The Syndicate

Millium did feel a bit flame-fanny while I was pushing Santygrass, but I am not sure how much faith I put in that.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:33 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:31 pm I'm not reading 600 pages when I have three assignments due next week. Either someone let me know the highlights or I'll act as though no posts have been made since my last catchup.
Vote Santygrass.
I am not voting this game (see page 1). I would be ok with a Santy exe.

Oh yeah... oh well.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:31 pm I'm not reading 600 pages when I have three assignments due next week. Either someone let me know the highlights or I'll act as though no posts have been made since my last catchup.

Vote Santygrass.

@Millium I recommend casting a vote sooner rather than later.

@Neon you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@arogame123 you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@Tilgarial you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@Belzy you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

@RondoDimBuckle you are on a vanity wagon. I recommend you either vy for that wagon or move.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:18 pm Im not implying that you are upset about it, mostly refering that your accusation is based on something NAI from me and seems like a form of butching about how I play the game, specially the last post with the 'Still looks bad if its true' . Like wtf how I am supposed to take that

Sorry if I can't take your word on what is or is not AI for you.

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:08 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:01 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:50 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm Like, OMG I dont treat people that Im not sure of their alignment as wolf, clearly TMI!!! is your read rn, and its super inaccurate because I try to work with people while interacting with them, so unless I have reasons to suspect them Im going to treat them the way you see as 'TMIing town' , which is a super bad read ln your part on me. But its nicer to just call it Skill Issue :hmmyes:
this is kinda a misrepresentation, ngl

the take is that your arguments and perspective on their slot is that of considering them town, but your actual stated reads aren't, which is a mild distinction to not treating people you're unsure of as wolf
When you interact with someone and try to 'align' or see their approach from where it comes from, is perceived most likely as town, which is what I am refering.

Like, most of my stuff is me saying why I could see it as towny, but why I am not married to that read. I didnt accuse them as wolf to try to work together with them. They took that as TMIing them Town . I look at that read and took it as Skill Issue which is what I am bitching about in tha post. Idk if its clear. If not, Skill Issue
that's a good answer, tbh

@Seanzie thoughts?
From what I can tell, their defense is that they weren't townreading me, just being hedgy on my slot. I don't think that is true - I feel like they were projecting my alignment through how they were interacting with me, but even if it were true, it still isn't exactly great.
I'd say it's more about them generally taking an innocent until proven(proven as in, finding reasons not to) otherwise stance - can prolly take a look at how they treat other slots here and see if there's something relevant there - to make working with others easier, that's not really hedging from my PoV

does that change anything for you?

I just don't think I see it in the same way you do.

One of my biggest strengths in mafia is that I can pick up on how people are feeling about things, rather than just trusting the words they type. They FELT like they were townreading me. Sometimes I'm wrong about these sorts of things, but not enough that I'm not willing to follow my nose.

Plus, I don't think that really fits with the ignore comment they made. If they thought about ignoring me based on my push on them, they can't really simultaneously say that they are treating me as town to make it easier to work with me. Now, granted, they said they wouldn't ignore me, but if what they expressed about wanting to ignore me is true, they are still at odds with their own approach.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:13 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:08 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:01 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:50 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm Like, OMG I dont treat people that Im not sure of their alignment as wolf, clearly TMI!!! is your read rn, and its super inaccurate because I try to work with people while interacting with them, so unless I have reasons to suspect them Im going to treat them the way you see as 'TMIing town' , which is a super bad read ln your part on me. But its nicer to just call it Skill Issue :hmmyes:
this is kinda a misrepresentation, ngl

the take is that your arguments and perspective on their slot is that of considering them town, but your actual stated reads aren't, which is a mild distinction to not treating people you're unsure of as wolf
When you interact with someone and try to 'align' or see their approach from where it comes from, is perceived most likely as town, which is what I am refering.

Like, most of my stuff is me saying why I could see it as towny, but why I am not married to that read. I didnt accuse them as wolf to try to work together with them. They took that as TMIing them Town . I look at that read and took it as Skill Issue which is what I am bitching about in tha post. Idk if its clear. If not, Skill Issue
that's a good answer, tbh

@Seanzie thoughts?
From what I can tell, their defense is that they weren't townreading me, just being hedgy on my slot. I don't think that is true - I feel like they were projecting my alignment through how they were interacting with me, but even if it were true, it still isn't exactly great.
Go and cry a river for how I play the game I guess, not going to change it. If I a not scumreading someone, I am going to approach them in a more friendly and seeminy towny manner , yes. I got accused of the same stupid thing in the misplay mafia here, wowee I was town there too.

If you cant read into someone playstyle when weighing reads, its full skill issue tbh

Not sure where the "cry a river" is coming from. I'm not upset at all about how you're playing. I just think you're a wolf and acting accordingly.

It probably would be a good idea for us to think about consolidating wagons soon. We're pretty spread out.

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 1:01 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:50 pm
Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:37 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm Like, OMG I dont treat people that Im not sure of their alignment as wolf, clearly TMI!!! is your read rn, and its super inaccurate because I try to work with people while interacting with them, so unless I have reasons to suspect them Im going to treat them the way you see as 'TMIing town' , which is a super bad read ln your part on me. But its nicer to just call it Skill Issue :hmmyes:
this is kinda a misrepresentation, ngl

the take is that your arguments and perspective on their slot is that of considering them town, but your actual stated reads aren't, which is a mild distinction to not treating people you're unsure of as wolf
When you interact with someone and try to 'align' or see their approach from where it comes from, is perceived most likely as town, which is what I am refering.

Like, most of my stuff is me saying why I could see it as towny, but why I am not married to that read. I didnt accuse them as wolf to try to work together with them. They took that as TMIing them Town . I look at that read and took it as Skill Issue which is what I am bitching about in tha post. Idk if its clear. If not, Skill Issue
that's a good answer, tbh

@Seanzie thoughts?

From what I can tell, their defense is that they weren't townreading me, just being hedgy on my slot. I don't think that is true - I feel like they were projecting my alignment through how they were interacting with me, but even if it were true, it still isn't exactly great.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:38 pm so seanzie, why am I a potential partner to santy but not millium who has the same take I have?

Not sure why I need to repeat myself, but....

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading
What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

These two things do not fit Millium.

Millium, as I said, is 3/4 the way to understanding my point. Millium seems to see that the way Santy was treating me was the way someone would treat someone they think is town, Millium just didn't connect that Santy is likely wolf based on the fact that Santy themselves aren't willing to say that they think I'm town, which sure. You're denying that Santy's posts towards me indicate that Santy likely thinks I'm town.

Also, I townread Millium independent of all of this, so the probability of them being wolf is lower in my mind.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:34 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:33 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading
What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.
I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice
I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.
seems like a skill issue

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading
What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.
I have him as null

I don't distance like this as a wolf and you should know because you've seen me wolf at least twice

I don't remember anything about your approach to your partners in either of those games.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:27 pm Like, OMG I dont treat people that Im not sure of their alignment as wolf, clearly TMI!!! is your read rn, and its super inaccurate because I try to work with people while interacting with them, so unless I have reasons to suspect them Im going to treat them the way you see as 'TMIing town' , which is a super bad read ln your part on me. But its nicer to just call it Skill Issue :hmmyes:

we'll see.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:25 pm apparently not agreeing with seanzie's take means you could be a partner to someone you're not v reading

What does your stated read have to do with anything? Do you not believe in "distancing"? I don't even know your read on Santy.

All I know is that 1.) the timing of your post moving away from Santy to Aro seemed a bit suspicious, and 2.) the fact that you won't admit that "natural" and "townie, but..." are positive takes on a player. Is it enough to write home about? no. But it is enough to make me curious.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:21 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:20 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 pm

his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there
Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.
I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia
I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.
wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game
Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.
literally all you have done is talk about reads on you or reply to people when your name comes up

I've discussed with you why i don't agree with your read, I've interacted with people over their reads multiple times

I'm ALSO catching up on the thread

do you see the difference yet?

All I see is an outed wolf waiting to be flipped and someone who could possibly be their partner, but I'm not super confident on that second part.

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:19 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:58 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:56 am
I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you
Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?
his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there
Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.
I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia
I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.
about as solid as you calling Santy a wolf for tming, for not being confident
while playing selfishly, and in a way that's pretty synonymous for being a wolf

this is like the first real case you wrote, and its built on too many assumptions in my opinion
otherwise I just have your general attitude, and unwillingness to play the game, which whether that is townie or wolfie, depends on the player reading it

when someone clearly is talking to you like you're a townie but won't call you a townie, they're usually a wolf. This is a read I've used with high accuracy in the past. Believe it or not, my job is done for today. I found us a wolf. Flip them, give me my pelt, and then you'll have found me.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:13 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:58 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:56 am
I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you
Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?
his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there
Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.
I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia
I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.
wolves tend to pop in when their names come up and not a lot other times. kind of like you this game

Wolves also tend to try to change the course of discussion when one of their teammates slips or is in hot water. Kind of like you this game.

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:15 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:39 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:19 am @Seanzie How do you feel about me?

Standing Emoji

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:20 am One part of me wants to just ignore Seanzie, but Im too much of a nice guy and totally dismiss their read on me would be rude methinks

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:27 am Well, I'm not. So Skill Issue there

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:46 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:40 am Like, I can explain or go into more detail my Neon tr , or why I vibed with spf/ilario takes but I feel like its kinda clear in my ISO?
Like, usually I can kinda understand why people scumread me, but I kinda feel that I have been obvtowning kinda hard this game. I have made my statements clear and see people give the lazy 'feels TMI' read when they have played with me before as town and know this is a shit take tbh.

Lik cmon @Lilypetal you said that I couldnt townread you off of 5 posts, when the reason I expressed I thought you were town is because two of my scumreads were voting you, when you were in a lhf position? Ffs if anyone seriously think thats a tmi type of read they have to check their skill issue right now

The read on Neon is kinda super clear too why I gave it. Like, a strong meld on the takes, and the way Neon preseted those takes (irt to aro and Tilga) to the thread was super obvtown? Like, not wanting to show 'I have these reads' , but rather implying them at the start and being lowkey about it in the midst of their fluff posting, its just super towny to me.

And like, I only have 2 games with Neon . The Misplay one and the Mash. @MacDougall was in both, so cmparing those two , I think its kinda obvious why I would see this style of posting more towny of Neon? Like, Im not calling Neon polarized because I clearly lack meta, but its and indicator + the melding + the approach in how they take the game irt their read was just super towny.

@staypositivefriend also should know that I mostly base my reads on how I think a player is approaching the game, and that usually leads me to giving confident reads, specially townreads that are usually right (not always. But thats why reassessing exists. ). Like spf you were spectating finale, and one lf the reasons specchat tunneled me was the confidence I had in against tje consensus reads that they were right (aka my Ephemera tow read, which was confident from early and was right. Wowee! ) .

So I think the 'zzanty with reads that feel like TMI' is Lazy and reeking Skill Issue tbh. And something a wolf can easily hop in to boost.

With the latter I am thinking of @arogame123 which mentioned me as possible mafia while doing no effort in trying to interact with me imo , and I was personally expecting more effort in their part in regards to my slot because we are both One Piece Fans tbhtbh
What is your read on me? How do you think I'm approaching the game?
The way you treated your vote / approach feels natural atm, but its not something I can do much atm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:56 am To reply more to the approach part.

Feel like an approach that doesnt care to *explain* much why they think some stuff? And a kinda bold but not loud one.

I mostly refer to this with being kinda lurking and be obvious about it, how you vote but not make much of a push, and it feels *natural* because it is in lin with how you just put the colored list and also dont care to give explanations about ut.

So looking at the string of posts I see how the approach adds up and feels good, but not so much of how many is alignment indicative.

Like, the way you said 'I would vote santy rn' without voting me felt pretty based. And then you ended voting me. That felt kinda towny to me, but at the same time could be a misread and that just being your playstyle. Because at the end you are voting towm there /shrug
Read these posts and tell me this person does not know I'm town.

They are bending over backwards to find a way to cast my approach as "natural" without ever considering for a second that I'm a wolf trying to make them wolfprey.

"part of me just wants to ignore Seanzie" aka they do not consider my push on them possibly coming from a wolf, instead they just want to dismiss an incorrect townie.

"skill issue there" they do not consider that I could be purposefully reading them mafia to get them to flip, they only consider that I might be a wrong townie with a skill issue.

The final post I quote, almost every sentence is "Seanzie is townie, but I don't want to say that out loud".

They clearly know I'm town, and the fact that they do not include me in their towreads makes it so this is TMI.
I dont get it, I can understand their handling of your slot
Most people would look at a slot like you and shallowly say, "This dude doesn't care, probably town", since its an approach that most wolves arent able to take
so you're the incorrect townie?
would u not dismiss an incorrect townie?
the likelihood of anyone coming into your iso and with a straight face locking you as town, isn't something I dont see, so them liking your approach, but not being to confidently calling it town, is fine

so no I dont find anything wrong with his wording around you.

You're like 3/4 the way there... except Santygrass sure won't ever admit that I'm the "incorrect townie". They are refusing to state a read on me one way or the other. Everything about their approach suggests they see me as a townie, but the fact that they won't state that read is what makes it clearly TMI. In the gamestate it is clear they want to keep me as an option, so actually adding me to their townreads or stating a townread on me would make that harder, so they don't, but they post as if they know I'm town.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:09 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:58 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:54 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:53 am I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?
What do you think of my case on Santygrass?
I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you
Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?
his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there
Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.
I'm bringing up aro because i'm back reading to catch up. I'm sorry you see that as suspicious but multiple conversations can happen at once during forum mafia

I don't really disagree, but it is something some wolves try to do, so I wanted to mention it.

About as solid of a read as your "wolfy popin" read on me.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 12:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:58 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:54 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:53 am I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?
What do you think of my case on Santygrass?
I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you
Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?
his assessments are neither so I'm not sure why you're seeing positives there

Describing my push as natural and "looks townie, but..." and again, never expressing anything that could suggest that they are critical of my push on them being an attack from a wolf. Dismissing my push as a skill issue rather than considering it as an attack.

Idk, it doesn't take too much effort on your part to see that their assessments of me are overly generous and do not contain any sort of doubt or worry about my alignment. If you can't see it, I don't know what to tell you, aside from the fact that I am wary about you trying to bring up Aro just as I'm pushing this hard on Santy. Maybe a coincidence, but now with you not being able to see the positive light Santy puts me in and the lack of concern from them about my alignment, it might not be coincidence.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:58 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:54 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:53 am I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?
What do you think of my case on Santygrass?
I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you
Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

When he tries to understand my push on him, does he look worried that I am a wolf trying to push him over? Is there anywhere where he is actually critical of my view on him in a way that suggests he is curious about my alignment?

Please point it out if so.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:56 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:54 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:53 am I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?
What do you think of my case on Santygrass?
I don't see what you're seeing. I think there are reasons to see santy as wolf but the progression on you is not one of them. I also think you're over-interpreting their posts because i don't see TMI there anywhere. he actually seems quite uncertain on you

Can you point to a single place where he actually says something I've done could be bad?

He never states a townread of me, but look at the direction of every one of his assessments. Are his assessments positive or negative of my alignment?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:53 am I think it's weird that aro has a null section and a separate POE section. shouldn't null be in the POE?

Also like why am I scum compared to others that had low posted at the time?

What do you think of my case on Santygrass?

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:47 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:39 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:19 am @Seanzie How do you feel about me?

Standing Emoji

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:20 am One part of me wants to just ignore Seanzie, but Im too much of a nice guy and totally dismiss their read on me would be rude methinks

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:27 am Well, I'm not. So Skill Issue there

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:46 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:40 am Like, I can explain or go into more detail my Neon tr , or why I vibed with spf/ilario takes but I feel like its kinda clear in my ISO?
Like, usually I can kinda understand why people scumread me, but I kinda feel that I have been obvtowning kinda hard this game. I have made my statements clear and see people give the lazy 'feels TMI' read when they have played with me before as town and know this is a shit take tbh.

Lik cmon @Lilypetal you said that I couldnt townread you off of 5 posts, when the reason I expressed I thought you were town is because two of my scumreads were voting you, when you were in a lhf position? Ffs if anyone seriously think thats a tmi type of read they have to check their skill issue right now

The read on Neon is kinda super clear too why I gave it. Like, a strong meld on the takes, and the way Neon preseted those takes (irt to aro and Tilga) to the thread was super obvtown? Like, not wanting to show 'I have these reads' , but rather implying them at the start and being lowkey about it in the midst of their fluff posting, its just super towny to me.

And like, I only have 2 games with Neon . The Misplay one and the Mash. @MacDougall was in both, so cmparing those two , I think its kinda obvious why I would see this style of posting more towny of Neon? Like, Im not calling Neon polarized because I clearly lack meta, but its and indicator + the melding + the approach in how they take the game irt their read was just super towny.

@staypositivefriend also should know that I mostly base my reads on how I think a player is approaching the game, and that usually leads me to giving confident reads, specially townreads that are usually right (not always. But thats why reassessing exists. ). Like spf you were spectating finale, and one lf the reasons specchat tunneled me was the confidence I had in against tje consensus reads that they were right (aka my Ephemera tow read, which was confident from early and was right. Wowee! ) .

So I think the 'zzanty with reads that feel like TMI' is Lazy and reeking Skill Issue tbh. And something a wolf can easily hop in to boost.

With the latter I am thinking of @arogame123 which mentioned me as possible mafia while doing no effort in trying to interact with me imo , and I was personally expecting more effort in their part in regards to my slot because we are both One Piece Fans tbhtbh
What is your read on me? How do you think I'm approaching the game?
The way you treated your vote / approach feels natural atm, but its not something I can do much atm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:56 am To reply more to the approach part.

Feel like an approach that doesnt care to *explain* much why they think some stuff? And a kinda bold but not loud one.

I mostly refer to this with being kinda lurking and be obvious about it, how you vote but not make much of a push, and it feels *natural* because it is in lin with how you just put the colored list and also dont care to give explanations about ut.

So looking at the string of posts I see how the approach adds up and feels good, but not so much of how many is alignment indicative.

Like, the way you said 'I would vote santy rn' without voting me felt pretty based. And then you ended voting me. That felt kinda towny to me, but at the same time could be a misread and that just being your playstyle. Because at the end you are voting towm there /shrug
Read these posts and tell me this person does not know I'm town.

They are bending over backwards to find a way to cast my approach as "natural" without ever considering for a second that I'm a wolf trying to make them wolfprey.

"part of me just wants to ignore Seanzie" aka they do not consider my push on them possibly coming from a wolf, instead they just want to dismiss an incorrect townie.

"skill issue there" they do not consider that I could be purposefully reading them mafia to get them to flip, they only consider that I might be a wrong townie with a skill issue.

The final post I quote, almost every sentence is "Seanzie is townie, but I don't want to say that out loud".

They clearly know I'm town, and the fact that they do not include me in their towreads makes it so this is TMI.

* Your approach being natural isnt alignment indicative, I thought I made tha clear. Like, its mostly a sign of your playstyle to me IMO

* I want to ignore you because rightfully so I assumed skill issue on your read on me and like, not worth bothering explaining. If you are a wolf its easy to fake the suspicion of how I approach things, if Im town same with skill issue on the read / approach not seeming like trying to understand me either way

* Having Skill Issue on a take its not town indicative when I say it. See? You dont know me and your reads and conclussions on me are wrong? Hence, Skill Issue. I domt care if you are a wolf trying to shade me or a town being incorrect, the basis of the read is wrong, hence Skill Issue lol.

* For the Final post. Skill Issue on that read

Sorry, I think you're having a skill issue.

Like whenever y'all start to see it, let me know. I'll be over here talking to my tailor about what the best use of this wolf pelt is going to be. I've lost some weight recently so my current belt no longer works well... maybe a nice wolf-leather belt?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:35 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:16 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:54 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:40 pm k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later
You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.
so why aren't you obvtowning this game?
Hello dya, I hope everything is going well with your baby since our last game together.

I think I've only played with a townSean, and I surely don't often see a townSean as an obvi townSean. What are you looking for in his posting you are not seeing here?
@Belzy

I expect to see Seanzie thinking in the thread and solving. I'm not seeing that. I expect seanzie to have pretty strong opinions about wolves. I'm not really seeing that, either

Hope you're doing well

Dya: "Seanzie isn't solving"

Seanzie: *nails a wolf next post*

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:25 am if the threads being snowed by anyone its probably in one of the uwu posters within neon,belsy,lily in order of least likely to be a wolf to most. it could also just be that theyre all town so i dont really have any intention thinking too hard on that rn

I think that list should be Belzy, lily, neon from least->most likely.

Tilgarial wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:26 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:22 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:18 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:17 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:13 am also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it
Yeh, I think Seanzie kinda blatantly is on thread and doesnt seem to care about replying to most stuff but its quick to reply if there is a post relating to them.

But... I dont really know if that is AI? like, it just seemed so blatant to me that I read it as a playstyle thingy
I don't really see him solving in thread which is unusual for him
This assesment is true @Seanzie ?

If so, why the difference now?
You already know I'm town, why question me?
You seem to be having a strong opinion about santy. wanna talk to me about that, or is there something I should keep an eye out when I get to their posts?

See my post like two after this.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:24 am Im like, making it evident that Im not leaning in one way or another in the slots I havent played before with, and you say I had TMI'd you as town?

Like wtf share what drugs are you consuming

Your WORDS say one thing, your takes on me say another.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:19 am @Seanzie How do you feel about me?

Standing Emoji

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:20 am One part of me wants to just ignore Seanzie, but Im too much of a nice guy and totally dismiss their read on me would be rude methinks

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:27 am Well, I'm not. So Skill Issue there

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:46 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:40 am Like, I can explain or go into more detail my Neon tr , or why I vibed with spf/ilario takes but I feel like its kinda clear in my ISO?
Like, usually I can kinda understand why people scumread me, but I kinda feel that I have been obvtowning kinda hard this game. I have made my statements clear and see people give the lazy 'feels TMI' read when they have played with me before as town and know this is a shit take tbh.

Lik cmon @Lilypetal you said that I couldnt townread you off of 5 posts, when the reason I expressed I thought you were town is because two of my scumreads were voting you, when you were in a lhf position? Ffs if anyone seriously think thats a tmi type of read they have to check their skill issue right now

The read on Neon is kinda super clear too why I gave it. Like, a strong meld on the takes, and the way Neon preseted those takes (irt to aro and Tilga) to the thread was super obvtown? Like, not wanting to show 'I have these reads' , but rather implying them at the start and being lowkey about it in the midst of their fluff posting, its just super towny to me.

And like, I only have 2 games with Neon . The Misplay one and the Mash. @MacDougall was in both, so cmparing those two , I think its kinda obvious why I would see this style of posting more towny of Neon? Like, Im not calling Neon polarized because I clearly lack meta, but its and indicator + the melding + the approach in how they take the game irt their read was just super towny.

@staypositivefriend also should know that I mostly base my reads on how I think a player is approaching the game, and that usually leads me to giving confident reads, specially townreads that are usually right (not always. But thats why reassessing exists. ). Like spf you were spectating finale, and one lf the reasons specchat tunneled me was the confidence I had in against tje consensus reads that they were right (aka my Ephemera tow read, which was confident from early and was right. Wowee! ) .

So I think the 'zzanty with reads that feel like TMI' is Lazy and reeking Skill Issue tbh. And something a wolf can easily hop in to boost.

With the latter I am thinking of @arogame123 which mentioned me as possible mafia while doing no effort in trying to interact with me imo , and I was personally expecting more effort in their part in regards to my slot because we are both One Piece Fans tbhtbh
What is your read on me? How do you think I'm approaching the game?
The way you treated your vote / approach feels natural atm, but its not something I can do much atm

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:56 am To reply more to the approach part.

Feel like an approach that doesnt care to *explain* much why they think some stuff? And a kinda bold but not loud one.

I mostly refer to this with being kinda lurking and be obvious about it, how you vote but not make much of a push, and it feels *natural* because it is in lin with how you just put the colored list and also dont care to give explanations about ut.

So looking at the string of posts I see how the approach adds up and feels good, but not so much of how many is alignment indicative.

Like, the way you said 'I would vote santy rn' without voting me felt pretty based. And then you ended voting me. That felt kinda towny to me, but at the same time could be a misread and that just being your playstyle. Because at the end you are voting towm there /shrug

Read these posts and tell me this person does not know I'm town.

They are bending over backwards to find a way to cast my approach as "natural" without ever considering for a second that I'm a wolf trying to make them wolfprey.

"part of me just wants to ignore Seanzie" aka they do not consider my push on them possibly coming from a wolf, instead they just want to dismiss an incorrect townie.

"skill issue there" they do not consider that I could be purposefully reading them mafia to get them to flip, they only consider that I might be a wrong townie with a skill issue.

The final post I quote, almost every sentence is "Seanzie is townie, but I don't want to say that out loud".

They clearly know I'm town, and the fact that they do not include me in their towreads makes it so this is TMI.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:18 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:17 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:13 am also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it
Yeh, I think Seanzie kinda blatantly is on thread and doesnt seem to care about replying to most stuff but its quick to reply if there is a post relating to them.

But... I dont really know if that is AI? like, it just seemed so blatant to me that I read it as a playstyle thingy
I don't really see him solving in thread which is unusual for him
This assesment is true @Seanzie ?

If so, why the difference now?

You already know I'm town, why question me?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:17 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:15 am
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 11:13 am also for the record, when i was on yesterday the only time anyone interacted with me was when i said seanzie wasn't being obvtown like normal and he popped in right at that moment to not like it
Yeh, I think Seanzie kinda blatantly is on thread and doesnt seem to care about replying to most stuff but its quick to reply if there is a post relating to them.

But... I dont really know if that is AI? like, it just seemed so blatant to me that I read it as a playstyle thingy
I don't really see him solving in thread which is unusual for him

Engaging with Santygrass about me is probably not your beat option. They've already hard-TMI'd me town, and can't really go back now.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:56 am To reply more to the approach part.

Feel like an approach that doesnt care to *explain* much why they think some stuff? And a kinda bold but not loud one.

I mostly refer to this with being kinda lurking and be obvious about it, how you vote but not make much of a push, and it feels *natural* because it is in lin with how you just put the colored list and also dont care to give explanations about ut.

So looking at the string of posts I see how the approach adds up and feels good, but not so much of how many is alignment indicative.

Like, the way you said 'I would vote santy rn' without voting me felt pretty based. And then you ended voting me. That felt kinda towny to me, but at the same time could be a misread and that just being your playstyle. Because at the end you are voting towm there /shrug

I do enjoy parking my vote on town.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:46 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:40 am Like, I can explain or go into more detail my Neon tr , or why I vibed with spf/ilario takes but I feel like its kinda clear in my ISO?
Like, usually I can kinda understand why people scumread me, but I kinda feel that I have been obvtowning kinda hard this game. I have made my statements clear and see people give the lazy 'feels TMI' read when they have played with me before as town and know this is a shit take tbh.

Lik cmon @Lilypetal you said that I couldnt townread you off of 5 posts, when the reason I expressed I thought you were town is because two of my scumreads were voting you, when you were in a lhf position? Ffs if anyone seriously think thats a tmi type of read they have to check their skill issue right now

The read on Neon is kinda super clear too why I gave it. Like, a strong meld on the takes, and the way Neon preseted those takes (irt to aro and Tilga) to the thread was super obvtown? Like, not wanting to show 'I have these reads' , but rather implying them at the start and being lowkey about it in the midst of their fluff posting, its just super towny to me.

And like, I only have 2 games with Neon . The Misplay one and the Mash. @MacDougall was in both, so cmparing those two , I think its kinda obvious why I would see this style of posting more towny of Neon? Like, Im not calling Neon polarized because I clearly lack meta, but its and indicator + the melding + the approach in how they take the game irt their read was just super towny.

@staypositivefriend also should know that I mostly base my reads on how I think a player is approaching the game, and that usually leads me to giving confident reads, specially townreads that are usually right (not always. But thats why reassessing exists. ). Like spf you were spectating finale, and one lf the reasons specchat tunneled me was the confidence I had in against tje consensus reads that they were right (aka my Ephemera tow read, which was confident from early and was right. Wowee! ) .

So I think the 'zzanty with reads that feel like TMI' is Lazy and reeking Skill Issue tbh. And something a wolf can easily hop in to boost.

With the latter I am thinking of @arogame123 which mentioned me as possible mafia while doing no effort in trying to interact with me imo , and I was personally expecting more effort in their part in regards to my slot because we are both One Piece Fans tbhtbh
What is your read on me? How do you think I'm approaching the game?
The way you treated your vote / approach feels natural atm, but its not something I can do much atm

Does it? I just voted you, and now I'm not explaining why you're at the bottom of my list.

You're treating me a whole lot like I'm town without saying so and while claiming to not actually assess my alignment.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:40 am Like, I can explain or go into more detail my Neon tr , or why I vibed with spf/ilario takes but I feel like its kinda clear in my ISO?
Like, usually I can kinda understand why people scumread me, but I kinda feel that I have been obvtowning kinda hard this game. I have made my statements clear and see people give the lazy 'feels TMI' read when they have played with me before as town and know this is a shit take tbh.

Lik cmon @Lilypetal you said that I couldnt townread you off of 5 posts, when the reason I expressed I thought you were town is because two of my scumreads were voting you, when you were in a lhf position? Ffs if anyone seriously think thats a tmi type of read they have to check their skill issue right now

The read on Neon is kinda super clear too why I gave it. Like, a strong meld on the takes, and the way Neon preseted those takes (irt to aro and Tilga) to the thread was super obvtown? Like, not wanting to show 'I have these reads' , but rather implying them at the start and being lowkey about it in the midst of their fluff posting, its just super towny to me.

And like, I only have 2 games with Neon . The Misplay one and the Mash. @MacDougall was in both, so cmparing those two , I think its kinda obvious why I would see this style of posting more towny of Neon? Like, Im not calling Neon polarized because I clearly lack meta, but its and indicator + the melding + the approach in how they take the game irt their read was just super towny.

@staypositivefriend also should know that I mostly base my reads on how I think a player is approaching the game, and that usually leads me to giving confident reads, specially townreads that are usually right (not always. But thats why reassessing exists. ). Like spf you were spectating finale, and one lf the reasons specchat tunneled me was the confidence I had in against tje consensus reads that they were right (aka my Ephemera tow read, which was confident from early and was right. Wowee! ) .

So I think the 'zzanty with reads that feel like TMI' is Lazy and reeking Skill Issue tbh. And something a wolf can easily hop in to boost.

With the latter I am thinking of @arogame123 which mentioned me as possible mafia while doing no effort in trying to interact with me imo , and I was personally expecting more effort in their part in regards to my slot because we are both One Piece Fans tbhtbh

What is your read on me? How do you think I'm approaching the game?

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:27 am Well, I'm not. So Skill Issue there

if you say so.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:22 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:20 am
santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:19 am @Seanzie How do you feel about me?

Standing Emoji
I think my feelings are quite clear based on my vote and your position on my list.
No, they arent to me.
Why you feel I'm mafia? What lead you there? That sort of stuff

Don't really have a good answer. I just read your posts and kinda thought you'd be a good chop.

santygrass wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:19 am @Seanzie How do you feel about me?

Standing Emoji

I think my feelings are quite clear based on my vote and your position on my list.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:08 am I'm sad people keep spelling Wiggin with an "e"

Blame the hosts. The names were copied and pasted from the first post.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 10:08 am I'm glad I'm pink.

pink is my third favorite color.

Little thought GTH sorting. No sorting was done within groups.

MacDougall
Belzy

Lilypetal

Allison

Millium
Neon

ilario

staypositivefriend

EnderWiggen

arogame123
Tilgarial

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

dyachei
Porscha
RondoDimBuckle

santygrass

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Chamomile

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 9:36 am Okay, I'm ready to ride or die with Mac.
What about with a Dwarf?

Sure, but no Enderwiggins.

Okay, I'm ready to ride or die with Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 5:02 am Alison - Personally I mind melded with her a fair bit in the early game which is usually a good sign but as I just said Nanook is scumreading her and Nanook tends to read her well so I am very unsure now.

arogame123 - Lol... seems like at different times of the day I either scumread or townread him. Right now I am of the opinion he is probably town just because I find it hard to believe that he'd be so widely suspected as mafia given when I've found him mafia rightly before he seems to have the town snowed generally. Anyway yeah whatever I townread him lil bit.

Belzy - Just, kinda think they were obvious town?

Cham - Not sure they have posted yet?

dyachei - POE. Lean wolf. Posts weren't great. Not gonna townread them for that.

ilario - Feel like he has not been his usual ilario townself. Hasn't been hostile enough in pushing his reads. Hasn't upset anyone. Hasn't been upset himself. Wolf.

Lily - Think they've hit their town notes now.

Ender - Kinda think their perspectives here are good but like ... actually giving a shit about how they are being read is a scumtell for Ender lol. Eh town.

Millium - Again, kinda townread them then didn't. I can find reasons to scumread so many of these slots it's really annoying. I didn't like the way he was dealing with Rondo. It felt like he thought Rondo was openwolfing and he was trying to distance but was confused about Rondo not catching flak haha. That's probably a dumb read tbh. I kinda have an ok wisp read usually and by and large i've townread him here.

Nanook - Null, lean Nanook. I feel like his alignment will be obvious by the end of the day this time.

Neon - Was playing squarely in their wolf meta and has shifted entirely. I'm 99.9% sure everyone on this website is still treating Neon like a shit wolf when Neon is actually probably one of the best wolves in this particular playerlist. The fact that Santy and Lily are townreading Neon is like, maybe okay for Lily cuz Lily townread Neon when Neon wasn't actually being uwuwolfy but Santy townread Neon when Neon was being straight up wolfy and I don't think Santy has near enough meta with wolf Neon to make that read. Maybe I'm just paranoid of Neon now but they did wolfy shit, then they stopped after I called them on it and for that I'm putting them in the POE still idgaf. If Neon is mafia SPF needs two in the chest one in the head.

Porscha - Like, I thought they were an outed wolf then they made a couple of okay sounding posts. Still POE. Have some doubts it's wolf Porscha though. Weird read but I kinda feel like if Porscha randed wolf in this game, this would have been the one where they'd snow everyone. Lowposting in this particular game feels more likely to come from a Porscha who doesn't particularly care how they are being read? Still POE tho.

Rondo - As I said I think he's town because I feel like he was actually trying to sort me, gave up, and is now fancy playing trying to reaction bait the universe.

Santy - Nearly every slot I have a scumread and a townread simultaneously it's so frustrating. Santy's reads were so so bogus and having wolfed with him, he is an audacious wolf that has a big range. But as town he is also such a mixed bag. Honestly have nfi. I guess wolf lean.

Seanzie - Hmmm. Haven't got enough to go on. I think he's probably town just cuz of the way the thread has dealt with him (ilario, alison in particular). Very very very light town lean.

SPF - ♍︎◆︎⧫︎ ⧫︎♒︎♏︎ ⧫︎□︎◻︎ □︎♐︎ ❍︎⍓︎ ♒︎♏︎♋︎♎︎ □︎♐︎♐︎ ♋︎■︎♎︎ ♓︎■︎ ◻︎□︎◆︎❒︎ ●︎♋︎❖︎♋︎ ◆︎⬥︎◆︎

Tilgarial - Gut read town for no real reason.

How have Illario and Alison treated me, and why would that make me town?

[VOTE: Santygrass] aubergine

santygrass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:11 pm I'd vote Santygrass.
What is stopping you?

I'd vote Santygrass.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 8:02 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:54 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:40 pm k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later
You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.
so why aren't you obvtowning this game?

I'm a multitasking joat, so I have to lay low so I don't get N1'd.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:40 pm k I didn't finish catch up gotta go see my parents

I feel like sean is intentionally mixing up his playstyle so I fear this is his attempt to not be polarized but don't know if he's more likely to do this as wolf or town

neon/wisp not w/w

this is the first game ever I think i've seen neon make serious posts day 1. doesn't feel scummy but I was absolutely snowed recently by them wolfing so i'll give tl for now but i'm inclined to re-eval later

You know I have one of the best wolf records on this site, right?

I'm good at obvtowning when I need to when I'm town, but that doesn't mean I'm polarized.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:16 pm @Alison is Seanzie leaning into a slank-on-purpose playstyle here because he was caught on page 1 and it retroactively justifies his listless reaction to something town Seanzie should have bit at?

Or did he have that reaction in the first place because he's being slank on purpose?

It was because I was caught on page 1.

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