort to ask questions or do anything that would help you get in my head

it was a few questions about what games I'd looked at and when with no change in your viewpoint or approach

seems incongruous with your insistence that I talk in realtime because literally none of those questions are things where my answer would change if I had time to think about and plan out an answer

If you were town, I think you'd know that I was trying to not allow you time to go do research on other games. If you would have mentioned details from a few other games right away, I would have immediately backed off you, but you didn't.

the fuck

why would it be towny of me to go look for details from other games to cover up the truth with a lie

I typo'd "not" into "now".

okay but like is having no memory of the other games I lightly skimmed a few posts from several days ago actually alignment indicative to you

because I don't think it is and I also am not convinced you think it is

Dude, kinda done arguing with you because you're outed and game's pretty much over... but...

you gave a very specific detail about a game:

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game

if you would have had lots of specific details about lots of games, then that would suggest that this detail you gave is NAI. You didn't. Does that automatically mean you're mafia? No, but it is VERY VERY weird that you "remembered" such a specific detail from one game that happens to be extremely relevant to this game, but can't remember anything else form any of the other "games you looked at". This smells of a lie.

But now here's the kicker... I just went and read the post-game from that game... and weird thing is... people weren't "shocked by his performance"... many people did congratulate LC on his game, and he did really well, but from what I could see, no one mentioned anything about being "shocked", one person (Alison) did mention that LC was polarized before that, but again... we're now talking about you having remember a very very specific post from a very very specific game... or the occam's razer explanation that you heard about it in scum chat...

And the way that you say it... it REALLY feels like how LC would describe what happened, because LC has the background on himself to know that people congratulating him on that game were surprised by how well he did, not just saying "good game" (because all they were doing was saying LC had a good game, not that they were shocked).

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:56 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:54 pm fr tho seanzie I saw you pinging me but saw no effort to ask questions or do anything that would help you get in my head

it was a few questions about what games I'd looked at and when with no change in your viewpoint or approach

seems incongruous with your insistence that I talk in realtime because literally none of those questions are things where my answer would change if I had time to think about and plan out an answer

If you were town, I think you'd know that I was trying to not allow you time to go do research on other games. If you would have mentioned details from a few other games right away, I would have immediately backed off you, but you didn't.

the fuck

why would it be towny of me to go look for details from other games to cover up the truth with a lie

I typo'd "not" into "now".

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:53 pm

Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:50 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:45 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:42 pm

This is a serious question though. Do you understand why I strongly believe one of you or Fext absolutely has to be the chop today?

Not at all. The point to mafia is to lynch wolves. Not towns.

Okay, thank you. This essentially confirms that you're mafia as well to me. I was a bit worried that maybe Fext had heard that from someone else in scum chat, but nah, you're doubling down on defending him and not willing to acknowledge that his knowledge about you is extremely suspicious (which it REALLY should be extremely suspicious from a town!LC perspective).

It was obvious post game in Molly Maguires that everyone was shocked that I played a strong wolf game. He said he saw it, I believe it.

When Fext flips town then you better be going after Mac, otherwise you're just outing yourself even more.

frankly I'm going to do my damndest to get you lynched before I ever go over

but that's neither here nor there

Lol, *need towncred now!* *bus!*

ehhhhhhhhhhh

How not? Fext was townreading LC pretty hard up until you outed that little tidbit that ties them together. Now when the heat is on, Fext all the sudden wants LC to be chopped?